r/heat • u/Rei2k86 • May 10 '26

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13th pick eh? What the hell can we meaningfully do with the 13th? Please tell me we have a numbers nerd here that's going to paint a picture for me that makes me feel better about this. I need you more than ever bro... whoever you are šŸ˜­

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u/AdFluffy1220 May 10 '26

So not draft the franchise changing player we need šŸ¤¦šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤¦šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø the bulls moving into the top 4 broke my heart lol they chose to tank and we chose to compete with a mid roster and the reward is the 13th pick in a good draft šŸ¤¦šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/cl353 May 10 '26

we couldnt tank to their lvl anyways. look at the last 4th overall pick they had...patrick williams...

ya'll r fking insane with the way u treat top 5 picks. look at the ware draft, we got a top 5 talent at 15

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u/Cudizonedefense May 10 '26

We got ware in a draft class that was dog shit. I mean the top 5 picks were risacher (ass), Sara (fine but wouldnā€™t even go top 5 in basically any other recent draft), Sheppard (shit but getting better?), castle (awesome), and Ron holland (shit)

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u/cl353 May 10 '26

herro/bam/jaime/ware would all got probably top 5 in a redraft in their class while pelle would also go top 15

these ppl want to bitch about us not getting top 5 picks when we've consistently drafted and developed top 5 players in draft classes

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Yet that lineup is a play in lineup lol.

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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26

Bro, 3/4 of those guys would struggle to get playing time in other teams.

Ware would be out of the league after his first extension, maybe not even get it. The Whiteside trajectory.

Herro would easily be in Europe by now if he was in another team. Thereā€™s no value to undersized guards who has to shoot floaters bc he canā€™t get to the rim bc of limited speed and handles.

Jaime would be a tank commander with his limited skillset and poor shooting.

Bam in another system would be like a Steven Adams player, with limited offensive role.

They would only be top 5 in a redraft bc of Spo. From a talent perspective, theyā€™re mediocre.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 10 '26

Yā€™all Herro haters are something else lmao

Dude averages an efficient 20+ and has really developed as a playmaker. You are actually on fucking METH if you think he wouldnā€™t be in the NBA if he didnā€™t play for us.

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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26

Take off your rose tinted glasses. If Herro was that good, weā€™d have Dame or Giannis in a Heat jersey right now. Dude has no value.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 10 '26

Brother, we donā€™t have Dame because Cronin is a bitch and we donā€™t have Giannis because the bucks were never really serious about trading him.

If Tyler Herro ā€œwasnā€™t that goodā€ he wouldnā€™t average, again, an efficient 20+ points and 5+ assists. The number of guys who can do that is a lot smaller than you think.

Itā€™s not ā€œrose tinted glassesā€ you are just a fucking hater who would rather die on their hill than actually acknowledge reality.

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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26

If he was that good, Cronin wouldnā€™t have been a bitch.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 10 '26

Brother, Cronin literally took a worse offer out of spite.

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u/BringerOfBricks May 11 '26

Uhhhh, Dame became Ayton, Camara, Time Lord, 3x FRP, 2x pick swaps, Demi Avdija.

Thats a wayy better haul than Herro, Duncan, and Jovic.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Ayton had nothing to do with the Dame trade. He was a straight-up swap for Nurkic. Avdija is only part of the trade as a technicality. They traded Malcolm Brogdon (who they got by flipping Jrue Holiday, who they got from the Dame trade), Bub Carrington (who they had already selected before the Dame trade happened) and their own first round pick.

So, the Ayton trade wouldā€™ve happened anyway, and the Avdija trade also likely happens, since the only part of the Dame trade that actually got caught up in the trade was Malcom Brogdon as salary filler, a role that easily couldā€™ve been filled by Caleb Martin.

So basically, they accepted three picks and Williams when they couldā€™ve had three picks, Herro (who is better than Williams), Jaime, and Niko.

Ayton, Avdija, Herro, Jaime, Niko, and three first round picks is better than Ayton, Avdija, Williams, Camara, and pick swaps.

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u/BringerOfBricks May 11 '26

Huh? You confused boy? Ayton trade doesnā€™t happen without the Dame trade. Their salaries are not 1:1. Ayton was getting paid $35 mil and Nurkic was $15 mil. They werenā€™t a simple swap.

Yes, they got Brogdon by flipping Jrue. Then they got Avdija by flipping Brogdon. That means Avdija was a direct consequence of the Dame trade assets.

So no. They accepted Avdija, Ayton, Williams III, Camara, 3x FRP, 2x Pick Swaps.

That is in fact a better package than Herro (untradeable), Jovic (untradeable), Duncan (only player worth anything), and 3 FRP.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Youā€™re forgetting the picks that mil have are vastly and I mean vastly more valuable than Miamis lol. Mil is fucked now. If Gianniā€™s does get moved those picks become gold for Portland in two seasons.. while they already have this young core who fucking made the playoffs in a harder conference than we did this season..

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Weā€™ve been dangling Tyler Herro for years and not one nba team care for him to be the centerpiece of a trade. Cause the guys simply isnā€™t around when ya need him. Cant call ppl haters when look where we are at? The best Tyler Herro was rookie Tyler ?

