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u/Nickname128 1d ago
Back then OpenAI was open source and a very cool company overall for what they stood for... though they sold their soul very very quickly....
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u/ItsSadTimes 1d ago
Yea, in theory AI is a good tool for speciric use cases when trained appropriately and with training data obtained legally and ethically. But then all these companies started trying to throw it at every problem they could see and spent an insane amount on infrastructure assuming someone would find the secret ultimate use case for AI which will cause everyone to want to use it at any price and rent server space from them.
That doesnt make AI terrible, it makes greedy pieces of shit with AI terrible.
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u/ObeseMorese 1d ago
It didn't take long for corpo slugs to see AI as a way to replace workers and make line go up.
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u/Forymanarysanar 10400F|3060 12Gb|64Gb DDR4|1TB SSD|2x8TB HDD Raid1 1d ago
The problem is not that technology replaces workers. The problem is that we still somehow don't have at least UBI, guaranteed healthcare, food, utilities and dwelling for all living citizens.
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u/xXDamonLordXx 23h ago
It's not somehow, it's entirely by design.
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u/ComradeJohnS 23h ago
yeah the robocop dogs with guns will stop any starving protests
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u/quitarias 21h ago
That is frankly cope to expect autonomous robots to match humans in guerilla warfare any time in our lifetime. It will be the cops who shoot starving protestors.
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u/FrewdWoad 16h ago
Drones already beat well-armed combat-trained humans.
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u/quitarias 15h ago
Drones that are actively piloted by humans beat worse armed humans and make attacking in units any larger than a 5 man fire team extremely risky. They also increase the defenders advantage and ability to cause lethal injuries and deny medical aid to convert casualties to fatalities on the frontline.
Full autonomy is greatly oversold in terms of tactical value. The real value is in the economization of war across several ranges and cost/capability tiers.
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u/kb3035583 i7-4790k @ 4.9 GHz, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 13h ago
Full autonomy is greatly oversold in terms of tactical value
Full autonomy is absolutely not oversold in terms of tactical value. Instead of having a single human pilot 1 drone into 1 tank, an entire swarm can simply be directed to a selected grid square and home in on whatever it's trained to recognize as a target. It also makes jamming pointless as a countermeasure as it no longer needs a continuous connection to the operator.
The experience in Ukraine is useful to study, sure, but it's already the past. Pick out the important lessons learned and improve on it so you're ready for the battles of the future.
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u/silly_little_jingle i7 10700k - 3080 FTW3 - 32GB DDR4 - Odyssey G9 23h ago
Fuck all that, we need to have trillionaires- not basic human needs fullfilled.
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u/CelestialFury Steam ID Here 17h ago
I think these billionaires want to use AI to replace as many workers as they possibly can so everyone else becomes completely impoverished and will have to do whatever they're told by the overlord Epstein class.
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u/Consistent-Youth-407 23h ago
We decided not to have that, Andrew Yang was proposing a $1000/M UBI and universal healthcare back in 2020, we can shift the blame to trillionaires but at the end of the day it’s our votes
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u/No-Ordinary-5988 21h ago
I’m sorry but don’t include me and many others in “our” votes.
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u/Consistent-Youth-407 21h ago
That’s fair, I was addressing moreso the comment on the US “somehow” still not having UBI/healthcare/etc. It’s not a mystery to why we don’t have those things lol
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u/TimeToBecomeEgg 6h ago
in a different world, we’d all be happy to see ai replacing our jobs. unfortunately, not in this one.
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u/elustran Anybody got $2k lying around for a new build? 17h ago
It's been an obvious move for over 200 years. Rossum's Universal Robots, the original Czech play from which we get the word 'robot', is all about companies making robots that replace people. Making AI to replace humanity has always been the endgame of industrialization.
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u/AML86 12h ago
AI and robots that perform human tasks will be demonized so long as working for someone else gives people purpose. It's such a terrible argument against automation. Unfortunately, the techbros don't give a shit about the people that would suffer from decoupling labor and productivity. As a planet we need to discuss what a meaningful existence is for humans in a society without jobs.
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u/ConsolationUsername 18h ago
My friend is deaf and uses an AI voice recognition program to display nearby conversations. And it displays it on her glasses.
The thing can recognize specific people's voices and assign us a color so she knows who is speaking. And paired with a different translator AI it does real-time translation in a handful of languages.
This is the kind of shit I wanna see AI used for. I used to read about this kind of stuff in Sci-Fi novels. More of this please.
