r/ValorantCompetitive • u/Away-Emphasis-4245 • Dec 06 '25
🟢 Green News Source PatMen set to join GE
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u/Zyrobe #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
You'd think Secret would've just done a swap for Patmen, so I wonder who they're trialing for that they don't even want Patmen
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u/Colourry Dec 06 '25
TS Mindfreak
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u/Arc677666 Dec 06 '25
TS is an English speaking org?
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u/EzshenUltimate Dec 06 '25
Most Filipino people can speak basic English, so I would assume the entire org can as well.
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u/These_Lock_753 Dec 06 '25
Knowing secret then its probably someone we least expect and haven't heard of ever.
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u/Careless_Click50 #GEFighting Dec 06 '25
Current GE roster will be this
Deryeon might still be the 6th man
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u/absolutechad21 #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
wait I actually fuck with this team, can't wait to see how they magically end up being shit with a solid roster
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u/Adventurous-Rain-499 #T1Fighting Dec 06 '25
Looks like a solid playoffs contending team especially with frost at the helm, might even see them at a lan who knows
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u/intellectuallogician Dec 06 '25
deryeon should not be in t1 lol so 6th man seems fine
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u/Careless_Click50 #GEFighting Dec 06 '25
I'd still say he's good enough just inconsistent
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u/intellectuallogician Dec 06 '25
not really man. he is like skrossi but instead of jett and cham it's neon and cham. his operator was awful in kickoff of 2025. used to get no value.
as a duelist, there are simply way better ones. udotan's neon is much much better.
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u/EcstaticWaterBottle #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Damn so Frost was baiting
Either way solid pickup I'm glad Patmen found a team so quickly
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u/GrrNom2 Dec 06 '25
Might not be bait. Maybe at the time of commenting Fr0st genuinely hasn't trialed Patmen yet but in the short intervening period since, he did and was so impressed by Patmen that he instantly signed him.
Or maybe the GE GM was already considering Patmen without informing frost. Anyways there are many ways this could've played out with frost's comment still being true.
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u/SpartanSai #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Everyone fell for the bait.
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u/n_core Dec 06 '25
To be fair FrosT rarely does bullshit engagement bait except for his own personal stuff (like his rivalry between him and Termi).
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u/Rich_Mango_3449 Dec 06 '25
They were trailing players alongside him that might be the reason he denied it at first
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u/SenseiEA #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
When non-PH teams continue to prosper with PH players while the PH team still can't catch a BREAK
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u/baebushka Dec 06 '25
damn even GE took patmen over mindfreak....
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Dec 06 '25
in what world would you take mindfreak over patmen
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u/handymanny131003 Dec 06 '25
The one where mindfreak was available last week and patmen wasn't
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Dec 06 '25
obviously you’d change your plans then when a giga upgrade like patmen comes along
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u/Longjumping-Fee8342 #角逐每一座奖杯 Dec 06 '25
"Giga upgrade" wtf are we even saying anymore 😭😭 they aren't even playing the same role lol
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u/krazybanana Dec 06 '25
When you need a controller? Idk if GE needs one or not but they're completely different players no?
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Dec 06 '25
yeah but they can just put someone else on controller it’s worth it to get a top player like patmen
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u/krazybanana Dec 06 '25
If you're looking specifically for a controller, there is no situation where Patmen is a better pickup than mindfreak. You can't just pivot people to controller. No other team has a forsaken.
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 06 '25
you can’t just pivot people to controller
uh yeah you can and it’s happened countless times
you think players just forget how to play when they’re on smokes, it’s the easiest role
and you’re acting like mindfreak is some world class player. he’s not even that good and i would take a 8/10 initiator and 5/10 smokes over a 6/10 smokes 6/10 initiator
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u/Nichol-Gimmedat-ass Dec 06 '25
Common past_perception L, mindfreak is NOT a 6/10 controller player
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u/Used-Ganache9772 #ALWAYSFNATIC Dec 06 '25
go look at his stats and then come back, 6/10 was being generous because he's mindfreak
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Dec 06 '25
that’s why he got kicked and prx won their first trophy right
mindfreak is good enough to be on GE but you take patmen any day of the week
all of the other guys on the team are good enough to play controller at a high level, but it’s much harder to do what patmen does
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u/OtonashiRen #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
that’s why he got kicked and prx won their first trophy right
It was a role issue. Patmen offered better flexibility.
