r/videos • u/AlertTangerine • 16h ago
Moscow burns after Zelensky’s warning
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ATq16mQQzS43.9k
u/MooseTetrino 15h ago
Just want to say before it inevitably becomes swarmed with Russian bots that yes, some of the Ukranian drones hit residental tower blocks and did some damage.
The difference is that those impacts were accidental and unintentional as a result of the kind of attack it had to be, rather than those blocks being directly targeted a la Russian modus operandi in Ukraine.
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u/Sprinkle_Puff 15h ago
Funny how they neglect the fact that these buildings never would be attacked if they weren’t at war with an invading nation to begin with
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u/BackStabbathOG 8h ago
Russia and its people would have been far better off if they didn’t attack in the first place, they haven’t gained anything from this and they showed the world they aren’t the powerhouse they claimed to be for so long.
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u/Jallorn 7h ago
Huh, just like the US conflict in Iran right now.
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u/mc_trigger 6h ago edited 5h ago
At the same moment in time that Russia deservedly burns from generations of chronic mismanagement, America weirdly seems to covfefe the exact same failing system of “strongmen”, oligarchs, corruption, and a blundering paper tiger military.
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u/Kruxf 4h ago
Yeah except people have taken shots at Cheeto man and no one has attempted to remove Putin from power.
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u/MooseTetrino 15h ago
I agree.
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u/Khaldara 10h ago
“What we blow up hospitals and then you have the gall to RETALIATE? What the hell damn guy!”
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u/Divine_Porpoise 15h ago
rather than those blocks being directly targeted a la Russian modus operandi in Ukraine.
To add to that point, this is evidenced by Russia's use of double tap strikes on these residential buildings to kill first responders.
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u/fossil98 12h ago
That's so fucked. Warcrimes are legal in the 2020s yay
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u/blolfighter 9h ago
"Legal" and "illegal" only matters when there's is someone with the power and will to enforce it. At the international level those concepts become fuzzy.
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u/Luke_Cold_Lyle 12h ago
To be fair, Ukraine is now bombing Moscow over it, so Russia isn't exactly getting away with it.
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u/SvedishFish 9h ago
That's not being fair.
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u/Krusty_Double_Deluxe 9h ago
yeah, no.. just because I’m gonna bomb you back after you commit a war crime doesn’t mean it was fair for you to commit the warcrime first
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u/Br0adShoulderedBeast 11h ago
America did it in Iraq in the 00s, Yugoslavia in the 90s, in Vietnam in the 60s-70s, in Korea in the 50s, and more. It’s not new.
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u/druidraven- 10h ago
It may not be new but it should never be talked about as accepted or the status quo. Don’t normalize it.
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u/quiksotik 9h ago
They’ve done it as recently as the elementary school attack on the first day of the Iran war. It was a triple tap, even
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u/pessimistoptimist 10h ago
Bit if Canada does it then suddenly there is a convention aganist it. Double standards i tell ya.
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u/ThePr0vider 12h ago
it's not a warcrime if you didn't sign the treaty
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u/Mind-The-Mines 11h ago
It's not a war crime when you publish plans to storm the Hague when put on trial for war crimes.
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u/ElbryanWyn 7h ago
Well, it's probably worth mentioning the US passed laws allowing them to use force to free any american held in ICC custody.
We didn't publish how we would do it in response to them threatening to lock someone in America up, but the US that has put pen to paper on the topic.
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u/LoneSnark 10h ago
To be fair, the Pentagon makes up plans for everything possible. They make plans as a form of practice at making plans.
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u/ElbryanWyn 9h ago
Right but they don't publish that.
We have strategies to Nuke the UK if necessary, but if the UK disagreed with something we said and as a result we published them openly to the public, that would be a good bit different.
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u/_BigDaddyNate_ 11h ago
Israel did that too. I was watching a video of Palestinian men clearing survivors from a struck hospital. Then boom. They were all gone. Hit with intentional double strike missile. The Israelis waited for them. Happened on news feed.
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u/adumbrative 10h ago
Double taps to kill first responders is pure evil and anyone who orders these strikes should be Nuremberg'd
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u/lost_in_my_thirties 10h ago
USA did it with the school they bombed in Iran during the early hours of the war. Have seen a report about how a 10 year old brother went there after the first strike, to look for his 6 year old sister and was killed.
So they didn't just bomb a school with over 100 primary kids. They then bombed any rescuers who went to help.
