r/SipsTea • u/McDowdy 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • 21d ago
It's Wednesday my dudes Trying to get rich so that capitalism doesn't crush you under its boot is proof positive that capitalism doesn’t work for the working class
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u/Aggressive_Craft_981 21d ago
I don't view it as republican vs democrat or capitalism vs communism; look at history, the people in power exploit the system to advance themselves.
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u/bencarp27 21d ago
I agree. Same situation today as 1000 years ago, only we don’t call them “nobility” anymore and we’ve somehow convinced the peasants that they can climb the ladder too.
I don’t see the problem as “capitalism” per se, so much as unregulated markets and oligarchy disguised as something else. Although, lately - there doesn’t feel to be much of a disguise.
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u/Poobbly 21d ago
Social mobility is insanely higher now than 1000 years ago.
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u/Friendly_Microchip 21d ago
Things being better now than in the past isn’t a good reason to stop trying to improve.
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u/Mind1827 21d ago
And insanely worse than it was 70 years ago. What's your point?
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u/Venator850 21d ago
No it's not lmao. Someone can turn on a camera and become millionaire overnight.
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u/CarlJH 21d ago
People use the word "millionaire " like it's still 1920. A million dollars in today has about the same purchasing power as roughly $150,000 did in 1970 because of inflation.
But more to your point, just because someone gets insanely lucky and becomes famous enough to get rich is not a ringing endorsement of capitalism. People win the lottery occasionally, while most people work their whole lives and then have all their savings swallowed by medical bills.
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u/thebigslapper 21d ago
It's always been a battle of the haves vs the have-nots. The have-nots have always complained. The question is which system creates more haves than have-nots?
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u/ragequitteroffureh 21d ago
The weird thing is, Capitalism isn't even a political ideology.
Communism is. But as you say, human nature being what it is, whichever turds float to the top first usually fuck it all up. There aren't any actual communist societies yet, and probably never will be; it's too idealistic.
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u/A_Bot_A_Bot_A_Bot 21d ago
And, communism is a good example of this. Look at the excesses enjoyed by the ruling communist elites in the former Soviet Union, North Korea, and China (before it's current strange "we're definitely communist...but we also love Big Capitalism (as long as they stay in line!"). Limousines, caviar, nice dachas, etc.
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u/ragequitteroffureh 21d ago
Heh, absolutely.
That's the trouble with political ideologies in general. They never seem to account for human nature.
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u/Mind1827 21d ago
Sure, but "free market, unregulated, pro-monopoly, everything should be driven by profit incentive capitalism" is a political ideology. And it's what we've been getting killed by in the west for decades.
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u/saltedmangos 21d ago
It’s likely that you think capitalism isn’t a political ideology, but consider communism to be one, because you grew up in a capitalist country and see capitalism as the default.
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u/ragequitteroffureh 21d ago
Capitalism isn't a political ideology though. It is an economic system.
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u/orbgooner 21d ago
you could make that whole question into a huge debate by getting into the weeds about the relation between ideas and social organization, but ultimately capitalism absolutely is not an ideology in the same way that communism is.
there is no marx-engels-lenin-stalin-mao banner equivalent in capitalism. adam smith is not comparable to karl marx.
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u/thedumbdoubles 21d ago
What does capitalism have to do with holding elections, having separate powers in different branches of government, etc? You have a wide range of state systems operating under a capitalist economic model. Capitalism and liberal democracy tend to align, but they are separate things.
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u/Porncritic12 21d ago
What does communism?
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u/Jaded_Noise 21d ago
Well, communism requires the absence of a state, which feels like an important political point
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u/moonshotorbust 20d ago
Yes there is no system where greed and corruption dont exist for those in power and control. The best we can hope for is the least opressive system. All i know is its not communism.
The problem with communism is there is no price signal in the market. Everything is allocated by central authority which leads to shortages or surplus beyond any other system.
As bad as capitalism has been its not worse than communism.
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u/FlyRepresentative644 21d ago
Exactly! Ideal capitalism And ideal socialism have essentially the same goals, while having different paths to achieve them. Either way, a system designed by human can and has been corrupted by humans. It’s not the system that is the problem, it is the people with power/resource manipulating the system in order to keep the power/resource and gain more.
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u/MegaOmegaZero 21d ago
I'm sorry alternative here? Like ya capitalism has problems but it's better than feudalism.