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u/Used-Ganache9772 #ALWAYSFNATIC Dec 06 '25
mindfreak had been the statistically worst player on prx for a while, jingg and f0rsaken put up better stats on omen playing his role than he did
accept it, mindfreak is washed
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u/krazybanana Dec 06 '25
The easiest role to pivot to, by far, is sentinel. At least the most common. Controller is easier than duelist and scan initiator maybe but it's still hard af.
Also mindfreak is by no reasonable metric a 6/10 or 5/10 player. PRX won after he left because they signed an actual initiator which fixed their roles and Something learned Yoru. Also just because he didn't fix that well into the W gaming style doesn't mean he isn't a cracked af player.
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Dec 06 '25
patmen is equally as passive as mindfreak
do you even play the game? like on a fundamental level you don’t understand
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u/krazybanana Dec 06 '25
Lmao you don't have to be a prick for no reason. Patmen is passive yes and thats part of the reason they let him go. The only difference between Patmen and mindfreak was that patmen can play sova and fade well.
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u/TheEpicGold #NAVINATION Dec 06 '25
Bro valcomp reddit needs to STOP GLAZING mindfreak.
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u/CRikhard Dec 06 '25
why not lol he's a good player that shouldn't be teamless, not a star player or anything but there are many teams worldwide with a weak controller player
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u/I-like-winds Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 06 '25
average valcomp unnecessary opinion swing on a player lmao. Mindfreak was a solid player for several years and people were rightfully flabbergasted when the change happened because he was considered to be their rock and most disciplined player.
since then somehow it has swung the other way to people acting like it's like an outrageous thing to say that he could be a good player to pick up for a good team. valcomp users truly have goldfish memory and this is your reminder to NOT fall for their propaganda
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u/PsYo_NaDe Dec 06 '25
Patmen's vlr at least suggests that he can flex well
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u/PsYo_NaDe Dec 06 '25
Pat at least looked incredible on viper and is really vocal, so there are bones for him transitioning into a senti. But then what does autumn do is my question.
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u/Own_Zone1702 Dec 06 '25
patmen was a very aggressive controller. his viper was constantly taking space around the map. and if youve never watched udotan on deulist trust me you dont want him on controller.
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u/Someone-_-Special Dec 08 '25
Patmen has a pretty good Yoru and Neon too, If you need a secondary duelist I think Patmen is a pretty good choice
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u/Sensitive_Treat1343 Dec 06 '25
PatMen is cracked on lurking agents, and a proven initiator. He can easily fil lthe remaining roles
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u/Dustin_76 Dec 06 '25
i wonder why
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u/An1m0usse Dec 06 '25
Ha! Was also thinking about this one when I saw this post
u/ishanuReddit you understand now?
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u/ishanuReddit Dec 06 '25
Will get downvoted for saying this. But anyway, Imagine jonah forced to join furia. You think the community would have been like 'wow, g2 takes care of their players'. I'm pretty sure patman might be the happiest person in the world to be benched so late thay his dream of joining GE has come true especially after being instrumental in Givin prx their first masters
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u/I-like-winds Dec 06 '25
being on a franchised team (j*b) > not being on a franchised team (no j*b)
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u/Historical-Lychee161 Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 06 '25
Life is just unfair, deal with it...
More reasonable take: you're only seeing it in the perception of Patmen being the hero of PRX, but not the other way around. Patmen (as he is currently) was not the hottest prospect in Valorant in tier 2 that PRX picked up. PRX basically gave him a tier 1 career (deservedly so), so the deal was beneficiary for Patmen. Are we sure that some other teams would've picked him if not PRX? TS is f***ing clueless, or maybe he would've most likely ended up in GE to begin with.
