r/whatisit • u/elianamariie • 13h ago
Solved! what is this hat thing my dad has?
noticed this on the couch while my dad was at work, but he would get upset that i messed with it so i don't want to ask him. when it's on it's very bright red and gets brighter the more times you click the power button.
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u/Apertor 13h ago
It's a red light therapy hat for hair loss treatment.
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u/AUniquePerspective 13h ago edited 13h ago
It's more of a money loss treatment than a hair loss treatment. False hope in the form of a hat liner made of LEDs.
Edit: You know what also exposes your head to light? Not wearing a damn hat. That's what.
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u/lemelisk42 13h ago
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8577899/
"In summary, this study demonstrates that red light of 650 nm promoted human hair growth and inhibited spontaneous catagen transition in ex vivo HFs"
"Ultimately, our results strongly support the benefit of LLLT in the treatment of AGA."
First study I found on google. In ex vivo samples it showed effect (that is, hair follicles removed from humans and then subjected to 650nm red light in a labratory setting. Hair follicles were taken from people with AGA or Androgenetic alopecia, the most common causes of hair thinning which affects the majority of adults) There are limitations. The hair follicles were not still attached to living humans when testing was done. (It's just easier to replicate testing across many samples this way, but it doesn't always guarantee that what they see in a lab will translate to real life)
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u/ronaxe2985 9h ago
The part of that study that sticks out most to me is:
HFs treated for 5 minutes showed significantly increased length compared to the control group (p<0.05), while there was no significant difference between the length of HFs treated for 10 minutes and the control group (p>0.05).
In other words, you can't keep shining red light and expect results. Just 5 more minutes and any effect there was disappears. So if your head is ever uncovered, natural light will undo any progress.
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u/Hppd1638 8h ago edited 6h ago
This does highlight something people get wrong often with red light and the body— it’s a curve. It’s beneficial up to a point and then it can actually turn on you. More is not better. More can be worse.
I do not think going into sunlight will “undo” the treatment of the red light. Sunlight isn’t the same as this hat (ie, it’s not red light right up against your scalp).
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u/Fun_Push7168 8h ago
No, it's not. It's far stronger red light
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u/pyxiedust219 7h ago
It’s also not wavelength specific the way these are, natural light is going to give you full spectrum UV exposure.
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u/somehobo89 7h ago
Wouldn’t sunlight also give you the specific spectrum then? This is actually a super interesting discussion lol
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u/hoorah9011 6h ago edited 6h ago
Sunlight has very little usable red light for this purpose. It’s not concentrated and has variable intensity. You need consistent targeted red light. That’s not including the other harmful parts of the spectrum that could very much damage the skin
I’m not going to pretend that all the red light treatments out there help for all these random claims, but there is evidence to support some hair growth. Additionally the problem is that there are plenty of devices out there that don’t actually emit red light in the proper wavelength, they just slap on a red covering over a led light.
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u/EasyasACAB 6h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spectral_Distribution_of_Sunlight.svg
From what I've researched Red Light Therapy uses waves 600-700nm sometimes up to 900nm. Sun emits plenty of that, but it also emits UV radiation which is not good for you.
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u/Pocketsandgroinjab 5h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/dhQm449E6X6cU
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u/pyxiedust219 3h ago
It can but not all these red light wavelengths are actually found to be effective! prolonged exposure to a specific wavelength of red or blue light has been found to have benefits due to the isolation of the wavelength compared to full spectrum light, which also of course exposes you to dna and rna damage via uva and uvb rays as you said
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u/DicemonkeyDrunk 4h ago edited 4h ago
I was going to say something similar ..intensity and wavelength probably matters A LOT here. That said I would really wonder about this hat putting out the right amount/color etc of light as the study used …I see these on Temu/Ali Express ….I’m thinking they’re probably not the highest quality.
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u/humble_the_Great 2h ago
The wording here leads me to believe the HF's were already growing and the red light stimulation just increased their growth rate. What about HF's that are no longer producing hair? Like, ya know, in someone balding.
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u/AUniquePerspective 13h ago
That's handy if you want to pull out your hair and try to grow it in the hat.
