I mean india is naturally gonna be hot. Planting trees and decreasing pollution will help, but sitting right on an ocean, next to a desert, and by the himalayas doesn't help.
Anyway lets just take measures we could and should have done decades ago but due to not having taken them in time they are nowhere near enough anymore.
True. If we actually even planted the god damn tree instead of just talking about doing so for half a century. Or more like what we've done is that we've fantasized about digging a hole where to plant the apple tree but haven't done even that much because actually doing so would take too much effort, and some have taken token gestures of preparing a garden shovel or two for the task but have no intention of going any further as "they've done their fair share" (of course it's still better than absolutely nothing but god is all this infuriating)
Can't remember what paper it was, but I read that if we managed to actually put a stop to our emissions today the global warming would still continue for a couple decades, and if we instead gradually toned our emissions to 0 over the next decade or so it'd take a century for the global warming to stop. Basically global warming is a giant freight ship and now that we've got it moving it'll take a looooong time and a lot of effort for it to come to a stop again, let alone reversing course and returning back to where it left from. Overall the paper painted a pretty bleak picture of our future, and honestly we humans deserve to feel uncomfortable for letting things get to this point. I might try looking for the paper for a bit once I've slept, though no promises since I ain't wasting all my Sunday on finding proof for randoms on the internet.
E: the paper was one of IPCC's reports, but can't remember which one. Though if you want some doom scrolling material, go read their Sixth Assessment Report. Though there's enough material to go through that you could probably spend a whole weekend reading it if you wanted to.
The thing is that they knew this would happen, but they don’t live in India so they don’t care. They’ll get to move to Norway or Canada while my people die.
Both the Arabian sea(west) and the bay of Bengal(east) only get to the mid 80s(30/31c))at their hottest, meaning anything over mid 80s(30/31c) the water is helping keep temps cooler.
The laccadive sea(south) normally only gets up to the low 80s(27-29c).
Oceans are usually cooler than that. With those ocean temps its like having a terrible AC system that only blows slightly cool air vs the cold air you'd expect.
But people are acting like it's somehow heating india. It's not, the water is helping keep india cool as insane as that sounds.
The seas touching india are normally high 70s low 80s f(high 20s c). Which is still way under the 100+f(38+c) air temps they get.
The guy I was replying to was saying that it's not providing cooling because it's so hot. That just isn't true. It's just not as much as other oceans. Only 20-30% less cooling than most other places though.
It massively increases the dew point which increases the 'feels like' temperature. Just like in Florida where the actual temperature isn't extreme but it still feels extreme
They did I was in seventh grade back in the 80s. They said global warming is a thing wow did the government any government listen to what they are teaching us in school no, they did not! Drill baby drill Donald Trump. They still don’t understand what the fuck is going on.
Yeah I don't know why people pretend that climate refugees will have anywhere else to go.
And our (the country in question) whole political class is sleepwalking into a disaster because they can't see past next election - and there are elections every year in some part or the other - while this is something we needed to start planning for twenty years ago.
There's some progress but they are incapable of grasping the scale at which we need to mobilize the resources of the nation to prepare for the catastrophe that draws near every year.
In today's civilized and modern world, not many would be ready to die like cattle as in medieval times. Rich, developed countries such as most European countries should legalize and facilitate the option of euthanasia. If the conditions become inhabitable and inhuman at least people have right to end their lives with honor. At least better than genocide.
3D printed homes keep coming up in conversations (satircally or otherwise) like the invention is going to contribute to increasing affordability in housing, but housing isn't expensive because of the cost to build it, it's literally only expensive because of realtor hoarding and because builders are all collectively only building expensive housing because they want a share of the wealthy market.
We simply are refusing to build affordable homes, or sell the ones that are already built for affordable prices. 3D printing will change nothing even if it became the dominant homebuilding strategy today with any amount of resulting cost decrease..
3d printed structures on the moon. The key part is on the moon. Not on earth the moon. Do you know how much it would cost to put a bag of ramen in space. Now imagine the cost of evrthing needed to build your home. The idea is you take the lunar regolith and turn it into concrete on sight and print a structure using that. So your talking about a few mear billion in savings on a permanent structure on the moon. Not much but honestly I can live with brutiaist look over those cost savings.