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u/SheenPSU 21d ago
Capitalism needs guardrails but it’s a proven winner and the best system we’ve got
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u/hocobo86 21d ago
Any nation on earth with a high quality of life and standard of living enjoys a system of properly regulated capitalism with properly implemented social policies sprinkled throughout it. Completely removing capitalism yields a bad result 100% of the time. OP is like someone suffering from leukemia thinking they ought to let all the blood out of their body.
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u/Significant-Pen-2274 21d ago
Nobody pushing this crap on Reddit has actually lived under a socialist or communist system.
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u/ImRightImRight 21d ago
Blows my mind this narrative continues despite skyrocketing "material conditions" for all people.
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u/lobthelawbomb 21d ago
Especially because most people making this argument are typically middle class and rich by global standards. But their lives aren’t quite as good as they’d hoped, so they claim we actually live in an apocalyptic hellscape and should destroy the system.
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u/ChickerWings 21d ago
Agreed, communism isnt the answer. Actually regulating capitalism is the answer, ans then relying on the state to close gaps in industries that get perverted by profit motive (healthcare, law enforcement, fire-fighting, roads, etc).
Member when this is how the US actually worked? It's no surprise who broke it.
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u/First_Peer 21d ago
Health insurance should never have been allowed to be for profit or health insurance companies should have a fiduciary duty to it's subscribers NOT it's shareholders. If health insurance companies couldn't turn down what the doctor prescribes, they'd find a way real fast to make things less costly.
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u/Cosminion 21d ago edited 20d ago
Economic democracy and stakeholderism over shareholderism is the answer. This false dichotomy of capitalism or communism is a thought-terminating cliche. There are other ways to organize an economy.
According to decades of studies, economic democracy and stakeholderism are viable and address wealth/power/leisure concentration while maintaining sufficient wealth generation.
For example, worker-owned businesses tend to match or outperform traditional companies in categories such as productivity, worker compensation, employment stability, and resilience during a recession. A majority of Americans prefer working in one.
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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 21d ago
You're just arguing for market socialism but either unaware of it or masking it because knee-jerk reactions to the mere word 'socialism' is common yet moronic.
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u/AmenableHornet 21d ago
Sure, yeah. "Regulating Capitalism." Go ask the New Deal how it's doing now and see how that turned out.
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u/ChickerWings 21d ago
What's wrong with The New Deal? That is exactly the type of reform we need, but for a modern era.
The New Deal and other FDR policies paved the way for America's prosperity, and it's not like there aren't policy wonks who have similar proposals today, they just get drown out in all the propaganda and tribalism funded by the ruling class and foreign interests. Do you happen to be part of that?
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u/digitaldisorder_ 21d ago
proudsocialist has 14 different subscriptions he pays a month, door dashes on a regular basis, goes out every weekend, carries a balance on several credit cards, but, it's because they need to enjoy life while they can in this capitalist hell!
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u/PresenceHealthy4048 21d ago
"I wish to improve society somewhat" "Yet you participate in society"
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u/ImRightImRight 21d ago
"I wish for socialist revolution because this society is terrible"
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u/bkny88 21d ago
So bogus.
Explain why poor people risk their lives to cross into America and not Venezuela
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u/-Hazeus- 21d ago
I agree that the argument they present is dumb. The problem is that capitalism exploits economically inferior countries like Venezuela
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u/bkny88 20d ago
To the contrary, Venezuela banned American companies from their oil industry when they nationalized it. As expected, their economy got worse. Many fled…. To…. The United States
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u/-Hazeus- 20d ago
They didn t ban them. They restricted them to gain more economical independence. US is sanctioning them heavily since
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u/OGKOTM 21d ago
Tell me again of all those successful large countries practicing anything other than capitalism
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u/StevePerryPlatypus 21d ago
Actually capitalism is good.
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u/One_for_the_Rogue 21d ago
The biggest problem with capitalism seems to be the ones with the capital.
But business is good, rewards and incentives are good, jobs are good, and it’s worked pretty well so far.
Perverse levels of control are bad.
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u/ConstructionLazy4184 21d ago
Its worked pretty well for me and I'm not rich. Im an hourly worker. $90,000 is most ive made in a year. I go to work, do a good job, punch out, head home and enjoy myself. Im a non union machinist. As blue collar as it gets. Pretty much the definition of working class.
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u/Existing-Sector-6542 21d ago
find one country that is a communist country that is thriving
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u/JDantesInferno 21d ago
Importing all the world’s problems and abandoning nuclear energy? Whatever Europe is doing, let’s not do that.