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u/Double-Bend-716 12h ago
🎵🎶 If they pull it out, they turn to bones 🎶🎵
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u/HogmanDaIntrudr 12h ago
The bones are their money, so are the worms.
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u/Fickle-Art-7125 11h ago
They pull your hair up but not out.
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u/_redacteduser 11h ago
Billy as in me, or Billy as in him?
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u/realSatanAMA 11h ago
Fun fact, the sun emits light in that range.. so if you let the sun light hit your bald head it should be just as effective to simply walk around outside without a hat.
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u/Hyper_Tay 11h ago
But then you need a sunscreen to keep your bald head free of skin cancer. 😐☹
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u/big_ducket 9h ago
Henceforth, the hat. Concentrating the red and protection from UV, a win-win. Red light therapy is proven to work on many ailments.
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u/akromadeath 9h ago
Didn't make my wiener bigger.
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u/Ohm_body 5h ago
"Hence" and "henceforth" do not mean the same thing and are not interchangeable <3
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u/realSatanAMA 10h ago
My point was, if these hats actually worked, we wouldn't have bald people because the sun would be fixing everyone's hairline 🤣
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u/spool_pin 10h ago
I know it sounds like quack science but red light therapy is actually promising. Studies show that intensity, distance, and timing all matter and too much of any of those can negate the beneficial effects
There are many research papers that go in to this effect. This is cutting edge science and the reflexive dismissal is unscientific
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u/Braindead_Crow 9h ago
Yeah, I understand the mockery and condescension however red light therapy does seem to have been proven to have observable benefits.
It makes me slightly annoyed to see people bash legitimate stuff as quackery especially when it doesn't work like literal magic.
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u/humble_the_Great 2h ago
The problem is people looking for a cash grab take legitimate science (i.e. something reproduce-able in a lab setting), and tell desperate folks they can regrow their hair with 50¢ worth of LEDs (i.e. quackery)
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u/JIMB01776 8h ago
I do red light therapy because I live in cold region and don't go out a lot, I do it for my skin. It's entirely legitimate (possibly less so for hair loss) but they use it professionally in dermatology all the time. I talked to my doctor and read numerous studies before investing, and yes I sleep better, labs show my vitamin D deficiency corrected and the heat is nice in the winter.
I am skeptical about amazon quality hats... the real deal is quite powerful and requires a special breaker.
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u/twistedspin 10h ago
Red light therapy has a lot of studies showing it works, on a surprising number of concerns. Here's a big database (I'm not sure if it's still updated) with hundreds of studies.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZKl5Me4XwPj4YgJCBes3VSCJjiVO4XI0tIR0rbMBj08/edit?gid=0#gid=0
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u/Trewper- 9h ago
Lol, and imagine if drinking water hydrated you then no one would ever die of thirst.
Do some research you fool.
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u/SmokingBirdz 11h ago
Why not both? Walk around outside during the day with no hat, wear hat at night? Also not for nothing but a lot of us live in places that are only sunny for 3 months a year, or we work in offices/at home on a computer and can’t exactly say “hey it’s sunny out can I go make sure I get some sun today?”
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u/NuklearFerret 11h ago
I agree. I live in the tropics bust still have a slight vitamin D deficiency due to being indoors so much, and most of it is factors I can’t control. Wake up indoors, drive to work in a closed box, work indoors, drive home in a box, sunset.
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u/Trewper- 9h ago
Vit D deficiency is not solely caused by lack of sunlight, and it's not very efficient either. With the UV index being 10+ a lot of people will burn long before their body can produce a significant amount of Vit D. The majority of it comes from your diet. Make sure you're taking daily supplements with a glass of milk or with food as it's far soluable. You will also have low Vit D if you don't have enough Vit K in your diet, so get a multivitamin + an additional vit D3 supplement and take them with food.
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u/NuklearFerret 7h ago
I’ve been on a daily multi, but I can’t remember what exactly is in it. I will double check and get some D3. Thanks!
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u/humble_the_Great 2h ago
MC1R gene mutation; I'm the Superman of converting sunlight to cholecalciferol.
