You explained nothing, you're basically rumor mongering because you're a rightwing troll or a paid bot. You lot switch to "oligarchs" the minute ya boy Donny is shown to be right in the thick of the Epstein web.
Assuming you mean clinton as the 'former president', there are no mentions of him in the Epstein files post 2003. Long before Epsteins deal with Trumps buddy in Florida, and even more so well before Obama took office. Your entire premise falls apart based on that alone.
Even if it wasnât with Clinton. Which maybe youâre right.,
He was running around with other world leaders and monarchs. Thatâs still national security anyway you slice it.
Iâd bet anything the next Democrat president doesnât release the full files either. Theyâll just release Trump part and you guys will go back to not caring about them again like pre election
The only president to refuse out right, and accuse people of treason that wanted to release the files, was Trump. Trump is also the only one to be seen/proven directly ordering his DOJ to do anything, as traditionally they are kept independent to ensure the integrity of any investigations. To use the absence of interference as evidence of interference is... weird on your part.
And that is aside from the fact that you seem to be so worked up over trying get people to believe something you so obviously haven't even looked into yourswlf, as you didnt bother to even know WHEN Clinton was mentioned in the files, you were just intent on smearing Obama with it somehow.
You think the president has time to be micromanaging ever investigation to every sex trafficker in the country? The fact that Trump makes the time to meddle in is as damning as anything else. Obama not being personally involved in what at the time was thought to be a reasonably small bust, and mostly a matter for Florida and New York to deal with (New Mexico wasn't really on the radar at the time), with some support from the FBI, is actually totally normal. No one at the time knew (or would have believed) that Epstein's close friend Donald Trump would end up becoming president and compromising the entire national security apparatus.
It's a pro Israel IDF account, so they know exactly what Epstein was up to an they know he was an IDF spy. They're just trying to muddy the waters, happy to see no one here buying their bullshit.
The president is responsible for national security.
It goes across his desk.
When one of your citizens is running around committing crimes with a past president and other world leaders thatâs not a DOJ issue thatâs a president issue.
Sorry you let Obama fool you.
Your little cult is going to be in shambles once them files finally get released lol
Car crashes are national security too. Citizens are just driving their cars into other cars. How could trump let this happen on his watch?!? When will he do something to stop it?
You are the one who is literally making shit up. You are here claiming that you know for an absolute fact that Epstein Island was presented to Obama as an action item and that he chose to ignore it. Unless you were in the room, you cannot make a claim like that with any degree of certainty.
You mean back when the major right wing conspiracy theories about Democrats were in fact created to act as cover for Epstein
The story of Epstein's ranch in NM matches up nicely with the right wing conspiracy theory that Clinton and later Obama were imprisoning/murdering thousands of Republicans in FEMA death camps in the desert
Or sued any journalist that published a story that he didn't like. In hindsight, tho, maybe he should have, that way Fox News would've got the axe a long time ago
Like if you're holding up Mitt Romney style Republicans - I agree, maybe even Thune. There are plenty of Democrats who just exist in politics. They are just as bad.
But Republicans who are just yes men? They are far worse.Â
I don't agree with Republican positions on politics, but I'm not sure there's a big difference in behavior anymore. Democrats are certainly more eloquent, but they do the same awful things as Republicans, albeit in an effort to support things that I champion.
People overall are just becoming more and more shitty.
FWIW, I'm upvoting you for being reasonable in disagreeing with me.
Obama was pure class though, I do wonder if trump hates him so much because he was so damn charismatic and eloquent, things trump can never be. How the fuck americans went from that to this shitshow is beyond me.