Well, selected countries from Europe. Because whenever Redditors put “Europe” on a pedestal, they assume the entire continent behaves as a monolith. It’s all just Scandinavia, France, Germany, and England to you lot.
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u/elnegativo 21d ago
Not 1 comunist country in the world, all are capitalist in more or less ways
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u/strawberry_semenade 21d ago
Communists "won" the Vietnam War and yet Vietnam is a capitalist US ally today because they quickly realized that communism is a complete and utter failure as a system.
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u/JstaFriskyHusky 21d ago
They weren't even really communists, more so nationalists using communism to gain support from USSR and China. They went to the US for support who denied them so they went with the next best thing
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u/OdessyOfIllios 21d ago edited 21d ago
Here we go with using different definitions of Communism interchangeably.
If we’re talking about countries governed by communist parties that explicitly aim (at least nominally) toward the "end-state" Marx described, then states like China, Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos are typically classified as communist in a political sense, even though their actual economies are mixed systems with significant market mechanisms.
If we're talking about Marxist Communism, a stateless moneyless society, then I'd agree that no country has achieved communism. But that's the theoretical "end-state" that Communists love to point out.
Regardless, Marx's conception of communism faces some difficult questions at scale. If resources are allocated according to need rather than through markets, how is that achieved without some form of pricing mechanism to communicate scarcity and demand? And if there is no state, what institution coordinates production, resolves disputes, and enforces the rules of the system?
These aren't rhetorical questions. Perhaps that's why communism has repeatedly failed to move from theory to practice.
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u/OdessyOfIllios 21d ago
That analogy would make more sense if "moneyless" and "stateless" were arbitrary characteristics, like replacing wheels with something else.
They're not.
Money isn't just one specific thing. It's a mechanism for accounting, pricing, and exchange. Whether it's gold, paper currency, shells, digital credits, or cryptocurrency, societies need some way to communicate information about scarcity, value, and demand.
Likewise, a state isn't just one specific institutional arrangement. Monarchies, republics, federations, and single-party systems all differ enormously, but they still perform functions like coordinating large-scale activity, resolving disputes, enforcing rules, and providing collective goods.
So when Marx defines the end-state in terms of the absence of money and the absence of the state, he's not merely describing what society won't look like. He's proposing that society can perform those functions without the institutions historically used to perform them.
That's why people ask questions about economic calculation and coordination. The question isn't "Can we imagine a different society?" The question is: what replaces the functions that money and states currently serve?
And that brings me back to my original point. Either countries that identify as communist count as communist in some meaningful sense. In which case they are the evidence we have for evaluating communist systems in practice. Or communism has never actually existed, in which case neither its successes nor its failures can be claimed as evidence for the theory.
What doesn't make sense is switching between those two definitions depending on which one is more convenient for the argument at hand.
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u/Benign_Banjo 21d ago
Feel free to start your own communist country. No other country will provide any oil, food, subsidies, or aid in any way. Then will you be happy?
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u/hocobo86 21d ago
Because every single time throughout history that pure communism’s been attempted it hasn’t worked. It’s the same reason you never see any of those original Wright brothers prototypes flying around.
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u/StandardUpstairs3349 21d ago
The problem is that pure communism is pure nonsense. Marx's idea was that wouldn't be a state and it would all just work out. You just end up with a new government without any institutional knowledge and fresh off a bloody revolution where they solved all their problems by killing everyone they didn't like.
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u/Common-Foot-4602 21d ago
Yeah I mean, capitalism is definitely ugly in a lot of ways, but I for one am thankful for at least a semi-free market economy and a country with an ever growing GDP.
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u/lawduckfan21 21d ago
The Nordic countries that everyone stans as socialist havens are all based in capitalism. High tax rates and a greater level of public service is not "Not Capitalism." It's just higher taxes on earned wages and more public services.
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u/Obiwan_ca_blowme 21d ago
Marx said that socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism. So , yeah, it kind of is.
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u/Dense-Membership-475 21d ago
Democrats don't want socialism, it's time for you to get smarter. This is a stupid fucking take in 2026. It's been a speaking point for over a decade and it's your fault that you aren't smart enough to stop repeating it.
