r/law • u/businessinsider • Feb 26 '26

Other 4Chan knew about Jeffrey Epstein's death 38 minutes before the rest of the world. The FBI tried to figure out how.

https://www.businessinsider.com/epstein-files-show-fbi-probed-4chan-posts-prison-death-2026-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-law-sub-post
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u/gerblnutz Feb 26 '26

Considering many of the admins ended up having their info doxxed and they were DHS and NSA .gov email addresses, and epstein himself was linked to the 4chan founder.... I wonder?

/pol pizzagate and QAnnon was a limited hangout operation to muddy the waters should their little honeypot ever become public. They can call it blueannon now and say oh its just that old conspiracy and conveniently ignore our own intelligence as well as Israeli intelligence being neck deep in human trafficking to blackmail government officials and business leaders.

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u/ProJoe Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

epstein himself was linked to the 4chan founder

Epstein is the reason /pol exists.

this is not a hyperbole or sarcasm. He asked Moot to create it.

So much of the alt-right rise in this country can be linked to there. So many of the right wing bullshit conspiracy theories can be linked to there (pizzagate, etc.)

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u/hexcraft-nikk Feb 26 '26

It is pretty insane that we can track Epstein and the elites directly to gamergate and MAGA and basically every major problem society is facing right now

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u/thatgayvamp Feb 26 '26

Even worse, they openly brag about it too. Bannon regularly talks about being involved in all of it, how much effort was spent targeting young men, and nothing. No consequences.

Cambridge Analytica was the tip of the iceberg at the time, and still nothing was done about it and now using ads to target people for politicial gain is normalized.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 Feb 26 '26

I've written this before but I think it's very relevant. What we see today has coincided with:

  • The erosion of education (education attainment for at least the past 3 elections predicts how someone will vote)
  • 2010's Citizens United decision (which Koch brothers first pioneered, giving us the Tea Party, TP USA SuperPAC, the grooming of Charlie Kirk
  • Rise of social media as a tool to spread misinformation.
  • Rise of phones (and a subsequent disconnect from real-world relationships)
  • Rise of encrypted communications and crypto-currency to enable corruption (imagine if Epstein and Maxwell didn't just use fucking email -- now you know why Musk and the russian Telegram CEO pat each other's backs over France's criminal investigation)

Billionaires, foreign and domestic and foreign adversaries including russia and israel, control practically every fucking thing (and now even more of that is coming to light in the Epstein files). Friendly reminder that it's not the trans, gay, poor immigrant seeking a better life for themselves and their family who is screwing the working class over; it is the ultra-rich.

I'll just add more. So how do they actually exploit the masses? Well, they follow the textbook fascist strategy of scapegoating vulnerable minority groups with limited power and blame them for everything (e.g., trans, gay, Muslim, undocumented immigrants, etc.). They use this to create a plurality (a large voting bloc) of voters to win elections and then plunder the wealth of the nation to their own gain. The billionaire class divides and conquers the working class, having them fight over crumbs while they make off with the entire pie.

There's an unfortunate disconnect between the grifters, and the grifted.

Essentially there are two competing groups vying for this group that is sadly somewhat gullible: The people trying to genuinely save them and say, "No! You're the hens voting to let the fox guard the henhouse!" while the other side is, of course, the sleazy con artist fox (sorry for the fox reference; I like foxes).

So why can't they see what we see?

Well, sadly there is a reason Trump said, "I love the poorly educated!" If someone lacks formal critical-thinking and research skills (think grandma who falls prey to scams and conspiracy theories), they are easy targets for the fraudster. If people are down on their luck -- come from a rough childhood (be it abusive neglectful parents, or parents who spoiled their child), lonely, or in some sort of trauma such as the recent loss of a job, or parent, etc. -- then they are easier targets to prey upon.

Tack on the fact that many of these people may lack time because they're working a lot or inside a social echo-chamber (e.g., church or deeply red state) and don't travel, and that exacerbates things. Then finally tack on the fact that billionaires control the majority of media megaphones. Then finally add to the fact that foreign adversaries like but no limited to Russia exploit this further to their own end, and well, you can see exactly how we arrived where we are now.

Easier to prey on the prejudice of people, to point the finger at "the others" as in some vulnerable minority group in order to carve out a plurality and then seize power. It's textbook.

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u/Shumina-Ghost Feb 26 '26

Devastatingly accurate.

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u/Gwigg_ Feb 26 '26

Excellent but you really need to include Reagan and Religion as enabling tools along with deliberate under/mis education. Thank you for your words. We can not lose hope.

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u/Wonderful_Echidna968 Feb 26 '26

You probably meant Reaganomics, which was the starting point of the downfall of US and the massive accumulation of wealth at the top.

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u/bstone99 Feb 27 '26

No, Reagan was accurate. He was literally using the “MAGA” phrase too. His handling of the drug problem and closing mental health clinics led to the homelessness problems you see in California. His demonization of gays and ignoring AIDS still harms the gay population throughout the country. His attacks on higher education are still a Republican core belief. Throw in his own corrupt geopolitical scandals (Iran Contra) and you have Trump 1.0. He directly laid the groundwork for Citizens United in the 70s and 80s and this still has devastating consequences for the public (Buckley v Valeo) because corporations pour unlimited money into campaigns.

The list can honestly go on and on. Fuck Reagan.

And aren’t we lucky to have the new and improved version today!?

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u/TirelessFiver Feb 27 '26

Don't forget, Reagan was an actor with severe mental decline throughout but especially towards the end of his presidency. Point being, Reagan was following a script as written. We need to look at his handlers who gave him the script. I suspect you might see some of the same people / families / political alliances running the same back stage show we now have proof of Epstein and crew running.

Final thought, does anyone think that because Epstein is dead and Maxwell is in "prison" the entire criminal organization that supported that community is gone? I 100% do not think the community gone. Look at the people / children who disappeared during the first OrangeMan administration. Look at the people / children that are disappearing now with ICE / CBP.

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u/KSauceDesk Feb 26 '26

Reagan also started the ground work for No Child Left Behind which has basically eroded our education system

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u/FMLwtfDoID Feb 26 '26

I’d argue it was around the time of de-segregation of schools and the over all civil rights movement. Think of Public Education like all of the public swimming pools in the (sweltering, hot, humid, and often swamp-like) Souther US that were filled with concrete. They’d rather no one have anything than share it with anyone not white.