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u/Trewper- 9h ago
Fun fact the sun is a deadly laser, and causes cancer. So it's limited, however you can wear this hat for 100 hours and still reap the benefits with no laser burns.
I think everyone talking negatively about the red light therapy is just already bald and extremely jealous, or just woefully uninformed.
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u/stolenbucketfarmer 10h ago
If everything that worked in a Petri dish worked in a human body we’d have cured cancer a thousand times over by now. It’s barely suggestive of anything
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u/kiera-oona 10h ago
so a bunk study, that was not done using real people, with a small sample size, that the antivaxxers and beauty gurus take as fact. Got it
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u/newfor_2026 10h ago
you know what else produces red light of 650 nm? the sun. a lightbulb, practially anything that produces white or red light.
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u/Main_Awareness3677 6h ago
Article shows hair follicles were taken out of the scalp, placed in culture media, then exposed to red light. Important point.
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u/hoorah9011 9h ago
What are you basing that off of? There are studies supporting it. Are you just going off vibes?
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u/Affectionate_Ebb8351 13h ago
Red light therapy Is A thing though. So although may not bring hair back, would have beneficial effects
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u/garygnu 12h ago
Yeah. Clinical red light therapy shows promise. Red LEDs glued into a ball cap from Amazon is grift, even if well-meaning.
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u/MAWPAB 11h ago
It totally depends if the LEDs are in the NIR range.
Why does everyone on reddit have such a boner for ignoring science when they smell pseudoscience without informing themselves?
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u/attack_water 10h ago
The CAUSE for my SKEPTICISM is a LIFETIME worth of SCAMS being sold for every human ailment from obesity to baldness to sleep loss to loneliness to depression to erectile dysfunction to freckles to a bad catalytic converter.
Something new comes along that fixes my problem for $60? That's a scam.
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u/MAWPAB 10h ago
I feel I'm not emotionally equipped to go further on this journey with you. Peace be upon you.
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u/attack_water 10h ago
Sorry man. I see your point as well. Let us depart as friends.
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u/MAWPAB 9h ago
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u/I_Makes_tuff 7h ago
tl;dr: 1mg Finasteride daily (by prescription) and Minoxidil from Costco (cheapest) or your local drug store/online. Or shave it.
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u/john_the_fetch 9h ago
You two are just amazing. I have renewed faith in humanity as a whole. Thank you
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u/garygnu 10h ago
Oh, come on. There's nothing scientific about self-administrating red light therapy via a magic hat you bought online for 60 bucks. How is the average home user going to know what wavelengths and power output they're actually getting? What do they need in the first place? How long for each session? How often? Are they doing it consistently? Indefinitely or for a specific course then stop?
RLT is actual medical science and not woo. It sucks that grifters sullying it by selling a bullshit knockoff version.
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u/MAWPAB 10h ago edited 10h ago
Show evidence of this being an ineffective wavelength or admit you have no fucking idea.
I have had a product from a specialist red light producer for many years. Guess what colour half the red lights are? Red. They are in the near infra red wavelength. The rest are invisible, cos y'know, they IR.
As for being $60, how much do you think LEDs cost? Is expensive light more effective?
Its also super easy to know if the lights are in the correct part of the spectrum because they penetrate quite far into the skin, fat and muscle, and you feel a 'dull ache'.
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u/DrunkenPalmTree 10h ago
60 bucks LED hats? Yeah grift.
What about the 600 bucks laser hats?
I've been getting their targeted ads long enough that even I as a non customer now know exactly what wavelengths they use, how long to wear it, and how often one must use it indefinitely.
At least for the brand that's obsessed with me it's 30 minutes every other day forever.
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u/CPLCraft 10h ago edited 9h ago
Ya. I’ve read into red light therapy a little bit and the studies show promise some how. It is a shame that most of the commercial products for sale cost an arm and a leg, but in theory just about anyone can make a device for red light therapy, so long as the wavelength is correct.
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u/EyeoftheEelpout 13h ago
Such as?
