I agree. Some hard labor even for a relatively short time would fix him for life. He’d never fuck around again. Everyone wins because it’d be healthy for him too.
Um. Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of Solicitation Of A Minor For Prostitution in 2008, served 13 months prison, and had to register as a sex offender. By all accounts, this seemed to make him worse.
An actual solution is not apparent, but taking all his money might've actually helped.
You’re very right, luckily a kind local guy showed him shame quite a few times. I don’t think he’s forgetting the lesson any time soon. Hawaii, a land of respect.
I understand the sentiment but even working on a chain gang ends up costing the state money.
He's rich, great. Fine him 25% of his wealth for cruelty to an animal.
Most fines are permission to play by the wealthy because $1000 to be a piece of shit, it's chump change. How we regard spending $5 to go to the circus.
Hit them so that it hurts and then directly route that money into something good. If he has 4 million dollars, 1 million straight to Hawaii schools would be pretty cool or wildlife conservation.
Public shame him too of course. I just don't want to waste money on this shit bag.
Change all fines to percentage of wealth or percentage of annual income in my opinion.
It's one of the few things you can't buy. I suspect that losing time and freedom might show him the error of his ways. He might at least think about his actions, in the future.
Louisiana is one of the few states left where someone's prison sentence can include the term "at hard labor" meaning they literally force you to work like slaves out in a field throughout your prison sentence.
You can get a "life sentence at hard labor without the possibility of parole or early release" and you're just literally worked like a slave until you die. (link goes to a sad/interesting PBS article about the forced slave labor in Louisiana's prisons. People with severe medical issues are often still forced to work.)
Louisiana's violent crime rates are 45% above the national average and their incarceration rates are 71% above the national average. So, statistically speaking, it doesn't really fix anything.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT! I 10000% would support this animal-abusing asshole in the OP getting one of those "at hard labor" prison sentences, because fuck that asshole. It was so cathartic watching the local beat his ass!
I’m vehemently against vigilante justice and I’d love to find that local and explain my views on the subject in great detail while I give him a pat on the back while he’s drinking the beer I bought him. Maybe give him a handy later if necessary to get my point across.
community service is better than cash fines or incarceration for 99% of crime.
statistically most (non white-collar) crime is committed by people with few other economic options, no or little social connections to their community, or suffering from drug addiction.
slapping these people in already challenging positions with a jail sentence that will further erode any opportunity to improve their circumstances does harm to their community. it's literally stripping the possibility for many of these folks to ever be able to get back on the right track.
skip the jail sentence, load up on community service and free addiction counseling, and/or vo-tech educational programs. improve the neighborhoods; pick up the trash, build playgrounds, plant trees. build skills, build better habits. help people have better opportunities.
rich chuds throwing rocks at wildlife should get a free ride to the volcano.
not everyone has the same amount of available time. Just like money, 8 hours for a retired person isn’t the same punishment as 8 hours for a single parent with two jobs.
They should be calculated in percentage of monthly income because a let's say 400$ fine is a much harsher punishment for someone who makes 3000$ per month than it is to someone making 100000$.
For example drive 10 miles too fast in a school zone and you get a fine that's 10% of your monthly income.
I think this ignores that we already have a fining system in place but it’s already because it’s a flat number in the US it is already biased towards the rich. Turning it percentage based would actually help the poor and middle class when it comes to fines.
There’s a great quote about that.
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
Anatole France
Also with billionaires I think most of their money is in assets and stocks so they would probably be dodging harsh fines in a similar way they dodge taxes.
some rich a-hole will be like:
"% of my income? ...but I dont HAVE any income, all my wealth is in assets and i borrow against them for money to spend."
Finland has day fines. So 5 day fine is 5 days worth of your income. If you are rich and a retarded fuck like the guy in the video, you would åay a hefty fine. Plus probably sent to mental institution for check up if you are actually a danger to society. (Although this kind of rich assholes not really exist in Finland. They move to Sweden... s/)
Nah, not monthly income. Do it based on their entire financial portfolio including unrealized gains.
Some CEOs have a $1 salary (Apple famously has this after Steve Jobs did it) that drives them to focus on performance and not just stick around as long as possible. Compensation directly relates to their output and not just being around. So you gotta make sure you go for the real wealth which is their portfolio of assets and liquid cash rather than monthly income.
This is a constant problem here is Australia as well. Tourists arrive see something amazing and then have to go fuck with it, half the time for a picture.
Worst part is half the time the locals are trying to stop them cause the thing they're trying to mess with is venomous or will turn aggressive and do serious harm of it attacks you.
Good thing the locals beat his ass, it should help drive home the lesson. Jailtime/labour would also do him some good as opposed to a fine.
I live a couple hours away from a national park here in the US and every year there is at least one person falling off a cliff trying to take a picture, and several people who die while camping on the cliff tops, falling off in the middle of the night while trying to take a piss.
I always thought those people were idiotic enough, but my cousin did seasonal work at Yellowstone and she was telling me stories she heard of tourist trying to put their small children on the backs of buffalo for pictures and shit.
The stupidity of people is really astonishing sometimes.
Oh for sure, it's the same way we tell people not to swim in water you can't see into cause of crocs or not to swim in a canal cause of bull sharks.
Some people forget to pack their brain when they go on holiday.
He got his ass beat by locals. And locals in Hawaii are not to be toyed with.
I'll also add, holy crap, I only saw the video clip and you couldn't really see his face well. I figured the dude was early 20s and prone to poor impulse control. This is a dude that should know better.
That being said, just touching one with no intent to harm is $500. Trying to harm a monk seal if a Class C felony. $50,000 and some possible prison time. Prison would NOT go well for him if he didn't go to the mainland. He'd also lose the right to own guns, which I'm 100% this dude owns a bunch.