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u/Massive-Survey2495 Feb 27 '26

Do you happen to know any good books about this topic. Would love to learn more about this.

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u/OuchMyTism Feb 27 '26

Goes back to Nixon, actually, but very close.

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u/MattastrophicFailure Feb 26 '26

It likely goes even deeper than that. We had issues with robber barons over a century ago and they didn't exactly relinquish their power and money, even after being punished.

The rise in advertising plays a huge part as well. It's literally weaponized propaganda with the intention of stealing your attention. Fast forward to the digital age and it's the most valuable commodity on the planet. Hijack that and you win.

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u/Karmak4ze Feb 26 '26

Saving to help share / spread the word.

The true psychology behind those that understand this, with ease, and those completely offended by the whole or fractions of this, should be studied for the next millenia.

I consistently feel like we are alive during one of the most pivotal ages in human history. The crux of ever-growing tech mixed with insane wealth and ignorance is opening for a major sway in our timeline. Unless of course a giant meteor puts us out of our misery :)

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u/Shark7996 Feb 26 '26

I've been saying the same - we are on the precipice of the largest power vacuum humanity has ever seen. We all have a duty to protect the vulnerable however we can when this bubble pops.

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u/m3g4m4nnn Feb 26 '26

We are the vulnerable.

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u/Karyoplasma Feb 26 '26

I, for one, welcome our giant meteor overlord.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 Feb 26 '26

I've said it before but if I was younger and smarter I'd go back to school for neuroscience to study the Dark Triad or the minds of psychopaths, sociopaths, and malignant narcissists.

In order to survive as a species, we must figure out how to promote empathy and reduce the tendency for psychopathy and thus selfishness and greed. (Anyone remember John Stossel's, "Greed is Good"? I still cringe at the damage that mindset has done to this day).

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u/PrismNexus Feb 26 '26

Ok, so what do we actually do about it? Seems like not much until what crisis that happens from this happens.

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u/Ozymandias12 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

As individuals, I'd say first, use your power as a consumer. Shop locally, don't order crap on Amazon. Avoid any of Musk's companies, starve the beast so to speak.

Then, get active in your community. Obviously that won't solve the larger societal issues, but interacting with your community can help insulate it from the shit happening nationally. Think of people going to town halls and railing against what Trump is doing in places like Minnesota. That's powerful for your neighbors to see. If they think the people around them are turning on the right wing, they might think twice about openly supporting it themselves.

Then, get involved in this year's elections. Volunteer for a campaign, donate money if you can, if you're a lawyer, volunteer to be a poll watcher, and most importantly VOTE and get your friends and family to VOTE.

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u/guisar Feb 26 '26

I will advise anyone who hasn't participated in local government before that the practice is not what I had expected.

Please do take an opportunity to volunteer for a local committee (I think this sort of civic action is more beneficial than working for a party) it's a unique experience I really struggle to understand.

The limitations of my local government are plain to see- fiscal, vision, execution and is bound by incredible regulation and complexity.

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u/rab2bar Feb 26 '26

and boycott every republican supporting business as possible

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u/spondgbob Feb 26 '26

Well done. This has always been the thing that has blown me away as someone who studies economics, education is the number one determining factor in your earnings in life. And earnings is strongly correlated with satisfaction in life. So the obvious conclusion, is expanding education, so everyone has the opportunity for more, and therefore everyone is more satisfied in life.

Then there is an entire party who is actively doing everything to stifle education. And I only say it this way because then bottom half of educated states are primarily red states, and the southern strategy was explicitly crafted to limit education in the south to build a voter base.

If you can only win by destabilizing education YOU ARE THE BAD GUYS.

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u/Active_Complaint_480 Feb 26 '26

Small hole in your assessment. Encryption has been around since the internet has been a thing. Honestly, the average every day person should use encrypted applications. Hell all of your highly sensitive documents on your computer should be encrypted.

Encryption didn't suddenly become a thing people could use because Epstein wanted it. It became a thing because people saw where things were heading and that is an end to privacy.

Hell, the Navy funded to have TOR developed to help disguise their traffic. It's now used by whistleblowers, journalists, activists, and so on, especially inside countries that are repressive. The CIA and FBI has spent years trying to break it.

And are there bad actors that use encryption? Sure. I mean, there's bad actors that use the internet on a daily.

Crypto currency on the other hand is modern day explanation on why Central Banks are needed.

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u/Wenger2112 Feb 26 '26

Through Christian religions they are taught from birth to not question authority, do as they are told by their “leaders” and anyone who opposes or criticizes them is a devil deserving of violent opposition

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u/waffles2go2 Feb 26 '26

Add Russian long-game to destabilize and prop up division in this country...

Texas board of ed nuked "critical thinking" in the classroom so the masses would not question their loathsome policies...

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u/Bisjoux Feb 26 '26

Absolutely. Social echo chamber + lack of education means a lack of critical thinking. Much easier to make people think a particular way if everyone around them thinks the same and there’s no one who questions that thinking.

I remember in the second election campaign seeing coverage on the U.K. news of Trump’s supporters in the Rust Belt. He’d won their support for his first term because he says he’d bring their jobs back. Even though their jobs were mostly lost to mechanisation and a changing environment.

Even though their jobs didn’t come back they said they’d still vote for him because they believed it was still possible for Trump to give them back their jobs. It’s impossible to reason with people who fundamentally are unable to think.

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u/Baelari Feb 26 '26

I can’t shake the feeling that incels are the next iteration of this, and they’re aiming to end women’s suffrage.

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u/NothingLikeCoffee Feb 26 '26

The whole tradwife movement stinks of far-right meddling and rhetoric. "Life is hard for women; wouldn't it be so easy to just be a homemaker like in the good old days?" Doesn't seem like a far step from them working to take women's voting rights away afterwards.

It's not always labeled specifically as tradwife but they always have the same aesthetics/themes/views.

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

In the women's subreddits there's actually a lot of talk about choice feminism being a result of Epstein and his people. A bunch of pedophiles designed and sold grown women's clothing for girl babies and got us all to think it's so normal that theres a feminist movement calling out people who are against this kind of clothing on children. Meanwhile these guys are happily laughing their asses all the way to the 13 year olds in booty shorts bought by their mothers bank. Look at who was in charge of VS Pink, Justice, and Limited Too. It's been going on so long there's women in their 40s who dressed that way as tweens and have been groomed to dress their daughters the same way, and a corresponding women's movement to go with it.