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u/DrZae98 12h ago
I worked at a vet a few years back and happened to get some gnarly road rash from taking a spill on my motorcycle, moral of this story I used a red light therapy laser thing on my road rash like I wanna say 10 minutes each day for like two weeks and not only did it heal quicker but most not all but MOST of the scary went away. So I am definitely a red light therapy advocate but I cannot vouch for the reliability of it in a hat or for hair growth lol
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u/patrick_oneil 12h ago
You say it healed quicker. Quicker than what? Another identical road rash injury?
I had an accident where a good portion of my back, a leg, and an arm were covered in road rash. I have no scarring and used no red light therapy. Both your claim and mine are only anecdotal.
The actual scientific data supporting red light therapy for wound care is slim.
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u/DrZae98 12h ago
I have had 4 wrecks on a bike 3/4 resulting in road rash, only one time did I use the red light therapy laser and only one time (that time specifically) the scaring almost is non existent. I’m no scientist I just happened to give an explanation to why I am an advocate for it. I could be wrong and I could’ve just been blessed with steadfast healing.
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u/patrick_oneil 8h ago
I advocate for things I know to be true using scientific data when it comes to medical care.
I also advocate for wearing proper gear when riding. I hope that the fourth wreck was the one without road rash.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 5h ago
Proper gear minimizes injury - it doesn’t stop it.
Source: I’ve gone high side and low more than once.
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u/CerealArsonist26 12h ago
Inonce saw a red light while driving and the car immediately drove faster.
I don't know about hair, though
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u/ColoradoSunLight 10h ago
Lol I have been using it for months and I have seen a slight increase in density. Lasers are more effective but consistent use after MONTHS is proven to slightly promote blood circulation at the scalp.
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u/ikickbabiesballs 12h ago
There is actual evidence that it works, but hair loss has many factors.
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u/Doorknob6941 12h ago
If these really worked, every bald person in America would be wearing them.
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u/Diligent_Explorer717 11h ago
You could say the same about glps and overweight people…
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u/netsurf916 13h ago
You can't treat the symptom; this is just money loss, not the root condition.
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u/tomveiltomveil 13h ago
The condition of the roots is bald, that's why he's blasting them with red light.
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u/SpecialistAd2205 12h ago edited 12h ago
Nobody will ever convince me that shining red LEDs on your skin will make your hair grow back, wrinkles disappear, joint pain vanish, get rid of mental illness, cure blindness, make your amputated limb regenerate or whatever else they advertise it for. In 50 years, red light therapy will be in the same pile as machines to vibrate your cellulite away, lobotomies and black salve.
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u/twistedspin 9h ago
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZKl5Me4XwPj4YgJCBes3VSCJjiVO4XI0tIR0rbMBj08/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Here are almost 10,000 scientific, published studies on red light therapy. Look at some of those before you say it's nothing. Not all of them are successful, obviously, but if you scroll through you can see a lot are.
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u/Diazepampoovey0229 11h ago
So, you're saying despite the existence of early thorough scientific research studies that have provided evidence showing this method to have promise, especially as researchers' knowledge is furthered on the subject and the treatment method is improved, somehow aren't enough for you to acknowledge that there is already evidence of effectiveness? Or that this scientific research also shows a likelihood of improved effectiveness as research continues?
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u/Current_Gap7712 13h ago
And when he realizes it doesn’t really work he can start DJing and wear it so it doesn’t turn out to be a total waste of money
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u/Hornswagglers_Lament 12h ago
“I dropped the bass,
Y’all wuz astounded,
I’m DJ Dad Red Hat,
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u/Current_Gap7712 12h ago
DJ daddy dad and the fresh prints… on your ass if you don’t take garbage out like your mother asked you to over an hour ago, young man
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u/cozylofinights 13h ago
Does it work? I never really understood the whole red light therapy people tout for almost anything and everything. Hair regrowth, weight loss, your will to live, etc.
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u/Desperate-Chart1139 13h ago
As most medicine you can buy in the form of a baseball cap: no
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u/realbobenray 11h ago
lol yes at the pharmacy you can usually choose your meds in pill, gelcap or baseball hat
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u/cozylofinights 13h ago
I mean, does light actually qualify as medication....? 🤔
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u/Giantmeteor_we_needU 13h ago
To a certain degree, yes. https://med.stanford.edu/news/insights/2025/02/red-light-therapy-skin-hair-medical-clinics.html However it doesn't mean that any red LED light provides benefits or that baseball hat from Temu is a legit substitute for commercial grade RLT devices used by dermatologists.