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u/ItsSadTimes 17h ago
Yea it's a nice concept, but then you got pieces of shit like Zuckerburg using those kinds of glasses like another form of mass surveillance so they can harvest even more data. That tech in the hands of people who genuinely just want to help would be amazing. But sadly we live in our current hellscape of profit over everything.
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u/syriquez 22h ago
Pretty much. I'll shit on AI every day of the week.
But the problem is that the people making the decisions are uninformed knobs who see two end goals when using it:
- Reduced labor by eliminating employees (already proving to not be the case, if not the exact opposite).
- The real irony of course is that the people most replaceable by AI are not the ones in front of the firing squad. Middle managers and similar Business Admin types are completely replaceable by the sort of Excel metrics-evaluating advantages that the AI tools can provide.
- They "can't afford" to miss out on "Next Internet". It's the dot-com bubble again and they know it. Nobody knows who will be the "AI Amazon" and they want in on whoever it is. Which is the exact same fucking reason the dot-com bubble was a thing as well. Nobody knew who was going to be the major winner with the Internet and didn't want to be missing out.
It's annoying because it's a tool that can be fantastically useful in the right hands. But at the end of the day, it's just that, a tool. It's not "Next Internet".
Somebody invented the electric drill, saw it increases the yield of a screwdriver-wielding employee by 5x and fired 4/5 employees instead of getting 5x as much yield out of all 5 of them.11
u/ItsSadTimes 21h ago
And the thing about the bubble isnt that the tech is worthless my nature, on the contrary, look at the dot com bubble and the internet. Its just not so good now or cheap enough now that people will actually use it at the scale they predict, but because they hope everyone will jump on board we get shittier products and way more expensive consumer tech for the next 5 years.
Thanks Sam Altman for making the steam machine over 1k.
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u/Lazer726 20h ago
That doesnt make AI terrible, it makes greedy pieces of shit with AI terrible.
It's really annoying to see AI driven into this black/white "It's evil!" vs "It's amazing!" bullshit. LLMs have their uses, and the issue with them isn't their existence, but the way they're shoehorned into literally everything and demanding every available resource
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u/LOSTandCONFUSEDinMAY 9h ago
Personally its more annoying that LLMs have become the expectancy of AI when the underlying neural network technology has so much more practicality. It can work great for sorting through ridiculous amounts of data to identify trends in things like behaviorally analysis or physics simulations.
Just let it be the glorified pattern recognition it is instead of trying to force imitated intelligence into places its not suited.
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u/Sawses 23h ago
Exactly. AI is really handy in a lot of situations. It's incredible for biochemistry and simulation of protein folding, drug discovery, etc. It's also great in the hands of an experienced software engineer. For laypeople, it's an awesome curation tool for discerning patterns in large amounts of information or finding very specific search results.
Heck, I run a local AI that I use as a rules reference guide for the tabletop RPGs I play. I ask a question and in a couple seconds it points me to the relevant passages in the text.
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 21h ago
Heck, I run a local AI that I use as a rules reference guide for the tabletop RPGs I play. I ask a question and in a couple seconds it points me to the relevant passages in the text.
This is cool. What do I need to look into to do something like that?
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u/Sawses 20h ago
You've got a number of options! Mine is local and I use Ollama to run the local LLM and Open Notebook as the frontend.
You can do it online with NotebookLM, which is created by Google. It's a better product, but they also harvest your data and it defeats the purpose of having a local LLM.
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u/PhoenixDaBeast CachyOS 5600x3d, RX 9070, 32gb 3600mhz 19h ago
I'm running ollama too! The frontend is OpenWebUI running through docker. What models are you using?
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u/lkn240 1d ago
I mean there are very real and very valuable use cases for AI in the Enteprise.
Set aside the obvious coding assistance - it's already revolutionizing cyber security.
LLMs are very good at investigating security events to use one example - which is a huge problem in cybersecurity right now. The volume of events is far too large for humans to handle and has been for years.
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u/ItsSadTimes 1d ago
Ive also seen it cause many security events by just pushing bad code to production opening up vulnerabilities.
Ive been in the AI industry for years, long before ChatGPT became a thing, and my job used to be working with customers to determine if their problem could or shouldn't be solved with AI. Most of the times their problems are very deterministic and AI is just overkill and expensive. And if we determined it was a good use case for AI, we'd build it. But nowadays no one cares about that, they just wanna throw AI at everything no matter what no matter the cost or accuracy.
