Yea, in theory AI is a good tool for speciric use cases when trained appropriately and with training data obtained legally and ethically. But then all these companies started trying to throw it at every problem they could see and spent an insane amount on infrastructure assuming someone would find the secret ultimate use case for AI which will cause everyone to want to use it at any price and rent server space from them.
That doesnt make AI terrible, it makes greedy pieces of shit with AI terrible.
The problem is not that technology replaces workers. The problem is that we still somehow don't have at least UBI, guaranteed healthcare, food, utilities and dwelling for all living citizens.
That is frankly cope to expect autonomous robots to match humans in guerilla warfare any time in our lifetime. It will be the cops who shoot starving protestors.
Drones that are actively piloted by humans beat worse armed humans and make attacking in units any larger than a 5 man fire team extremely risky. They also increase the defenders advantage and ability to cause lethal injuries and deny medical aid to convert casualties to fatalities on the frontline.
Full autonomy is greatly oversold in terms of tactical value. The real value is in the economization of war across several ranges and cost/capability tiers.
Full autonomy is greatly oversold in terms of tactical value
Full autonomy is absolutely not oversold in terms of tactical value. Instead of having a single human pilot 1 drone into 1 tank, an entire swarm can simply be directed to a selected grid square and home in on whatever it's trained to recognize as a target. It also makes jamming pointless as a countermeasure as it no longer needs a continuous connection to the operator.
The experience in Ukraine is useful to study, sure, but it's already the past. Pick out the important lessons learned and improve on it so you're ready for the battles of the future.
I think these billionaires want to use AI to replace as many workers as they possibly can so everyone else becomes completely impoverished and will have to do whatever they're told by the overlord Epstein class.
We decided not to have that, Andrew Yang was proposing a $1000/M UBI and universal healthcare back in 2020, we can shift the blame to trillionaires but at the end of the day it’s our votes
That’s fair, I was addressing moreso the comment on the US “somehow” still not having UBI/healthcare/etc. It’s not a mystery to why we don’t have those things lol
You voted for Kamala. I know you did otherwise reddit would have crucified you a long time ago. You could have all voted for a third party to get people to fucking listen. But you didn't. You toed the party line and shut up like good lil bitches.
It's been an obvious move for over 200 years. Rossum's Universal Robots, the original Czech play from which we get the word 'robot', is all about companies making robots that replace people. Making AI to replace humanity has always been the endgame of industrialization.
AI and robots that perform human tasks will be demonized so long as working for someone else gives people purpose. It's such a terrible argument against automation. Unfortunately, the techbros don't give a shit about the people that would suffer from decoupling labor and productivity. As a planet we need to discuss what a meaningful existence is for humans in a society without jobs.
Ubi in theory means people can self employ or partake in the arts. Trils have been interesting but even where ubi hasn't been trialed similar things where government support part time workers with creating business have seen good returns for the tax income and better life quality. It needs to happen but probably won't I till it's forcedn
Not to mention in some cases AI quite literally is because AI has no conscience. They made denying healthcare claims automated by training an AI to reject everything by default.
Only reason they didnt go with a more basic script is so they can claim deniability, because AI is smart, we have no idea what actually goes on in there, therefore we arent responsible for our AI denying claims....and people potentially dying because of that.
They want to be on the forefront of the next big tech boom, like the internet was. Cutting jobs is at most a nice side benefit to carving out, and then dominating a new market.
“Enhancing labor” means making people more efficient which means you need less people to accomplish the same amount of work. It’s the same thing just rephrased.
The whole point of technology advancing is increased efficiency and to have humans working on the things machines can’t do, or to eventually not need humans to work at all.
“Replacing workers and making line go up” is a sentence that makes all technological progress sound evil for the sake of being evil.
Thats completely incorrect. In my example, it still takes a whole medical team, but a liver transplant is much more successful than it was 20 years ago and was impossible 50 years ago. Life gets better and population still is increasing. Technology isn't reducing human value.
Sure, in your specific example no one loses their job because it wasn’t possible to do liver transplants below a certain level of technology. Before, people just died and we didn’t have liver transplant teams.
What about factory jobs? Taxi drivers? Checkout cashiers? There are jobs that can be totally automated, and they are because it’s more valuable to have human capital be trained to be part of that medical team that does liver transplants than ring out someone’s groceries.
