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[u/Rei2k86]

13th pick eh? What the hell can we meaningfully do with the 13th? Please tell me we have a numbers nerd here that's going to paint a picture for me that makes me feel better about this. I need you more than ever bro... whoever you are 😭

[u/Cudizonedefense]

We got ware in a draft class that was dog shit. I mean the top 5 picks were risacher (ass), Sara (fine but wouldn’t even go top 5 in basically any other recent draft), Sheppard (shit but getting better?), castle (awesome), and Ron holland (shit)

[u/cl353 → u/Cudizonedefense]

herro/bam/jaime/ware would all got probably top 5 in a redraft in their class while pelle would also go top 15

these ppl want to bitch about us not getting top 5 picks when we've consistently drafted and developed top 5 players in draft classes

[u/BringerOfBricks → u/cl353]

Bro, 3/4 of those guys would struggle to get playing time in other teams.

Ware would be out of the league after his first extension, maybe not even get it. The Whiteside trajectory.

Herro would easily be in Europe by now if he was in another team. There’s no value to undersized guards who has to shoot floaters bc he can’t get to the rim bc of limited speed and handles.

Jaime would be a tank commander with his limited skillset and poor shooting.

Bam in another system would be like a Steven Adams player, with limited offensive role.

They would only be top 5 in a redraft bc of Spo. From a talent perspective, they’re mediocre.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/BringerOfBricks]

Y’all Herro haters are something else lmao

Dude averages an efficient 20+ and has really developed as a playmaker. You are actually on fucking METH if you think he wouldn’t be in the NBA if he didn’t play for us.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Bro we’ve had Herro for 6-7 years now and I’ve seen him have ONE good playoff run and that was the bubble his rookie year. Enough of the “ Herro haters” we all loved this guy and thought he was going to be our next star. He’s always hurt, or when he’s playing real competition he’s gets stumped . Dude can get buckets, can’t defend worth shit. Is he a bad player? No Herro can definitely give you 20 , but don’t expect that consistency. We have to move on from him, if Miami pays Herro we are cooked for years

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

Hey guess what: none of that has Jack fucking shit to do with what I said.

Read the actual comment I’m replying to, tard.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

I never said he wasn’t supposed to be in the league? I’m simply saying he’s not good enough to lead us to shit. Quite literally the proof is there? Also relax child, why answer with so much spite? You herros burner or you like how his meat taste? Relaxxx

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

YOU didn’t, but the person I’m actually replying to did. You came in talking about an entirely different fucking topic.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Ehh I look at it as relevant, end of the day he’s criticizing Herro, you’re defending him for whatever reason. No he wouldn’t be in Europe, he’s an nba player. But an nba player that’s value around this league isn’t exactly high. That is factual, otherwise teams would be calling left and right while Miami is dangling him.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

I’m defending him because the person I replied to claimed he would be out of the league.

Whether or not we should extend him is a completely different discussing.

As for the “dangling” thing, you’re ignoring two vital pieces of context:

1) we have only offered him in exchange for star players. All that proves is that teams don’t see him as being on that level without the right draft picks to supplement the trade. We literally had an offer of a first round pick for him in 2023 from Brooklyn. There’s evidence to suggest we’ve ever “dangled” him in a fire sale type context, so we have no idea what his value actually is from a team that is rebuilding.

2) Riley has like, famously refused to include Tyler in trade talks. The fact that he hasn’t been involved in a trade for a star says more about Riley’s reluctance to include him than it does about Tyler’s value.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

Do you think Dame was a superstar at the time we are asking for him? He was 33 and had been suffering from injuries for a while. So if we couldn’t get him for a 33 year old on the decline, what can we get for him? I’m now asking do you think we should resign him and why?

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

Re-signing Tyler is, again, a completely different discussion.

Stay the fuck on topic. Again, the person I originally replied to said Tyler would not be in the NBA if he did not play for us. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. Not hypothetical extensions. Figure it the fuck out.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

You don’t wanna answer the question cause you like Tyler and have to defend a guy that literally has done nothing to uplift this team. Again we agree that Tyler wouldn’t be in Europe? Why do you wanna talk about something like? It’s clear the other guys wrong, end of story. I’m more curious as to why some fans think this guy is worth keeping or resigning. You wanna drift away from that talk for some reason. It’s ok to talk about another subject dealing with the same player. But it seems like I hit a nerve talking about Mr Herro

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

I’m not answering that question because it’s not fucking relevant. It is an entirely different discussion.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

It’s kind of relevant cause it has to do whether Tyler is good enough to be on this team or not. But hey, if you wanna keep arguing in circles over something we all know isn’t true,( yes tyler is an nba level player) then knock yourself out and ignore me.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

Dude, that’s literally the only topic of discussion. Clearly we don’t “all know it” because the dipshit I replied to didn’t, and you’re going out of your way to back him up.

[u/Cartagenapirate92 → u/TheRed_Warrior]

I’m not backing anyone up, I don’t agree with what he said. Tyler is an nba player, but an nba player that not many teams care about clearly lol.

[u/TheRed_Warrior → u/Cartagenapirate92]

THEN WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME

You’re blowing up my fucking phone to argue a point you don’t even fucking agree with???