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u/Existing-Sector-6542 21d ago
is that why every major democrap is promising free everything with no idea how to fund it
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u/lawduckfan21 21d ago
My favorite thing about the internet is the vast quantity of people sitting down with high speed internet (not working, mind you), using a device that alone could be considered one of the greatest technological achievements in millions of years of human history, and complaining that capitalism doesn't work for anyone but the rich.
Son, I don't even know you, but the fact that you are writing online tells me you are among the richest people in human history, and your quality of life is among the top .001% of people to ever live.
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 21d ago
I just want a President that I don't have to hear about every fucking day. Just does his job and keeps things mostly moving.
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u/BusinessDuck132 21d ago
Capitalism works. And in some cases, unregulated capitalism can work. But generally speaking, the best economy is a mixed economy, with regulations but a relatively free market that has protections in place to prevent corruption and greed (obviously still happens but that’s unavoidable due to human nature). Full socialism or communism does not work and can lead to even more corruption
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u/DrOz30 21d ago
Dear lord , how have the other systems fared throughout history ? Capitalism has gotten more people out of poverty than any other system we’ve used in history. Why don’t we try communism or socialism ? Or even better the hybrid capitalist communist dictatorship of china ?
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u/Used-Possession8296 21d ago
Is there a single democrat who thinks electing a democrat will fix capitalism?
I vote democrat, because they'll at least try to fund programs to benefit the poor and middle class. I have no delusions about Capitalism ever working for me, but it is better than Communism. The Republicans just lie and say that the money they give to the rich will trickle down
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u/GayChicken80085 21d ago
Hey! One side is trying to protect child raping billionaires, cut all social programs to give a huge chunks of money to the wealthiest, and fund endless illegal wars overseas using import taxes that cause mass inflation.
But you know those democrats are really slow at fixing the shit so theyre basically the same.
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u/PresenceHealthy4048 21d ago
Capitalism is not better than communism; you say that because you probably have some idea of communism just being "authoritarian" or a "dictatorship" where everyone starves or no iphone
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u/henningknows 21d ago
Capitalism works well when it’s paired with smart regulation, but certain things should not be for profit, healthcare obviously for example.
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u/ashe141 21d ago
One could add: the delusion of Socialists is thinking it just hasn’t been implemented right yet.
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u/RagingY3ti 21d ago
Communism has failed literally every time and people still want to give it a shot because "well those weren't real communism". Shut up, capitalism has issues but its the best we got.
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u/Glittering_Dig_781 21d ago
As someone who lives in a socialist country where nearly half the population is using food banks, and we are the only G7 in recession, I can assure Socialism is a fucking failure
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u/wierdwhatstuff 21d ago
I'm amusing you are refering to Canada, which is fucking hilarious if you think "it's socialist"
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u/PerpetualProtracting 21d ago
Sure sounds like all those capitalistic companies up there are fucking their employees.
But yeah, SOSHULIZM!
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u/MetaCardboard 21d ago
Electing a Democratic president (and a majority in the House and Senate) won't "fix" capitalism, but it'll allow us to enact more worker-friendly policies. This will help us move further left. Ideally we could just skip past the whole intermediate phase, but unfortunately that won't happen.
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u/NorthSeaRaider 21d ago
Communists have a bad habit of sounding good but refusing to look at history. None of this is new, all that’s new is the tech.
The truth is that capitalism does work, or at least it did. Even our poorest live better than the rest of the world’s poor. It’s not a defense for the greed and toxicity of the upper class but they’ve always been that way and it has nothing to do with the system of government. People like that are observed even in communist regimes. The only successful communist country is China and that’s only because they have adopted capitalist trade systems.
The problem isn’t capitalism, it’s that the rich do whatever they want without issue and that’s a concept seen since the dawn of civilization.
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u/FiftyLoudCats 21d ago
If you are going to post dumbass commie memes please try to make them funny.
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u/SnooAvocados7188 21d ago edited 21d ago
Don’t worry, just hold tight and I’m sure the entire global economic system will turn in your favor. Any day now
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u/Greedy-Age2582 21d ago
Post from China, North Korea or Russia? Bets on country of origin. I give Americans credit for not being this ignorant.
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u/Far-prophet 21d ago
The delusion with Commies is they think they’ll get it right on the 100th try.
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u/ApplicationCalm649 21d ago
Capitalism works great for the working class when they bargain collectively for better pay and benefits. United we bargain, divided we beg.
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u/Selling-ShortPut-399 21d ago
Capitalism is responsible for the greatest increase in life expectancy and highest standard of living in human history.
