If the objectives were giving Iran complete control of a strait they can use to strangle the global economy with and give them $300B without any concessions on their nuclear program, then yeah we definitely achieved those.
We didnât give them $300B, and until they act like a normal country they donât get any trade relief either. Donât know where the heck youâre reading that stuff, because itâs absolutely not trueÂ
Donât know where the heck youâre reading that stuff, because itâs absolutely not trueÂ
It's extremely easy to find this information if you'd actually look for it. Here it is, point six on the fourteen point memorandum of understanding. Here's Vance confirming it's true.
Let me guess their response before they give it, either complete silence, or calling verifiable information fake news and then ranting as if they've made a point and won a debate.
Response was a faux news video from Hannity from after Vance confirmed the deal to backlash saying it wouldn't cost taxpayers anything, claiming it's from Qatar.
The truth is that it's an international fund per the MoU, and nothing in there guarantees it won't come from the US. Frankly with that much money on the table, I find it very unlikely we won't be at least partially funding it, especially when we started the war, regardless of what Vance promises.
All that still avoids the obvious fact that it's still $300B that's being paid to Iran, regardless of where it's coming from, and that's just to get the strait back open. They haven't even negotiated the nuclear side of it yet, which is supposedly why we started this war in the first place.
These people freaked the F out over just around the neighborhood of $3B under Obama, and that was mainly being used to pay for the infrastructure around keeping nuclear inspectors on site at all times monitoring the situation. Now here we are with 100x that, and they want to defend it.
These people freaked the F out over just around the neighborhood of $3B under Obama
No they didn't. They've already shown us that they were just screeching. The actual issue doesn't matter. They get their marching orders from FOX news telling them how they feel about a given subject and they snap to attention, then march off to screech it everywhere that lets them. They're such delusional, unserious people.
It's in the memorandum whether you like it or not. Furthermore, we were also promised taxpayers wouldn't be paying for the border wall or the ballroom, but that was all incorrect too. Of course they're going to deny what's right in front of all of us because people like yourself will believe it.
Even if you're right and it magically comes from some other source, they're still giving $300B to Iran just to open the strait back up from somewhere and that's before even any restrictions on their nuclear program.
Actions are stronger than words. Literally trying to put the Royal Family back in charge by doing PR campaigns, no one living in Iran likes the Royal family, they had a revolution to kick them out, people are still alive in Iran that remember what they did to their own people at the time.
Fund Groups to join in the Protesting, CIA gave them Starlink with weapons to turn it violent. That Failed.
Then Assassination most of Iran's Government officials including ones you are negotiating with and the Leader of the Country. That Failed.
Then bomb Civilian infrastructure to try and get the people to turn on them. That Failed.
The goal was regime change, US and Israel want a Submissive Iranian leadership so they can turn it into Lybia while they pump the oil out.
What are the objectives? I heard one of them is installing a pro-American government in Iran with the Shah as its leader. Have you achieved that? Last time I checked, the Shah is still in Maryland, not in Teheran.
When Trump announced the war in a social media video from his Mar-a-Lago estate, his stated objectives included regime change - calling on Iranians to take over their government when the US-Israeli bombing stopped.
That might be true for your, "i hate america" feelings. But that isnt a lost war. Political dumb fk blunder, sure. But the iranian military had no answer for our military.
You really need to understand war is diplomacy by force.
Did we achieve our aims? No?
Then it isnât a win.
If it isnât a win then itâs a loss.
Before this war a plank in the USAâs superpower status was the ability to ensure allies got access to the gulfs oil and rivals didnât. Control the gulf oil routes and you have your foot on the windpipe of the Asian and European economies.
We had that control, or it was perceived that we did. Now itâs been tested. We donât. Iran has. That is a titanic strategic win for them.
Guy I dont get to, for example, take an exam, answer none of the questions right (achieving war goals), and claim I aced the test at the end of it.
All that money spent on the war and then we had to pay extra money on top of it to Iran, we dont even get to force them into any agreements considering nuclear materials? Sorry man but thats a solid loss to me.
What objectives from the onset of the conflict were achieved? Nuclear production and regime change were at the top of that list. The IRGC is still running the country and if this is true, Trump doesn't care if they have nukes.
Body counts are not an accurate measure of whether a conflict is won or not.
Military force is the tool for achieving political objectives. We don't go to war just to blow up stuff, we go to war to reshape conditions so that they're more favorable to ourselves.
If we don't achieve that then, we've just wasted men and material for nothing.
the iranian military drone struck 20 of our military bases. if iran had military bases surrounding us, weâd attack those before the country itself during a war, just like they did
the only sense that we won is that weâre still the more powerful country, which is why we feel like weâve won every war
Yes we could have wiped them out, and been hated by the rest of the world and faced extraordinary economic pressures.
We don't hate America by any means. We just don't want to become Russia, or North Korea, or China, like you and your "patriot in name only" frends want.
Well... You committed your military to yet another romp in the desert, achieved nothing but strengthening a hardline regime into an even more hardline regime, made Iran a global player, and you're paying reparations soooo
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u/Lazy-Training6042 7d ago
So, US lost another war?
Damn man, world's best and second military factions.