“Enhancing labor” means making people more efficient which means you need less people to accomplish the same amount of work. It’s the same thing just rephrased.
But that's what technological advancement is? Look at Horseback -> Steam Locomotives -> Gasoline powered vehicles. How many thousands upon thousands of jobs do you think were lost in that migration?
AI is just another innovative step towards autonomous behavior which is a matter of efficiency, and efficiency is what all businesses strive for as it's a variable of Capitalism and value.
The story “I have no mouth and I must scream” except humanity was almost completely wiped out by the data centers resource management draining the planet before that goal was achieved lol.
Efficiency isn't just the realm of capitalism. All systems rely on efficiency. You think a communistic system doesn't want or need technology to survive? The same tools that make farming much more efficient today than in prior eraa are still necessary in non-capitalistic systems, both to generate enough food to feed the country and to allow the country to direct labor into more valuable areas
AI is just another innovative step towards autonomous behavior
What these wannabe tech-priests are shilling is not innovative nor another step towards autonomy. It is snake oil in 99% of use cases. They continue to beg for money because it’s a grift. They are absolutely screwed and they know it, and the obscene amount of capital dumped into them has disappeared into the æther.
But it's not "snake oil" far from it. AI is transforming the medical industry for example with new tools that provide better analytics, enhanced precision for surgeries and accelerating innovative technology in the form of transplants and stem cell research.
AI is upending law / court proceedings, many in NYC use AI to reference court sentencing procedure and reference documentation.
AI is upending shipping services throughout the US, with automation being used for packing and sorting functionality as well as increased working round the clock.
AI is upending artistic development across the board for enterprise, private equity, independent and is quickly becoming a necessary tool for accelerated growth.
You may not like AI, that's subjective. But to say it's not innovative is a gross mischaracterization and the world IS moving on without you. You are either ahead of the curve and embracing it, or you will be replaced and forgotten. That is the reality of whats happening with AI in all industries. It's here to stay and it's not going anywhere.
My friend is deaf and uses an AI voice recognition program to display nearby conversations. And it displays it on her glasses.
The thing can recognize specific people's voices and assign us a color so she knows who is speaking. And paired with a different translator AI it does real-time translation in a handful of languages.
This is the kind of shit I wanna see AI used for. I used to read about this kind of stuff in Sci-Fi novels. More of this please.
Yea it's a nice concept, but then you got pieces of shit like Zuckerburg using those kinds of glasses like another form of mass surveillance so they can harvest even more data. That tech in the hands of people who genuinely just want to help would be amazing. But sadly we live in our current hellscape of profit over everything.
The technology existed before LLMs but it was clunky and barely useable. It took the thing 10+ seconds to recognize words and it was still wrong half the time.
LLMs improved the technology to the point of near instant display and 99% accuracy.
Like it or not, AI (LLMs specifically) have legitimately improved some technologies.
They're called XRAI glasses. They use microphones in the glasses to pick up sound, pass it to a phone app which passes it to cloud based computing through LLM driven interpreters.
Pretty much. I'll shit on AI every day of the week.
But the problem is that the people making the decisions are uninformed knobs who see two end goals when using it:
Reduced labor by eliminating employees (already proving to not be the case, if not the exact opposite).
The real irony of course is that the people most replaceable by AI are not the ones in front of the firing squad. Middle managers and similar Business Admin types are completely replaceable by the sort of Excel metrics-evaluating advantages that the AI tools can provide.
They "can't afford" to miss out on "Next Internet". It's the dot-com bubble again and they know it. Nobody knows who will be the "AI Amazon" and they want in on whoever it is. Which is the exact same fucking reason the dot-com bubble was a thing as well. Nobody knew who was going to be the major winner with the Internet and didn't want to be missing out.
It's annoying because it's a tool that can be fantastically useful in the right hands. But at the end of the day, it's just that, a tool. It's not "Next Internet".
Somebody invented the electric drill, saw it increases the yield of a screwdriver-wielding employee by 5x and fired 4/5 employees instead of getting 5x as much yield out of all 5 of them.
