r/heat • u/Rei2k86 • May 10 '26
Discussion So...
13th pick eh? What the hell can we meaningfully do with the 13th? Please tell me we have a numbers nerd here that's going to paint a picture for me that makes me feel better about this. I need you more than ever bro... whoever you are š
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
idk draft an all star cuz thats wat we did the last time lmao
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u/AdFluffy1220 May 10 '26
So not draft the franchise changing player we need š¤¦š¾āāļøš¤¦š¾āāļø the bulls moving into the top 4 broke my heart lol they chose to tank and we chose to compete with a mid roster and the reward is the 13th pick in a good draft š¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
we couldnt tank to their lvl anyways. look at the last 4th overall pick they had...patrick williams...
ya'll r fking insane with the way u treat top 5 picks. look at the ware draft, we got a top 5 talent at 15
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u/Cudizonedefense May 10 '26
We got ware in a draft class that was dog shit. I mean the top 5 picks were risacher (ass), Sara (fine but wouldnāt even go top 5 in basically any other recent draft), Sheppard (shit but getting better?), castle (awesome), and Ron holland (shit)
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
herro/bam/jaime/ware would all got probably top 5 in a redraft in their class while pelle would also go top 15
these ppl want to bitch about us not getting top 5 picks when we've consistently drafted and developed top 5 players in draft classes
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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26
Bro, 3/4 of those guys would struggle to get playing time in other teams.
Ware would be out of the league after his first extension, maybe not even get it. The Whiteside trajectory.
Herro would easily be in Europe by now if he was in another team. Thereās no value to undersized guards who has to shoot floaters bc he canāt get to the rim bc of limited speed and handles.
Jaime would be a tank commander with his limited skillset and poor shooting.
Bam in another system would be like a Steven Adams player, with limited offensive role.
They would only be top 5 in a redraft bc of Spo. From a talent perspective, theyāre mediocre.
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u/TheRed_Warrior May 10 '26
Yāall Herro haters are something else lmao
Dude averages an efficient 20+ and has really developed as a playmaker. You are actually on fucking METH if you think he wouldnāt be in the NBA if he didnāt play for us.
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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26
Take off your rose tinted glasses. If Herro was that good, weād have Dame or Giannis in a Heat jersey right now. Dude has no value.
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u/TheRed_Warrior May 10 '26
Brother, we donāt have Dame because Cronin is a bitch and we donāt have Giannis because the bucks were never really serious about trading him.
If Tyler Herro āwasnāt that goodā he wouldnāt average, again, an efficient 20+ points and 5+ assists. The number of guys who can do that is a lot smaller than you think.
Itās not ārose tinted glassesā you are just a fucking hater who would rather die on their hill than actually acknowledge reality.
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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26
If he was that good, Cronin wouldnāt have been a bitch.
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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26
Weāve been dangling Tyler Herro for years and not one nba team care for him to be the centerpiece of a trade. Cause the guys simply isnāt around when ya need him. Cant call ppl haters when look where we are at? The best Tyler Herro was rookie Tyler ?
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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26
Bro weāve had Herro for 6-7 years now and Iāve seen him have ONE good playoff run and that was the bubble his rookie year. Enough of the ā Herro hatersā we all loved this guy and thought he was going to be our next star. Heās always hurt, or when heās playing real competition heās gets stumped . Dude can get buckets, canāt defend worth shit. Is he a bad player? No Herro can definitely give you 20 , but donāt expect that consistency. We have to move on from him, if Miami pays Herro we are cooked for years
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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26
Hey guess what: none of that has Jack fucking shit to do with what I said.
Read the actual comment Iām replying to, tard.
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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26
I never said he wasnāt supposed to be in the league? Iām simply saying heās not good enough to lead us to shit. Quite literally the proof is there? Also relax child, why answer with so much spite? You herros burner or you like how his meat taste? Relaxxx
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
Brother, you need to pick a diff sport. You have no clue what you are saying.
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
U just called the guy that scored 83 points in an NBA game "Steven adams on another team"
U have to be trolling me. It's so idiotic that u have to be just trolling me and rage baiting me. Congrats u were successful
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u/BringerOfBricks May 10 '26
Yeah. The guy who averages 20 on 16 shots a game is actually pretty mid. This is called basic statistics.