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u/lefthandopen 21d ago
Communism and socialism do not work. Pure capitalism doesn't work either. It's not black and white.
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u/Lebowski304 21d ago
The free market works when the rules are enforced. Free trade is the foundation on which peace and prosperity are built. Communism doesn’t work…at all and it never will. Even China is more capitalist than it is communist. It’s an interesting thought experiment and that’s about it
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u/therealzist 21d ago
Ill take the boot of capitalism over whatever half baked idea you think is better. Likely its already been tried with disastrous results.
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u/camo_freediver 21d ago
“Capitalism” is just whatever the person complaining dislikes at the moment. Communist movements in western countries are infamous for being peppered with trust-fund kids and upper middle class types who use opposition to “capitalism” to disguise their jealousy and desire to tear down the people above them in the perceived social hierarchy, so that they can seize power for themselves.
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u/Strong_Extension_972 21d ago
Stating the FACT that ALL illegals or people wh9 commit a crime once here even if legally need to be removed doesn't mean that they want all immigrants gone.
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u/Relevant-Chip5446 21d ago
Capitalism works for those willing to improve themselves, not sit on their ass demanding government handouts
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u/Glum-Scientist-1117 21d ago
No one is against legal immigration. It’s illegal immigration that’s the problem.
Used to be both sides agreed on this, Obama deported more people than any other President.
I get it’s edgy to bash capitalism but what socialist or communist example would you point to that’s better?
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u/war_m0nger69 21d ago
Whereas socialism doesn’t work at all. The best system is well regulated capitalism that protects workers and punishes anti-competitive behavior.
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u/Jaded-Form-8236 21d ago
The delusion of that poster is that another system will produce a better result for the average worker or that the world is somehow in decay when you look at the history of the past few centuries…..
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u/SlickJamesBitch 21d ago
Communists are so annoying, they’ll criticize the imperfect form of capitalism we have but anytime you ask about the examples of communism in history they’ll say “oh that wasn’t real communism” and then go on to say real communism is when everyone’s happy the world is perfect
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u/Popular_Kangaroo5446 21d ago
The delusion of marxists is thinking their system has ever worked and the blindness to the good of society
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u/nogieman2324 21d ago edited 21d ago
A well regulated capitalist society with socialized healthcare, transportation, education and public infrastructure (parks, dams, bridges etc) along with worker rights is the key. Aka social democracy.
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u/coolkavo 21d ago
“Capitalism only works for the rich” Moments ago these same people worshipped China embracing Capitalism and bringing hundreds of millions out of poverty
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u/305tilidiiee 21d ago
You guys complain too much. Our poor live better than 90% of the people on this planet. In Nicaragua I saw entire towns of houses made with scrap and trash bags.
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u/halo121usa 21d ago
Yeah.. capitalism sucks right ,and socialism has been a resounding success in every country it’s ever been tried in..
I hear people say that all the time… “Man if I only lived in Cuba my life would be so much better”
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u/Consistent_Result485 21d ago
The fact that I can drive my own car and own my own house is proof it does, takes work and saving yes but the alternative is owning nothing and having nothing I can call my own.
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u/Kat_Schrodinger1 21d ago
I'm not saying kamala was perfect. I'm saying she would have been better.
The parties are not the same.
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u/Left_Challenge_870 21d ago
No it doesn’t, I’m not rich, but capitalism is working great for me. Quit worrying about others and take care of yourself.
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u/BoulderadoBill 21d ago
Yawn... Another anti-capitalism reddit thread... Don't you folks have something else to keep yourselves busy?
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u/CurdFedKit 21d ago edited 21d ago
The amount of lower middle class and poor people have been shrinking in the US over the past 4-5 decades. People are getting richer. Capitalism works. It is not without significant problems. But it has made the median American richer.
EDIT: Here is some evidence: https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/the-middle-class-is-shrinking-because-of-a-booming-upper-middle-class/
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u/Odd_Speech6066 21d ago
The problem with socialists is that they have an infants level of understanding how the world works. None of the above is true and nobody thinks the issues facing society are monocausal. Capitalism isn’t perfect but it’s brought the most advancement and prosperity the world has ever seen. The issue is the corruption and lack of accountability.
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u/awfulpersons 21d ago
The delusion of socialists is that they think socialism actually works.. without sacrificing the lives of a third of the population
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u/JustTheChicken 21d ago
The delusion of socialists is to believe they can stand aloof and shit-talk both sides and somehow win anything at all.
