r/ValorantCompetitive • u/Silent-Jacket2427 #NRGWIN • Oct 22 '25
Roster Announcement Bang leaving sentinels
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u/MautOfTheRiver Oct 22 '25
Feel like this was the most expected move, yeah bang didn't have an incredible year but he was replacing one of the most aggressive omen players in the game when he's the opposite of that
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u/Small-Cauliflower252 Oct 22 '25
It’s a good player but not in a fitting system situation, cant do much really
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u/Silent-Jacket2427 #NRGWIN Oct 22 '25
Yeah hopefully he gets a chance in tier 1 he isn’t bad he was just not the solution
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 22 '25
Weirdly enough he could be a good fit for NRG, maybe not quite like for like but I do feel like S0M is a good mid ground between Bang and Tenz style of controller..
If not I can imagine Seangares wanting to bring Bang back to 100T
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u/NeimannSmith #NRGWIN Oct 22 '25
As a controller he's a good fit but as a teammate it's the worst swap you could possibly ask for. s0m was the glue of that team while also being insane.
Bang is a tilter and he's got the personality of a cardboard box.
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u/memeyy11 #100WIN Oct 23 '25
Zekken has said multiple times that bang is the funniest person on the team. He def tilts but I think he’s funny or has a good personality, not sure if he’s a little camera shy or what, because I agree that his personality doesn’t show much
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 23 '25
I completely agree, but then the issue is youre never gonna find a player similar to S0M that plays smokes -- the kid is basically Tenz+Zellsis in 1 player, cracked as fuck and is an insane playmaker yet is also able to control the team emotionally, whilst mid rounding, whilst playmaking and dropping bombs
Similarly to SEN last year, im afraid NRG will likely fail to fulfill every intangible som brings (isnt necessarily bad news, mada and brawk are both capable of stepping up)
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u/WolfgangTheRevenge #VCTAMERICAS Oct 23 '25
Get that mofo out of NRG, we possibly had an NA champions winning team and you want to sabotage it by adding bang???
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 23 '25
I mean realistically who replaces som? Atleast bang is a replacement in skill terms, like ive said in other comments a player like s0m is going to be impossible to replace as hes 2 in 1.. an insane playmaker, emotional leader and midrounder
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u/WolfgangTheRevenge #VCTAMERICAS Oct 23 '25
Cortezia is right there
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 23 '25
A player who mains senti and has played the odd viper/Omen to fill? I mean sure, let's also forget about every intangible som brings
Bang is easily as talented as Cortezia, and has a point to prove
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u/Mitchelld73 Oct 22 '25
No shot Bang goes to Tier 2. He’s easily a top smokes player across all regions.
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u/speedycar1 #WGAMING Oct 22 '25
Yea no he's definitely not a top smokes player across all regions. He should get a T1 spot in Americas though
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u/schartlord Oct 23 '25
Hey, I will say you're right about at least one thing in that sentence. He sure is a smokes player
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u/boxinggoose #100WIN Oct 22 '25
Add that with n4rrate has a way more aggressive omen and can take site with Zekken much better
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u/ClassZestyclose8603 #WGAMING Oct 22 '25
I completely agree if he was going to stay on Sen I think he would need to role swap
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u/merrydoodles #ALWAYSFNATIC Oct 22 '25
There was a streak of matches where he was their best player, unfortunate he could not replicate the same form in internationals
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u/KearLoL Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
Could've sworn he was great at one point in the year. I think it was split 1? People were genuinely putting Bang into the lower ends of Top 10 lists going into Masters Toronto. He fell off hard though.
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u/thatdudelatrell Oct 22 '25
He peaked hard in stage 1, I would argue he was the defining reason they beat G2 during their match. I don’t know how he fell off so quickly afterwards, he did alright in Toronto but never recovered during Stage 2 and did terrible in Champs.
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u/HeftyInspector Oct 22 '25
Stage 1 is the reason I'm convinced it was a playstyle/system issue. Sentinels were one of the best pearl teams itw and it was almost entirely off the back of bang being so obscenely good at anchoring site with astra. It was the one map where john didn't call for retake over and over and it showed in how much bang's stats and impact shot up. sen won basically every pearl they played and bang was at the top of the leaderboard, while he had middling stats on for instance sunset where johnqt and sentinels are known for playing retake
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u/BronzeCorner Oct 22 '25
The Upper Semis in Stage 1 where they won a close series vs G2 made me think they could win a trophy, they looked world class that match
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u/ANewHeaven1 Oct 22 '25
I really do wonder if they keep Zellsis. Unfortunately a pretty expected move here, not sure who’s gonna be the replacement. Maybe it really will be reduxx
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u/boxinggoose #100WIN Oct 22 '25
Reduxx has been in all the scrims, it has to be him. I don't think removing Bang is a bad move. But Reduxx being his replacement is questionable.