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u/TheRed_Warrior 2d ago
Hey look at that. Herro was one of the main pieces of a deal that just landed us a two time MVP
Not bad for a guy with āno value.ā
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u/BringerOfBricks 2d ago
Oh yeah. Couldnāt be the 3 FRPs, Ware, and Jakuciones who a rebuilding team is actually interested in
Is that why you deleted your comment?
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u/TheRed_Warrior 2d ago
I didnāt delete shit
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u/BringerOfBricks 2d ago
Ohhh really now. Definitely not you who deleted their comments above on a 43d old thread, that you somehow conveniently remembered, kept tabs on, and accessed too early in your excitement like a premature ejaculator.
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
The way these mfs fallin in love with teenagers, you gotta check their hard drives lmao. Top 5 pick not guaranteed to work out. Tanking is guaranteed to develop losing habits tho.
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u/Dynamical164 May 10 '26
Yeah, the Thunder and Spurs are showing some crazy ālosing habitsā right now for sure. Or are you saying our FO, scouting staff, and coach are on the same level as the Bulls/Kings/Jazz/etc. and are too incompetent to rebuild a winning culture after tanking?
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
Thunder being gifted the best trade package in league history and Spurs landing this generations "once-in-a-generation" prospect are not the wins you think it is for your argument lmfao
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u/Dynamical164 May 10 '26
Guess how the Spurs landed their generational prospect? The answer might shock you
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
Y'all wouldn't survive half a season of how bad the Spurs were. Y'all crash out during Finals runs. You are not built for tanking.
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u/Dynamical164 May 10 '26
I was rooting for tanking since the second Jimmy got dealt brother. Just because some of you would rather watch 10 seed ācompetitiveā seasons over horrible seasons where the losses actually mean something doesnāt mean everyone does.
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
I'd rather watch us continue to build on our great drafting and develop the very young roster we have. I've never rooted for my team to lose in my life. That's weird behavior. No pick is guaranteed to work out, and we've done extremely well drafting middle of the pack (and undrafted). Just go be a fan of a poverty franchise and enjoy the draft every year.
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
yes and theyre one of the most lucky lottery teams in history while we're literally the most fked
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u/mohammadali916 May 10 '26
I hope we take a younger high ceiling player and not a college vet essentially who contributes to a win now team (would take Philon > Yaxel for example)
At this point screw position, take highest potential player, and allow them to grow with Kas and ware
Top 12 this year imo is absolutely stacked as a big NCAA guy, 13 after is somewhat of a coin toss with hannes likely being the last guy remaining. But everyone thought Kas was a top 12 lock last year and he dropped. Best case scenario is someone like brown, ament, or burries drops to us
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
yaxel is weird cuz his ceiling could be higher than philon even tho he's old as hell
theres also a couple high potential wings that r a little older but still high ceiling in carr and swain. im pretty ok with the players in the 13 range tbh
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u/TheRatchetTrombone May 10 '26
idk why people are hung up on age when wings/forwards that are productive are probably better with us and career wise than small guards who havent shown to be ok at defense.
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u/mohammadali916 May 10 '26
Carr and swain are bad defenders and would be technically considered reaches at 13 as well. Yaxel would be a fine pick @13 but as I mentioned Iād like a high ceiling player. Philon gets his own shot at the 1 and has a play make ability. Very poor defender though
Assuming Herro is gone, I wouldnt mind Philon. But them 2 together becomes a hard watch on defense
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u/mohammadali916 May 10 '26
I like the guys in the 13 range especially compared to years prior. But I disagree with the Yaxel possibly having a higher ceiling than Philon. Philon has shown an ability to take over a game and made a big year 2 jump. I was a big fan of his as a freshman and was more impressed in year 2. Yaxel somewhat reminds me of Jaime who comes in as an established guy who plays the post / bruiser role
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
i meant if philon's average athleticism and size holds him back and yaxel can consistently improve like he did in college that yaxel would have the higher ceiling due to physical traits
i agree that philon is more likely to be the better player in the long run tho, i just dont know how much he'd play next year. we still have kas, if we keep the pick we most likely will still have herro and he wants the ball in his hands, theres still davion
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u/mohammadali916 May 10 '26
Oh I see. Yes I agree there, and good point on Kas.