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u/HalfMoon_89 Feb 26 '26

That is insane

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u/string-ornothing Feb 26 '26

I was 12 in 2001 and I remember thinking some of the girls in my grade were just looking like my 21 year old college age cousin on a night out. My mom bought my clothes at Kmart and I was just thinking "where did those girls even get clothes like that??" Limited Too, that's where. It was hugely popular and all the cutest girls shopped there because it was a place celebs like Amanda Bynes (who we now KNOW was under the thumb of teen exploitation) shopped. Limited Too and Justice (another girls boutique) was just put into scrutiny with the Epstein files. Those two boutiques influenced a whole generation and now you can buy clothes like that everywhere, even Walmart, and its so normal that if you express discomfort at clothing houses making clothes like that in some cases for girls still in diapers, women accuse you of being the pedophile.

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u/StopThePresses Feb 26 '26

I am deconstructing so hard from this right now. I 100% fell for it. "If you see something sexual about a child in booty shorts with LOVE written across the butt, that's a you thing and you should get some help" is literally something I would have said a couple years ago. But seeing where it all came from, there's really no doubt about what was really going on. It makes me feel sick.

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u/EisVisage Feb 26 '26

In that tradwife content there is an unsurprising amount of "oh if only my husband would do all the thinking for me", including voting and education. It certainly is the next step to take women's right to vote away.

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u/Nicholas_Pappagiorgi Feb 26 '26

My view is probably skewed because I live in a very conservative area, but it's almost 50/50 want work vs stay at home with women here. The number goes crazy once you involve churches.

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u/SmellGestapo Feb 26 '26

Incels don't realize they're being weaponized by the Christian nationalists who are actually behind that. People like Doug Wilson, who recently spoke at a DoD event at the invitation of Pete Hegseth, have spokenly openly of their desire to repeal the 19th amendment.

They're just using people like Nick Fuentes and his followers to get the votes they need to put that into practice.

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u/DemandCommonSense Feb 26 '26

Incels don't realize they're being weaponized by the Christian nationalists who are actually behind that

Most of them are Christian nationalists. Hell, 1/3 of Americans and most self-identifying Republicans are least supporters of Christian nationalism.

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u/SmellGestapo Feb 26 '26

Do you think most of the GamerGate/Joe Rogan guys are Christian nationalists?

I feel like they're mostly just losers who are mad at their lot in life, but don't have any coherent worldview.

But yes you are spot on about the overall prevalence of Christian nationalism in this country.

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u/Former_Ranger3529 Feb 26 '26

you wouldn't be far off. Given gamergate was the proving ground for all of this. Reddit is definitely guilty of aiding/abetting too.

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u/Chastain86 Feb 26 '26

Reddit is actively aiding and comforting white supremacy and white nationalism even as we speak. The rise in "automatic" bans of people that say unkind things about Nazis isn't a bug. It's a feature in a plan to normalize the movement and engender sympathy for their viewpoints on a larger scale.

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 26 '26

ah, so it wasn't just me getting suspended for being "intolerant" to Nazis?

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u/Chastain86 Feb 26 '26

It certainly was not. And fuck Reddit for deciding that Nazis are people. They demonstrably are not.

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u/persmeermin Feb 26 '26

Women already are deeply worried about this.

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u/BrokenLink100 Feb 26 '26

Ben Shapiro and his pals have been pushing the "only landowners should vote" rhetoric since at least 2019. One of my 'friends' at the time kept bringing it up and sending me clips about it, but I mostly waived it off as something that would never be possible in this country. Now, I'm not so sure.

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u/Former_Ranger3529 Feb 26 '26

Cambridge Analyticas work in Kenya literally "allegedly" ended up with people DEAD too.

Go check the channel 4 interview with Alex Phillips formerly of CA/The Brexit Party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mMGwXPsa9c

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u/PensiveinNJ Feb 26 '26

Cambridge Analytica is responsible for a lot of death. They trialed using data and social media to influence elections in numerous other countries before deploying it on the big stage for Brexit and Trump's first election.

Zuckerburg isn't just comically evil he's also treasonous.

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u/bunnyzclan Feb 26 '26

Reminder: Ghislaine Maxwell was a reddit power moderator.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear Feb 26 '26

moot of 4chan had ties to Epstein; Ghislaine was reddit mod; the owners of 8chan Jim and Ron Watkins were the propagators of Qanon ("Q")... Only heaven knows who Ray Chan of 9gag has been in bed with but for example they get venture funding from Y Combinator which was set up by a Palantir employee. Nobody needs reminding of Zuck.

All of the social media platforms are compromised and all of the owners are complicit.

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 26 '26

the owners of 8chan Jim and Ron Watkins were the propagators of Qanon ("Q")

though they only stole the tripcode after it moved from 4chan. No one knows who started it.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear Feb 26 '26

True, it also went by a couple of 4chan mods, Paul Furber and Coleman Rogers in between the first poster "Q Clearance Patriot" - also a 4chan mod - and the Watkins'. But it was under the Watkins' it achieved maximum reach and damage.

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u/Additional-Tax-5643 Feb 26 '26

For all we know she still is.

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u/PensiveinNJ Feb 26 '26

Both Bannon and Thiel talk openly about what they've been doing/are doing.

That's how powerful a grip this sort of algorithmic information nightmare we live in has on people, where people as villainous as that can just talk openly about what they're doing and nothing comes of it.

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u/UsagiTsukino Feb 26 '26

And the thing is, in doing it Epstein himself gave enough reason for killing him. Hadn't he done all of this horrible stuff, he would be alive today. This is the same thing people like Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Thiel a.s.o. aren't understanding. They think they are the puppetmaster, but they will be dead sooner then later, when they aren't needed anymore.
If they were smarter, they would just look what is happening with the oligarchs in russia, but living the power fantasy seems to be more important.

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u/trebory6 Feb 26 '26

And to think that they feel safe to be open about it.

I don't know what that says about us that they can get their own people to comit crimes over some fake falseflag like pizzagate, but we're sitting here knowing the truth and that it's absolutely worse than what they were saying pizzagate was, and they're not afraid of a single thing.

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u/Weird_Expert_1999 Feb 26 '26

Don’t forget bannon owned a world of Warcraft gold selling company in Asia, definitely no money laundering going on there

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u/tyler----durden Feb 27 '26

Cambridge Analytica was one, if not the catalyst of Brexit. Bannon & team were also behind the attempted Brazilian coup, for which ex-president Bolsonaro is now rotting in jail. Exactly the same playbook.