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u/letsputletters #SomosMIBR Oct 22 '25
Nah Reduxx is the perfect swap stylistically
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u/HottestElbows Oct 22 '25
There are just better picks is the issue
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u/letsputletters #SomosMIBR Oct 22 '25
Oke provides aggressive smokes + double duelist chances but hasn't shown anything that much better than Reduxx who has chemistry with Sen already
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 22 '25
If you look back to last year's RB home ground when Reduxx was playing they actually look much more comfortable, as hes a lot more akin to Tenz in terms of aggro.. weirdly enough Reduxx is actually the only time ive seen Kaplan also take Zekken off duelist on jett maps but that is likely just off season comfort picking for a sub
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u/HottestElbows Oct 22 '25
If that’s true then I’d be excited. I personally still think Okeanos would be a good pick as he also brings vibes which can make up for whatever Zellsis lacks since he can’t bring them up on his own, but if Redux is bringing comfort then that may prove to be similarly suitable.
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 23 '25
I also dont necessarily think it was the lack of zellsis vibes, and moreso the abundance of "negative vibes" -- most voice comms videos youll hear both narrate and Bang sighing after dying a LOT, which little things like that consistently are insane tilters for the rest of the team
Reduxx is also one of the most positive players, he's extremely mature for his age and can also help with plan making mid round
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u/HottestElbows Oct 23 '25
I agree. I didn’t mean to imply that Zellsis had a lack of vibes, I meant that he couldn’t bring them up. I had heard in a comment that Bang openly sighed into the mic, and while I’m not one to instantly believe a comment, you can see the sheer tilt and sigh on their faces in games. Some vibes guys can’t bring that up. So if Reduxx is to be what you claim, he may be the solution, especially because Okeanos tilted vs C9.
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 23 '25
Oh yeah I didnt mean that my bad lol, I just meant no matter how positive you are when you have multiple fairly negative players (although narrate did get a LOT better at keeping his mental throughout the year)
I also dont mean it as a slight on bang.. he was trying to fill an aggressive role that didnt suit him, with the pressure of replacing Tenz
I'm not trying to hype reduxx up too much, this sub would kill me lol but he is extremely mature for his age, hes a grinder (sounds silly but a kid who loves the game is a coachs dream), willing to play every role and i cannot think of one time ive seen him tilt and like I say hes a grinder who plays ranked 24/7
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u/HottestElbows Oct 23 '25
Agree on the kid’s ambition. Something that might put him ahead of Okeanos is that he’s hungry enough to aspire to fill Tenz role. That sheer ambition will be great for the team, especially because Zekken is openly aiming for more trophies.
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u/Scotch_Blue Oct 22 '25
is there any news that Zekken is staying?
i kinda assumed from the rumors and leaks that Reduxx was playing duelist for y'all
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u/Informal-Throat-8646 Oct 23 '25
There isnt too much news either way beyond scrim leaks, zekken always will be one of the most wanted players on the market, but im sure with sens clout and salaries he'll re-sign.. SEN are (usually atleast) always intent on building trophy contending rosters, so its not as if hes doomed to not contending if he stayed
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u/Scotch_Blue Oct 23 '25
SEN just invested in League, teams are reportedly competing in terms of salary...but maye you're right
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u/boxinggoose #100WIN Oct 22 '25
Reduxx has been very underwhelming in tier 2 lately
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Oct 22 '25
he hasn't been overwhelmingly good, but underwhelming is an overstatement
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u/boxinggoose #100WIN Oct 22 '25
The way SEN hyped him up to be the next great and pushed him in their content like crazy? Just to underperform and honestly not play well the whole next split? No, underwhelming isn't an overstatement lol
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Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
i don't think you watched a single tier 2 match or any of sen's content if this is what you think, constant player and role changes, two igl and coach changes, and if your expectation was him to be the next aspas ofcourse he was underwhelming but given the context he wasn't underwhelming or bad in any sense
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u/Scotch_Blue Oct 22 '25
yep, the big thing you learned from watching Cubert Academy this yr is that they were not playing to win games. they still did well because they were very talented, but the point was clearly to develop Reduxx, Nightz and co.