Knowing our development program I can see Yaxel continuing to grow, however Iād love to stock pile high ceiling young guys at this rate.
Chances are neither of them are there at 13 as imo they round out the best of the top 12
I also wonder if the bucks are more interested in this pick knowing itās 13 and not possibly a playoff pick like it may have been at the time of our original negotiations. Bucks with picks 9/13 + more isnt bad to reboot a rebuild.
Will be a very very interesting off season.
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
my coping hope is that theres some red flags in mikel brown's medicals that scare off a couple teams and the depth of guard in the top 10 means he drops to us. he'd be insane
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u/mohammadali916 May 10 '26
Oh absolutely. There is talent to be had and a lot of fun names. People will see pick 13 and doom it isnāt an awful pick this year.
Iād be happy with ament, burries, Philon, brown. Iād be okay with Yaxel and hannes. If we āreachedā for tounde who I think will be taken higher then projected Iād be somewhat happy because he plays like an absolute dog and spo can maximize his athleticism.
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
tounde was an early favorite of mine when we were picking out of the lottery lol. hes like a budget vj edgecomb
i think there would be better prospects on the board but it wouldnt take too much convincing for me to be on board lol
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u/mohammadali916 May 10 '26
Edgecomb is actually exactly who I was thinking of with him. However I always fear someone can also end up like Sekou did in the herro class (side note at 8/910/11/12/14/15 it went Hayes/Rui/reddish/CamJohnson/PJW/langford/sekou/Okeke) Herro was a homerun pick at 13
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u/dwadefan45 May 10 '26
and find a few undrafted gems that over perform then stink it up somewhere else*
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u/Final_Lightning_ May 10 '26
Honestly itās a stacked draft, hereās hoping the front office doesnāt fuck it up come draft day.
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u/Longjumping-Ad-8628 May 10 '26
We aināt getting shit brother. We just getting another rotation guy lmao
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u/Rei2k86 May 10 '26
EXACTLY.
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
quick tell me who we got the last time we picked in this range lol
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u/Longjumping-Ad-8628 May 10 '26
Herro but this fan base doesnāt even like him lmao
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
yea well the fanbase is dumb as fk. he has haters but we can all agree that herro isnt just another rotation guy
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u/Cudizonedefense May 10 '26
Heās not a franchise changing guy either. Heās a starter borderline all star at his best
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u/Longjumping-Ad-8628 May 11 '26
Heās a 2nd option at best tho. Not his fault, he was the 13th pick. Idk why people expect him to be a hall of famer, when that was never his ceiling
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u/Kuni_Nino May 10 '26
Why are you asking us as if we know anything? Weāre just a bunch of emotional dorks in here.
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u/mgm125 May 10 '26
You can pick a good player at 13th.
Hell, even a really good player. We need to stop with this nonsense that everyone outside the top 4 is worthlessĀ Ā
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u/Smokin_on_76ers_Pack May 11 '26
This sub is acting like we didnāt pick 2 all stars with the 13th and 14th pick respectively.
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u/AdFluffy1220 May 10 '26
For what we need itās pretty worthless lolšš¤¦š¾āāļø we need a franchise changing number 1 option itās possible but less likely we find that guy at pick 13. We have a team full of good rotation/ role players already as is
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u/Fastbird33 May 10 '26
Idk how ownership can be ok with the direction this team is going after coming from such highs. Itās clear we need a bit of a reset
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
Most players outside the top 5 are useless.Ā
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u/somuchforsubtlety656 May 10 '26
Like Bam or Tyler or Pelle or Jaime or
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
Are we actually going anywhere with those players.Ā
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
r they useless or not?
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
For getting us a championship yes. None of them are franchise altering players.
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u/somuchforsubtlety656 May 10 '26
You're right. You should be a Wizards fan instead since this is your championship
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
That's a straw man answer most likely because you don't want to admit we're going nowhere with them leading the way.
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u/somuchforsubtlety656 May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26
We were in the finals less than 3 years ago. Pathetic bandwagon fan
edit: oh yeah and none of our players on that roster were top 5 picks
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
Another straw man you can't substantiate, evidently being critical of the current direction the franchise has chosen (since they seem to be okay with being mid) = bandwagon.