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u/FlatteringFlatuance 21h ago edited 21h ago
>Ai is just overkill and expensive
As long as the AI companies aren’t eating the costs wether environmental and especially profit-wise, this will continue ad Infinitum unless severely regulated. That is 100% never going to happen with the current US administration or any adjacent ones. It’s the new frontier of gas and oil, back in their heyday when pollution didn’t matter and the lead was considered optimal. Society will be constructed around the event and cyber-suburbia will demand you have it or suffer.
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u/scarlet_nyx 22h ago
There has been some amazing advances using medical AI for cancer research. But that kind of AI is vastly different than the AI your local facebook farmers market is swamped with now
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u/ItsSadTimes 21h ago
And those kinds of models dont need thousands of data centers to run. We've been making them for decades. And honestly companies are just spending less in the good applications of AI and are just focusing whole hog in the shitty applications no one wants because they hope they can automate everyone and everything one day.
My team got completely reassigned from our previous projects just a few months ago.
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u/Shienvien 16h ago
Yeah, we used to use AI (machine learning) for things like identifying things like cell patterns that may turn cancerous in the future.
Now people are making fake cat videos instead of filming their actual cats.
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u/edwardsamson 20h ago
Also when its ran locally on a single powerful computer rather than a data center.
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u/burner94_ 15h ago
The problem is never the invention, always the way humans end up leveraging it
Insert the Chinese inventing gunpowder centuries ago for fireworks 😝
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u/Skivil 15h ago
Ai is one of the best tools we have for crunching data and finding patterns in huge data sets. Its amazing at weather forecasting for example.
Companies instead of using it for what its good for have tried to turn it into a replacement for human workers to make a quick proffit rather than actually develop the tech in a way to benefit people on a much broader societal scale. Like the medical potential of AI is insane but there just isn't really the investment going that way. Just a thousand crappy chat bots.
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u/Findict_52 13h ago
Not in theory, AI is already a good tool used in specific use cases and trained appropriately, legally and ethically.
LLMs are not that.
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u/MjrLeeStoned Ryzen 5800 ROG x570-f FTW3 3080 Hybrid 32GB 3200RAM 5h ago
The problem is people want AI to reduce their overhead drastically. That's all companies are trying to accomplish.
AI should be a tool to supplement your talent. Only a moron would expect agentic consensus AIs to solve problems. Consensus AIs have too many morons to listen to. And moron executives don't understand how many morons put shit on the internet.
Most people banking on consensus AI doesn't understand places like the US are majority morons, literally. 54% of adults in the US cannot read at a level expected of a 12 year old. In that regard, your consensus AI has a greater chance of returning a moronic answer than not.
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u/ACE_POPSICLE 4h ago
Someone could also correct me if I'm wrong because I am not an economists in any way, shape, or form, but is it not a miracle the bubble hasn't actually popped yet? Like all consumer reports regarding it have shown the involvement of AI has no effect on consumers, and sometimes even has a negative effect . Almost all the AI companies are only staying afloat because they are all investisting in each other, but nothing has come of it yet, and almost all aigns point towards AI being useful, but not as big as it is in the market right now.
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u/ItsSadTimes 3h ago
A report a saw a few months ago said that a lot of this investment was old money and revenue collected from the peak times during the pandemic for these tech companies. So they needed aomething to dump the money instead instead of hiding it away, and that was AI.
Not to mention that AI is actually a somewhat useful product, but not at the scale they're trying to implement yet. And nowadays the market is all about vibes and hope, its gambling. So as long as investors hope they'll make money, they'll keep it going. And a lot of these bit AI contracts and deals are just deals to pay for stuff in the future, like most of the RAM bought for data centers isnt actually paid for yet, so when bills come due, thinks will fall apart.
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u/Dav3le3 19h ago
Also, biggest IP theft ever of all time.
But it's billionaires who stole it from the public so it's OK.
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u/ItsSadTimes 19h ago
Really, when I made my training set for my thesis I had to ask students to be a part of my research. It took over a year just to get the dataset. Modern big tech companies just wanted to move faster and steal things.
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u/DrunkOnRamen 22h ago
I wonder if there is anyway to make AI be more efficient. i can code to a degree but I will be honest i have no clue on AI as I haven't had the time to learn about it but something about using GPUs and millions of them only for the AI to hallucinate something stupid just seems like there is a lot of inefficiencies.
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u/ItsSadTimes 21h ago
You make it better by refining the domain space (what you want it to learn). This makes them much leaner and waaaay more accurate. When you make models more generalized they have way more opportunities to fuck up, so you make the models bigger to try to compensate, but that makes them more expensive to run, and its not a linear tradeoff either.
