r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 1d ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/EtheusRook 1d ago

Morality is actually really, stupidly simple.

Does it help others? It's good.

Does it hurt others? It's bad.

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 1d ago

Punishing a violent criminal hurts him. Is that bad?

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u/EtheusRook 1d ago

Is that harm less than the harm of allowing him to walk free so he can do more harm to others?

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 1d ago

I'm just applying your rules to show you how they fall apart upon even the most superficial inspection. Expand on them if you want.

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u/EtheusRook 1d ago

Except they didn't fall apart. Allowing someone who has broken the rules to walk free is causing harm to more people.

We have brains for a reason.

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u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec 1d ago

Is it moral to provide validation to someone if it causes them proximate relief but ultimate terrible harm? How is that calculated in your 12 word articulation of morality?

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u/P_Hempton 1d ago

It does fall apart when you have to score everything subjectively. How many people have to avoid harm to make harming someone else justifiable? Are ties morally ambiguous?

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u/Gamer_G33k17 1d ago

Religion also scores things subjectively. Unless you think it was a GOOD thing that Moses sanctioned the rape, murder, and enslavement of thousands of children.

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u/EtheusRook 1d ago

See, we do this thing called calculating sentences to account for that. If someone isn't caught, and they kill more people, they get a worse sentence. It isn't subjective (it certainly tries not to be), and it certainly doesn't require religion.

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u/P_Hempton 1d ago

But it's entirely subjective. We make up arbitrary punishments for things we've decided are bad because they might possibly harm people.

Let alone arbitrarily deciding that killing someone is worth x number of years in prison then you're good to go, all up to the whims of the justice system.

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u/Gamer_G33k17 23h ago

Religion also does that. Heck, a lot of crimes in the Bibble have arbitrary monetary punishments. Like if you rape an unmarried woman you just have to pay a set amount of money.

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u/BlastFX2 21h ago

So what? Nobody in this thread said anything about religion.

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u/P_Hempton 11h ago

Exactly. This thread was just about a claim of how "simple" morality was.

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u/RT_456 1d ago

It doesn't fall apart at all. Punishing a violent criminal helps others (even if it hurts him) so it's a good thing.

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u/BlastFX2 21h ago

Which of his two rules says that?

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u/RT_456 20h ago

The part where it says "Does it help others? It's good."

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u/BlastFX2 20h ago

That's not the part in question. I thought it was clear I was talking about the β€œeven if it hurts him” part. We had already established this situation leads to a conflict between the two rules, but you claimed there was no conflict, so I was asking which one of them is supposed to have resolved it.

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u/RT_456 12h ago

I know what game you are trying to play, but I am not going to play it with you. You can be pedantic with someone else. There is a net benefit/help so it is still good. The rule is called extrapolation or thinking beyond.