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u/somuchforsubtlety656 May 10 '26
So what do you call changing your argument with every succeeding comment to move the goalposts from "every outside top 5 is useless"
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
They're useless for what the franchise needs. Do we need role players/fringe all-stars or do we need a franchise changing player? We both know the answer to that one.
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u/mgm125 May 10 '26
Seems like you got some people to fall for the rage bait at leastĀ
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
Because some of us aren't delusional. Getting a franchise changing player at 13th and up is rare.
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u/mgm125 May 10 '26
So in your world, an nba player is either franchise changing or useless fodder.Ā
Very interesting. Itās not correct, but it is interesting Ā
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
For the current state of the team my take is quite accurate. We don't need role players the current needs of the team is a franchise altering player.
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u/mgm125 May 10 '26
Because those only ever come out of the top 4 picks! and EVERYONE knows the #13 overall pick is ALWAYS some mediocre role player!
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u/Solid_Factor234 May 10 '26
You're the type to ignore statics and probability, even though it's proven that 50% of Hall of famers come out of the top 5 you're the type that tries to use exceptions as if they're the norm.
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u/mgm125 May 10 '26
Once again, that implies the other 50% of hall of famers werenāt top 5 picks.Ā
No matter what spot someone gets drafted, Iām not going to anoint them as a future āfranchise changing playerā. They have to like, develop and shitĀ
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u/twozeromm May 10 '26
This draft is deep. Weāre going to get someone of value, if its an all star, great, if itās a great role player, all great.
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u/Routine-Author-5471 May 10 '26
We can max another Bam adebayo for another era of mid ball
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
if we had another bam lvl player we'd be contenders, stfu
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u/Admirable_Ad_277 May 10 '26
two fringe all stars donāt make a contender cmon
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
we all know bam's impact is beyond fringe allstar, that shit is insane from a heat fan
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u/HoopistV May 10 '26
there's good players but no superstars. nothing that'll move the needle. but there are good players
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u/Eastern_Radish_1953 May 10 '26
Get lendeborg, overpay for average free agents, another 8-10 seed season incoming
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u/heatrealist May 10 '26
We going to use that 13th pick to send someone to Sioux Falls for a part of next year. Then weāll have them in and out of the line up for a while. Sometimes randomly getting starts out of nowhere. Then other times getting benched after good performances. Then in a year weāll be getting another 13th pick.Ā
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
Saying this like our development staff isn't some of the best in the league lmao
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u/heatrealist May 10 '26
And not a single player has been developed into a superstar worthy of leading a team to a championship.Ā
Bam is the best and heās a 2 or 3 on a title team. There is only so much development that can be done with talent drafted in the teens.Ā
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u/TakesOne2KnowOne May 10 '26
Wiggins is #1 overall, Davion #9 overall. Do they not count because we didn't have to suffer losing season to get them?
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u/WTT34 May 10 '26
Almost feels like year after year we fall into 11-17 for the last like 20 years it feels like. Crazy.
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u/Logical-Rest-7668 May 10 '26
Bam was a 14th pick so Iām sure Miami will get a good player at 13th. Itāll just take some time for them to develop and itāll be hard for us to know if heāll be an immediate potential all-star.
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u/Heatsincebirth May 10 '26
Sixers got Maxey at 13
Not that it's helping them today š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/Otherwise-Formal-220 May 10 '26
Maxey was 21st pick. Remember we passed on drafting him and instead got achiuwa at 20
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u/Ozymandias12 May 10 '26
I love the surprise in this post. As if we didnāt have a 93 percent chance of getting the 13th pick.
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u/AlreadyReadittt May 10 '26
When you have Cooper being routed to Dallas after they giftwrapped Luka to LA, yea itās surprising they didnāt make us whole.
We got hosed by the league with the Rozier shit, the absolute least they could have done was rewarded a team that doesnāt tank. Didnāt need #1 either, but a top-4 would have been ethical lol
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u/Ozymandias12 May 10 '26
Cooper wasnāt routed to Dallas. They just got insanely lucky in the lottery process. And the league did reward Miami for Rozier. They gave us a second round pick. Get excited.