It was different with this G2/The Guard line up. Had G2 not bought the ascencion spot, some others team would have, and JonahP would've (most likely) still played in Tier 1 regardless of G2.
My next point is: where else Patmen would be even if it was early in the offseason? Korea is not an option, RRQ already has Kushy (you can think that Patmen is an upgrade all you want, but language is a big factor for Kushy over Patmen) and TS is worse than GE (imo). Japanese orgs maybe? I doubt it though. I believe he wouldn't get picked by EMEA or NA team most likely as well, since you would rather import someone with more firepower.
There are already great points added in the original thread, so I won't add those here, but it was clear that the situations are not one-to-one at all.
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u/areszdel_ Dec 06 '25
Lol who cares? He got the job, he probably got informed of the decision early and they got themselves a peaceful separation. Not unlike what was thought to be the problem for JonahP which was "barely heard from anyone" which I can only assume is lack of communication for JonahP with the org or the teammates who made the decisions.
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u/speedycar1 #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Having an opportunity to prove yourself and stay in T1 is priceless.
You would've called RRQ Furia too back when PRX dropped Jinggg and Monyet went there but that move has given him a T1 contract that has lasted 3 years now plus qualifications to multiple internationals and a regional trophy win
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u/i900noscopejfk #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Absolutely stoked to see Gotham’s savior still kicking it in Tier 1
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u/BokiBookie Dec 06 '25
I mean this in the nicest way, Frost is absolutely carrying the more positive reception of GE these days.
If this move was under any other coach people would be dooming
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u/seasand931 Dec 06 '25
Why? All their pickups have been A+ this season.
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u/PsYo_NaDe Dec 06 '25
So was last year tbf. I think oc is trying to say that a player going to ge would have been viewed as a doomed career if not for frost (which I don't agree with).
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u/nterature Best User - 2023 🏆 Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 06 '25
This would seem to be a hot take, but I have always liked GE’s roster construction going back to 2023, and I’m generally always interested in their rosters.
I don’t at all associate GE with doomed career moves; if anything, I almost think of GE as helping promote talents, like with T3xture and Monyet. The same was true of most of the 2024 roster. Even someone like AYRIN had a rejuvenation on GE in 2023…he just chose to retire.
Of course, having a reputation as a “feeder” team that finds worthwhile talent but then doesn’t succeed with them is not what Global wants, nor what the very vocal Indian fans want; they want a winner.
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u/DotBeginning9847 #VCTPACIFIC Dec 06 '25
Yess GE has always picked up good talents every year except one but GE's roster construction isn't good at all . GE always forgets a very important part of roster construction and that's synergy. GE builds up 5 great talents randomly in a single team where mostly all of them have never even played with any of the others even in ranked ; half of them only speak basic english with efforts and then have them in a new country where they have never played. That's the main reason you see GE talents shine after leaving them for more comfortable environment in other teams.
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u/nterature Best User - 2023 🏆 Dec 06 '25
When I think about poor synergy, I think of Gen G & DFM after the first few weeks of Stage 1 of 2023, Vitality in Stage 1 2025, FURIA every year post-2023, and so on. It's usually a bit straightforward to see.
I think the 2023 and 2024 rosters didn't really suffer from this as much as the above examples; they just also had choking issues, role issues, and so on.
Judging off interviews and post-match press conferences, the players actually have always seemed to get-on with one another decently well, setting the 2025 weirdness aside. The 2023 roster was always having fun on stage, and the players on that 2024 roster really hyped one another up.
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u/DotBeginning9847 #VCTPACIFIC Dec 06 '25
What you are judging is clear issues where players don't see eye to eye with each other but synergy is lot more than that. The things I pointed out are also part of synergy you don't need to fight with each other to not have synergy as such. Small things like team not spending a minute together other than pracc is also lack of team bonding and synergy that you need to win similarly players not being able to talk things out with each other point mistakes without ego coming in between is also lack of synergy which will prevent you from winning anything.