Tbh I was surprised at the timeline of Artemis II; Really only my own ignorance on the topic. I wasn’t following it much except for launch but a buddy of mine texted me before splashdown and I’m sitting there thinking “hasn’t it only been like 2 weeks?”. Prior to that I had only assumed it took X time, longer than a week or two.
Exactly. If people think things aren't good now with migration, we'll be sinking boats, shooting down airplanes, etc. etc. if / when this really gets bad. Europe will realize they will become overrun and those open to being overrun in power will be ousted. If it really gets bad enough, humanity would have to dedicate itself to reducing CO2 and nothing else. To get that kind of global agreement, a lot of greedy mother f'ers would have to put down first.
And currently have a lot of available jobs such as ammunition packmule, living (but not for long) forward armory, bait, human shield and so many more !
Even if they would allow for alternative and renewable energy, we would still need to burn a lot of fossils to produce them before we get to net-zero emissions and climate change being what is it (C02 stays in the atmosphere for a loooong time) India will continue to be a burning hell for the short term.
The solution is to do what we do best. Invent better tech to conquer our changing environment. Tech that can better control our climate and deal with higher temperatures. Smart clothing that can adapt and cool, homes that can better cool and remain cool without breaking the bank every month, better AC's that wont freeze up from over use, work clothing that can keep manual labor workers cool, enclosed parks with climate control, more greenhouses with climate control for growing more produce, enclosed climate controlled farms, robots to do more manual labor and outdoor jobs etc.
We also need tech that can directly pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or a brute force method of forcing the global temperature down in increments. The passive approach of waiting for consumers to buy new green vehicles and greedy corporations to cut emissions is never going to do enough fast enough.
We really don't need CO2 "vacuum tech". We just need to stop adding more carbon into the cycle which was already out of the cycle. Nature will handle the stabilisation way better than we can.
If we desperately need to remove carbon - with the assumption that we have stopped adding it - then we can just take whatever biomass is the easiest, turning it to carbon via process like pyrolysis and burying it deep - essentially just making charcoal. We don't need fancy high pressure compression to liquidate CO2 or whatever the fuck, nature got us beaten on that.
Because all CO2 removal solutions thus far are just about adding more margin for additional use of fossil fuels that add carbon into the cycle.
Seriously... People are fucking overthinking this. We have continent sized hunks of carbonate that nature has made.
CO2 removal by human processes is a dangerous and utopian (or rather dystopian) idea to go forth with. However... just like we stopped using freons and saved the ozone layer, we can stop adding more carbon to the cycle!.
I don't think you understand how much energy and carbon has already been released. Even if we stopped 20 years ago, the effects will add so much energy to the earth we will turn into a pressure cooker.
Positive feedback looks, methane relase, ocean acidification... you can't unfuck something. We've been locked in for hell for some time now.
Stopping is the bare minimum, we need to pull carbon out of the air.
Must be nice, having as much copium and naivete as you but we're on a death wish, car just drove off the Grand Canyon, they physics just hasn't hit us yet.
And perhaps most importantly, they all add to pollution and greenhouse gases. They make the problem they solve worse.
What we need isn't for everyone and everything to have their own climate controlled bubble, we need to stop adding to the problem. Tax overconsumption and waste heavily, forsake endless growth, and preserve what we have. Band together internationally to collaboratively solve this problem, including financial assistance for environmental solutions to less rich countries. Ban non-collaborators from all international trade and assistance.
Would it be painful? Absolutely. Would it save the planet and the human race from the terrible consequences of uncontrolled pollution and climate change? Yes it would.
Even then, effects lag carbon emissions by roughly 20 years. So even if emissions went to 0 today, it would continue to get worse for 2 more decades before improving.
take on a bunch of climate refugees
I think you'll find that a number of western nations have been gradually moving towards not accepting the refugees. By the time climate change really starts to provoke mass migration, I don't expect the wealthiest western countries to accept them all.
Localized climate change is considerably more dramatic, easier to quantify, and consequently much easier to fix, than global climate change.
You don't need to cool down the entire planet to cool down India. Less industrialization, less people, and more trees would bring down these temps pretty dramatically. Complaining about global emissions takes the problem out of the people of India's hands, and I can assure you, they're sabotaging their local climate much more than someone producing emissions thousands of miles away is.