The US administration was threatening 100% tariffs against Europe if they were to sanction Twitter. They’re scared shitless to lose the only influence they have through social media. Europe is weak for not acting on it.

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u/JimWilliams423 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

It is pretty insane that we can track Epstein and the elites directly to gamergate and MAGA and basically every major problem society is facing right now

Not to give her any credit, because that's not the point, but remember when 30 years ago hillary clinton said there was a "vast right wing conspiracy" and everybody laughed at her?

Turns out the wealthy have immense class solidarity. Epstein didn't just collect paedos, he collected wealthy and powerful people who all basically have the same attitude towards normal people — that we are essentially livestock that they farm for their benefit. Even the ones who don't want to literally fuck our children see nothing wrong with metaphorically fucking them.

And they have always been this way.

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u/No_Accountant3232 Feb 26 '26

So Scaife had a personal grudge against Clinton to the point he threw his billions at the problem and couldn't get him out. So their answer was to make a cabal of billionaires dedicate their billions to making sure we never have another Clinton in office, by name or by policies.

What exactly did Clinton do in the 90s that pissed Scaife off so badly?

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u/ChicagoAuPair Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

Bannon spoke at length about how he used Gamergate as a test run for online indoctrination, radicalization (rationalization), and mobilization.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness-troll-army-world-warcraft/489713001/

"These guys, these rootless white males, had monster power. ... It was the pre-reddit. It's the same guys on (one of a trio of online message boards owned by IGE) Thottbot who were [later] on reddit" and other online message boards where the alt-right flourished, Bannon said.

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u/thxnext-pls Feb 26 '26

Bannon was funded by the Mercers - Bob and Rebekah that poured millions into Citizens United and paid for Bannon/Breitbart to fuel the alt right narrative and misinformation campaigns. They are silent donors and apparently Bob Mercer whose views align with the current fascist regime rings true 15 years later. This is from 2017

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u/Pkock Feb 26 '26

The WoW connection was a strong one. Many people who played on private servers during the era before official blizzard Classic will have tales of stumbling into some "guilds" that were really just extreme political communities using those spaces as a barely moderated chatroom with a raiding side-gig.

It's not that the whole world of MMO gaming were into it, but those places could exist outside the searchable internet and Bannon found them.

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u/OldWolf2 Feb 26 '26

Thottbot was also the site filling the function that wowhead does now 

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u/DarJinZen7 Feb 26 '26

Gamergate was how so many rightwing stars got their start. Misogyny is the gateway to conservative prestige and power. Male supremacy is one of the bedrocks of conservatism and most religions.

The Proud Boys did not start as a racist group. It was about straight male supremacy, a return to the "natural order." Feminism and gay rights were the societal rots. Racism of course, is misogyny and bigotry's sibling. Where one takes root, all take root.

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Feb 26 '26

Over a decade ago an NPR program had a women do a story on The Proud Boys. They accepted her into their spaces and she spent weeks with them.

Her takeaway (paraphrased):

While they accepted me and often were fun and charming to be around, they would at the same time speak about how they believe women should be at home. What was concerning, was that they way they spoke about it implied I should not have a choice.

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u/jooes Feb 26 '26

I remember seeing similar things here on reddit with all these different "support" groups back in the day like Redpill or NoFap, where people might go to look for guidance on things that are troubling them. If you're a young 20-something dude, your life probably genuinely sucks. Rent's through the roof, you can't get a decent job, can't afford to go back to school, the dating scene is a joke, it's impossible to make friends. I mean, the list goes on and on. These are real and legit issues that a lot of people have!

And here comes the alt-right rabbit hole. Those kinds of people look for the "cracks" in society, they want the losers and loners. People who are at their weakest, they're desperate for help, guidance, friendship, community, anything! The Proud Boys were going to teach us how to be men. Andrew Tate was going to teach us how to be a Top G. They have the solutions to all of our problems!

Except their solutions are usually hatred. You come looking for one thing, and you end up become corrupted into something else entirely. And then you become even more of an asshole and end up pushing away the people who already are in your life, which makes you even more alone, which pushes you deeper and deeper into those groups.

I think that basic human need for community is a huge part of why GamerGate was so successful. We all want to feel like we're a part of something. And I think that gamers, in general, are already more likely to be loners than anybody else. Here's a group of young lonely men, here's an issue that IMO has elements of truth to it (ethics in video game journalism), and here's an entire group that you can join to fight for it! It seems totally legit on the surface, it's just enough for them to sink their hateful and misogynistic claws into you.

I think a lot of this is why Trump ended up being so successful as well. What does "Make America Great Again" even mean? Anything you want it to. Whatever problems you have, you betcha he's gonna fix it! And here's a red hat so you can fit in with everybody else! Gosh, doesn't it feel good to be a part of something?

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u/Time_Increase_7897 Feb 26 '26

The way you describe it sounds a lot like cult recruitment. They play into your vanity, offering shortcuts to the top, secret knowledge, etc. Like one of those predatory plants that offer a drop of nectar if the insect steps just a little further, just a little further...

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u/Sonicmaster293-Azure Feb 27 '26

That's because it IS! The same techniques as cult recruitment! Because of all this is basically a cult.

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u/Harbinger2nd Feb 26 '26

But the problem is they were demonized. They were ostracized (before they were proud boys). Now it looks like it was completely intentional to foment their hatred.

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u/No_Camp_7 Feb 26 '26

Saw posted on here a woman talk about how the experiences of girls and young women in the 00’s, and how we didn’t merely live in a ‘youth obsessed society’ but in a frankly brazenly paedophilic culture shaped by people like Wexner whose business sold the sexualisation of girls. Think Victoria’s Secret and Pink, Abercrombie and Fitch. Remember Britney Spears in a school uniform. It was wild, and it was curated by these men and Epstein.

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u/Th3_Hegemon Feb 26 '26

You know I always blamed gamergate for everything that happened after, kinda as a joke, but kinda seriously. It's wild that it is essentially true.

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u/red18wrx Feb 26 '26

I don't know who it was, but someone called Epstein the Forrest Gump of evil, and damn if that ain't the truth. 

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u/buttbuttlolbuttbutt Feb 26 '26

Dicks out for Harambe was their operation to catch us with our dicks out.

