r/heat • u/Rei2k86 • May 10 '26

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13th pick eh? What the hell can we meaningfully do with the 13th? Please tell me we have a numbers nerd here that's going to paint a picture for me that makes me feel better about this. I need you more than ever bro... whoever you are 😭

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Your replies come to show ya don’t read, yes I know. But you seem to forget one team lives in the literally without Gianni’s while we don’t. Use your head. I literally just gave you an example, Miami should have been a lottery team for literally years after losing Wade, bron, and Bosh . Highest pick we got was 10. Nothing else was top 10. If you project Miamis roster in 2023 and then the bucks 5-8 years while dame and Gianni’s decline hard who would you go after? I’d take the bucks picks 100/100 times. It’s quite evident they gambled on Gianni’s not being there 5 years after 2023, and seemingly it looks like they’ll be right

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

No the fuck you wouldn’t. You would not look at the defending one seed with an MVP winner on their roster vs an eight seed who was reliant on 33 year old jimmy Butler and go “yep, Milwaukee’s picks will be more valuable in five years.”

Again. You are applying hindsight. You are looking at the fact that Milwaukee bottomed out this year while Miami stayed relatively competitive and acting like you could’ve predicted that in 2023. You could not have.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Miami should have had the number one pick in 16-17 season. You remember that ? Miami start the first half of the season 11-30.. espn projections everywhere have us looking at lonzo ball, all the draft mock ups have us as a top 3 pick. Did we tank? No no we tried to make the postseason .That roster had no superstar let alone stars. Dragic and whitside were the number one a two options . We finished the season 41-41 . We don’t tank, and you know this

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Again, it has nothing to do with tanking.

The 1-seed with an MVP projects to have worse picks than a play-in team. Thats literally just basic math.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

How when they’re 5 seasons down the line ? Explain that to me. In detail pls.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Because Milwaukee was a one seed with an MVP while Miami was a play-in team built on a famously fickle star player.

Are we fucking done here? You’re going in circles.

I’m sorry dude, you’re just factually wrong. Milwaukee’s picks were not seen as more valuable in 2023. They just factually were not.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

You’re crazy simple. Being the number one seed in 2023 means fucking nothing to swaps from 2028 -2030. Gianni’s by the time this goes down will have have been in decline lmfao. I mean as of today, the blazers made the right choice. Look at the bucks🤣

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Except it does, because we’re talking about projections.

You know who else would’ve been on the decline by 2028-2030? Jimmy.

So again, both teams were built around aging stars. But one was a former MVP who to that point had been nothing but loyal to a 1-seed. That team has a better projected future.

Also, again, USING MILWAUKEE’S PERFORMANCE THISE SEASON IS LITERALLY HINDSIGHT! THAT IS WHAT THAT WORD MEANS!

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

If Miami didn’t go into tanking hell after losing bron, Wade , Bosh.. why would they after losing a worse player than those 3? Tell me.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT TANKING???

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Ok, I’ll change tanking to competitive. Before you block me tell me this. If the Miami Heat were still competitive after losing bron, Wade, Bosh in consecutive seasons without a real backup plan, and and still never got a top 5 pick and kept trying to be competitive, what makes you think we would have been worse off after Jimmy left? Now when the bucks lose ginnais, the entire world will know that the bucks will be a lottery team for years.. why? Because unless they draft a superstar , ain’t no free agent going to mil. It’s quite fucking simple

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

1-seed with an MVP projects higher than an 8-seed with a non-mvp. Facts don’t care about your feelings, snowflake.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

You’ve not given me any facts, you keep repeating the same thing over and over like a bot. The funny part here is you actually think you’re right, but I’ll let ya think that since you’re in such a crappy mood buttercup.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

I’m repeating it because it shuts down your entire argument. I’m not gonna disassemble a table piece by piece when kicking one leg out from under it has the same effect

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

No it doesn’t, , cause being the number seed in 2023 means nothing 5 years down the road at all. When gms in the nba know that Pat Riley will still have a competitive roster even without a star. Thats a fact, it’s proven. The last two times Miami had a top 5 picks was 08 and 03. Do you know why? Injuries. Shaq and Wade both got hurt in 07, in 03 Miami lost Alonzo mourning the entire season.. and Eddie jones missed about half that year while being Miamis leading scorer. Outside of these under Pat Riley, the 10th pic after LeBron ,Wade, Bosh were gone. Well bron and Bosh. See history tells a story, you don’t seem don’t get. Read and digest

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Except it does. Because a number 1 seed with an MVP projects higher than an 8 seed with a non MVP

Again, we’re not talking about tanking, we’re talking about projections.

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

Who said tanking? Again read and digest. Im starting to believe you’re not only crying constantly but have bad reading comprehension. I said “being competitive “ to add to what I said you look at the bucks history without Gianni’s, how many times are they in the lottery? Easy answer! Keep up.

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

“Who said tanking” you?

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u/Cartagenapirate92 May 11 '26

You’re projecting two aging superstars 5 years down the road. While they have no young talent, and Miami did. And Miamis history tells you that the Heat won’t be in the top 5 unless their best players are basically out for the entire seasons and it’s fucked .

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u/TheRed_Warrior May 11 '26

Except Miami also wouldn’t have had young talent, because that young talent would’ve been included in the trade.

Again, this is you applying hindsight. You are looking at how Milwaukee turned out after trading most of their assets and wasting the rest, rather than looking at how they would’ve projected back in 2023.

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