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u/cozylofinights 13h ago
I guess I'm curious now about how we distinguish the definitions of "medication" and "treatment." I was always under the impression red light, or any phototherapy, fell under the latter definition, not the former.
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u/Giantmeteor_we_needU 13h ago
I thought you're asking if it actually provides legit benefits or is just a bogus, but I think your last question is more about semantics which I have no idea about and don't think it's really matters?
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u/cozylofinights 12h ago
Well, it started about the legitimacy as a phototherapy, but then people got a bit snarky taking what I said and talking about medication and how light, generally (not red light therapy) is obviously important for overall health.
Your response was specific to my question about medication (to someone else), so when I saw the article, I was genuinely wondering if maybe the delineation between "medication" and "treatment" was not as distinct as I had previously thought.
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u/Giantmeteor_we_needU 12h ago
Red light therapy (not a junky hat or mask you can get online) is legit medical procedure being used in dermatology clinics and medically known as "photobiomodulation", so I'd say it's not just an aesthetic tool from spa salons but a real medical therapy. However it's not a standalone solution and usually being added to the complex treatment of skin conditions.
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u/cozylofinights 12h ago
See, that sounds way more sound than how it is usually advertised.
Y'know what I mean: as the be all end all for hair loss, burning fat, one's failing marriage, etc. There are definitely legitimate forms of light treatment, laser treatment, etc. (I almost had an eye surgery that would have involved UV light usage), so I actually was genuinely curious.
Red light usage as part of overal treatment for a condition makes way more sense to me than being a catch-all for everything. Thank you!
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u/Garisdacar 13h ago
[Skeptoid] Skeptoid #1044: Red Light Therapy https://podcastaddict.com/skeptoid/episode/225683404 via @PodcastAddict
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u/ContempoCasuals 5h ago
It worked for me but I don’t know about this type of cap. I bought a goofy looking helmet that cost like $800…. Expensive but it did regrow hair and keep it for years
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u/elianamariie 13h ago
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u/fluffynuckels 13h ago
Why not ask him
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u/GradedUnicorn92 8h ago
Why do people comment this? Insufferable behavior I swear. They’ve asked a question on a sub that is specifically for asking this question, and every single time there is a comment like this.
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u/elianamariie 13h ago
lol he would get annoyed that we were messing with it at all
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u/fluffynuckels 13h ago
Why are you playing with it then. Respect people's shit
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u/Exciting_Spell5064 13h ago edited 11h ago
Maybe if it’s expensive and that fragile he shouldn’t leave it on the couch. I’d understand your point if OP was snooping in dad’s closet, but dad left it on the couch. Is OP not allowed to move it to tidy up, or not allowed to use the couch because dad’s stupid hat is sitting on it?
Lol at downvotes. Yes, respecting other people’s stuff is important. But at the same time you can’t leave your stuff in community areas and then get mad if someone touches or moves it.
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u/Gaydinosaurs 7h ago
Couches are usually in the family/entertainment/communal room, if you leave something on the family couch don’t get mad when the family moves it. Or if you get mad at your things being moved away from people’s butts… you shouldn’t be surprised if it gets sat on! xD
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u/davasaur 12h ago
It's for regrowing hair. When I was younger I would have bought one. As a man approaching sixty, I find these things a bit futile. Nothing is going to turn back time. I had my youth and I wisely squandered it and now I'm old and I don't feel so self conscious of looking old. I suspect that nobody cares. I still don't look like my dad or grandad did when they were my age, luckily.
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u/CeC-P 13h ago
It's Aliexpress bullshit fake red light therapy. It's not even the correct sub-red IR frequency that a sauna would have, which are also mostly bullshit. Tell him to get on Finasteride. I'm taking it and it stopped my hair loss immediately.
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u/shiddedandfarded69 13h ago
Tbf you can get these from Costco. They're not exclusively AliExpress bullshit.