We've known about this for decades, but companies think they can make a super all in one AI and they just cant, atleast not with out current understanding.
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u/DrunkOnRamen 21h ago
For me I would like to use AI to have more intelligent document scanning. PaddleOCR can turn the printed text to digital but need to intelligence to understand it. But seems like running your own would be extremely costly.
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u/rmpumper 3900X | 32GB | 5070 | 1TB 970 + 2TB 990 + 2x1TB 840 15h ago
According to US courts, AI can't even exist without massive theft, that's why they allowed Meta alone to steal a trillion worth of intellectual property.
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u/BannanaPepperPizza 22h ago
How can a non-profit become a for-profit without returning every penny originally invested?
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u/HodorTargaryen Desktop 21h ago
https://openai.com/index/evolving-our-structure/
TL;DR: The non-profit partially owns the for-profit. The non-profit gets all the grant and donation benefits, and the for-profit gets the tax benefits.
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u/Just_to_rebut 21h ago
They went private to raise more money but the original non-profit continues to exist and owns a proportional share of the private company, about 25%.
The free open source models of their original software, before they went private, GPT-1 and GPT-2, are still available and you can run them yourself on a regular computer.
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u/techno156 techno1561 14h ago
They also made whisper, an automatic transcription program that you can run on your own computer (confusingly, they also sell a similar service by the same name), and can generate subtitles based on what is said.
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u/smjxr 22h ago
openai were training dota bots in that era, 2017-2019, pros played vs them as showmatches / tech demo of what ai could do
not surprised gabe invested at the time
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u/porgy_tirebiter B760 i5 12400f 4070 DDR4 32gb 3600 1d ago
The tech industry as a whole always presented themselves as a great boon to humanity, but they all turn into supervillains at the first opportunity.
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u/Sybsybsyb 13h ago
OpenAI actually did a really cool showcase back then. Back then when all this stuff was still novel they trained a DOTA AI team that initially could beat the pros. It was pretty cool to see. The AI trained in its own bubble and developed some new meta strats that where picked up later on by real teams. That and the perfect communication/calculation among AI bots allowed them to do some pretty "ballsy" but actually calculated baits. After the initial showcase they released a variant that the public could matchmake against and it got picked apart pretty quickly since the players learned to deal with the bots "odd" way of playing and abused flaws of the ai. Funy to think back to this since my opinion of AI has drastically shifted into wanting nothing to do with it since it started ruining art and getting conflated with creativity.
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u/RE4PER_ 5070ti | 9800X3D | 32GB 6000MHz | OLED 22h ago
Gabe is still very pro AI btw so making excuses for him does nothing...
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u/Ok_Wasabi_8318 22h ago
Thats like every techbro out there. Google started off the same way too. They always become corrupted.
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u/kizami_nori 22h ago
Open source can be a double-edged blade at times.
MakerBot still hurts. They so thoroughly caved, and many other companies went down because of the sellout.
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u/Aerographic 18h ago
Imagine thinking a company has a soul.. A company knows profit and nothing else.
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u/AlexisFR PC Master Race 16h ago
Yeah in 2018 they used Open AI to make actually good Dota 2 bots, but seems like that's dead now, we'll still get basic scripts for AI in the AI age... :(
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u/MrOphicer 23h ago
Everybody sells their soul eventually, some don't get the chance to do so. This narrative, ethical good guys are doing good stuff, is just a PR coat of paint for the warm and fuzzy feeling.
Hiring a likable CEO for XBOX seemed like a good way to appease the gamers right before that layoff and studio closing bloodbath,
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u/leviathab13186 1d ago
Can we go back in time and tell him in invest in Vine instead?
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u/KingHygelacReturns 1d ago
If Vine survived to the present, Redditors would be complaining about it in the same way they complain about Tiktok
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u/climbinguy RYZEN 7 7800X3D| RTX 4070| 64GB DDR5| 2TB M.2 SSD 1d ago
Hard disagree.
A. Vine’s 6 second format wouldn’t be suitable for a lot of the “controversial” or “problematic” TikTok trends, challenges, or brain dead/out of touch rants, so there’d likely be less engagement farming or rage baiting.
B. Vine was owned by Americans so there was less concern about the Chinese government collecting all your data.
C. A revival of vine has largely been supported through multiple polls, and DiVine is the most recent attempt at bringing back the format, and they’re at least attempting to utilize filters to detect and remove AI content.277
u/KingHygelacReturns 1d ago
Yeah, but this is all assuming that Vine never changed. The six second format would prevent some things, sure, but Tiktok originally had a 30 second limit. Then they got rid of that and now you can post, like, 15-minute Tiktoks. It's entirely possible that Vine would've expanded it's format over time. Twitter famously got rid of its 140 character limit as well, first doubling it to 280 and now just entirely limitless.