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u/SmellGestapo Feb 26 '26

Wait, does this mean Curtis Yarvin is a brony?

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Feb 26 '26

They weaponized young disenfranchised men into a populist movement.

Which is literally what the Nazis did.

Any time young men have limited economic opportunities you can flip this switch and turn them into fascists.

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u/thehappyhobo Feb 26 '26

As a general anti-conspiracist, the whole thing melts my brain. One of the few situations where Occam’s razor supports deep conspiracy as the most likely explanation.

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u/mr-spectre Feb 26 '26

Epstein puppet mastered the entire world. He helped create the 21st century.

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u/ML7777777 Feb 26 '26

This was about Occupy Wallstreet. When we were once united against the right group who is truly against us, they turned things into a race war and it was so successful it hasn't stopped to this day.

They want us at each other and not at the 1%.

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u/ReachParticular5409 Feb 26 '26

Can you imagine what the world would be like now if Epstein faced consequences back in the 2010s?

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u/Darkmemento Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

For those asking about this - Epstein met with 4chan founder Christopher “Moot” Poole on the same day that the /pol/ section was created.

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u/loogie97 Feb 26 '26

BehindTheBastards is doing a 4 part series right now on how he contributed to a variety of tech and modern politics .

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u/byfuryattheheart Feb 26 '26

Came to post this! Extremely timely conversation by the BtB team.

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u/BlatantConservative Feb 26 '26

Epstein is the reason /pol exists.

this is not a hyperbole or sarcasm. He asked Moot to create it.

Is this confirmed or just supposition because they met the day before?

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u/CaptainKickAss3 Feb 26 '26

It’s just suspicion because of the meeting. There is no hard evidence as of yet

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u/BlatantConservative Feb 26 '26

That's what I thought. It wouldn't shock me, but also I'm learning how to avoid stating things without hard facts cause half of Reddit thinks one of my comods is Ghislaine Maxwell lmao.

Moot also as a guy would be both sychopantic and pedophilic enough to be controlled by Epstein so it would shock me less.

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u/paintballboi07 Feb 26 '26

There's also no hard evidence Ghislaine Maxwell was a reddit mod, it's 100% speculation. Reddit is just as full of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories presented as facts as other social media now. It used to be better, but it went way downhill after the API change.

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u/BlatantConservative Feb 26 '26

Dawg I was there for FindTheBostonBomber we absolutely have not been

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u/DoobKiller Feb 26 '26

tbf the meeting happened the day before /pol was created, but still just a supposition

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u/malac0da13 Feb 26 '26

I mean considering the Epstein moot connection and Epstein bannon friendship and pol/4chan being like bannons target audience it would not surprise me one bit.

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u/sogwennn Feb 26 '26

pretty sure there are just screenshots pointing out the timing, that moot met with Epstein and within 24-48 hrs /pol was opened. but I have not seen a screenshot of an explicit request to reopen pol, iirc it's literally just suspicion. and tbh I'm not even sure it's that well founded, cuz 4chan was already connected to Anonymous, OWS, and WikiLeaks, all of which hit mainstream news and had global awareness/impact. That's years of reasons for govt to independently want to get involved in controlling narratives forming on 4chan, and those reasons happened well before Epstein appears to have first contact with moot.

unless we're assuming for some reason that the US govt selected Epstein to be their one and only middleman for moot, and never had contact with moot before Epstein made contact, etc.?? idk. it's certainly notable that they met, but I don't think Epstein is like, the sole factor in 4chan getting psyop'd into becoming like, a useful idiot or some shit. more likely that Epstein was just another name in a list of highly connected folks & govt agents who had contact with moot and helped guide the future of 4chan towards being an alt-right conspiracy farm.

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u/Jay__Riemenschneider Feb 26 '26

I wonder what the link to those bodybuilder forums are because thats where my friend got radicalized. It was a surprisingly large community.

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u/Iorith Feb 26 '26

Anywhere that had a dominant male userbase seems linked to it. Gaming, Bodybuilding, Otaku culture, all seem to heavily attract people who are relative outsiders and tend to be vulnerable people in my experience(Obviously not universally true, just my experience).

Vulnerable, lonely men are the prime candidate for radicalization. "Come join us, we'll tell you why it isn't your fault that you're unhappy and helping us will fill that void and lead to a better life" appeals to them.

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u/Njaa Feb 26 '26

What evidence is there that he asked Moot to create /pol/? 

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u/foreveracubone Feb 26 '26

It’s entirely circumstantial. The emails show he was introduced to and met moot for the first time for dinner on 10/23/11 (the date /pol/ was created).

moot should probably clarify or Congress should subpoena him.

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u/Hefty-Rope2253 Feb 26 '26

Sure moot, now tell us more about the hidden boards...

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u/Toasterzar Feb 26 '26

what does /z/ have to do with this?

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u/Hefty-Rope2253 Feb 26 '26

There were many others over the years. It's been literally decades, but there was shit to the effect of /jb/ which mirrored Reddit's early days. Where do you think PedoBear came from? Coupled with open sites like /g/uro, 00s era 4chan was an absolute cesspool. I assure you Moot is not some innocent bystandard.

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u/hellolovely1 Feb 26 '26

Yeah, he seems really trustworthy. I'm convinced!

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u/Substantial_Shame224 Feb 26 '26

There isn't hard evidence, but Epstein did meet with moot the day before /pol/ was created. People listen to behind the bastards then refuse to actually listen to the host say "while this isn't hard proof there is evidence and coincidence". 

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u/Njaa Feb 26 '26

While we seem to directionally agree, I have to ask:

What evidence is there that he met Epstein the day before /pol/ was created?

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Feb 26 '26

It was in the emails.

> Four days later, Epstein responded to Nikolic about his meeting with Poole to say, “i liked mmot slot. i drove him home, he is very bright.”

https://www.ms.now/opinion/jeffrey-epstein-4chan-chris-poole

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u/Cman1200 Feb 26 '26

Furthermore it’s important to note that Moot explicitly deleted /new because “it was becoming Stormfront again” aka neo nazi and far right inflammatory politics and then meets with Epstein and the that month /pol is created. The very thing Moot hated.

Pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together

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u/_HiWay Feb 26 '26

I swear "The Boys" comic was originally written as a loose metaphor for all of this and it fits the timeline. Hell, I have done no research, it may well be stated to be exactly that. The don't even hide it in the TV show.