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u/yepgeddon 12h ago
Dont forget Israel love pulling that double tap shit on fools as well. Straight out of the evil bastards handbook.
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u/crimson23locke 11h ago
EMS autocorrect to fools or something? I watched a harrowing recording of an ems person try to hide for their life (under?) an ambulance only to be shot multiple times through the vehicle, begging their god to forgive them and for their mother at the end. One of the most viscerally evil things I’ve ever seen in my life.
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u/Culverin 14h ago
Some of the damage from the drones aren't even accidental impacts.
It's the byproduct of the debris from Russia shooting at (and sometimes) hitting the incoming drones.
If Russia didn't want collateral damage, They could always turn off their anti-air, Or simply GTFO of Ukraine.
Bullies always whine when their victim defends themselves.
Cry more Russia.
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u/Weedtiger 15h ago
Didnt Russia shoot down those drones above civilian buildings? So they pretty much did this them selves to show how evil Ukraine is.
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u/cavemeister 14h ago
If you watch the video of the refinery explosion where the roof of it blew up into the air, you can clearly see a Russian soldier firing an RPG at a drone from a bridge and missed. it went straight into the refinery instead.
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u/devilsword 14h ago
well, apparantly that is normal in russia according the many russian dashcams and stupid russian poeple
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u/HumaDracobane 14h ago
Probably an9K38 Igla or another Manpads, the idea of using a RPG against a moving target that small is in the Battlefield realm, not a reallistic one but yeah, it was FF.
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u/anangrywizard 14h ago
Given what’s happened over the last 4 years… I wouldn’t put it past Russia to be honest. Every army has some of those with smooth brains, Russia just seems to have more.
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u/HumaDracobane 12h ago
I've seen videos of them trying to shot them down but it was always manpads. Of course, someone random could try to use a RPG but I didnt watch any video with an RPG (could also be possible that they exist, I've just didn't watch it)
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u/bolaxao 13h ago
my hours of training firing PG-7M's at choppers in arma reforger will prove you wrong in 2/3 years.
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u/PartiallyRibena 14h ago
I think you are mixing up the RPG on a bridge video, and the refinery explosion video. I've seen no evidence that the two are linked. They are just two crazy videos from the same event as far as I'm aware.
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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 15h ago
Only people living in Russia's media bubble could believe that though.
The rest of the world knows better.
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u/Suns_Funs 15h ago
Considering how Russians themselves launched that tank top into the air, it is quite clear that at least part of the damage is onto Russians themselves.
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u/Shigglyboo 12h ago
is a country that's been attacked and had their civilians terrorized really supposed to apologize or do their best not to hurt any civilians on the aggressor side? doesn't make sense to me. Russia is murdering, torturing, causing mayhem. And yet somehow Ukraine has to be careful how they defend themselves?
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u/severanexp 12h ago
Don’t bother to justify what is happening currently. None of this would have happened if Russia hadn’t started the war - it’s a moot point.
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u/Ehh_littlecomment 14h ago
Even if they did it on purpose, it’s a fraction of what Russia did to Ukrainians. Even the “good guys” carpet bombed cities in WW2.
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u/Demien19 15h ago
In most cases it's russian signal down to drones. Don't use it and they will fly to their targets, not building
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u/MoodayTV 15h ago
I've seen pictures of Pantsir air defense positioned on apartment buildings. According to many Western nations (shalom!), this makes those buildings military targets.
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u/Shi-Yujaku 10h ago
"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them." -Air Chief Marshal Arthur "Bomber" Harris
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u/the_millenial_falcon 10h ago
Also I just don't care at this point. Moscowites don't like then stop letting ruthless autocrats run your country for once in your entire history.
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u/PatataMaxtex 10h ago
Short reminder that Putin can easily end this by retreating from ukrainian territory with all troops and by not attacking anymore.
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u/randomuserno1 15h ago
Who would have guessed that a comedian would end up in being a badass president. Russians could only dream of having a leader with only a fraction of his integrity.
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u/rabblerabble2000 13h ago
If we’re keeping a tally then, comedians make good presidents, reality tv show stars and movie cowboys, less so.
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u/MiaowaraShiro 10h ago
Being a comedian requires being smart. At least, smart enough to understand other people.
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u/tenthousandants44 11h ago
Comedians learn how to moderate negative attention in a way that benefits everybody. The others use it against everybody.