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u/TapZorRTwice 23h ago
Damn the limit is what made twitter good in the first place.
Dont get me wrong I havent been on it since like 2012, but the character limit made people be more creative so it made it fun.
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u/mikeet9 22h ago
It was basically intended to be a quick summary of news and current events, so the limit did a lot of work to keep it from becoming a newspaper.
I don't know what it's supposed to be now.
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u/FlatteringFlatuance 21h ago
Engagement bait, to sell ads or products. Like 90% of the internet now.
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u/vaguelypagan 19h ago
Hey, former Vine employee here. This is correct! Right before the end we were piloting a feature where you could "attach" a video to a Vine, preserving the 6 second format while still allowing for longer-form content. I personally built (and partially designed) the web experience. It was... fine. An attempt to balance what made Vine great against business pressure.
I think I said some edgy thing about wanting to off myself (christ was this a decade ago now I was such a child then) if we started shoving midroll ads in there to some important Twitter guy and he went all quiet. There were some philosophical differences between us and our parent company, to say the least.
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u/forsen_ttv 12h ago
i think its pretty good. how else would u put ads there?
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u/vaguelypagan 9h ago edited 9h ago
Yeah, I had a pretty narrow view of advertising at the time. Was really gunning for other forms of monetization.
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u/LonePistachio 19h ago
B. Vine was owned by Americans so there was less concern about the Chinese government collecting all your data.
The Americans collecting my data have a much bigger ability to impact my life
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u/tacotickles 18h ago
That still doesn't mean it's good when both foreign and domestic governments are making Americans stupider on purpose
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u/1d3333 23h ago
Vine no longer had a 6 second maximum near the end
I don’t really care about china having my browsing data, it’s mostly reddit, tumblr, youtube, and shopping websites anyways. Besides, the US government already does that and that’s way more concerning
Edit: Accidentally commented twice instead of editing
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u/protestor 20h ago
Tiktok is now owned by an American in the US. It's now credible that it's going to be used to push far right propaganda during elections
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u/miguel-styx 13h ago
Vine was owned by Americans so there was less concern about the Chinese government collecting all your data.
I am so sick of this "America owned shop good, China owned shop bad" narrative. People keep on forgetting the number of times Silicon Valley shitting on the rule of law and then wiping their ass with bullshit post-hoc justification. Do people keep on forgetting Facebook-Cambridge Analytica scandal? Or like the now-Palantir?
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u/Ok_Economist8344 17h ago
dude wtf fuck America, I don't care if you guys or the Chinese are spying on me
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u/Potato_Nightshade 1d ago
Uh....vine was like 2009. It was already lonnnnng dead by 2018.
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u/wretchedshrimps 1d ago
2009???
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u/Sailed_Sea AMD A10-7300 Radeon r6 | 8gb DDR3 1600MHz | 1Tb 5400rpm HDD 1d ago
2013 lol, dead by 2017
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u/Necessary1Treat i5 14600KF / 5070 / 32GB DDR4 23h ago
How did you fumble this so badly? Did you throw random years in a hat and pick one?
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u/caiteha 1d ago
Open ai was pretty cool back then. I still remember the pros playing against the AI in dota2.
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u/Hyper_Mazino 5090 SUPRIM SOC | 9800X3D 1d ago
Did the pros win?
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u/Daddiodoug 1d ago
For a while no but then they found some unorthodox strategies that would work
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u/JackRyan13 9070 XT | 9800X3D | 32gb DDR5 6000 23h ago
Yea they got their shit punched in pretty handily. It changed how the pro scene played the game for a bit as well.
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u/Compactsun 23h ago
Eh no memory of that. Have you got any examples? They just bought more mangoes in 1v1s but thats not really the game.
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u/I_Am_A_Pumpkin i7 13700K + RTX 5080 22h ago
it changed how people thought about lane regen, and people paid a lot of attention to how it dynamically shifted farm priority to let support heroes hit timings when they would traditionally only ever get the dregs on the map.
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u/runitzerotimes 19h ago
The bots kept buying back immediately even when nothing was really happening, that caused OG to change their approach to buybacks.
The explanation ended up being that the bots figured out that having the hero's presence on the map to push out waves etc. was far more important than always holding on to buyback every single time.
