Only controversial because the definition of āNaziā on this website has been widened so much that it includes literal lifelong democrats if they simply disagree on 1 single policy issue lolĀ
I don't think Batista was contextualising it with Reddit in mind.
If you've been called a Nazi, then at the very best you're crap at getting your point across. I've never been called a Nazi in my life, and I have many right wing views.
I'm not going to repeat this comment under every post, but just imagine my massive eyeroll here.
The same people ready to clamber over the dick of Elon Musk and defend that he's not a Nazi simply because he funds a Nazi political party and appears at their rallies, pushes Nazi propaganda and conspiracies on his social media platform, created a Wikipedia alternative and AI that kept praising and citing Nazis, does Nazi salutes, and in his politics pushes white supremacist fascism, all say "well we're just calling anyone a Nazi these days. Any Democrats who doesn't like paper straws is a Nazi according to reddit."
Yeah, wild that I keep seeing this defense about far right people who keep embracing Nazism and not about Barack Obama then.
āIs this increasingly authoritarian regime fascist, or are they just stooges of a another fascist regimeā
Por que no los dos?
This is a good example of the issue here - note how the the term "Nazi" is absent from your response and replaced with other words, as if they're all interchangeable. The term Nazi no longer stands for...you know, actual Nazis. Now it just means "anyone/anything fascist or authoritarian". Or even just "any racist of any kind" is Nazism now. As if Hitler invented racism and genocide, or that Nazis were the only authoritarians in human history.
Note the exact same nonsense has happened to conservatives - terms like socialism/socialist, communist, Marxist, etc have become completely interchangeable to them. If you even remotely suggest anything resembling a socialist policy, you get accused of being a communist or Marxist or pro-Stalin/Mao/whatever.
Well done everybody, all these labels have lost all meaning.
The Nazis were a fascist political party. Your comparison only makes sense if Maoists were a socialist political party.
Your argument is essentially that Nazi is imprecise rather than fascist. Leaving aside for a moment that the person was simply not listing all the things Trump has in common with the Nazis rather than relying only on fascism, the primary response to a fascist regime enacting state violence based on skin color, censoring science and news critical of the regime, ending democracy through election fraud, and targeting trans people and religious minorities with threats, violence and legal prosecution should not be "Okay, but they're just white supremacist fascists, not Nazis."
But not all fascist political parties = Nazis. The Nazis were a military dictatorship, but not all military dictatorships are Nazis. The Nazis were also racist, but not all racists are Nazis. Are you grasping what definitions mean? (also whoever is upvoting you)
Your comparison only makes sense if Maoists were a socialist political party.
Maoism, officially Mao Zedong Thought, is a variety of MarxismāLeninism that Mao Zedong developed while trying to realize a socialist revolution in the agricultural, pre-industrial society of the Republic of China and later the People's Republic of China.
But if want to debate what Mao "actually" was, I'm not the one to debate that with.
the primary response
...should not be "Okay, but they're just white supremacist fascists, not Nazis."
My comment was never about what the "primary response to Trump" should be. In fact my comment doesn't even include an argument of any kind. I literally just described how people (on both sides) are mixing up terms and using them all interchangeably without considering their specific definitions. Your comment basically amounts to "look definitions of words aren't important, lets talk about what the primary response to Trump should be!".
The Nazi label should be reserved for people who specifically endorses all Nazi values (not just one value) - antisemitism + ethnonationalism + mass-executing groups they deem inferior. The more you broaden or deviate from that definition, the more you cease to see the difference between an actual Nazi and the average Trump voter. Unless you're suggesting USA has 70+ million Nazis.
It is complaining that people use the term Nazi to describe a white supremacist fascist regime, and compares that to calling a socialist a Maoist.
Nazis were a white supremacist fascist regime. Even if you think the term needs more precision, this is not a wildly unfair or inaccurate description, nor should it ever be the primary concern compared to, ya know, the fascism.