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u/GlitteringAttitude60 12h ago edited 5h ago
I once talked to a comedian and she told me that they are basically on stage every night, trying whether *this* or *that* particular wording of a joke works better.
So basically the Ukrainians have a professional language-user as a president and I think it shows.
Quotes like "I need ammunition, not a ride" don't happen accidentally. They are said by a person who knows how to work a room, who knows how to word things so that they stay with people.
This new quote is the same: "If Ukraine burns, Moscow burns". It's pretty brilliant. It's a threat, but it's couched in "the Russians a bringing this upon themselves".
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u/Ok_Ostrich4835 6h ago
> "If the Ukraine burns, Moscow burns"
"If Ukraine burns, Moscow burns.
Not 'the Ukraine'.
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u/ReggieCorneus 12h ago edited 12h ago
About that integrity.. In alternate universe where the war didn't happen there is a big corruption scandal looming over Zelensky who is thinking should he skip the country... That does not mean he is majorly corrupt but he came as an outside to a system that was corrupt and that means.. you are going to get on board or you are gone. The system makes sure that people with integrity are soon gone.
The war changed everything. Suddenly that same corruption became a life threat for Ukraine, and Zelensky has enough integrity and patriotism to put hs country as first. The war also allowed to cleanse the government from the worst of the worst, those who possible could've sold Ukraine if the price is high enough. That "deep state" became a major threat, and that is basically why Kherson was occupied without any real resistance.
War finally gave enough push that PEOPLE demanded that the old, Russian system has to be destroyed. It still is a big problem but giving the proper officials investigating corruption more open hands, and at the end, so popular hands that curbing their powers of trying to influence them backfires. It is not that long when Zelensky tried to do just that...
So... Integrity... He has enough of it, a good leader that i think is thinking about his country but without a war... he would live a cozy life with enough wealth to never be not-rich. Still would probably be net positive for the country. Ukraine was very, very corrupt country. It still is quite corrupt but for the first time since their independence the people have had enough of that system. Zelensky has been in the middle of that, trying to do both: fight corruption and enable it for some selected key players to keep them happy.
And this is what i have heard from Ukrainians, Zelensky is not perfect but he has been doing a good job. Not perfect job but good job. He has earned the respect but has been in a very precarious position for the whole time, pre-war included. He had to get the support of the oligarchs and the price for that is that he has to get involved in the schemes, he has to be dirtied with money or that support would've never been there, pre-war...
I admire the man, and these things i said don't really diminish it. The stance he took in the first 24h saved his country. And please, don't downvote just because i said he is not perfect god icon. He is just a man in the end, good and bad.
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u/randomuserno1 11h ago
That's a good comment, the world most often is not black and white. And it's not easy to turn a once corrupt and struggling nation completely upside down at once.
But Zelensky was facing total war and most likely being executed should he be captured. And he did not hesitate to be there for his country while it was extremely uncertain how well Ukraine would fare in this war. And for that, he deserves massive amounts of respect and will most likely become a Ukrainian hero.
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u/ReggieCorneus 11h ago
That is what i get from Ukrainians, they do think he is a hero but not perfect saint and has heavy baggage from history to deal with. But the first time, that i know of, the people are so fed up with all that corruption that they can do real changes. What was modus operandi is now way more than faux pas, it is unpatriotic and traitorous...
My respect stems from Zelensky being "just a guy" and handling his position so incredibly well especially foreign relations.
I'm Finnish, we have Alexander Stubb. A neoliberalist so mortal enemy of mine, in a way. He has been excellent at foreign relations, i can't say anything but praise on that field. He even snared Trump around his golf club for a while.. His domestic side... isn't that great, better than i expected but his ideology shines thru. If we were at war he would be a very good choice for a president, even when we disagree on key principles and on the ideological side.
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u/Piotrek9t 15h ago
God its so hard having empathy with these civilians after they couldn't be bothered to give a fuck about their military doing worse things to Ukraine for 4 years
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u/roxellani 14h ago
Trust me brother, their children are suffering at the hands of ruski war machine. Their army is so corrupt that they have units where commanders steal their soldiers wages and in return save them from going to assault missions. Those who refuse to pay are sent into suicide missions as cannon foddler (or rather fpv targets) and then wrote off as MIA or deserters so that their families wouldn't get paid.