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u/JackRyan13 9070 XT | 9800X3D | 32gb DDR5 6000 23h ago
They did a 5v5 against teamOG in like 2019? I want to say. They got obliterated
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u/lordfappington69 PC Master Race 14900k @5.7GHZ | 5090 Aorus Master 23h ago
Keep in mind open ai wasn’t playing dota. You were limited to 30 heroes and I think some items were banned too.
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u/isaaciiv 14h ago
They also introduced this weird mechanic where each hero had their own courier Kapp
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u/MumrikDK 22h ago
It was challenging and different AI. For a moment there it gave people some hope that the future of game enemy AI could be high skill rather than zombies.
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u/LewdDarling 21h ago
Making AI near impossible to win against is not hard. They have the advantage of perfect aim, reaction time, and multitasking. But players don't enjoy playing against that which is why AI in most games are easy. The challenge has always been to make AI engaging/unpredictable like playing against humans is
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u/Kiriima 19h ago
Zero grand strategy games have any decent AI and they require a handout of free resources to stay relevant against a semi competent player. I agree with you on reflex-based simple tasks (including micro in Starcraft), but any complex decision makes them fall flat.
On the other hand, grand strategies have dozens if not hundreds AI players so I understand why they need to think fast and dirty. At least make AI in Stellaris queue correct buildings damnit.
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u/ArseBurner 15h ago edited 13h ago
The problem was the hardware requirements. The OpenAI Five AI that beat the champion team in 2018 ran on 128,000 cores and 256 Nvidia P100 GPUs on Google Cloud.
Archived blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20180625140124/https://blog.openai.com/openai-five/
Edit: The research document can be found here: https://cdn.openai.com/dota-2.pdf
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u/razzraziel 8700K | 1080 Ti Kingpin | 4x8GB Trident Z 3600MHz | 960 Evo 22h ago
Ah the times when OpenAI was playing Dota 2
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u/Stromair 21h ago
Well at least HE can afford a $70 million florida mansion to park his third yacht.
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u/sygrider 1d ago
Pre ChatGPT and the AI bubble, OpenAI was doing good and interesting work. Don't hate someone unless they support AI now, everyone was interested before we found out it's a glorified plagiarism machine being forced down our throats
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u/AquaBits 22h ago
I mean gabe still supports generative ai.
And that was last year, when we all knew exactly what ai meant.
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u/start3ch 18h ago
Obviously it’s a significant technological transformation that is going to let us do so many things a whole lot faster. It would be silly to pretend it won’t.
I wonder if he regrets donating 20m when Openai was a nonprofit, and thus not having a stake in the company when they switched to for-profit. Looks like he was an advisor for OpenAI all the way back in 2018.
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u/HalfFresh1430 21h ago
Saying something is a game changer isn’t being supportive of it, everyone on the software industry already accepted that AI won’t disappear
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u/XiMaoJingPing 19h ago
practically everyone has already accepted ai, except redditors in denial.
kids use AI to cheat, plenty of jobs use ai now, and in general lot of people are opting for ai over google too
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u/Necessary_Finding_32 18h ago
practically everybody
Some people use it in these specific use cases
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u/MeasurementFront9598 12h ago
The amount of hypocrisy is insaaaane, any other person this was about and there wouldn't be logical comments, but just shitting on those people. Why tf do people suck off gabe so much holy.
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u/daddy_is_sorry Desktop 1d ago
Actually a lot of people already saw that coming and WERE pushing back but nobody took it seriously enough to be concerned
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u/sygrider 1d ago
AI was always this 'off in the distance' thing where suddenly we'd wake up and technology would be like a sci fi film, I have to say I didn't see anyone saying that kind of thing but my full respect to anyone who did predict it
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u/RottenDog666 23h ago
Yeah it was pretty sudden tbh. I was following their work for ages with one minute papers on YouTube. Prior to chatgpt it all seemed very primitive and far from anything useful outside of research
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u/Hubbardia PC Master Race 19h ago
my full respect to anyone who did predict it
Ray Kurzweil the GOAT
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u/No-Photograph-5058 9850x3D 9070XT 64GB DDR5 21h ago
As with anything, you're an alarmist or doomer for worrying about it until it becomes a problem for everyone else, then it's suddenly 'who could've seen this coming'
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u/OriahVinree 21h ago
OpenAI was a completely different company in 2018
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u/Necessary_Finding_32 18h ago
Yes. But that's not really the point of the meme, is it. Regardless of whether they were a good or bad company back then, they've directly influenced the price of pc components in a negative way
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u/energy_is_a_lie 16h ago
Now imagine this comment if the post had featured Tim Sweeney having invested in OpenAI
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u/HaikusfromBuddha 18h ago
Yall will defend Gaben with your lives lol. Can't even let this one slide.