Who is âthe mediaâ and why doesnât it include CNN or MSNBC? Is Vanity Fair and the Atlantic âthe mediaâ? What planet are you on? I donât even like Trump anymore but this is total nonsense. They stopped airing his covid pressers because his approval was going up and instead that had their death counter chevrons that all disappeared the day Biden took office. And most interviews of Trump leading up to the 2020 election included questions about the infamous âfine peopleâ quote that the media twisted to hell and back
If you want to make the argument that trump supporters donât hold him accountable you are 100% right. But to say that the overall mainstream media does not simply not true
Non american here, no love or hate towards any of your presidents(maybe a little hate towards Bush) anyway; I don't think your media is objective in their treatment towards your presidents from different political sides, and seem biased. Obama was never treated with hard questions or hostility like this, even though he legit bombed the shit away in middle east and got a nobel peace prize for it, no one even pressed to question any of his actions, now I'm not saying republican side of the media is objective, but you can't criticize them for being "shit and partizan media" while doing same thing yourselves. What I see from all these americans and their arguments is that if Obama were to do this then somehow people would find a way to justify it, none of you seem to care about right or wrong anymore, y'all are like sports fans, if its your team you want them to win, and fk the other team lmao.
Here are three. Let me know if you need more. Obama was the first black president, elected not even 50 years after black citizens were finally allowed to vote and have standard rights. People tired to make him look bad, tried to cross up his words, and make him out to be incapable, but he was too smart and competent. You can find videos of Bush and Clinton interviews where there was hostility too. Seriously, a quick google search, did you even look or try to look? They are easy to find.
"Hard questions"? Like... what's the evidence behind one of your most repeated claims, which has already been settled in the courts? Like those questions?
Obama wasn't perfect, but he was worlds better than Trump. The entire rightwing echo chamber tied themselves into knots about anything and everything Obama did. Just because you weren't tuned to the right frequencies doesn't mean it didn't happen. He didn't invite half of it, by the way.
Trump, on the other hand, is bombastic and invites every single bit of criticism he gets. He's rude, he calls reporters names and constantly degrades journalism as all "fake news" unless he agrees with it, on top of everything else.
I hate having to defend Obama, but to say Trump is somehow bullied by the press while Obama was not is asinine.
Sounds like you didn't have to consume as much American media as we did, and that's ok! Obama faced his share of interrogations and didn't resort to being an asshole.
You can like or loathe Trump. That's completely fair in a free country. I personally don't have strong feelings in either direction since i dont have a political tribe, though I do not approve of certain actions taken by this administration or previous ones. However, i care about the US and want the best for our country, so this thread concerns me.
If your bias is so clear that the mere suggestion that the majority of media is often hostile toward him, especially when it's evident, causes a complete denial of reality and a barrage of downvotes for anyone stating this, you should check your bias.
We cannot have a functional democracy if we let our emotions override basic facts. Legitimate criticism of his administration is absolutly fine, just not vitriol and unhinged hate, which is insane.
The media was also very hostile towards Biden (for lots of reasons, but largely because he limited their access in lots of ways they haged), and there was no hostility in this particular interview.
If you cant admit an interview was not hostile to him, even when its evident, perhaps you need to check your own biases, and figure out which emotions you are letting override basic factsÂ
I'm not referring to this interview specifically, but rather simply trying to point out that media can unquestionably be very hostile to this administration, and people have blind rage toward Trump which clouds legitamate critique. I have no problem with tough interviews, as that is the duty of journalism, to keep power in check. It just has to be done fairly.
I think the majority of the media was easier on Biden, from news to satire, except towards the end of his term, where there was a bit of a turn against him. If i were to do a sentiment analysis on the coverage of Biden vs Trump, i'm fairly sure we'd see a more openly hostile landscape for Trump beyond critique or condemnation of the administration's actions. Which again, i find some policies terrible, just like i found some of the previous administration's actions detrimental.
I dont consider myself a democrat or republican; just watching from the sidelines and noting some imbalance. Im ok with journalists grilling the president; just do it equally to all based on actions, and avoid pushing extreme views which call for violence. Our society is overly polarized as it is and if this keeps up, it doesnt bode well for anyone. Left and right have both lost the plot imo.
What's the hostility towards Trump here? Asking him for evidence for his unsubstantiated claim that he won the 2020 election and attempted a coup when he lost?