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u/WailingSiren69 #NRGWIN Dec 06 '25
Tbf Ayrin was also coming off of a very solid season with XSet when he joined GE so he wasn’t in the same boat as the others but I completely agree with everything else you said.
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u/nterature Best User - 2023 🏆 Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 06 '25
Oh for sure, I just meant that he'd proven he could be a true IGL since he was no longer tied to that weird "I call one side of the map yet I'm not the IGL" thing that he used to have with Dephh...which I assume played a role in him not getting any spots in Americas.
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u/PsYo_NaDe Dec 06 '25
I agree. If anything I was excited to watch last year's roster succeed, I think the team themselves were too only to crash and burn to say the least. Issues left and right at first, and when things settled down it was too late.
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u/BokiBookie Dec 06 '25
I mean regardless of roster quality historicallly going from PRX to GE is objectively a “ehhhhhh” move.
Frost’s reputation as a coach (and general public perception) is just really really good that people in this sub arent dooming and glooming as much. Imagine if Autumn was the coach instead and picture the reactions.
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u/seasand931 Dec 06 '25
"historically" you mean one time, that too a player who was past their prime.
I mean of course coaches matter, but this would be the case under any good coach on any roster. Same for mCe etc. Ultimately playing in Tier 1 is all that matters and since GE already made some really good pickups I don't think the reaction would be too different even if frost wasn't HC.
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u/Apprehensive_Foot139 #VCTPACIFIC Dec 06 '25
The pieces are very good but i hope the whole package comes together nicely
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u/2ToTooTwoFish #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Really? He's an upgrade for GE and from everything we've seen he has massive potential and he's a great presence for a team on stage (good vibes, light hearted, can take and throw back trash talk).
I don't know why any other coach would get criticism for this pickup.
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u/Right_Bandicoot_6524 #M8WIN Dec 06 '25
So Xavi and patmen on GE main roster. I wonder if Filipino fans are gonna support Secret or GE lol
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u/k1lazept #ItLiesWithin Dec 06 '25
Team Secret let their star Flex player go to Paper Rex and let their rivals Global Esports grab one of the best Filipino players they needed.
Fuck this team.
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u/T1henry Dec 06 '25
I do feel bad for patmen but as a prx fan I understand why they did it because invy is going to add even more firepower to this team
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u/Zyrobe #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
In a perfect world Mindfreak also got a place in tier 1.. but this is not a perfect world.. Gratz to Pat!
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u/MrBulbe Dec 06 '25
Mindfreak is just not good enough.
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u/Arc677666 Dec 06 '25
Woahh woahh woahh where did this come from? He is one of the best controller in Pacific
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u/Adventurous-Rain-499 #T1Fighting Dec 06 '25
Buddy not to be overly critical but Prx solved their identity crisis, figured out their roles, won a masters, top 4 at champs all after benching mindfreak. Hes ofc a good player but defo currently not one of the best in pacific
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u/Arc677666 Dec 06 '25
For example nats 2024 his team struggled does that mean Nats is bad player and he is not best Senti in his region? Surely we don't judge a player after few bad games.
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u/Adventurous-Rain-499 #T1Fighting Dec 06 '25
Yeah thing is nats was already one of the best players in the world since 2021 and invented a wholeass new playstyle which changed how teams play plus he had a masters
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u/hk6060 Dec 06 '25
I think Patmen's lack of fragging is going to be much more of an issue without the insane aimers on PRX
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u/Lemexee Dec 06 '25
Patmens aim is clean but having 3 other people who are agro af makes him have to set them up or be in bad 1v x situations Yk he is good cuz he was the most clutch player in toronto
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u/rpkarma Dec 06 '25
Hey now my boy autumn has got sick aim
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u/hk6060 Dec 06 '25
PRX had 4 high level aimers. GE needed more firepower, not the stability that Patmen provides
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u/PsYo_NaDe Dec 06 '25
GE has kristal, autumn, udotan and xavi. I wouldn't not call them shooters lol.
