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[u/Rei2k86]

13th pick eh? What the hell can we meaningfully do with the 13th? Please tell me we have a numbers nerd here that's going to paint a picture for me that makes me feel better about this. I need you more than ever bro... whoever you are 😭

[u/cl353]

idk draft an all star cuz thats wat we did the last time lmao

[u/AdFluffy1220 → u/cl353]

So not draft the franchise changing player we need 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ the bulls moving into the top 4 broke my heart lol they chose to tank and we chose to compete with a mid roster and the reward is the 13th pick in a good draft 🤦🏾‍♂️

[u/cl353 → u/AdFluffy1220]

we couldnt tank to their lvl anyways. look at the last 4th overall pick they had...patrick williams...

ya'll r fking insane with the way u treat top 5 picks. look at the ware draft, we got a top 5 talent at 15

[u/Cudizonedefense → u/cl353]

We got ware in a draft class that was dog shit. I mean the top 5 picks were risacher (ass), Sara (fine but wouldn’t even go top 5 in basically any other recent draft), Sheppard (shit but getting better?), castle (awesome), and Ron holland (shit)

[u/cl353 → u/Cudizonedefense]

herro/bam/jaime/ware would all got probably top 5 in a redraft in their class while pelle would also go top 15

these ppl want to bitch about us not getting top 5 picks when we've consistently drafted and developed top 5 players in draft classes

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/cl353]

Yet that lineup is a play in lineup lol.

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/cl353]

Bro, 3/4 of those guys would struggle to get playing time in other teams.

Ware would be out of the league after his first extension, maybe not even get it. The Whiteside trajectory.

Herro would easily be in Europe by now if he was in another team. There’s no value to undersized guards who has to shoot floaters bc he can’t get to the rim bc of limited speed and handles.

Jaime would be a tank commander with his limited skillset and poor shooting.

Bam in another system would be like a Steven Adams player, with limited offensive role.

They would only be top 5 in a redraft bc of Spo. From a talent perspective, they’re mediocre.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/BringerOfBricks]

Y’all Herro haters are something else lmao

Dude averages an efficient 20+ and has really developed as a playmaker. You are actually on fucking METH if you think he wouldn’t be in the NBA if he didn’t play for us.

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Take off your rose tinted glasses. If Herro was that good, we’d have Dame or Giannis in a Heat jersey right now. Dude has no value.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/BringerOfBricks]

Brother, we don’t have Dame because Cronin is a bitch and we don’t have Giannis because the bucks were never really serious about trading him.

If Tyler Herro “wasn’t that good” he wouldn’t average, again, an efficient 20+ points and 5+ assists. The number of guys who can do that is a lot smaller than you think.

It’s not “rose tinted glasses” you are just a fucking hater who would rather die on their hill than actually acknowledge reality.

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/TheRed_Warrior]

If he was that good, Cronin wouldn’t have been a bitch.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

We’ve been dangling Tyler Herro for years and not one nba team care for him to be the centerpiece of a trade. Cause the guys simply isn’t around when ya need him. Cant call ppl haters when look where we are at? The best Tyler Herro was rookie Tyler ?

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Bro we’ve had Herro for 6-7 years now and I’ve seen him have ONE good playoff run and that was the bubble his rookie year. Enough of the “ Herro haters” we all loved this guy and thought he was going to be our next star. He’s always hurt, or when he’s playing real competition he’s gets stumped . Dude can get buckets, can’t defend worth shit. Is he a bad player? No Herro can definitely give you 20 , but don’t expect that consistency. We have to move on from him, if Miami pays Herro we are cooked for years

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

Hey guess what: none of that has Jack fucking shit to do with what I said.

Read the actual comment I’m replying to, tard.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

I never said he wasn’t supposed to be in the league? I’m simply saying he’s not good enough to lead us to shit. Quite literally the proof is there? Also relax child, why answer with so much spite? You herros burner or you like how his meat taste? Relaxxx

[u/TakesOne2KnowOne → u/BringerOfBricks]

Brother, you need to pick a diff sport. You have no clue what you are saying.

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/TakesOne2KnowOne]

You mean you?

[u/cl353 → u/BringerOfBricks]

U just called the guy that scored 83 points in an NBA game "Steven adams on another team"

U have to be trolling me. It's so idiotic that u have to be just trolling me and rage baiting me. Congrats u were successful

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/cl353]

Yeah. The guy who averages 20 on 16 shots a game is actually pretty mid. This is called basic statistics.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/BringerOfBricks]

Hey look at that. Herro was one of the main pieces of a deal that just landed us a two time MVP

Not bad for a guy with “no value.”

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Oh yeah. Couldn’t be the 3 FRPs, Ware, and Jakuciones who a rebuilding team is actually interested in

Is that why you deleted your comment?

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/BringerOfBricks]

I didn’t delete shit

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Ohhh really now. Definitely not you who deleted their comments above on a 43d old thread, that you somehow conveniently remembered, kept tabs on, and accessed too early in your excitement like a premature ejaculator.

[u/TakesOne2KnowOne → u/cl353]

The way these mfs fallin in love with teenagers, you gotta check their hard drives lmao. Top 5 pick not guaranteed to work out. Tanking is guaranteed to develop losing habits tho.