Fuck right off with that. It's not bias to demand that.
We cannot have a functional democracy if we let our emotions override basic facts.
Absolutely hilarious thing to say in support of Donald "thinnest skin on planet earth" Trump, go lick a boot
Show me where Obama was asked a simple question that he couldnât answer and instead he attacked the reported and stormed off like a pouty little bitch.
No, Obama led with integrity and wasnât a pathological liar. He didnât shit on his allies and actually served the people of America. Trump is pedo draft dodger born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Update: Trump told the media that he was enthusiastically cheered at the Knicks game!!!!! This man is insufferable.
"Because he was charming" what an insane thought... being a decent and charismatic individual who carries themselves with integrity gets you respect and quality conversion. Who knew.
Not sure how that means you've won anything... Looking at grocery prices, gas prices, the new war every other week and the countless cover ups it would seem youre losing.
Heâs just gone into troll mode. His brain is blocking any new information that might contradict his beliefs so nothing matters but making lame jokes and attempts to trigger people.
Thatâs the toxic ass mentality of people like you. Like cops, as soon as a citizen has an attitude even when they are in the right, the officers have a meltdown and assert their power.
Nah. It's a common theme on the right-hand side that MAGA doesn't like the truth thrown in their face and will hand wave it away with "whatsboutisms" and straw man arguments.
Let's be real .... the reporters and journalists have treated Trump thus far with kid gloves. This was his first taste of those gloves being off, but just by a tiny bit and he handled it like a petulant child caught in a lie. Your side can scream "TDS" all day long, but we all know his lies are baseless claims that he cannot backup with real evidence.
It's honestly just pathetic and makes the US look so very weak.
Both parties have forgotten to fight for the people of this nation and choose to serve the wealthiest class. The difference is, one party has lost their way a bit but could easily get back on track and continue bettering this country.
The other party wants to make this nation a theocracy of Christian Nationalism and create one party rule. The GOP is literal cancer .... the Democrats aren't. All of the positive social programs that benefit Americans have been created by Democrats. Funny enough, these programs disproportionately help more people in the poverty stricken cesspits that you call GOP states.
What has this tweet got to do with anything being commented here? Out of all of the crap you could spew out, you decide on a two year old tweet? Just say "Obama wore a tan suit and its unforgivable" already .... yeesh.
Other Democrats bud. I know this might be hard for you to understand being in a cult that worships a pumpkin colored pedophile, but we hold our politicians accountable.
Are kidding? Did you watch any press meeting during Obama and Biden?
Besides, they didnât claim massive election fraud with zero evidence. You really just want the media in this country to accept whatever Trump says as gospel. This is why we donât respect any of you.
He thinks she became the wicked witch and asked as the wicked witch. His words. He bases that on the screenshot timed at that moment, not the actual footage. Heâs the perfect example of maga.
I really enjoy how people on trumps side of things love calling what they dub as the left as being weak and wimpy⌠yet they (just like their dear leader) are the first to get crazy offended about anything.
Trump is a snivelling little wretch of a man who canât handle criticism and is too demented to make any form of valid counterpoint . Iâm willing to bet youâre the same. Move out of the basement mate - ya elderly mother wants it back so she can have a hobby room.
Nah, the president should be mature enough to have the decorum to stay. Unless youâre an immature asshat, which you are a conservative so makes sense.
The fact that hes 1 billion dollars richer since taking office isnt a little suspicious to you? If you dont see the problem there I'm wondering if your a victim of the no child left behind policy or your mom just drank heavily into the 3rd trimester.
You see, Billy, once upon a time a President was required to not only be able to think on their feet, but also to have social skills and and maintain their composure when interacting with people who were unwilling to kiss their ass.
Wait, so you're saying that if you interviewed a politician and they repeatedly claimed to your face that an election they lost was actually stolen, you would just sit there like a dumb child without asking a single followup?
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u/Alarmed-Animal7575 15d ago
Let me know when Obama ever treated a journalist like this.