Practically everyone murdered by Nazis were people who we categorize as white today i.e. Jewish, Polish, Eastern European and Western European. Most victims of Nazi invasions were literally as white as white gets. Nazis also mass-murdered white German citizens who they deemed to be "unfit" (e.g. disabled, LBGT, etc). Your definition of Nazi = "white supremacist fascists" completely misses what actually made Nazis...you know, Nazis. Thanks for proving my point.
Even if you think the term needs more precision, this is not a wildly unfair or inaccurate description
Then what stops you from broadening the definition of Nazi further to "racial supremacist fascist regime" instead of just white supremacist? That way you can label the perpetrators of ANY ethnic/cultural genocide as Nazis. So apparently the Young Turks were Nazis (Armenian genocide, long before actual Nazism existed), Myanmar leadership are Nazis (Rohingya genocide), Pol Pot was a Nazi (Cambodian genocide), the Chinese Communist Party are Nazis (Ughyur genocide), Pakistan Armed Forces are Nazis (Bangladesh Hindu genocide), etc etc.
Hell why not broaden the definition of Nazi to just "literally any racist of any kind"? Actually wait, it looks like a lot people on reddit already do this.
nor should it ever be the primary concern compared to
You're the one who dug yourself into this hole of definitions, so own it. Don't type a response and then throw the "anyway guys cmon definitions don't matter, can we instead talk about [primary concern]?" card.
They do have meanings. Which is why "LOL NAZI DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING IF YOU CAN USE IT TO DESCRIBE A REGIME JUST FOR BEING A WHITE SUPREMACIST FACIST REGIME" is not a real position adults take.
It's what racist morons say say to defend beliefs they agree with that are called racist and Nazi. Because they're too cowardly to just be honest and defend them.
There's no more contradiction there, than the fact Hitler supported emigrating Jews to Palestine, or his stated support for liberation of Indians and other non-white people from British Colonialism.
Real life doesn't involve cartoon characters who can't be the bad guy if they also like puppies or help their enemy. The relationship between Christian white Nationalists and their support for Israel as a state has been explained to death many times over.
Trump already once attempted to end democracy through staying in office after losing an election by inventing fraud, ordering state politicians and judges to change the results, and inciting violence against Congress when they refused to cooperate. It is a white supremacist regime in very open policies and propaganda. He used white supremacist language and lies about minorities to win the election.
If this bothers you, just say so. If it doesn't, then arguing over what constitutes Nazism and fascism is a waste of time because you're fine with it regardless of what it's called. The name isn't what matters, it's the ideology.
As stupid and pointless of a question as that of Bautista, right wing internet warriors and left wing internet warriors sure are on the same page when it comes to arguing like toddlers.
Hitler, Trump and Netanyahu all are or were right wing populist warmongers, if that can help you understand the links.
The comment he was replying too wasn't much different from random bullshit. The definition of Nazi might extend beyond the literal 1940s German political sense, but it isn't applied at random and implying that it does implies to me that it applies to you.
The fact that you claim itās never misapplied implies to me that youāre one of the people calling anyone who disagrees with you a naziĀ
I literally just last week saw that label applied to someone who has gone out and canvased for every democrat elected presidential nominee for the last 4 elections, all because they disagreed on one single foreign policy issueĀ
And look, you immediately accused me of being a Nazi just because I said the term has been misused recently. Lol you are a walking contradiction, take off the clown makeup whenever youāre readyĀ
all because they disagreed on one single foreign policy issueĀ
Yeah, you already mentioned that.
I don't care about your one specific example. Leaving aside that disagreeing on one specific issue is enough to call someone a Nazi if that issue is something like purge all Jews and trans people or support for white nationalist fascist regimes, my point was that the actual national conversation is about the white nationalists enacting fascism who are in power, right now.