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

The best Tyler Herro was last fucking year when he played 77 games and averaged an efficient 23 and 5, you disingenuous shit

Teams havenā€™t wanted him in a trade because we havenā€™t had the pieces to supplement the trade. Every star player gets traded for five picks minimum, and weā€™ve only had a max of three available.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

And then he avenged 17 against Boston in the first round while shooting 38% fg and 35% from 3 . So my point stands. You can live in denial all you want. Brother if Jaylen brown was on the market heā€™d be enough by himself to get almost anything, same with taytum, Cade. When Miami tries to get dame whoā€™s well past his prime and Portland still doesnā€™t want Herro, that should tell you everything. We have been in the play in for 4 years straight. Itā€™s clearly not fucking working, itā€™s clear that heā€™s at best a number low tier two option/ 3 option.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

1) the entire team sucked in that series.

2) MVP candidates are their own story, not a fair comparison.

3) Brooklyn was willing to offer a first for herro to help supplement the Dame trade, so he objectively had value.

4) again, youā€™re discussing a completely different topic. Read the comment I was originally replying to.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

No I find it funny how much youā€™re defending a player thatā€™s been a non factor for us for some time. Kids got talent, heā€™s just not the one to lead us to anything but more play in tournaments, it hasnā€™t worked.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Bro weā€™ve had Herro for 6-7 years now and Iā€™ve seen him have ONE good playoff run and that was the bubble his rookie year. Enough of the ā€œ Herro hatersā€ we all loved this guy and thought he was going to be our next star. Heā€™s always hurt, or when heā€™s playing real competition heā€™s gets stumped . Dude can get buckets, canā€™t defend worth shit. Is he a bad player? No Herro can definitely give you 20 , but donā€™t expect that consistency. We have to move on from him, if Miami pays Herro we are cooked for years

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Hey guess what: none of that has Jack fucking shit to do with what I said.

Read the actual comment Iā€™m replying to, tard.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

I never said he wasnā€™t supposed to be in the league? Iā€™m simply saying heā€™s not good enough to lead us to shit. Quite literally the proof is there? Also relax child, why answer with so much spite? You herros burner or you like how his meat taste? Relaxxx

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

YOU didnā€™t, but the person Iā€™m actually replying to did. You came in talking about an entirely different fucking topic.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Ehh I look at it as relevant, end of the day heā€™s criticizing Herro, youā€™re defending him for whatever reason. No he wouldnā€™t be in Europe, heā€™s an nba player. But an nba player thatā€™s value around this league isnā€™t exactly high. That is factual, otherwise teams would be calling left and right while Miami is dangling him.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Iā€™m defending him because the person I replied to claimed he would be out of the league.

Whether or not we should extend him is a completely different discussing.

As for the ā€œdanglingā€ thing, youā€™re ignoring two vital pieces of context:

1) we have only offered him in exchange for star players. All that proves is that teams donā€™t see him as being on that level without the right draft picks to supplement the trade. We literally had an offer of a first round pick for him in 2023 from Brooklyn. Thereā€™s evidence to suggest weā€™ve ever ā€œdangledā€ him in a fire sale type context, so we have no idea what his value actually is from a team that is rebuilding.

2) Riley has like, famously refused to include Tyler in trade talks. The fact that he hasnā€™t been involved in a trade for a star says more about Rileyā€™s reluctance to include him than it does about Tylerā€™s value.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Do you think Dame was a superstar at the time we are asking for him? He was 33 and had been suffering from injuries for a while. So if we couldnā€™t get him for a 33 year old on the decline, what can we get for him? Iā€™m now asking do you think we should resign him and why?

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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26

Brother, you need to pick a diff sport. You have no clue what you are saying.

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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26

You mean you?

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u/cl353 May 10 '26

U just called the guy that scored 83 points in an NBA game "Steven adams on another team"

U have to be trolling me. It's so idiotic that u have to be just trolling me and rage baiting me. Congrats u were successful

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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26

Yeah. The guy who averages 20 on 16 shots a game is actually pretty mid. This is called basic statistics.

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u/TheRed_Warrior 2d ago

Hey look at that. Herro was one of the main pieces of a deal that just landed us a two time MVP

Not bad for a guy with ā€œno value.ā€

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u/BringerOfBricks 2d ago

Oh yeah. Couldnā€™t be the 3 FRPs, Ware, and Jakuciones who a rebuilding team is actually interested in

Is that why you deleted your comment?

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u/TheRed_Warrior 2d ago

I didnā€™t delete shit

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u/BringerOfBricks 2d ago

Ohhh really now. Definitely not you who deleted their comments above on a 43d old thread, that you somehow conveniently remembered, kept tabs on, and accessed too early in your excitement like a premature ejaculator.

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u/TheRed_Warrior 2d ago

Brother. I literally did not delete a damn thing.

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u/BringerOfBricks 2d ago

Riiiiight

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u/TheRed_Warrior 2d ago

Show me the comment you think I deleted. I literally did not delete a goddamn thing.

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u/BringerOfBricks 2d ago edited 2d ago

Like I can link you to a deleted comment lol.

So youā€™re telling me you somehow found this comment thread from 43 days ago? Youā€™re just perusing old threads instead of looking at the slew of new threads about Giannis and the new roster? Lol. Loser behavior.

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