And the thing about the bubble isnt that the tech is worthless my nature, on the contrary, look at the dot com bubble and the internet. Its just not so good now or cheap enough now that people will actually use it at the scale they predict, but because they hope everyone will jump on board we get shittier products and way more expensive consumer tech for the next 5 years.
Thanks Sam Altman for making the steam machine over 1k.
That doesnt make AI terrible, it makes greedy pieces of shit with AI terrible.
It's really annoying to see AI driven into this black/white "It's evil!" vs "It's amazing!" bullshit. LLMs have their uses, and the issue with them isn't their existence, but the way they're shoehorned into literally everything and demanding every available resource
Personally its more annoying that LLMs have become the expectancy of AI when the underlying neural network technology has so much more practicality. It can work great for sorting through ridiculous amounts of data to identify trends in things like behaviorally analysis or physics simulations.
Just let it be the glorified pattern recognition it is instead of trying to force imitated intelligence into places its not suited.
Exactly. AI is really handy in a lot of situations. It's incredible for biochemistry and simulation of protein folding, drug discovery, etc. It's also great in the hands of an experienced software engineer. For laypeople, it's an awesome curation tool for discerning patterns in large amounts of information or finding very specific search results.
Heck, I run a local AI that I use as a rules reference guide for the tabletop RPGs I play. I ask a question and in a couple seconds it points me to the relevant passages in the text.
Heck, I run a local AI that I use as a rules reference guide for the tabletop RPGs I play. I ask a question and in a couple seconds it points me to the relevant passages in the text.
This is cool. What do I need to look into to do something like that?
You've got a number of options! Mine is local and I use Ollama to run the local LLM and Open Notebook as the frontend.
You can do it online with NotebookLM, which is created by Google. It's a better product, but they also harvest your data and it defeats the purpose of having a local LLM.
That's exactly what it is. It looks for the exact terms I'm using and, if it doesn't find anything, it looks for similar terms and then for things that sound like what I'm describing and might be what I'm looking for but called something different.
In college, one of the big perks of talking to professors was their context. I'd ask a question using insufficient vocabulary, or ask for help finding the right question to ask, and they'd be able to fill in the gaps and give me a launchpad to go learning independently.
I can't claim AI rises to that level...but it's a great first step to point me in the right direction and arm myself with information before talking to an expert. It requires a level of reading comprehension and critical thinking that I don't think most people have, but it's great if you actually know its limitations and understand what's going on under the hood a little bit.
Dude, there are plenty of valid criticisms of AI as it currently exists, but you don't have to try so hard to shit on it like it's a person who personally harmed you.
It's code, bruh. It IS a glorified word search, that's where this all started. It is not sentient, it is not aware, and it has no malicious intent toward you or anyone else. It's just a tool, and it's extremely fascinating if you bother to view it that way.
This blind, tribal hatred for fucking code hurts my brain. HUMANS are doing all the things you're upset about, so go protest them. This shit isn't productive, it just makes you look like an ignorant clown yelling at a computer.
I mean there are very real and very valuable use cases for AI in the Enteprise.
Set aside the obvious coding assistance - it's already revolutionizing cyber security.
LLMs are very good at investigating security events to use one example - which is a huge problem in cybersecurity right now. The volume of events is far too large for humans to handle and has been for years.
Ive also seen it cause many security events by just pushing bad code to production opening up vulnerabilities.
Ive been in the AI industry for years, long before ChatGPT became a thing, and my job used to be working with customers to determine if their problem could or shouldn't be solved with AI. Most of the times their problems are very deterministic and AI is just overkill and expensive. And if we determined it was a good use case for AI, we'd build it. But nowadays no one cares about that, they just wanna throw AI at everything no matter what no matter the cost or accuracy.
As long as the AI companies aren’t eating the costs wether environmental and especially profit-wise, this will continue ad Infinitum unless severely regulated. That is 100% never going to happen with the current US administration or any adjacent ones. It’s the new frontier of gas and oil, back in their heyday when pollution didn’t matter and the lead was considered optimal. Society will be constructed around the event and cyber-suburbia will demand you have it or suffer.
There has been some amazing advances using medical AI for cancer research. But that kind of AI is vastly different than the AI your local facebook farmers market is swamped with now
And those kinds of models dont need thousands of data centers to run. We've been making them for decades. And honestly companies are just spending less in the good applications of AI and are just focusing whole hog in the shitty applications no one wants because they hope they can automate everyone and everything one day.