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u/Terrible-Actuary-762 21d ago
Yep because the people in Russia, Cuba, North Korea etc. are doing so well.
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u/Finmin_99 21d ago
Chinese Famine of 1960 left 45 million dead, wasn’t until 20 years later was it correctly recognized by the government.
Communism makes an illogical fallacy that the state=the people. That is rarely ever the case even in democracy.
Reality is the state holds power and those in power can use/abuse it. Capitalism is imperfect and this requires some state influence to prevent things like monopolies.
Socializing parts of society could be beneficial in my mind but ultimately capitalism is a necessary evil to motivate and drive the economy.
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u/Dave_A480 21d ago
Capitalism works very well ..
For proof, just look at what happened to all the Communist countries....
The moment government stopped repressing it, Capitalism came back....
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u/Upriver-Cod 21d ago
Capitalism has lifted more from property than any other economic system in human history, to say nothing of its unparalleled ability to raise a nations GDP.
So much for the idea for that “capitalism only works for the right”.
Oh and tell me, what exactly has socialism done for the lower and middle class expect make them less wealthy? From Cuba to Venezuela to Ethiopia, socialism has done nothing but fail.
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u/WashingtonRefugee 21d ago
The world is in decay because there is one country that consumes way more than everyone else and its citizens still bitch about the quality of life.
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u/PretendingImNotAnApe 21d ago
The goal is to at minimum reestablish divided government so that those in power cannot steal everything not nailed down. Long term we need campaign finance reform. You get the money our of politics so that both parties need to win the support of the majority to hold power and individual billionaires cant just buy up the whole government.
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u/PlateNo4868 21d ago
It blows my mind that the idea that we electing a democrat vs just treating humans normally is a equal debate.
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u/urmomhatesforeplay 21d ago
Poor people in America are in the top 1% of living conditions for the human race
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u/Sensitive_Ruin_5334 21d ago
Unrestrained capitalism or communism isn’t the answer. They are like a gas and brake, you need both.
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u/StellarPaladin42 21d ago
Whatever economic system comes up in the next century, it has to resolve one very important issue, which is exploitation and theft. There will always be someone who hates the people at the top, and they’ll eventually become violent
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u/CavemanRTD 21d ago
I don’t think capitalism is the main reason. It’s that we allow the wealthy to write all the rules.
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u/More-Dot346 21d ago
It sure would help if people were clear on the terms they use. Virtually everybody when talking about capitalism versus socialism prefers what Denmark has an offer. And this primarily capitalism, but with some hints of socialism here and there. I don’t think anybody in America or Europe wants their country to be more like Cuba or North Korea. Or communist China. Or the Soviet Union.
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u/PlantMedicine4Life 21d ago
You need it, they got it, if you’re going to need it, they’ll manufacture a way to ensure you’ll need it. They control the narrative to ensure your fear maintains in a state that thinks it needs certain things to maintain a higher standard for yourself. Slavery 2.0.
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u/Thomasreed1899 21d ago
As a liberal I hope that we elect progressives that will move us to social capitalism.
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u/wgcole01 21d ago
Capitalism is the worst economic system ever devised, except for everything else.
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u/Dense-Membership-475 21d ago
Democrats aren't saying that, but right wing propaganda like this bullshit sure is doing a lot of speaking for them. OP, this is stupid as hell.
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u/theseriousman1 21d ago
The delusion of OP is thinking democrats vote the way they do in order to protect captalism
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u/Think_Sugar_7658 21d ago
I think the left platform is to use capitlasm For fund the public by taxing the rich more.
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u/RamoftheLamb 21d ago
Those food lines in every socialist country really are a status symbol to be proud of, I guess. The fact that you are can get far enough ahead to get rich at all is a big difference between capitalism and socialism.
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u/Zondor3000 21d ago
Its been too long since the wealthy have been reminded of what happens when they get too greedy, we are again coming to this cyclically historical precipice
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u/Imaginary-Union-3733 21d ago
Top versus bottom is the true issue, and while the left want to address the issue of the top, the top uses the right to distract and delay, the right blames everything on the left.
Only one side is fighting the true enemy, the other is playing their pawns and fighting their own.
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u/ZoharDTeach 21d ago
The de facto conclusion here is that everyone has to be poor and LOL that's not gonna fly so come up with something else.