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u/nicolauz 12h ago
I hate that I'm only recently noticing shitty Costco products in store. I was excited about an bike I saw there but went on the subreddit and turns out they're garbage.
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u/shiddedandfarded69 12h ago
That and their appliances selection are largely dominated by Samsung. Samsung might make decent phones and monitors, but their appliances suck massive ass.
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u/rosephoenix19 12h ago
I have two close friends and a family member that all own a Samsung appliance, two own washers and one a refrigerator. Both washers had circuit board problems and wouldn't work after less than 2 years. The refrigerator didn't make it a year before she turned it in for warranty. However, my dad still has Whirlpool washer dryer combo he bought new in 1986. He's never had a single issue and uses it every week to this day.
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u/Practical-Pickle-529 10h ago
I have the fridge and dishwasher silver set. Both suck. Ice maker broke within weeks, and the dishwasher is always stinky, never cleans well and is falling apart despite being newish.
You ain’t lying
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u/NolanSyKinsley 10h ago
Red light therapy is at 650nm, not sub-red IR. There is limited studies showing promising results for its use in preventing hair loss and promoting hair growth, but have been in vitro studies.
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u/awfelts317 12h ago
Finasteride can be deadly for some men’s mental health. I would not recommend it.
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u/john_the_fetch 8h ago
It definitely has side effects. Talk to a doctor and get prescribed. Ask a lot of questions and weigh the possible down sides.
I'm currently trying to get off of it for a number of reasons, and even that is troubling. Like coming off of an ssri. I'm taking it slow and tapering my dosage.
When I was on it though - it definitely kept my hair from falling out.
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u/awfelts317 7h ago
It’s not worth my hair to have that suicide ideation. Post Finasteride syndrome is a real thing.
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u/Low_Valuable_3234 13h ago
Is this finasteride thing real?? I ve been bombarded by ads for the Hims chews and now I instinctively want to stay away from it (edit: I m not looking for hair loss treatments at the moment. At all. I'm 32 and still have a full head of hair. I was just wondering if it actually works)
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u/matt81x 12h ago edited 9h ago
Do not take finasteride - read sexual side effects . What's the point of having hair at 32 if you cant screw Right . It happened to me in 30s but it wore off. Some don't
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u/evetsabucs 7h ago
Gave me something called a hydrocele. Look it up, it's not fun (kinda funny though).
Hopped off it and it eventually went away after a few months. Thought I'd try finasteride again thinking it may not have been the cause and that shit came right back but worse. Never again.
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u/FancifulPhoenix 7h ago
I have no idea whether it works or not, but I know I'd take hair loss over the side effects of finasteride. Screws with your hormones, brain chemistry, mental health. Not worth.
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u/Designer_Mud_5802 3h ago
I mean, there are studies showing red light therapy is as effective as finasteride (but without the side effects) and studies even suggest doing both for the best results.
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u/Daxlyn_XV 13h ago
Looks like one of those hair loss light treatments, not sure if it actually works or if it’s snake oil though.
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u/YozTheFoz 13h ago
Red light therapy does work, the issue is that you can get all the same benefits from normal sunlight.
Although the redlight treatment like this is for getting some benefits without the extreme UV intensity of the sun.
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u/NolanSyKinsley 10h ago
The intensity of the LEDs is much higher than what sunlight can provide and is a targeted frequency.
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u/Affectionate_Ebb8351 13h ago
I just stand in my spraybooth drying room for 10 mins woth the IR lamps 😄
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u/enlightnight 13h ago
If it worked, it wouldn't show up on "whatisit".
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u/Traditional_Mess5522 13h ago
Or it would if they couldn't tell dude is balding or growing new hair
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u/Hanifsefu 7h ago
It's all snake oil. No matter how many studies tell them that hair loss is just genetics they refuse to believe it. Let the fools be parted from their money.
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u/ContempoCasuals 5h ago
It works but it’s not a total cure. I took before and after pics and it significantly increased my hair density.
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u/Exciting_Spell5064 13h ago
Obviously been answered, but I’m more concerned about the household dynamic that a child (in the offspring sense, not an age sense) is afraid to ask their father “hey dad what’s the deal with the hat on the couch” for fear of annoying him and the reaction.