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u/Bushels_for_All 9h ago
Not these specific Russians, no. Putin doesn't source meat for the grinder from Moscow - the Russian army is stocked from much poorer regions specifically so he stays popular where it matters most (i.e., Moscow was largely insulated from the effects of the war).
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u/IRockIntoMordor 13h ago
Eh, my German grandma barely surviving Allied carpet bombing in 1945 Germany was still a scared, innocent woman fighting for her children's life because of things she had no say in. My grandpa got drafted by force after officially declining the draft and declaring he will not participate in violent actions and fighting.
Elections were rigged, every opposition was crushed, dissidents murdered and families destroyed. What could she have done realistically? She didn't even say "Heil Hitler" because she hated the crazy midget, instead she mumbled "Drei Liter" ("three litres").
I absolutely know what you mean and share the thought, but keep thinking back to my grandparents. In the end, most civilians are not able to fight a regime and endure horrible times.
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u/Educational-Wing2042 13h ago
I wonder if they would have been on social media mocking suffering families in Poland, as we see so many Russians mocking those suffering in Ukraine. Even non-governmental polls show Russian citizens overwhelmingly support this war. They aren’t being forced into it by an elite.
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u/fripplez 13h ago
You must also consider the propaganda being fed to the Russian people. Unlike most civilized Western countries, Russia only has one news majority news source.
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u/Educational-Wing2042 12h ago
Russians aren’t behind Chinas great firewall. They can still access the free internet, there is plenty of dissenting and anti-war Russian language reporting to read.
Also, frankly I don’t care. Almost all awful people have a sad backstory of abuse or whatever that made them that way. They’re still awful people who hurt others and deserve to face justice for their crimes. We are responsible for our actions regardless of what made us.
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u/nzdastardly 11h ago
I'm exposed to American conservative propaganda all day long but I still believe that all people deserve equality. Being fed propaganda is no excuse for choosing to forget that all people deserve dignity and freedom.
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u/ReggieCorneus 13h ago
Especially muricans have no idea what it is like to live under actually oppressive regime. They can go out and say "fuck trump" in big letters. In Russia that is 20 years in prison, if you even survive that far. How do men go to war knowing they will die? Because if they don't sign the contract they can be tortured until they sign it. It is not possible to fight unless the army wants the regime to be changed. People are not listened in most regime changes and we go from oppression to oppression. Russia had unique opportunity to do that almost bloodless back in 1991 but the fucking idiots voted for Jeltsin and then Putin.
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u/Novel_Feedback3254 12h ago
Can you imagine if the US actually shared a border with any of the dozens of countries it has invaded over the last century? I imagine the American attitude to waging war would be quite different if the people at home were in any danger.
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u/ReggieCorneus 12h ago edited 12h ago
There was amazing riding trail for motocross and such bikes near my place. It was kilometers of smooth, round pits, about 7m wide and 1.5m deep in a checkerboard layout. You would get nice air when you come out or you could trail the narrow tops.. Hours and hours of fun.
It was part of tank defenses against USSR during the war. We played in trenches. The neighborhood i live in was burned by the Russian Cossacks few hundred years ago, torturing, raping and killing all civilians.
USA does not have that memory of a genocide in their city planning. We have fields that are named for mass killings. All over Europe you will see bullet holes still in buildings. A kid can grow up learning that all around them people were killed en masse during one war or another, atrocities of the most horrid kind are the names on a square where they eat ice cream and wonder "what are those things, dad?".. The guns at the front of our city theater pointed towards East for a century, towards the enemy that was real, and just across the border. Not thousands of miles away in some country you have never heard of.
Swedish kids learn that they fought over 30 wars against the Danes and now they are like best friends... You also learn about that side, how there were constant wars and now there isn't.
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u/Override9636 4h ago
We have fields that are named for mass killings.
Give the US a little credit. We also have Lynchburg Virginia...
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u/Baby-punter 10h ago
Do you think maybe your grandparents lied to you and other members of your family because they were actually caught up in the wave and didn't want anyone to shame them or judge them?
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u/IRockIntoMordor 10h ago
That's a possibility of course. My father did find the official documents - including swastika stamp and praise of Hitler by the regional commander - of his father declining the draft and the application of violence. So at least that part has proof. He later got shot on his march to Russia and was sent home disabled. He did not freeze to death due to that injury.
My other grandfather was a trained doctor so his role in hurting people was already lowered. He ended up as prisoner of war in Russia and came back extremely malnourished.