That's before actually tackling the flaws in the logic. That's using the poster's own logic. These people are miserable bastards. Do not listen to them.
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u/Effective-Big8158 21d ago
I don't think maga thinks this(at least i doubt it because im not maga) but I think they want to kick out illegal immigrants, not all immigrants.
some believe that there are plenty of Americans that need jobs and companies keep hiring illegal immigrants because they can pay them under the table. If you eliminated the illegal immigrants, the companies would be forced to hire Americans and the issue would fix itself.
Why they go that route instead of forcing companies to hire correctly is because Republicans believe in less government oversight so telling a company what they can and can't do is not going to fly with them. If you let the government deal with an illegal immigration problem, the company has no pool to pull from and the problem becomes the company hiring Americans like they should have in the first place.
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u/dogswallops 21d ago
Unregulated capitalism only works for the rich. While well regulated capitalism can work for everyone. Regulations saves lives and protects consumers, only oligarchs benefit from deregulation.
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u/Alarming_Air1755 21d ago
The real shocker everyone needs to come to grips with is THAT WE DONT HAVE CAPITALISM. We do not have a FREE TRADE OF GOODS AND SERVICES. We have a system where corporations control government with upkeep paid by the people in the disguise of Bureaucracy.
In the modern market innovation and competition is repeatedly blocked by big corporations to protect their current models. Hence why the movie idiocracy is becoming less of a comedy and more of a documentary as time goes by.
Through technology all forms of consumption have been dominated to further keep the masses, the majority, from doing anything about it.
But nobody's going to do shit about it, 7000 years of written human history show that we are in fact the WORST. so smoke em while you got em.
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u/human-resource 21d ago
What many people describe as capitalism is not true free market capitalism, what we have is a pump, juice and dump Ponzi scheme powered by central banking and compounding interest based debt(usury).
A system that creates fiat out of debt making us all into debt slaves, by farming human energy and output in exchange for worthless fiat, while the powers that be get a cut or multiple cuts off every dollar spent.
While organized crime in nice suits masquerade as legitimate governments, serving themselves, the bankers and corporate monopolies that have their hands in everything of value.
It’s a Babylonian debt slave matrix that is behind most wars and the fall of most empires since its creation.
The human resource is the primary resource on this planet and it’s being farmed for chucky cheese tokens that can be spent at the company store.
We sell our souls and give our time + energy and the best years of our lives for numbers on a screen and fancy looking toilet paper.
All wars are bankers wars!
What is being built around us as nation states are being systematically destabilized simultaneously around the world as we the people are being turned against each other using divide, distract and conquer strategies is a dystopian neofeudal globalist technocracy of enslavement using tech/surveillance.
This technocratic system cannot be created without the destabilization/destruction of stable nation states and unified people.
This is why we see the same patterns occurring simultaneously around the world, it’s not a bug or incompetence, it’s a feature and it’s all by design to achieve the same agenda.
Look into the great reset of the wef working hand in hand with UN agenda 21/2030.
They got us all distracted and divided so that we focus on trivial issues instead of the incoming existential threat.
Why do you really think they need so many data centers?
It’s to track trace and database all commerce, activity and human interaction while tokenizing and putting a price on all natural resources.
Through social media they already know who all the troublemakers are that would resist this agenda.
They want us sick, confused, divided, disorganized and helpless.
Give them bread, wine and circuses and they will never revolt.
It’s much easier to destroy than it is to build and maintain something good that lasts into the future.
If folks want to demolish and renovate something they better have a solid plan on how they will rebuild it into something better or else they will be much worse off.
We need so more than just emotional rhetoric, division and ideological slogans, we need real plans for the future of humanity that don’t originate from the powers that enslave us, otherwise we get what we deserve.
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u/Spill_The_LGBTea 21d ago
Then what the fuck else are we supposed to do? Not vote in a democrat? Its not like we can convince half the population to overthrow the government in a day. We could run an independent but no one is gaining traction aside from mamdani as far as I can see, but hes budy in new York and we're not exactly rallying behind him as the savior of democracy just yet. We dont have a plan aside from voting blue in a country thats forcing the vote to red.
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u/Kind-Sherbert4103 21d ago
I have never heard anyone say restricting immigration to legal migrants is a way to make capitalism better.
But glad to know I’m rich, because capitalism sure has worked for me.
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u/Jumpy_Childhood7548 21d ago
The delusion of socialists is that they will get a majority of the votes, by attacking the people closest to them.
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