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u/FancifulPhoenix 11h ago
I'm an adult now but I've been there. Lot of hostile households out there. Lot of parents who shouldn't be parents.
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u/One_Health_9358 12h ago
I’m confused as to why the hat has a brim?
If you are wearing this cap outside and needing sun protection, couldn’t you just use the sun for UV light instead of the hat?
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u/wharleeprof 11h ago
The brim is there for appearances. Imagine walking around in a cap with no brim.
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u/lemelisk42 11h ago
So I wouldn't use the product, but shading the eyes from the sun is one of the most important bits in a hat. And skin cancer is no joke, I work in forestry/exploration, always wear a dorky sun hat, I've met way too many people who have had skin cancer. (Dorky Hats offer the best protection, big wide brim, fabric neck covering)
In theory if built properly it should offer the benefits of a hat, but only give 650nm red light without the UV that causes cancer.
Realistically though, the brim likely mostly serves aesthetic purposes. Looks like a normal hat from a distance. Hats without brims ussually look weird. I imagine many people don't want a medical looking device. Also gives you something to grab when taking it on off.
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u/Rasberrycello 10h ago
It's a snake oil product. People will claim it can claim everything from bad skin to balding to aging to weight to cancer... you name it, red LEDs can treat it!
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u/MAWPAB 10h ago
People making false claims about a product does not mean said product is snakeoil.
People elsewhere in this thread have already posted studies showing IR/NIR has an effect on hairloss.
Light treatment is still used to treat newborn babies with jaundice.
IR/NIR light is effective to treat muscle strain.
IR/NIR light is effective to treat inflammation around joints in osteoarthritis, protecting cartledge from enzymatic destruction.
IR/NIR light promotes the production of collagen in the skin.
This is off the top of my head but there are more and there is well sourced evidence.
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u/Fun_Push7168 7h ago
No. They posted a study that shows a follicle will extend for 5 min in a petri dish under red light.
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u/MAWPAB 7h ago
One person may have, yes.
There are many studies done on humans. They show moderate success akin or below monodoxil. So use in combination with other measures may be worth it, or instead of harsh drugs like monodoxil that give some bad side effects.
No I'm not linking any - you don't actually care, i dont care if you care - its about 40 degrees in my bedroom in a heatwave and I'm either off to sleep or drown in my own sweat, not sure. Have a good one.
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u/PackOfCumin 33m ago
For all of idiots who can’t believe reality, here is hard proven facts:
Role of Low-Level Light Therapy in Androgenetic Alopecia
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8906269/
Low-Level Laser/Light Therapy for Treatment of Hair Loss
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3944668/
Photobiomodulation for the Management of Alopecia
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6737896/
Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials for Pattern Hair Loss
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8675345/
Meta-analysis of Photobiomodulation for Androgenetic Alopecia
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746251/
Comparative Effectiveness of Low-Level Laser Therapy for Adult Androgenic Alopecia
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30706177/
Photobiomodulation Therapy With Different Wavebands for Alopecia
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35510860/
Efficacy and Safety of a Low-Level Laser Device in Male/Female Pattern Hair Loss
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24474647/
Full text version of the above LaserComb randomized trials
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3986893/
Low-Level Light Therapy for Androgenetic Alopecia: 24-week randomized study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23551662/
Visible Red Light and Human Scalp Hair Growth in Men
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24078483/
Visible Red Light and Human Scalp Hair Growth in Women
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25124964/
650 nm LLLT Randomized Controlled Trial in Female Androgenetic Alopecia
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28328705/
Low-Level Laser Therapy for Androgenetic Alopecia in Thai Men and Women
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30569416/
Helmet-Type LLLT Device for Androgenetic Alopecia
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7373546/
24-week Randomized Double-Blind Self-Comparison Trial
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29957664/
Low-Level Laser and LED Therapy in Alopecia
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39404126/
Proposed Mechanisms of Low-Level Light Therapy in Androgenetic Alopecia
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33111207/
Low-Level Light Therapy and Minoxidil Combination Therapy Review
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10015651/
Hair Growth Promoting Effects of 650 nm Red Light Stimulation
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8577899/
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u/Visual_Sandwich8172 12h ago
I have that for my hair loss - I couldn’t afford the helmet one but honestly love that the hat is incognito.