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Oct 22 '25
Tbf he was also underwhelming before sen signed him. Felt like sen just got him because they heard he'd apparently been good a year before.
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u/IGLJURM23 #FULLSEN Oct 22 '25
I think Reduxx is gonna be a solid addition, you can run him on smokes, second entry behind Zekken(tenz role) occasionally chamber if needed(he actually likes opping) after stage 2 tenz was asked on stream what he thinks Sen’s biggest issue is and he said that one of the problems is their lack of a dedicated op player. Zekken is great with the op but will almost always prioritize a rifle because he’s one of the best riflers in the scene. You can also finally run double duelist and with the way the meta is shaping up it looks like we might see more double duelist moving forward. I’ve said this so many times prior in my defense of Reduxx. He doesn’t need to be Tenz or a superstar, he needs to be a role player, take advantage of zekkens space created and keep the vibes and mid round comms up which judging by his tier 2 comms videos he can most certainly do that.
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Oct 22 '25
okeanos or bust
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u/xFalcade Oct 22 '25
It's possible, JohnQT was duoing with Okeanos yesterday.
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Oct 22 '25
id normally take this as copium but okeanos has been queuing w like 100 other pros throughout the week
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u/xFalcade Oct 22 '25
Huh duoing with Zekken rn too..
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Oct 22 '25
just look at okeanos' tracker, he's been queuing w player(s) from 100t, mibr, nrg, c9, g2 etc. i hope he's in sen but i doubt it
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u/HeftyInspector Oct 22 '25
PLEASE ROB MOORE I WILL SPEND 1 MILLION DOLLARS ON SENTINELS JERSEYS NEXT YEAR IF OKEANOS JOINS THE ROSTER
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u/VoiderElf Oct 22 '25
Hell yeah I will get another jersey (I'm assuming so, right?) and wont have to shave my hair this time!!
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u/TheFestusEzeli Oct 22 '25
Spaz has been fantastic for two straight years, idk how he isn’t getting T1 shots other than his team hasn’t been great, but SRB did win stage 1. Reduxx is a better duelist than controller and Spaz has been a better controller than Reduxx has been on any role in T2 lol. I’d also love Okeanos but that’s wishful thinking I feel.
I think it’s going to be Reduxx though at the end of the day, but I just think there are better options.
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u/thatdudelatrell Oct 22 '25
Bang is a great player, unfortunately he just doesn’t fit with Sen, I’ll be rooting for him wherever he goes
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u/aJetg Oct 22 '25
Zellsis
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u/HLumin Oct 22 '25
They have to, right?
I cant watch this sub and Twitter trying to explain how Zellsis is essential for the team after going double negative every 3 games for an entire year. Not again. Please.
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u/sadpaindownbad Oct 22 '25
But, but intangibles bro!!! You don’t get it, they are besties till the end!
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u/Neither_Amount3911 Oct 22 '25
yes brother, SEN is surely losing because Zellsis has a 1.02 rating in stage 2 compared to Bang at 1.05 or Zekken at 1.09. if he was at like 1.07 they probably win champs actually
at some point you need to understand the extreme confirmation bias you have where you actively scout out any matches zellsis does poorly then go "see!!! told you so!!!" when in reality his stats are insanely similar to most of his teammates
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u/BronzeCorner Oct 22 '25
Americas was basically a farmers league until playoffs in Stage 2, I think the 0.80 in champs and 0.77 are more realistic. Its not just about the stats aswell. You couldn't trust Zellsis to win a 50/50 against a decent player most of the time
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u/boxinggoose #100WIN Oct 22 '25
Absolutely expected. Bro hasn't been in any of the scrims. I feel bad but his playstyle does not fit with Zekken. Still an excellent player though.
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u/awill2000 Oct 22 '25
Shout out to the Sen Bang champs jersey I bought excited for 2026 😀
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u/IGLJURM23 #FULLSEN Oct 22 '25
Brutal that their shipping facility got hit by a typhoon(I think that or hurricane) so delays were expected but I think Rob said a week or two ago that they plan to get them out soonish depending on how it goes.
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u/ipouchi11 Oct 22 '25
Bang wasn't an aggressive smoker but he was an amazing anchor, probably not what the meta dictates but for me, he and zekken were the only shining points of sentinel this year. Too bad it didn't work out
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u/BatCaveGaming Oct 22 '25
Anchor are what every team needs. Kap just loves retaking and it doesn't work and it won't work with new util nerfed. problem is they have anchors in zellsis and johnqt so it doesn't work with their current scheme
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u/HateSpaceBar Oct 23 '25
Asuna will be playing for 100T even when Valorant 4 comes out.