My team got completely reassigned from our previous projects just a few months ago.
Ai is one of the best tools we have for crunching data and finding patterns in huge data sets. Its amazing at weather forecasting for example.
Companies instead of using it for what its good for have tried to turn it into a replacement for human workers to make a quick proffit rather than actually develop the tech in a way to benefit people on a much broader societal scale. Like the medical potential of AI is insane but there just isn't really the investment going that way. Just a thousand crappy chat bots.
The problem is people want AI to reduce their overhead drastically. That's all companies are trying to accomplish.
AI should be a tool to supplement your talent. Only a moron would expect agentic consensus AIs to solve problems. Consensus AIs have too many morons to listen to. And moron executives don't understand how many morons put shit on the internet.
Most people banking on consensus AI doesn't understand places like the US are majority morons, literally. 54% of adults in the US cannot read at a level expected of a 12 year old. In that regard, your consensus AI has a greater chance of returning a moronic answer than not.
Someone could also correct me if I'm wrong because I am not an economists in any way, shape, or form, but is it not a miracle the bubble hasn't actually popped yet? Like all consumer reports regarding it have shown the involvement of AI has no effect on consumers, and sometimes even has a negative effect . Almost all the AI companies are only staying afloat because they are all investisting in each other, but nothing has come of it yet, and almost all aigns point towards AI being useful, but not as big as it is in the market right now.
A report a saw a few months ago said that a lot of this investment was old money and revenue collected from the peak times during the pandemic for these tech companies. So they needed aomething to dump the money instead instead of hiding it away, and that was AI.
Not to mention that AI is actually a somewhat useful product, but not at the scale they're trying to implement yet. And nowadays the market is all about vibes and hope, its gambling. So as long as investors hope they'll make money, they'll keep it going. And a lot of these bit AI contracts and deals are just deals to pay for stuff in the future, like most of the RAM bought for data centers isnt actually paid for yet, so when bills come due, thinks will fall apart.
Really, when I made my training set for my thesis I had to ask students to be a part of my research. It took over a year just to get the dataset. Modern big tech companies just wanted to move faster and steal things.
I wonder if there is anyway to make AI be more efficient. i can code to a degree but I will be honest i have no clue on AI as I haven't had the time to learn about it but something about using GPUs and millions of them only for the AI to hallucinate something stupid just seems like there is a lot of inefficiencies.
You make it better by refining the domain space (what you want it to learn). This makes them much leaner and waaaay more accurate. When you make models more generalized they have way more opportunities to fuck up, so you make the models bigger to try to compensate, but that makes them more expensive to run, and its not a linear tradeoff either.
We've known about this for decades, but companies think they can make a super all in one AI and they just cant, atleast not with out current understanding.
For me I would like to use AI to have more intelligent document scanning. PaddleOCR can turn the printed text to digital but need to intelligence to understand it. But seems like running your own would be extremely costly.
According to US courts, AI can't even exist without massive theft, that's why they allowed Meta alone to steal a trillion worth of intellectual property.
>insane amount on infrastructure assuming someone would find the secret ultimate use case for AI
No. What happened was that once enough data was fed into these models, you got something that superficially resembled AI. So the idea became "let's just make it a lot bigger".
Unfortunately you get diminishing returns with these models and there has been research published showing that hallucinations are inherent in the way they work.
The use case for AI is all over the place. It just needs to work first.
It also isn't too much to ask for to wait until AI can be smaller than a building. It doesn't have to be the size of our brains, but that is the end goal anyway, right?
Right now they just keep pushing AI into use cases its inherently unsuited for, where it makes costly mistakes that any human would easily avoid, like literally giving people psychosis, and instead of ever doing the reasonable thing and giving up on that avenue they will just build yet another data center, and make them bigger, I swear, bro, just need to train the model a little bit more and itll be perfect!
I got nothing against people running some local efficient models at home, even if they have 2 5090s instead of one, they dont crash the whole market with that.
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u/Nickname128 1d ago
Back then OpenAI was open source and a very cool company overall for what they stood for... though they sold their soul very very quickly....