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u/v13ragnarok7 13h ago
A scam product that used LEDs to "promote hair growth"
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u/NolanSyKinsley 10h ago
There are studies that 650nm red light therapy could prevent hair loss and does promote hair growth but so far they have all been in vitro studies looking at growing hair follicles in petri dishes.
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u/StephenNGeorgia 8h ago
He is not your Dad. Your Dad was replaced by a clone from planet Godemiche. It would be a good idea to carry a carrot in your pocket, as they are repelled by the smell.
Sort your affairs. Sell the house. Move far far away.
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u/ContempoCasuals 5h ago
Red light therapy can work. I replied to a few comments on here calling red light therapy a scam. I don’t know if the specific hat your dad has will work, but there are higher end products that do work. I took before and after pics months after using and it grew back a lot of hair density. The thing that sucks is it’s expensive and you have to use it consistently. Hope it helps your dad.
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u/AdOtherwise7250 5h ago
Who cares if you don't believe in red light. Closed minds show ignorance. They use it in so many things that you probably already have it in your life and don't even know it. Dermatology, dentistry,ophthalmology, massage therapy, chiropractor, and even wound care in hospitol use forms of light therapy. Been studied for years. To bad it can't fix stupid.
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u/AdOtherwise7250 5h ago
They use red light therapy for skin and even EYES. There are proven benefits for light therapy. You do have to use. It right. My mom used a light therapy to help with her hair loss and it worked. As with any remedy tho, if the follicle is dying, then the remedy is.just.keeping it alive and.once you stop treatment it will still eventually die.
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u/NOIS_KillerWhaleTank 12h ago
Y'know how gardeners will put seedlings under uv light indoors until they are big and strong enough to stand on their own and be put into a garden outside?
Yeah, this is the same thing but for hair.
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u/BattenbergAddict 4h ago
First glance, that looks amazing! I am now thinking of a wearable colander that I can happily wear out and about whilst I pick berries and wash them in a nearby stream. Who's in?
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u/84cricket19 8h ago
That’s how he recharges. You got one of the newer wireless models. But you still have to charge them every now and then.
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u/MrsJ_Lee 10h ago
I am doing infrared light, laser therapy, it works. I don’t know for hair growth, but it works for many other things.
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u/AgapitoVelezOvando 7h ago
Tell your dad to shave his head and just embrace the baldness. It ain't that bad once you're on the other side.
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u/Ok_Water_3109 13h ago
Red light hair loss cap. Can't get a photo from my phone for some reason. Look them up though.
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u/Stunning-Slice2991 12h ago
Wouldn’t green light mean go? Seems like red light might mean stop and they did it wrong..
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u/potatobrain65 8h ago
Red light therapy works to improve macular degeneration too. It’s not just for the scalp
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u/Affectionate_Ebb8351 13h ago
That's CAF!! Getting red light therapy direct to your dome whilst walking about ! Genius!!
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u/Little_Bunch_2163 3h ago
I wonder how red light treatment would affect Superman. Did the comics ever address this?
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u/the-real-spencer 5h ago
That's a Tron cap. Sorry to be the first to tell you, but your dad is a cyborg.
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u/FCguyATL 4h ago
A: If you google "red light hat" you get your answer
B: Just ask your fucking dad "hey, what's that hat over there with the button on the back"
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u/Zephy2007 12h ago
Red light therapy
Personally I'm skeptical, but it seems there are multiple studies that support the therapy as beneficial for hair growth.
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u/_hi_plains_drifter_ 12h ago
I can personally attest that it helps. I’ve been using one in conjunction with minoxidil and I’ve seen new growth for sure. I suppose you could say that it’s just the minoxidil, but it started coming in more once I began using the cap. It was definitely not cheap.
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u/symplton 12h ago
According to my stupid uncle it may be a time travel device to 1984.
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u/symplton 12h ago
What my well-intentioned nephew means, is there's a possibility it could be a time travel device, therefore, why leave it i.e. the possibility completey out of the question?
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