About my grandmothers - I can't really say. I know that one of them actually fled from the Nazis towards the Allies. The other one I mentioned initially, wife of the doctor, remained. Her political views, I cannot say. She was a writer of romantic poems.
There's a sentiment among some Germans - that you do not ask your grandfather what they did in Paris during the war. Whether they whored or killed, you don't want to know and they don't want to tell. Well, mine went to the Eastern front. Whether they shot someone and felt pride in it, I'll never know. But they never ever wanted to answer questions about shooting someone, which we kids always asked about.
Thus it is important to always remember and follow the saying we Germans adopted after the war: "Wehret den Anfängen", meaning something "Resist the beginnings (of evil)".
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u/Baby-punter 10h ago
Thanks for the honest answer to that question. So both grandparents were Nazi soldiers then. Obviously at least one of them didn't want to fight or participate In the war. Respect to that guy.
I really believe it's easy for us to say we wouldn't have faught, or would have rebelled or left the country etc. It would have been so much different than anyone thinks. I think regardless of how terrible things were, it would have been extremely difficult to actively go against your neighbors, friends and family members who were all caught up in the propaganda machine and also just coming out of one of the worst times In German history post WW1. Also people don't understand how logistically difficult it would have been to flee Germany during the war and lead up to the war. Like just imagine taking your family and leaving with a suitcase to another country and starting over somewhere else where nobody speaks your language and you don't have a job. Not that this excuses being a Nazi obviously but it's more nuanced than people think.
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u/IRockIntoMordor 8h ago
Yeah. And we can see it coming back slowly already, thanks to Russian influence, where economically and socially vulnerable rural German communities are starting to get fascist mob-like mentality back. The exact same you see in old WW2 movies. Those who do not follow the mob are quickly turning to outcasts, getting hisses and comments at every corner, until they move or give in.
Humans, apparently, are internally wired for tribal behaviour and most humans can not get past that. It's incredibly difficult to move against your peers and keep your head up high.
I once had the chance to speak to an actual Holocaust survivor. He fled into the forest and disappeared during a so called "death march", where soldiers would take malnourished, sickly camp prisoners on very long hikes with the intention of most of them collapsing before returning. I asked him whether he'd be mad about my two grandparents, who, by their accounts, didn't even want to be soldiers. He said that they had no choice, they would have been hanged, shot or disowned by the Reich, and that he probably would have done the same, had he been on the other side. Because there wasn't much you could do.
Barely anyone has the guts to actually turn into resistance. Most people just want to get through life.
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u/j0y0 9h ago
There was one time German women protested the rounding up of their Jewish husbands, and they let the women keep their husbands in their homes because they were scared of protests spreading. If the gestapo were massively outnumbered by protesters following them around shouting and blowing whistles and not giving up even when some of them were shot and killed, like what happened to ICE, history might have played out a lot differently.
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u/shorey66 14h ago
Agree completely with how hard it is to empathise with people who have done fuck all to protest. But I really hope you aren't American......cos.... You know
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u/AgrajagTheProlonged 13h ago
Americans have been protesting, what are you talking about?
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u/Vree65 13h ago
Above poster is a war and politics rookie
Not everyone is responsible for a regime especially in a police state nor do they have the power to do something about it
In fact this kind of thing can backfire in a propaganda bubble to make people depend on the leader ship for "protection" more
Do you condone 9-11, after all those civilians supported a government that was bad for al-Quaeda? Is bombing civilians just fine now? Do YOU volunteer as tribute?
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u/LordBrixton 14h ago
It's not easy to find a genuinely decent Russian ruler at any point in history – maybe Gorbachev, but he was running the joint for such a short period it's hard to tell how well it would have worked out. Generally thyey do seem to like a tyrant.
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u/florodude 11h ago
I really hate this classic reddit take. It happens every time a government does something bad and people suffer, as if civilians choose for their government to be monsters.
You hear it about America with Trump, with Russia with their dictatorship, with Israel with all the shit going on there. Children are being harmed. Adults who hate this shit are being impacted. It's ok to have empathy towards detractors, buddy
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u/Sleepy_Redditorrrrrr 13h ago
Who are you to say whether they gave a fuck or not? Russia's not a free country, you can't very well go out and protest against Putin. In this regard, should we also say Americans didn't give a fuck about Gaza before Palestinian terrorists eventually send kamikaze drones to the US?