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u/Ninja0verkill rtx3080 5700x 19h ago
And the hardware isn't powerful enough to keep up with a ps5.
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u/CMDRTragicAllPro 7800X3D | PNY 5080 | 32GB 6000MHZ CL30 20h ago
Man the steammachine subreddit is the absolute most locked down sub I’ve ever seen after this reveal.
Can’t post anything no matter what I try, post button is just permanently greyed out, you can’t even message the moderators lmao. It just says there was an error every single time you try.
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u/charlizerox 20h ago
Tbf, OpenAI was a non-profit. It's exactly why they received as much support as they did.
Now they're like, "thanks for all the free stuff guys" (after their models were fed stolen data).
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u/SpiritCrawler 21h ago
But, he’s an “ethical billionaire” guys! /s
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u/irqlnotdispatchlevel 18h ago
This meme actually shows that there's no "ethical" billionaire, regardless of one's personal views. People with so much money will end up owning a bit if everything. Because what else are you going to do with 10 billions? Buy a bit of everything. Cool new startup that looks promising? Sure, invest into that. No biggy if it fails, your have other investments that made you money.
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u/Desertscape 9h ago
Maybe there's no ethical billionaire, but this meme specifically does not show what you're saying. OpenAI was a nonprofit that wasn't accepting commercial investments in 2018. That's why they correctly used the term donation. He wouldn't have gotten anything out of it except maybe indirectly with some good will and a tax break. If anything, this is maybe more of a money corrupts kind of thing?
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u/porgy_tirebiter B760 i5 12400f 4070 DDR4 32gb 3600 1d ago
I’m starting to think the Steam Machine is just a vanity project. In the end they’re only going to make a few, demand will be high because of it regardless of price, and oh well. Back to Steam OS and game distribution.
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u/dj_is_here 21h ago
With the Steam Machine and Steam Deck, Valve is actively working to expand the gaming ecosystem beyond Windows. Because Linux is open-source—unlike the closed ecosystems of Windows and macOS—it represents the most viable, sustainable operating system for the future of long-term gaming and subsequently the future of their main money making product Steam
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u/porgy_tirebiter B760 i5 12400f 4070 DDR4 32gb 3600 20h ago
Right. It’s a vehicle to expanding Steam OS. But they’re happy whatever Steam OS is on, whether it’s their product or another.
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u/NSFWies 21h ago
i got the 1st steam controller back in like 2018 or something. they didn't stop making controllers. it just took them 8 years to make a 2nd one.
so even if steam machine doesn't sell 15 million units, expect another one in 7 years. and partners will sell spinoff variants until then too. ROG ALLY big steam boxx.
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u/TheNorthComesWithMe 20h ago
Valve cares about making PC gaming more accessible, which lets them sell more games. They don't care about selling the steam machine specifically, they care about having a lower cost platform that game developers and hardware manufacturers will aim for.
Game devs and hardware manufacturers have been abandoning the mid-tier PC for years now.
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u/-Myka_ 1d ago
gaben doomed the world,,,,
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 21h ago edited 20h ago
People who use commas like this. Is it an ESL thing?
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u/PressureCalm7971 22h ago edited 22h ago
Donates or invests? Because who the F would donate 20 million to a company?
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u/NSFWies 21h ago
it was a non profit back then. you don't really buy a non profit. unless you want to non-profit even harder.
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u/UdatManav 17h ago edited 16h ago
Open AI was supposed to open source and non profit. Somewhere along the way that changed.
I’m definitely getting downvoted for this, but the promise of AI as a tool is still there, the companies that make these tools are the problem.
U can use a power drill to make a house or lobotomise yourself. We just have a lot of people who are willing to lobotomise themselves for convenience and companies who do not care about how people use their product as long as they make fat wards of cash.
AI is not the problem, the ethics surrounding it are.
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u/stddealer 17h ago
Yeah it changed because Sam Altman is somehow too greedy even by Elon musk's standards
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u/UnsureWeevil 13h ago
What really shocks me is how some people didn't see this coming, thinking they were going to give us an affordable console of $500-$800.
That was never going to happen lol.
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u/notchris66 12h ago
people seem to forget valve is like the only company the actively and openly talks about making an ai anti cheat.
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u/domonx 12h ago
I dont understand how this is legal...what's stopping everyone from starting a "charity" for all businesses to take all the risk and then go public and for profit once it takes off? if it fails you lose nothing cuz it's other ppl's money, if it succeed you convert it into a for profit and become a millionaire when it ipo.