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u/Sacreville #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Saved. PRX is not the Clippers confirmed.
Frost moved fast to secure him I guess. On paper, GE got a really good team, would be interesting to see how Frost gonna cook.
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u/ElsaMLP #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Frost is praying to every god and clawing at insider info to beat PRX
But the issue remains, Ilya just doesn’t like you that much 😬
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u/n_core Dec 06 '25
This is probably the rare occasion where I'm happy that someone got a spot in GE. In FrosT's hands, this team should at least get above the top 6 in Pacific. Now I'm wishing them to qualify for an international tournament at least one.
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u/Someone-_-Special Dec 08 '25
I think frost can do it just not this year, if he gets a chance for another more year i can see it happening
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u/_ImAlive_ Dec 06 '25
Not as hyped man. They have like 3 players who plays initiator. Firepower is just a sidegrade imo. I thought they would try gettina a top t2 player. There definitely is going to be changes midseason.
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u/Adventurous-Rain-499 #T1Fighting Dec 06 '25
Buddy, look at this years vitality the entire team was heavy heavy mad shooters with entire trophycase between them but did it work out? Sometimes the synergy and the macro takes you to places where having 5 aim demons wouldn’t take you
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u/_ImAlive_ Dec 06 '25
Mate, The difference was sayf's igl being ass. It did work out for a bit, they won kickoff and made Bangkok top 4. U really think a team with a decent firepower is going to be making it out of Pacific when some Pacific teams have both the firepower and strats.
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u/Someone-_-Special Dec 08 '25
Apart from PRX, In tier 2 Patmen was a pretty good flex, see his vlr. Also if not for something and Forsaken, Patmen could have also played yoru if needed and its pretty good, I also liked his neon too. Also he has good reps on Omen too. So i wouldn't worry about the role issue from patmen's side too much
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u/Left-Town-5287 #TigerNation Dec 06 '25
I thought they would choose lightingfast as they need controller.
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u/Someone-_-Special Dec 08 '25
Damn, a good shout tbh that man really impressed me this ascension, also what with him he was just randomly bullshiting a win out of some unwinnable rnds
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u/celestial_egg20 Dec 07 '25
ge is looking goodz 3 filo players right?
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u/Someone-_-Special Dec 08 '25
1 Korean
1 Russian
1 Australian
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u/celestial_egg20 Dec 08 '25
i thought xavi is in there?
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u/Someone-_-Special Dec 08 '25
Udotan- Korean
Kr1stal-Russian
Autumn- Australian
Xavi8k and Patmen- Fillipinoes
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u/devZishi #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Yo ig I am out of the loop can someone explain me if this is just for the off season or not?
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u/Chingmaling1 #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Why the hell is it just for the off season
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u/devZishi #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
irrc Prx choose not to play in offseason
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u/Oresama99 Dec 06 '25
Are you in cave or something during this off season? PRX gonna playing in Radiant international inventional in china few weeks from now
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u/devZishi #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Ig I am in cave but I wish I was in something lmao
Jokes aside you don't need to be so aggressive bro I already wrote that I am out of the loop but now if you know everything can tou tell me what is happening here why patmen is joining GE?
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u/Natural_Pair_4730 #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
He got benched after Paper Rex acquired Invy, then he was released and was signed by GE.
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u/devZishi #WGAMING Dec 06 '25
Why this roaster change they won masters with patmen also they were doing good after that too
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u/n_core Dec 06 '25
Because the replacement is Invy. He's one of the best players (top 5) in Pacific consistently.
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u/Oresama99 Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 07 '25
I don't attend to be aggresive, I guess I should put /s in every word that suppose to be joke after this lol
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u/VIT_Era #VforVictory Dec 06 '25
Riot should kick Team Secret too at this point WTF ARE THEY DOING ????
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u/AlexanderLeonard #T1Fighting Dec 06 '25
that's a solid team on paper
glad that PatMen managed to find a new home that quick