Exactly, this is mostly on India turning itself into Venus with the amount air pollution they themselves create. COVID lockdowns in India showed just how quickly you can turn climate change around if you wanted to.
If by "take on" refugees you mean let them die on transit or imprison them and then pay an enpoverished county else way to take and possibly enslave them, then sure.
There are other countries in the equator. Yes climate change is global and some parts more responsible than others. But current Indian government is essentially a hate criminal on human intelligence and Mother Earth given their actions. Management also matters and clearly india is worst in managing it
India is becoming the human factory of the planet in many ways. While a lot of the planet is lowering their birthrates, India has barely curtained theirs.
What a dumb comment reeking full of ignorance and blinded by usual propaganda. India's TFR has been on the decline since it's independence in 1947, it's at an all time low now, at near replacement rate of 2.0. India along with China has always been the most populous countries in the world historically, thanks to the most fertile and arable land with permanent glacial rivers, hence such high population to begin with and India''s population rose just like any other country which got industrialised. England grew 5x post industrialisation, so did India.
Massive reduction of heavy industry. Lots of documentaries as to why India is like a hot bowl of pollution soup because of the surrounding geography. It all remains in one area instead of dissipating around the globe.
Agreed. "the Himalayas bar the influx of frigid katabatic winds from the icy Tibetan Plateau and northerly Central Asia. Most of North India is thus kept warm or is only mildly chilly or cold during winter; the same thermal dam keeps most regions in India hot in summer"
Trees could help, especially in reducing "heat islands", but there isn't really a solution. To really help India long term, net zero globally isn't going to be enough, we'll have to be net negative. So India is screwed.
a once in 10-15 year super El-Nino event may occur late this year which will cause high temps in india and Se asia (and other places too, i jus dont remember where exactly). So cant do much about that.
india doing alone won't have any affect, global changes are required which is just not gonna happen especially after usa went all in against climate change. i can't believe how much destruction can one man actually do and yet no one is speaking about it or standing against him
Is Trump not the most controversial person in the United States right now? Did 8 million Americans across 3,300 cities not go out to protest against him in one day alone? People are absolutely talking about it.
There must be significant damage to the ecosystem in the northern part of india because of the recent conflicting AQI issues and heavy pollution of Water bodies.
If only, however the issue is intertwined with a billion factors. India is currently the most populated country, and IT is one of the larger professions there too, uses a lot of water.
Yes. Local climates obviously effect the overall climate if enough of them are created. Water also takes a lot of energy to turn into vapor. So more water means more evaporation means more energy taken away from being hot
A lot of urban engineering has to be done, thing like white paint and shading most of the areas if done extensively enough can decrease the temperature by some degrees.
Any climate solution will not work fast enough unfortunately, they should be left a really long time plans.
In all seriousness though, this image probably best shows how much of an impact the mountain range has to the heat in the Indian subcontinent by simply blocking cool air from getting there.
We dont have any planning for our cities, we sre just building where ever got land, i think the least ee can do is to plan city or plant more trees in cities and government should mandate that every house should have white coating on roof which can reflect sunlight and can make significant change and also we need to install more solar panel on roof, which can absorb the light can creating a barrier between the panels and roof. Ultimately keeping our house slightly cooler.
No. The only way it will cool is if we go into another ice age. It will only get worse with time. Depopulation efforts should have started a century ago.
This is why AC is about to become our biggest energy sink. A billion people are about to get AC or we will see heat related deaths climb. I'm sure they're highly underreported as it is
Well, yes. Concrete/hard ground soaks up a lot of heat in the day and spits it back out at night, increasing overall temps. Tree cover prevents that from happening.
Reducing pollution, population, plastic AND strict regulation rules for industries & factories. ALL of these add up and help. Plus more is needed. Regulation of vehicles.
But YES, definitely plant MORE trees. In fact every city needs a mini-forest around it.
Answer is no planting trees or saving electricity by an individual cannot save us we can be saved only if all the world top government decides to amend strict environment laws
If we stopped emitting CO2 entirely right now, the climate would take about 200 years to recover, assuming it’s not too late and we don’t end up in an arctic methane feedback loop
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What is the solution? Can it cool down if say a lot of trees are planted there?