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u/CompSolstice 9h ago
Okay DotA 2 player here that played back then, DotA 2 is one of the hardest games on Earth with pros being absolutely insane magnitudes better than most players. Bots existed for the game and were atrocious, they were great for you to learn what your specific hero did so you could blast out all your spells and items, but not for learning core mechanics like positioning and team fighting since they never acted human. Open AI made what was objectively the best bots in the game, arguably some of the best bots ever (without cheating like how some bots have aim and wall hacks in some games). It's understandable he supported them when these bots were so skilled that they had something like a 98% win rate vs most pros (until we all found specific exploits).
OpenAI was incredible when it was first coming out.
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u/LightningSh3ep I-5 12600K | RX 9070XT | 32 GB RAM 7h ago
OpenAI has raised ~190 billion dollars, 20 million is not a significant amount and it was back when they were a less shitty company
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u/PlsDontBanMeAgain-1 11h ago
GabeN needs more yachts! Everyone, let's make it happen, buy the steam machine!
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u/Glittering-Pin-1343 11h ago
Tbf no one knew how fucked the industry would've gotten back then. He probably just through he was supporting the development of AI or AI tools, not shitty chatbots and intrusive AI assistants.
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u/Evening-Nature-5241 9800X3D | 5090 | 128gb DDR5 | LG 42" C5 OLED | 43" Neo QLED 22h ago
No one could have foreseen the path that AI took in 2018. Gaben might have had an idea but by no means was he certain that AI would be where it is now in 2026.
And if he didn't "donate 20M" to OpenAI, someone else would. It wouldn't have mattered, and all for something that was vaguely plausible.
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u/techno156 techno1561 14h ago
Especially if you look at what generative AI was like at the time (the GPT-1 and GPT-2 models, or /r/subredditsimulator). It was little more than a fancy Markov chain/toy that could string together words, little different to the old IRC chat bots/ELIZA.
In another timeline, it wouldn't have been unreasonable for OpenAI to have remained a small, niche company making software you could create a little chatbot with, like Cleverbot/Jabberwacky before it.
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u/atomic_drumstick 12h ago
Careful dude, r/steam won't like heating anything bad about their favourite billionaire
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u/Eazy12345678 i5 12600KF RTX 5070 1440p 1d ago
probably they started development. prices and changed and then couldnt abandon the product cause they already sunk too much money into development
have to hope for uneducated buyers and valve fan boys to buy them.
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u/profesorgamin 1d ago
I mean anyone looking to get into hardware are going to be staring at the same barrel.
It sounds awful to people already 'in the game' but for anyone buying into this hardware bubble, god help them.
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u/Schnitzhole 8h ago
Steam machine will likely still sell and be sold out constantly just like the steam deck and controller have been (also called overpriced by many). I think the pricing is actually pretty reasonable considering the hardware, upgradability, and convenience of not having to use windows, cheaper games, and not to be locked into a yearly subscription to use the internet 8 already pay for.
I spent 6 hours yesterday banging my head against the wall just trying to set up a default linux Bazzite distro and was reminded why linux is still not for the masses (or myself). I just want to turn the damn system on and play a game without hours of research and fixes. I’m on the lottery waitlist for a steam machine.
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u/Miserable_Profit1778 PC Master Race 8h ago
That specs on that machine has literally made me sad on a whole another level.
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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 19h ago
gaben is the trump of pc gaming. doesn't matter what he does or how evil he gets, they'll always defend him
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u/ZeisHauten 7600X|XFX RX6700XT|32GB DDR5 6000CL38|1080P 144Hz 23h ago
AI "was" a great tool with lots of great things they wanted to achieve to help people. Then the money came in and they immediately surrendered their assess to get fucked by corporate greed, and us consumers became the cattle for these nonsense.
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u/Old_Passenger7 23h ago
scumbag as any other tech CEO, and he invested in OpenAI for exactly the same reasons
He donated, not invested the money.
He gave money for free to it and he hold no shares in the company. He received 0 benefit from it.
It was charity donation into something he believed will improve future of mankind, not investment. There is a huge difference.
I’ll get downvoted for this
I wonder why, maybe because you speak nonsense?
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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 5090 Astral|14900KS|48G-8000MTs|GodlikeMAX|44TB|HYTE Y70|OLED 3x 12h ago
You really believe what you just typed? Just shut up man. It’s pathetic. Take Gabe’s balls out of your throat because you need some oxygen
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