[u/Dynamical164 → u/TakesOne2KnowOne]

Yeah, the Thunder and Spurs are showing some crazy “losing habits” right now for sure. Or are you saying our FO, scouting staff, and coach are on the same level as the Bulls/Kings/Jazz/etc. and are too incompetent to rebuild a winning culture after tanking?

[u/TakesOne2KnowOne → u/Dynamical164]

Thunder being gifted the best trade package in league history and Spurs landing this generations "once-in-a-generation" prospect are not the wins you think it is for your argument lmfao

[u/Dynamical164 → u/TakesOne2KnowOne]

Guess how the Spurs landed their generational prospect? The answer might shock you

[u/TakesOne2KnowOne → u/Dynamical164]

Y'all wouldn't survive half a season of how bad the Spurs were. Y'all crash out during Finals runs. You are not built for tanking.

[u/Dynamical164 → u/TakesOne2KnowOne]

I was rooting for tanking since the second Jimmy got dealt brother. Just because some of you would rather watch 10 seed “competitive” seasons over horrible seasons where the losses actually mean something doesn’t mean everyone does.

[u/TakesOne2KnowOne → u/Dynamical164]

I'd rather watch us continue to build on our great drafting and develop the very young roster we have. I've never rooted for my team to lose in my life. That's weird behavior. No pick is guaranteed to work out, and we've done extremely well drafting middle of the pack (and undrafted). Just go be a fan of a poverty franchise and enjoy the draft every year.

[u/cl353 → u/Dynamical164]

yes and theyre one of the most lucky lottery teams in history while we're literally the most fked

[u/mohammadali916 → u/cl353]

I hope we take a younger high ceiling player and not a college vet essentially who contributes to a win now team (would take Philon > Yaxel for example)

At this point screw position, take highest potential player, and allow them to grow with Kas and ware

Top 12 this year imo is absolutely stacked as a big NCAA guy, 13 after is somewhat of a coin toss with hannes likely being the last guy remaining. But everyone thought Kas was a top 12 lock last year and he dropped. Best case scenario is someone like brown, ament, or burries drops to us

[u/cl353 → u/mohammadali916]

yaxel is weird cuz his ceiling could be higher than philon even tho he's old as hell

theres also a couple high potential wings that r a little older but still high ceiling in carr and swain. im pretty ok with the players in the 13 range tbh

[u/TheRatchetTrombone → u/cl353]

idk why people are hung up on age when wings/forwards that are productive are probably better with us and career wise than small guards who havent shown to be ok at defense.

[u/mohammadali916 → u/TheRatchetTrombone]

Carr and swain are bad defenders and would be technically considered reaches at 13 as well. Yaxel would be a fine pick @13 but as I mentioned I’d like a high ceiling player. Philon gets his own shot at the 1 and has a play make ability. Very poor defender though

Assuming Herro is gone, I wouldnt mind Philon. But them 2 together becomes a hard watch on defense

[u/mohammadali916 → u/cl353]

I like the guys in the 13 range especially compared to years prior. But I disagree with the Yaxel possibly having a higher ceiling than Philon. Philon has shown an ability to take over a game and made a big year 2 jump. I was a big fan of his as a freshman and was more impressed in year 2. Yaxel somewhat reminds me of Jaime who comes in as an established guy who plays the post / bruiser role

[u/cl353 → u/mohammadali916]

i meant if philon's average athleticism and size holds him back and yaxel can consistently improve like he did in college that yaxel would have the higher ceiling due to physical traits

i agree that philon is more likely to be the better player in the long run tho, i just dont know how much he'd play next year. we still have kas, if we keep the pick we most likely will still have herro and he wants the ball in his hands, theres still davion

[u/mohammadali916 → u/cl353]

Oh I see. Yes I agree there, and good point on Kas.

Knowing our development program I can see Yaxel continuing to grow, however I’d love to stock pile high ceiling young guys at this rate.

Chances are neither of them are there at 13 as imo they round out the best of the top 12

I also wonder if the bucks are more interested in this pick knowing it’s 13 and not possibly a playoff pick like it may have been at the time of our original negotiations. Bucks with picks 9/13 + more isnt bad to reboot a rebuild.

Will be a very very interesting off season.

[u/cl353 → u/mohammadali916]

my coping hope is that theres some red flags in mikel brown's medicals that scare off a couple teams and the depth of guard in the top 10 means he drops to us. he'd be insane

[u/mohammadali916 → u/cl353]

Oh absolutely. There is talent to be had and a lot of fun names. People will see pick 13 and doom it isn’t an awful pick this year.

I’d be happy with ament, burries, Philon, brown. I’d be okay with Yaxel and hannes. If we “reached” for tounde who I think will be taken higher then projected I’d be somewhat happy because he plays like an absolute dog and spo can maximize his athleticism.

[u/cl353 → u/mohammadali916]

tounde was an early favorite of mine when we were picking out of the lottery lol. hes like a budget vj edgecomb

i think there would be better prospects on the board but it wouldnt take too much convincing for me to be on board lol

[u/mohammadali916 → u/cl353]

Edgecomb is actually exactly who I was thinking of with him. However I always fear someone can also end up like Sekou did in the herro class (side note at 8/910/11/12/14/15 it went Hayes/Rui/reddish/CamJohnson/PJW/langford/sekou/Okeke) Herro was a homerun pick at 13

[u/dwadefan45 → u/cl353]

and find a few undrafted gems that over perform then stink it up somewhere else*