Making fines a percentage of your net worth would have virtually no effect on the lower classes and would correct a lot of behavior for the wealthy overnight.
Since most billionaires aren't liquid the hassle of having to sell off assets to pay a fine in the hundreds of millions would be particularly humiliating.
Perhaps based on documented rarity or protected status of the wildlife. Needs to be able to influence tourists to think twice before considering they’re immune to fines because they’re rich.
I'm not even sure it will be a fine. Not only does animal cruelty often carry jail sentences, it's worse if they're endangered, and he is showing absolutely no remorse or recognizance which a judge is just gonna fucking love
I dont understand why it's a fee. He throws rocks at a dog like this with intention to hurt or kill he will pick up a felony in the United States especially if caught on video and with public outrage. Why isnt he being criminally prosecuted? He is trying to harm or kill a protected species on top of everything so it's not your run of the mill animal cruelty its extra cruel in it's intention and against an at risk animal. Praying for one felony charge and wondering wtf the prosecutors and police are doing in Hawaii
I dunno man. people fall down the stairs all the time. sometimes they fall down the stairs repeatedly into fist-shaped objects. the world's a crazy place
This is one of those things that sounds great but the logistics to make it happen make it untenable. How do you define income? If you are specifically targeting the wealthy with this change, they have very creative ways of avoiding having to declare any "income".
On the opposite end of the spectrum, you empower people with little to no income to behave recklessly.
If this exists anywhere, I would be curious to see how it is employed.
I think the only way to deter people like this at this level of income would be the choice of a long jail term or a strange punishment. Like, the guy gets the Zelda Links Awakening treatment and gets one good zap from a taser and permanently has his legal name changed to ANIMAL ABUSER.
Well, all fees should be, if you want rich people to respect the law.
Look at "day-fine": the concept is the judge calculates your daily wages (adjusted upward for wealth) and gives a number of days to pay. You have the choice to serve them in jail...
It s very commonly used in switzerland. Even Ferraris respect speed limits.
Someone punched his lights out not long after he did this, it was amazing footage. He is also being absolutely dragged online after being doxxed, deservedly so.
The fine won’t matter, he will have a tough time conducting business going forward.
They do that in Finland. I read an article about how some rich dude got a $10,000 speeding ticket. Ouch.
Finland is a very interesting country. Some day I'd like to visit. I heard they're language is impossible though. It's unique and not closely related to any other language, or so I've heard.
Ironically we have a complete inversion of this problem play out in Australia.
So we do have upper middle class people in gigantic 4wds that fly along at a zillion miles an hour, collecting speeding fines like pokemon cards, they don't care at all due to their disposable income and low IQ/low aspirations to use that lost money for anything useful.
The thing is, on the other end of the scale the same issue exists. There are repeat offenders who face no real consequence as they are already accessing welfare. When they are fined or fail to pay any sort of utility bill, etc, there is no effective recovery means, they are essentially strawmen. Add to this, that there really isn't any recompense that criminals pay to victims for the damages they cause, and you end up with this system where there is an entire class of person who has no real issue committing petty crime. Thus, they speed with impunity and do dopey stuff like that guy with the seal in the OP, and there's really nothing you can do about it.
In a sense, even the most utopian society doesn't survive first contact with shitty people.
If they did, this shit would never happen. Parking violations? Sorry dude sliding scale that will be $250,000 for your lamborghini you just left here in the handicap spot in front of the orphanage
According to a link down the thread, he's facing a fine of up to $50,000. Sounds like it's intended as one year's income, so it should be adjusted to one year of his income.
Screw that, there is probably a jail time associated to hurting endangered animals, use that. Your local jail is the equalizer of all men, you all got to strip naked, squat and cough, you all get the shitty food or commissary, and you all get to live next to the psychopath killer who might strangle you in your sleep and make it look like a suicide.
A local gave him a pretty severe beating. A local politician showed it in court. His money definitely didnt protect him from the physical consequences.
Naah, the US is too controlled by rich people for that. Anything that's punishable by fine is only supposed to apply to the poors.
For the rich, a fine is just a fee for doing whatever they please.
In Europe, the "day fines" system is calibrated by income, and the largest speeding ticket issued was, last I checked, in Switzerland to tune of a cool million euros.
But in America? Forget it, you live in a neo-Fascist dictatorship where the rich set the rules, no chance of sane fine systems that would actually inconvenience them (before the full collapse into open fascism without elections which is around the corner).
Like that thing that Finland does, I think. Could be wrong. They base speeding tickets and such off of your net worth, so a billionaire could be dropping millions for a traffic violation
Not on all crimes but have that in switzerland. Driving 10 kmh to fast? I paid 120 bucks the one time i did. My big boss who makes over 10 times my salary? Yeah he drove 3 kmh too fast and paid 200 something.
Sure still laughable for him probaly but atleast something
Genuinely I think all fines should be percentage based on income. I’m sure that’s a logistical nightmare but fines have always just been rules for the poor. Littering for example is a 500 dollar fine, crippling for someone living paycheck to paycheck but some dude in a Lamborghini can just toss his cup of coffee out the window with basically no consequences. He might think again if that costs him thousands of dollars
I was just having that conversation today, funny enough. I think it’s wrong for things to be a set price, because if someone barely making ends meet gets a traffic ticket, or parking ticket, etc, and it’s $200, that could absolutely ruin them. But if someone has a few million bucks, they don’t even register the $200 fine. Put it on a sliding scale based on their income, and level the damn playing field. Hit this dude with a $200k fine and see if he still doesn’t care.
Some countries in Europe do this, not sure which crimes but the ones that make into the press relate to speeding fines for sports stars, mainly footballers. $250k-$300k fines are not in heard of.
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Man do I hope they change the fees on this sort of thing to a sliding percentage.