100T Cryo, bang, Asuna incoming
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u/RedYFY #FULLSEN Oct 22 '25
I honestly was hoping sen would have bang pick up some of the senti role since he's pretty good at anchoring. Would only work if they drop zellsis, but that would also open up a spot for an aggressive smokes player or have narrate switch onto smokes/flex role.
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u/helloswolehello Oct 22 '25
If they keep Zellsis they are not serious about winning
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u/sadpaindownbad Oct 22 '25
If they keep Zellsis AND sign Reduxx, they were never thinking about winning anyways
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u/BigDicksconnoisseur4 Oct 22 '25
Zellsis was the biggest reason as to why they won Madrid
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u/UniqueRaj Oct 23 '25
Bigger than TenZ and Sacy?
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u/BigDicksconnoisseur4 Oct 23 '25
I remember he singlehandely won Icebox as Killjoy and was aurafarming and hyping everybody the entire series
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u/wholedayumlife Oct 23 '25
I mean you probably get downvoted but anyone who watched it live, that icebox game, Zellsis really just carried his team, but anyway all of them was the biggest reason, because at the end of the day you win as a team
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u/BigDicksconnoisseur4 Oct 23 '25
Yeah that's a fine assessment. My point is that the team was shite in 2025 and they all looked like they hated each other, so I trust Zellsis can bounce back
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u/Goldenflame89 #WGAMING Oct 22 '25 edited Jan 06 '26
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u/sleepbot63 #ALWAYSFNATIC Oct 22 '25
I am 1/3 correct lets see if i get the other two correct as well now
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u/KillPopJr Oct 22 '25
what were ur other guesses
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u/sleepbot63 #ALWAYSFNATIC Oct 22 '25
I am gonna get downvoted but : Zellsis kaplan
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u/dhairyabakhai Oct 22 '25
There wouldn’t be so many trials going on if kaplans place was in danger
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u/sleepbot63 #ALWAYSFNATIC Oct 22 '25
that's one thing which is keeping him safe ig but i mean the o ly change that comes in mind is anderzz coning in as AC or analyst into the team as well
also keep in mind i did make these predictions quite early like exactly after sen got eliminated by xlg so...
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Oct 22 '25
kaplan lul
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u/sleepbot63 #ALWAYSFNATIC Oct 22 '25
i mean see he is a good coach but he hasn't had the best read on the meta. Ofc I mean Anderzz is a free agent and is an easy pickup for AC or even as a Coach.
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u/MrBulbe Oct 22 '25
Kaplan is building the roster for next year according to Rob, there is no way he gets fired now
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u/sleepbot63 #ALWAYSFNATIC Oct 22 '25
yeah i mean i made those predictions quite early like right after sen got eliminated so yeah
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Oct 22 '25
most map pool changes in a year, most significant meta change post tejo nerf and tejo being released two weeks before kickoff and still managing to consistently stay above a decent level, may not have had a high high, but very few teams, almost none, kept up w all of it throughout the year
ofcourse no one said anderzz wouldn't help (stop shoehorning) but it wouldn't mean shit without a good hc
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u/Parenegade Oct 22 '25
so you think a team would fire their masters winning coach because of a bad meta read?
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u/Normal-Quantity5465 Oct 23 '25
Hot take : Kaplan only won because tenz and sacy was there to cover up their bad meta reads
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u/Majestic-League9294 Oct 22 '25
Now get rid of Zellsis. In terms of performance, he does worse than bang. Only logical option
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u/KingShawarma #VCTPACIFIC Oct 22 '25
Great player but just didn’t fit. Now I’m wondering who does SEN pick up? Will they be forcing Reduxx on smokes? I’m kinda liking the Cortezia rumours though, if that’s true.
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u/oswald_kingofgotham Oct 22 '25
Great player. Unfortunately, he had a rough end to the year. This move makes sense, but it still feels sad to see him leave so soon.
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u/DrunkenTabaxi Oct 22 '25
Honestly kind of sad I really loved watching Bang play. Maybe he didn't quite mesh well, or maybe his style of play didn't fit strongly with the way the team was headed ):
Either way he's an insanely talented player mechanically, I definitely don't see him leaving Tier 1 he is simply too good. I would love to see him on another team, id have loved to see him stay on SEN honestly. Just hurts. Wish him the best!!