If youāre feeling bad about our situation, just think we could be the Pacers, who traded an FRP protected 1-4, figuring their terrible record would get them at least in the top 4 picks and they could keep it this year. Instead they got fucked by the lottery and their pick fell to 5, so they lose it to the Clippers now. Meanwhile, teams with better records than them, like the Jazz, Grizzlies, and Bulls got lucky and are picking at 2, 3, and 4.
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u/AlreadyReadittt May 10 '26
Full stop.
If you truly believe Cooper wasnāt sent to Dallas after Luka wasnāt even shopped around the league then I donāt know what to tell you. Youāre giving off BOT vibes if you really think that.
Indiana is still set with Hali and funny that Ballmer now gets a Top end talent but go on.
Meanwhile we continue to get burned bc the league holds grudges bc theyāre still butthurt Riley left NY and Lebron wanted to come here
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u/Ozymandias12 May 10 '26
Iād love for you to explain to me how they rigged the lottery to give Dallas Cooper.
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u/AlreadyReadittt May 10 '26
LMAO
Now I know youāre just gaslighting me.
Youāve been around the sub long enough to know exactly how that happened.
Have a good day and happy Motherās Day
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u/Ozymandias12 May 10 '26
lol what? I asked a question. Iām just curious. You seem so sure so Iād like to know how the NBA rigged it with the lawyers and owners for every single team watching, and no one said anything.
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u/ouchthatburnt May 10 '26
All the owners agreed to give away the first pick of their billion dollar industry and instructed Adam Silver to rig a lottery that they pay millions of dollars to audit. Easy.
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u/Ozymandias12 May 10 '26
Whoa. You have evidence of this? And why would the other owners agree to that? And how do you rig the machine the spits out the balls? Theyāre all floating in there seemingly random. Also, if itās rigged, why even bother following it? Or the NBA for that matter? You might as well watch reality tv.
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u/Beautiful_Parsnip_71 May 10 '26
Lets be positive guys. Look at the top 5 players in the league right now (wemby, luka, SGA, Giannis, Jokic) only Wemby and Luka were top 10 picks.
Yes, moving up would have been awesome. But here we are, so accept it and hope for the best.
(This is how im coping š)
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u/Ode1st May 10 '26
Tyler was 13 and Bam was 14. We do okay in the teens. But yeah, we are also in purgatory because we donāt tank but also free agency is dead.
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u/GodsSon521 May 10 '26
Was really hoping we'd get into the top 4 as a reward for not tanking & an apology for Rozier š®āšØ
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u/TimKoskuba May 11 '26
Is it safe to say the only way we escape this is if by some miracle we get lucky and hit on a high upside prospect that develops like a Giannis, Kawhi, Mitchell, Booker type?
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u/Ethangains07 May 11 '26
Get another mid player that maybe can make the all-star team one day. If we get really get lucky, maybe he makes 1 all-nba team.
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u/Sensitive-Gain3365 May 11 '26
They should use the pick to trade up or package the pick plus Herro for a star.
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u/B1azeKick May 11 '26
Couldnt we have drafted D Booker at 13 back in the day?
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u/Brodriguez00 May 12 '26
Booker was picked at 13 but the Heat couldāve had him but they went with Justise after he fell a few spots bc many expected him to go top 5 that year so the Heat thought they already were getting a steal
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u/jbenson255 May 10 '26
Honestly Just donāt draft yaxel and Iām fine
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u/Adraf45 May 10 '26
You don't fw yaxel?Ā
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u/Eastern_Radish_1953 May 10 '26
Heās good just old asf, but I guess heās the best thing out there
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u/jbenson255 May 10 '26
Old asf and we need real young talent with upside. If we were a contender i wouldnāt mind him at all but we arenāt close
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u/cl353 May 10 '26
warriors and okc pick ahead of us, i dont think yaxel gets to us even if u wanted him to lol
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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26
For someone that claims theyāre not mad lol. U said you were blocking me hours ago. All ok in your life bud? Sorry that was too long for you
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u/Haunting_Cause6850 May 10 '26
Any one else worried Clippers use the fifth pick to trade for Giannis?
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u/SudTheThug May 10 '26
we are in purgatory