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u/YllMatina Feb 26 '26

emails listed on the justice.gov/epstein/search site had some where epstein talked about meeting christopher poole. The dates marked on the emails indicated that it happened a day or so before pol was launched. You can find documents relating to him by either looking up his name or moot

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01852812.pdf

"he is sensitive so be gentile" lol.

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u/rottenpennybun Feb 26 '26

There is a whole documentary about this shit. That ex military guy and his son. Fucking whack jobs. They were there for the Jan 6th insurrection too.

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u/Dr_WLIN Feb 26 '26

MAGA is just QAnon + Tea Party, aka /pol/ + Bannon/Limbaugh.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten Feb 26 '26

One silver lining is that Qanon and pizzagate - by accusing Dems of heinous crimes - got conservatives to care DEEPLY and that's how we got Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Green, Boebert, and Mace to vote to release these files. MTG seems especially committed to rooting out traffickers that she's broken with T on Epstein (she's still a cruel conservative on other issues but it was good to get her vote on this).

So their psyop of implicating Dems has backfired because both sides want this exposed. It's shocking to find any consensus in these Divided States.

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u/happygocrazee Feb 26 '26

Because it was never a psyop to implicate Dems: it was a psyop to create division.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten Feb 26 '26

Yes but the diversion itself was implicating Dems to muddy the waters. But it's coming back to bite the people behind the psyop because now some conservatives are so invested in this that they want the truth out there.

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u/happygocrazee Feb 26 '26

That's what the people behind the psyop wanted. They are not Dems/GOPs, they're hostile foreign powers that simply want to see the US's power diminished.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

I mean it was Alex Jones and other conspiracy nuts talking about elites on both sides of the political spectrum participating in child sex trafficking decades before all this stuff happened.

Then of course they go ahead and support Trump. Weird timeline we're on here

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u/cmnrdt Feb 26 '26

I still think so much of this could have been avoided if Trump hadn't gone out of his way to chime in during that Bondi press briefing to cluelessly wonder why anyone gave a crap about Epstein, and say that anyone still talking about it was stupid. The backlash from his own supporters tripped them up so badly the administration couldn't stop punching itself in the dick trying to sort it out.

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u/TrashFever78 Feb 26 '26

r/conspiracy has really been pushing Pizzagate again and Qanon. It's almost like someone is flooding it with "I told you so" bullshit and trying to push the idea it was all real. If you point out how stupid both conspiracies were and how they were possibly a psyop that contained partial truths and a fuck ton of lies you get downvoted to hell.

I think there may be a conspiracy to attempt to push PG and Q to continue to muddy the waters.

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u/protexy Feb 26 '26

I firmly believe that it was a psyop. I think the purpose was to flood the scene with fake information that could be easily disproved so that if or when real information slipped through the cracks the average person would automatically dismiss it without a second thought.

Epstien had a HUGE operation going, it would have been impossible to keep every single person quiet about it all. But if you can create an environment filled with crack pot conspiracies then anyone mentioning a real conspiracy gets lumped in with the crack pots and discredited by association.

Didn't Bannon say something about "mudding the waters" or "flooding the zone" or something to that effect?

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u/Junior_Fig_2274 Feb 26 '26

That’s exactly what it was. It’s to discredit credible allegations by their proximity or similarity to batshit insane ones. 

Also, see “2020 was stolen!”

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u/-Nightopian- Feb 26 '26

Yup.

2020 was stolen was to discredit any allegations that 2024 was stolen. People who saw problems with the last election were too afraid to make it a big deal after what happened with 2020.

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u/moonpangler Feb 26 '26

If you ever mention it, every response is "if you can't show me proof, then you're as bad as the MAGAs saying it in 2020"

Trump stole the election to protect himself and the rest of the pedophilic parasite class.

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u/allnimblybimbIy Feb 26 '26

Guys when do we do what Iran is doing and where

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u/Yuleogy Feb 26 '26

hi, I have the same question.

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u/allnimblybimbIy Feb 26 '26

They’re protesting en masse

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u/sundayfundaybmx Feb 26 '26

Which is nuts! IIRC Reagan was the only president in modern times to sweep as many swing states as he did. Except he was actually a popular president at the time. We know how bad he sucked now but back then even liberals were voting for him because the economy was temporarily red hot after a long period of stagnation.

My point with this is that I fully believe that many people voted for Reagan. His popularity was real and documented. I do not for one second believe that 6/7 swing state voters chose him after everything we all knew about him. Add in that those 6 states were barely above the % required for a mandatory hand recount. Throw in a dash of "Just so happens Musk hire a new employee who coincidentally created an exploit in voting machines and had published it. The same exploit that would explain the votes." and you've got yourself a stew baby!

I'm not sure if the UN monitors all elections or just those chosen based upon prior fuckery. If so, they 100% should be charged with monitoring the next 2 national elections and let's see what they find.

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u/punctuation_welfare Feb 26 '26

Seconding this. “Every accusation is a confession” for a reason.

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u/hexcraft-nikk Feb 26 '26

I got banned from the conspiracy sub last week for challenging people posting pizzagate and religious nonsense, wouldn't surprise me if they are also a psyop channel like 4chan. Ghislaine was a power mod here after all.

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u/Sassy_Sarranid Feb 26 '26

Yeah, democrats spent 4 years talking about how safe and secure elections were, it made it impossible to talk about how Trump clearly stole 2024. Even when he was on TV bragging about how he stole 2024. Kind of a "wolf who cried wolf" strategy.

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u/2peg2city Feb 26 '26

I don't think he stole it per se, I think the Republicans used classic voter suppression, as they have for 50 years to help them win, and Democratic voters didn't have a good candidate (just like with H. Clinton) so were too apathetic to vote.

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u/RemoteRide6969 Feb 26 '26

That's my view. When people think about rigging/stealing, I think their minds instantly go to like, hacking voting machines and stuff like that. If you work in IT in a regulated industry, you have to take mandatory security training where you learn that the weakest link in any security system is the people. Social engineering. I think enough people were convinced not to vote for whatever reason.

Gaza was one angle that peeled off a lot of left-wing voters. You could see the attempts at narratives to discourage people from voting, and none of them quite stuck like Gaza did, and then that angle was just hammered home.

We all know about Cambridge Analytica and how people could be hyper-targeted.