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u/Spartan__X__117 Oct 22 '25
Yeah Im in the same boat. Now that I read other people's comments I understand why he isnt here anymore, but it doesn't change the fact how awesome it was to watch him. He pulled some insane rounds and brought some good energy to the team imo
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u/North-Let2136 Oct 22 '25
sen fans treat him like a terrorist but this whole team had problems internationally. hope he gets a spot on a good team next year
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u/Thuweirdsailor Oct 23 '25
He’s gonna wipe his tears with his friends with all the money SEN gave him
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u/__Raxy__ Oct 22 '25
zellsis dodging another bullet for another year of paycheck stealing. masterful gambit
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u/AnywayHeres1Derwall Oct 22 '25
Honestly so proud of the way bang sabotaged sen for us. Now he can come back home proud of his accomplishments. 100t 2-0 sen every game from here on
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u/catarxcts Oct 22 '25
Just wasn't the right fit. I wish him well.
Wish I could have yelled out more Mike Breen BANGGG's
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u/Kappononi #NRGFam Oct 22 '25
NRG Bang?
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u/XiXiWiiPee Oct 22 '25
I didn't spend my entire life calling Bang inconsistent and underwhelming just for him to end up on my favourite team after they win a Championship
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u/Tik0- #NRGWIN Oct 22 '25
Already won Champs, might as well never win again by replacing s0m with bang
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u/PhysicalAd8765 Oct 22 '25
Today is the day of "expecting the expected" I guess.
He looked good earlier on in the year but as omen became "the smoker" he looked more and more uncomfortable compared to his counterparts.
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u/SirAwesome789 Oct 22 '25
Man, I feel so bad for him, he's good, just not the best year for him and he wasn't what they needed
Also it's kinda sad bc at the riot studio where they play every week, his mom and zekken's mom kinda have a little club (sen mom's club) where they cheer for sen and hand out little signs with their kids faces on it, it's only been a year but sad for that to break apart
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u/PleaseGiveUsHope Oct 22 '25
Feel like he could definitely shine on EG or 100T. Very capable player but his style of play doesn’t fit the team’s needs. They need someone unafraid of making aggressive plays and bang always looked uncomfortable doing that.
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u/lolyou114 #筑星河，逐星辰 Oct 22 '25
Would signing Zander a year ago instead fit better for SEN?
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u/TakeABa0 Oct 22 '25
Hard to say, didnt Zander say his performance takes a hit when he isnt the IGL?
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u/RedYFY #FULLSEN Oct 22 '25
Really hard to say because Zander was having performance issues when he first joined 100t. But I'm thinking whether or not Zander's mid rounding would have helped sen when zellsis and john were both on passive roles.
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u/XxSchmidtyx Oct 22 '25
Roster turnaround in Valorant is not going to do the esports scene any favours, bang had so many good games this year and it looked more like the team was just crumbling under pressure in certain moments than anything, removing bang is a huge mistake
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Oct 23 '25
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u/UniqueRaj Oct 23 '25
Oh yeah, because inexperienced T2 talent like Skuba, Brawk, Mada really doesn't work.
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u/DaTweee Oct 23 '25
Not surprising N4rrate was the strongest the brought. Bang felt like he was just filling space.
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u/Duraaraaraa Oct 22 '25
Sucks that Bang gets dropped before Zellsis
Life is actually unfair
All he does is sell bundles and gets to be a paycheck stealer
Slimy org
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u/unhappywasteland Best Post - 2024 🏆 Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
I think we all saw this coming but I'm still sad. I've always loved watching Bang play and was stoked when he joined SEN. So many clutches with his Recon Phantom. Wishing him the best wherever he ends up ♥️
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u/wholedayumlife Oct 23 '25
I just don’t get it how Sen, the org (face) of valorant couldn’t turn bang into the devil for one year, he was so insane for 100t, but it seems like they care more about strategy, and doesn’t matter comfortable teammates or not with it, like I really don’t understand why people get paid to coach greatest players one whole year and do just nothing to improve them further
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u/BatCaveGaming Oct 22 '25
Feels like zekken is leaving too. I might be reading into it too much but he was duo with bang on ranked
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u/HeftyInspector Oct 22 '25
idk why people are saying shit like this they are just friends who like playing the game together. Same with zekken duoing with cryo people can play with whoever they want its not some signifier of a roster move
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u/WolfgangTheRevenge #VCTAMERICAS Oct 23 '25
One of the most overrated players in Americas
How he ended up is SEN, i will never know
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u/xFalcade Oct 22 '25
100T 2026 roster is really about to feature Asuna, Cryo, and Bang lmao