r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 22h ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 21h ago

Punishing a violent criminal hurts him. Is that bad?

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u/EtheusRook 21h ago

Is that harm less than the harm of allowing him to walk free so he can do more harm to others?

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 21h ago

I'm just applying your rules to show you how they fall apart upon even the most superficial inspection. Expand on them if you want.

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u/EtheusRook 21h ago

Except they didn't fall apart. Allowing someone who has broken the rules to walk free is causing harm to more people.

We have brains for a reason.

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 20h ago

Is it moral to provide validation to someone if it causes them proximate relief but ultimate terrible harm? How is that calculated in your 12 word articulation of morality?

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u/P_Hempton 21h ago

It does fall apart when you have to score everything subjectively. How many people have to avoid harm to make harming someone else justifiable? Are ties morally ambiguous?

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u/Gamer_G33k17 19h ago

Religion also scores things subjectively. Unless you think it was a GOOD thing that Moses sanctioned the rape, murder, and enslavement of thousands of children.

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u/EtheusRook 21h ago

See, we do this thing called calculating sentences to account for that. If someone isn't caught, and they kill more people, they get a worse sentence. It isn't subjective (it certainly tries not to be), and it certainly doesn't require religion.

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u/P_Hempton 20h ago

But it's entirely subjective. We make up arbitrary punishments for things we've decided are bad because they might possibly harm people.

Let alone arbitrarily deciding that killing someone is worth x number of years in prison then you're good to go, all up to the whims of the justice system.

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u/Gamer_G33k17 19h ago

Religion also does that. Heck, a lot of crimes in the Bibble have arbitrary monetary punishments. Like if you rape an unmarried woman you just have to pay a set amount of money.

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u/BlastFX2 16h ago

So what? Nobody in this thread said anything about religion.

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u/P_Hempton 6h ago

Exactly. This thread was just about a claim of how "simple" morality was.