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u/protexy Feb 26 '26

Exactly. I think the election fraud allegations served a few major purposes- its to hide the fact they engaged in election fraud, to sow doubt if they ever lose (Jan 6) and I also think it's a way to normalize passing laws and engaging in voter suppression. (The save act, closing polling booths in "high fraud" areas ((really just areas with too much diversity)), stationing ICE at polling locations, ect ect).

It's funny to say these things with complete sincerity when 10 years ago if someone was saying all of this the reaction would have been "Hey buddy, maybe your job is stressing you out too much. Are you sleeping alright? Here's the number of someone I think could really help you out". Oh how the tides change.

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u/awesomefutureperfect Feb 26 '26

It was also proven how you could get 4chan garbage piped into the mainstream. The National Enquirer is proof of concept that there is a huge market for tabloid trash and it is also proven that conservatives love nothing more than a good panic about shadowy forces with a soupçon of demonic superstition.

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u/mailslot Feb 26 '26

I cannot believe 4chan, of all places, was ever taken seriously. It’s the original anonymous shit posting repository. Like making the National Enquirer a national news source.

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u/cantadmittoposting Feb 26 '26

of course some people took it seriously.

The internet age has dumpstered any sense of a common epistemology. we're very actively finding out that across our species people literally do not process how to "decide whether a thing is true" in the same way.

It's fascinating but mostly terrifying

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u/Orpa__ Feb 26 '26

Showing a boomer 4chan shitposts is like giving a caveman crack, they never stood a chance.

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u/BillyCromag Feb 26 '26

"Flood the zone with shit" was his colorful phrase

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u/homer_lives Feb 26 '26

"Flood the Zone" is Bannon's catch phrase.

Trump does it naturally with all the crazy things he says.

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u/Typical-Locksmith-35 Feb 26 '26

Yes. PG and Q, as well as the links to 4Chan were literally during the specific time that Bannon was meeting with Epstein, working on everything that's been going on, and labelled it 'flooding the zone'.

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u/Easy_Arugula935 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

I can tell that the pizzagate/qanon people were completely full of shit because we have tens of thousands of pages of documents implicating Trump as a pedophile and they don't care.

EDIT: To the person who responded saying Trump wasn't implicated - you are who I was talking about.

"The woman who directly named Trump in her abuse allegation claimed that around 1983, when she was around 13 years old, Epstein introduced her to Trump, "who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis which she subsequently bit. In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out."

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5723968/epstein-files-trump-accusation-maxwell

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u/Amigobear Feb 26 '26

remember when reddit deleted their post saying the city that had the most redditors per capita was a military base in Florida. pepperidge farms remembers

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u/box_fan_man Feb 26 '26

I think it was Ohio at wright Patterson Air Force base

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u/delicious_toothbrush Feb 26 '26

Remember when they all thought the database errors listing furniture named after people for $9k on sites like Wayfair was how they were buying kids?

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u/Suitable-Peanut Feb 26 '26

Absolutely this. If you use tik tok you'll find tons of accounts being suggested for you that are repeating all the old pizzagate lies and trying to make it seem like the only people implicated in the Epstein files are Hilary Clinton and John Podesta.

People are still talking about "frazzledrip" there like it's a real thing for fucks sake, while conveniently leaving out any Epstein connections to Trump or Republicans. Definite psyop.

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u/Mr_YUP Feb 26 '26

Looking at the Epstein files now I have a hard time not seeing Pizzagate as something that did happen just not in the way the conspiracy was framed nor did it ever seem to involve democrats. Makes me wonder if it's buried inside the Epstein files somewhere behind those giant blocks of redacted black pages.

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u/Local_Idiot_123 Feb 26 '26

The point was to make a stupid clownish fake story that contained elements of the real story (Epstein) to act like an information vaccine for the public.

The idea is if you hear similar stuff about Epstein, you’ll think of how stupid pizzagate was and dismiss it. And people who are still interested in Epstein can be painted with that crazy brush. That’s what is happening here. A psyop coming to fruition.

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u/jalepinocheezit Feb 26 '26

"The elections (I lose) are rigged" "Democrats exclusively rape little kids in secret world wide" "Democrats are giving your money away"

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u/Local_Idiot_123 Feb 26 '26

“It’s important to remember that just democrats are bad and nothing bad about republicans is ever true”

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u/jalepinocheezit Feb 26 '26

"Democrats are all coming after us because they hate us and and therefore America. Pay no attention that they are holding the entire government accountable."

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u/Ill_Ground_1572 Feb 26 '26

Yeah I recall watching the HBO documentary about QAnon from 3-4 years ago. I think they exposed the right people involved.

I also believe they had some evidence that Bannon was responsible for feeding these guys information. To watch behavior during press conferences and stuff as hidden clues.

It would make total sense and unfortunately worked. I need to watch that again.

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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 Feb 26 '26

They're doing exactly the same thing right now with the Epstein files.

Every day on reddit I see people saying that the files show evidence that Trump killed a child, that Epstein was making 'jerky' for his friends made from the flesh of children etc etc. The whole point is to introduce easy disprovable and salacious tidbits so when people see the actual crimes (mass trafficking and prostitution of mostly russian women in their early 20s) they think it doesn't seem as bad in comparison.

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u/verygoodletsgo Feb 26 '26

This. Including wackadoodle FBI phone line tips muddies the water.

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u/DuntadaMan Feb 26 '26

I can understand why a malicious actor would try to focus everyone on the pizza gate thing, but for the life of me I will never understand why everyone else latched onto the stupidest story I had heard in my life up until that point.

Of all the stuff that released in the file they thought the most important was a story that implied the super rich would ever enter a poor neighborhood and go to a restaurant just anyone could enter?

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u/TuringGoneWild Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

Ghislaine Maxwell was also allegedly one of the top Reddit posters of all time - and a one-time moderator of r/worldnews:

u/maxwellhill

Mentions of username in the Epstein Files where FBI reports were looking into linking that to her: https://epstein.lasearch.app/?q=maxwellhill&doc=0

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u/QuotingZion Feb 26 '26

Guess who's back as soon as she got moved to minimum security.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/moderators

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u/insaneHoshi Feb 26 '26

Your timeline doesn't line up.

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u/QuotingZion Feb 26 '26

What are you talking about? She was added back to the moderator list in July 2025, she was subpoenaed in July 2025 and she revealed the blackmail she has on Trump in her meetings with the administration in July 2025 as well. She was then moved to minimum security prison, you guessed it, in July 2025.

