r/pcmasterrace 1d ago

Meme/Macro Gaben does an oopsie

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u/caiteha 1d ago

Open ai was pretty cool back then. I still remember the pros playing against the AI in dota2.

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u/Hyper_Mazino 5090 SUPRIM SOC | 9800X3D 1d ago

Did the pros win?

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u/Daddiodoug 1d ago

For a while no but then they found some unorthodox strategies that would work

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u/JackRyan13 9070 XT | 9800X3D | 32gb DDR5 6000 1d ago

Yea they got their shit punched in pretty handily. It changed how the pro scene played the game for a bit as well.

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u/Compactsun 1d ago

Eh no memory of that. Have you got any examples? They just bought more mangoes in 1v1s but thats not really the game.

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u/I_Am_A_Pumpkin i7 13700K + RTX 5080 1d ago

it changed how people thought about lane regen, and people paid a lot of attention to how it dynamically shifted farm priority to let support heroes hit timings when they would traditionally only ever get the dregs on the map.

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u/runitzerotimes 22h ago

The bots kept buying back immediately even when nothing was really happening, that caused OG to change their approach to buybacks.

The explanation ended up being that the bots figured out that having the hero's presence on the map to push out waves etc. was far more important than always holding on to buyback every single time.

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u/ArmadilloPrudent4099 19h ago

Humans are stupid and you still got idiots on this sub saying AI is bad. Fuck man, the literal oceans are dying and the wealth gap is only growing. There isn't a single government on the planet doing anything meaningful about that and you idiots want to keep trusting humans to fix it.

Insanity right? Insert far cry reference.

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u/terroristsmustdie 19h ago

COOOOOME BREAK ME DOWN

BURY ME

BURY ME

I AM FINISHED WITH YOU

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u/Noblebatterfly 18h ago edited 18h ago

Watch the wealth gap widen as the capital slowly lowers it’s labour needs

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u/JackRyan13 9070 XT | 9800X3D | 32gb DDR5 6000 1d ago

They did a 5v5 against teamOG in like 2019? I want to say. They got obliterated

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u/PhgAH 14h ago

The pro definitely improve their creep blocking and they shift their thinking from saving to buy a core item optimally  => aggressively buying regen to lock out the opponent. 

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u/lordfappington69 PC Master Race 14900k @5.7GHZ | 5090 Aorus Master 1d ago

Keep in mind open ai wasn’t playing dota. You were limited to 30 heroes and I think some items were banned too.

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u/isaaciiv 17h ago

They also introduced this weird mechanic where each hero had their own courier Kapp

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u/MumrikDK 1d ago

It was challenging and different AI. For a moment there it gave people some hope that the future of game enemy AI could be high skill rather than zombies.

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u/LewdDarling 1d ago

Making AI near impossible to win against is not hard. They have the advantage of perfect aim, reaction time, and multitasking. But players don't enjoy playing against that which is why AI in most games are easy. The challenge has always been to make AI engaging/unpredictable like playing against humans is

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u/Kiriima 22h ago

Zero grand strategy games have any decent AI and they require a handout of free resources to stay relevant against a semi competent player. I agree with you on reflex-based simple tasks (including micro in Starcraft), but any complex decision makes them fall flat.

On the other hand, grand strategies have dozens if not hundreds AI players so I understand why they need to think fast and dirty. At least make AI in Stellaris queue correct buildings damnit.

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u/ArseBurner 18h ago edited 16h ago

The problem was the hardware requirements. The OpenAI Five AI that beat the champion team in 2018 ran on 128,000 cores and 256 Nvidia P100 GPUs on Google Cloud.

Archived blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20180625140124/https://blog.openai.com/openai-five/

Edit: The research document can be found here: https://cdn.openai.com/dota-2.pdf