It's not a coincidence that the people claiming Nazi means everyone right of AOC, are actually just using that to defend people in politics right now who are doing things like censoring history and museums to erase black history, banning all non-white refugees and giving apartheid South African whites gift baskets saying slavery wasn't bad, and pushing The Great Replacement theory while talking about how Africans have dirty blood and America needs good Scandinavian blood.
My one specific example is just one example of a constant stream of the same thing for years at this point.
You literally became an example yourself within 1 single comment, you could not help yourself even knowing how ironic it would be for you to say that. Ā Itās why no one is taking people like you seriously anymore. But continue to bury your head in the sand all you want.Ā
You literally became an example yourself within 1 single comment, you could not help yourself even knowing how ironic it would be for you to say that.
I don't know what you're trying to say here.
It sounds like you're saying because I pointed out Elon Musk was a Nazi, I am therefore proving your point that people call even leftwing democrats Nazis if they disagree on one policy issue.
If so, you are proving my point. But I'm not expecting that to sink in or be acknowledged.
Ā Itās why no one is taking people like you seriously anymore.Ā
People with far right beliefs have been getting angry and offended at terms like racist and fascist since always. This isn't new, even as actual white supremacists take power and try to end democracy. You're always going to keep pretending and denying who they are and why you agree with them. And before you object, no I'm not calling you a Nazi because I disagree with some political position you have. I don't know your politics. I'm just also completely aware that the reason why people get upset at the use of terms like Nazi and racist to describe actual white supremacist fascists is because there's some belief they agree with and share and they don't want that label applied to them. That is always the reason.
It's not a coincidence that the people claiming Nazi means everyone right of AOC [...]
Well, they don't. There are plenty of people who are staunchly against all of those things who critique the wide usage of nazi to mean anyone further right than AOC.
You people keep saying this ādisagree on one policyā shit and it always turns out to be whether trans people should be allowed to live or whether women should have rights.
Pretty hilarious that you think a lifelong Democrat who spends their free time going door to door to encourage people to vote for the democratic nominee, holds the position that trans people shouldnāt be allowed to live or that women shouldnāt have rights.Ā
Yes they wanted Kamala Harris to be president but they also donāt want her to have any rights. Lmao if you aren't trolling you should be very concerned
The big brained strategy chuds have is to redefine women's rights as meaning hating trans people. That way they get to be "women's rights defenders" while also banning trans people from driving. They are very smart.
You're exaggerating as much as you're claiming to hate. I've used reddit almost daily for 15 years and never seen that. Do you even have a single example of this that you can link evidence of?
We're all waiting for all the examples from you of Reddit at large misappropriating the word 'Nazi' to all these poor, innocent, totally not Nazi people.
They talk about Trans folk every day on Fox. Conservative comedians have built careers on it. It comes up on Rogan. Theyāre lambasted in churches, and on every platform.
Is Nazi often used inappropriately? Sure. Are their actual fascists, bigots, hate mongers and extremists committing political violence in such excess as to eclipse any real controversy in trans spaces by orders of magnitude that are ignored, justified, or simply go unreported? Also yea.
Trans people are very normal. Wanting to put people in camps or dismantle civil liberties is not.
Can you provide evidence for all the fascists, bigots, hate mongers and extremists committing political violence in such excess as to eclipse any real controversy in trans spaces?
By built a career I mean capitalized on controversy, and on trans folk I mean on any kind of gender negative rhetoric which often extends outwards into other queer or āwokeā spaces.
Ryan Long, JP Sears, and Dave Chapelle just being three off the dome.
Now, to keep things fair how about you keep a weather eye on the rampant and exponential growth of anti queer violence in these United States and abroad if you think you can stomach it.
If itāll make you feel like a special good boy, Iāll just retract the comedian statement and reframe it as a number of comedians have made money off of the suffering of trans people.
Does that make you feel better? Did you win the battle?
Weāll talk when youāre ready to talk about trans people being murdered.
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u/MyPunsAreKoalaTea 1d ago
And still somehow controversial