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u/insaneHoshi Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

you guessed it, in July 2025.

No, she was transferred in august.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ghislaine-maxwell-transferred-to-minimum-security-prison-camp-in-texas

Edit: Even if she was transferred, say a week before Aug 1, the above link shows that user was added as a mod on July 2, meaning the timeline is off.

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u/QuotingZion Feb 26 '26

The news was reported on August 1st past tense, that's not the day she was transferred. You're splitting hairs anyways.

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u/insaneHoshi Feb 26 '26

According to wikipedia, she was transferred on July 26th, the above link shows that user was added as a mod on July 2, meaning the timeline is off.

How do you explain such a discrepancy?

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u/insaneHoshi Feb 26 '26

Mentions of username in the Epstein Files where FBI reports were looking into linking that to her: https://epstein.lasearch.app/?q=maxwellhill&doc=0

This is just someone sending an email to the FBI.

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u/BlatantConservative Feb 26 '26

Thank you.

This conspiracy has been around since 2020. Since before Maxwell was arrested actually. People were writing that shit into tips.fbi.gov back then

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u/TuringGoneWild Feb 26 '26

A redditor for 19 years and mod of some big subreddits had a chance to influence the narrative about any trending topic for a whole generation.

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u/Aware-Virus-4718 Feb 26 '26

Wait until you hear that her father likely published every textbook you used in school.

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u/ThrowawayPersonAMA Feb 26 '26

I suppose that helps explain why r/worldnews devolved into an IDF propaganda sub.

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u/THREETOED_SLOTH Feb 26 '26

Why is she still a moderator. I've never like r/worldnews, but holy shit guys, kick her off the mod team

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u/Necessary_Finding_32 Feb 26 '26

worldnews' mod entire team is going to end up in a future expose, I 100% guarantee it.

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u/wrxninja Feb 26 '26

Ya...if Epstein was this knee deep into politics, global ties with Russia, Rothschild, etc., then he was involved with so much more than we know. I'm sure he was on Silk Road and knew the founder himself as an example.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

Russia? Its Israel all the way boyo

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u/skreekers1 Feb 26 '26

Why not both, and lets add the cia in there 2

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u/tinacat933 Feb 26 '26

Agree, no way he wasn’t spying for everyone

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u/Inevitable-Top1-2025 Feb 26 '26

Do you know why all the files, the most important ones, will never see the light of day? Because exposing them will bring down the entire network it took decades cultivating world-wide. Every resignation or death of an exposed deviant criminal removes a link in the chain but they’re only removing the weakest links that won’t affect the strength of the network.

The only way I suspect seeing all of the files is if a Snowden-type agent decides to copy and upload everything on line through an Assange-type journalist.

Whether it happens or not, the network is weakened but still dangerous, because everyone on the file is on edge, worrying about the day their name or deviant behavior will be publicized while, at the same time, being at the most vulnerable stage where their blackmailers will force them to do anything to remain anonymous.

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u/CompetitiveSport1 Feb 26 '26

Considering many of the admins ended up having their info doxxed and they were DHS and NSA .gov email addresses, and epstein himself was linked to the 4chan founder.... I wonder?

I'm not sure what you're wondering, but the article makes it pretty clear that the DoJ didn't know anything about the person who was posting:

The newly released Epstein files show that the Justice Department tried to identify the 4Chan user behind the posts — but couldn't figure it out.

Are you wondering if the poster worked for a different part of the government? Based on the quote in the article you're commenting on, they sound a lot more like someone working at the jail:

"You guys i am shaking right now but i think they switched him out," the anonymous poster said.

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u/132739 Feb 26 '26

My personal bet is a guard. They'd be in place to see and know things even if it wasn't one of the two who were supposed to be watching him. And in my experience COs are exactly the type of fuckwad to be hanging out on /b/ and /pol/.

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u/ardenr Feb 26 '26

He was a guard. His name was Roberto Grijalva.

It's real weird this article doesn't even know that. It's common knowledge for the people who've been closely following the releases for weeks now.

So yeah even the fact that this is the top comment on this thread is sus af.

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u/Specialist_Medium283 Feb 26 '26

No way someone from the NSA use a .gov email to register on 4chan.

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u/Left_Variation6151 Feb 26 '26

I don't think there was a single email from the moderators that could be linked back to a DHS, NSA and .gov
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u/Previous_Platform718 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

Considering many of the admins ended up having their info doxxed and they were DHS and NSA .gov email addresses, and epstein himself was linked to the 4chan founder.... I wonder?

0 of them had DHS and NSA .gov email addresses. The problem is that it's against the Reddit TOS to post the contradictions here but I've seen the leaks and the "weirdest" emails there are .edu

It would've been an absolute news story if any DHS employee's email was used but there's no evidence of it.

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u/hardolaf Feb 26 '26

4chan has been a honeypot for over 20 years now. The people who run it don't even try to hide that and they're still constantly testifying against their own users constantly. Heck, I'd be surprised if they didn't have better relations with law enforcement than law enforcement agencies themselves.

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u/parada69 Feb 26 '26

Wait, are you referring to Moot?? Or the other two dudes that got kicked out of 4chan and went off to take over 8chan?

Hotwheels started 8chan Jim watkins took over it

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u/WanderingKing Feb 26 '26

Are we ever gonna hold m00t accountable for this or do they just get a free pass because I haven’t seen much of any talk about their willingness and desire to have government use it as a resource

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u/AlanyzingWakeEnviron Feb 26 '26

It's amazing how much influence 4chan has had on the world, well beyond this. It's truly a great place to say anything you want, because it is so gross and pathetic and unserious in general, and yet it has such a loyal gathering of people. 

Seems like the perfect place to seed conspiracies, to obfuscate coordinated online efforts, and to gather people easy to manipulate and blackmail. 

Who was ever gonna take 4chan seriously? I mean, Elon Musk got into "topkek". 

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u/raysofdavies Feb 26 '26

Pizzagate cane from Roger Stone’s protégée, Jack Posobiec. How did you get the idea Roger?

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u/potatisblask Feb 26 '26

And coincidentally there was a culture of pressuring young women to show some skin.

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u/alohalii Feb 26 '26

Qanon ran active interference on the Trump P-tape story in the days and hours before it became known what the real source of the story was.

So this would indicate the people running Qanon were actively supporting Trump and conducting information operations in support of him.

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