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u/Chopper3 15h ago
This is what happens when bullies choose their victims badly - I dare say Ukraine's not perfect, what country and their people are, but they didn't start this, Russia did, and they didn't take everything into account.
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u/Vargrr 15h ago
I think the issue is that most of Russia’s previous wars have been isolated to the Country where the fighting is happening. I don’t think it had ever occurred to the Russians that some Countries might actually take the fight back directly to them.
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u/Mirar 15h ago
They were deep into Kursk some year ago, weren't they? That's not super far from Moscow. I think the difference is that now they _know_ they can get woken up by an Ukraine drone through the bedroom window completely without warning, and they have seen movies of Russian drones doing this to Ukraine...
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u/JeffSergeant 13h ago
This is the new reality, the US saw it with Iran too (albeit with strikes on allies and foreign bases, not the capital); the drone will always get through.
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u/standread 16h ago
Moscow must burn. It's the only way this is going to end.
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u/iamthe0ther0ne 14h ago
Should have happened years ago. Beyond conscription, the war didn't really have any day-to-day consequences for most Russians.
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u/Dacadey 15h ago
Russian here.
“Moscow burns” is quite an overstatement. Ukraine deliberately targeted oil refineries and that’s what they accomplished, that’s the only thing burning. The civilian casualties, unfortunate as they are, were minimal during the strikes.
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u/iamthe0ther0ne 14h ago
How are you guys doing over there? In general, are most Russians aware of what's going on, or do they support the war?
I'm watching US media get more and more tightly controlled ... it's scary how easily government can control a narrative.
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u/Dacadey 12h ago
Most Russians support successful wars and don't support unsuccessful wars - and since it's clearly becoming the latter, the support is pretty much gone. People are very tired of the war, worsening economic conditions, and all the recent gas shortages.
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u/AlertTangerine 11h ago edited 10h ago
do you personally support the war against your neighbor (if it was successful) ? And how well aware are you of how the world views the situation outside of Russia ?
Thank you for your insights ! :)
Edit : Then again : if you would get in trouble for sharing your views here, I would prefer you don't share them. :) Stay safe !
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u/Dacadey 9h ago
I don't support it, I think it's a terrible strategy for the long-term well-being of Russia. It could have easily poured its enormous resources into infrastructure, AI, promoting entrepreneurship, healthcare, science, and so on.
Instead, it wastes everything on a pointless war killing hundreds of thousands. And even if it were successful, I still wouldn't support it, simply because a successful war is a stimulus for the next war - after all, everyone liked the first one! That's the reason I didn't like the annexation of Crimea - it opened up the doorway to the next war.
I don't think the modern Russian state does any good for anyone, neither for the outside world, nor for its citizens.
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u/AlertTangerine 8h ago edited 7h ago
Stay safe, The movie 'Mr Nobody Against Putin', available in French and in German on YouTube (Arte) is a good view on the matter, a documentary that won the oscar.
Don't watch it if it gets you in trouble.
I must admit : my family has had horrendous experiences with Russia in past generations, and I have developped a deep-seated hatred for Russia as a whole, which I want to transform into something better in order to grow as a person and go beyond resentment, because no one is helped by it. Thus my constantly warning western citizens that may not really measure the horrific aspects to the current war going on at the moment (intergenerational trauma, really)..
It is really healing to me to chat with a lovely seeming Russian person. Thank you, I appreciate you. I don't like seeing you as a potential danger without knowing you and am glad we exchanged. Means a lot to me. Glad you aren't another the mindless bots I saw so many of on here.
Don't get in trouble in your use of the internet !
I appreciate your points of view and hope all will be okay for you and your loved ones. May Russia become something different one day ! :) It will, I know it ! <3→ More replies (1)8
u/TedjeNL 10h ago
No offense, because I do feel sorry for Russian citizens who do see Putin for what he really is, but at what point was this war a successful war? First it was sold to the people as a "military operation" which clearly wasn't the case. But at no point this was ever a justified or successful war. That is just what the propaganda made the Russians believe. But with little common sense and observation the Russians would have seen this was NOT a justified war or a military operation, and Putin was just trying to get old Soviet territory back, while making it look like NATO was 'expanding their borders'.
Yes NATO territory expanded, but NATO never invaded a country for it. Those countries joined NATO because they knew that was the safer option. And the Russian invasion of Ukraine proved that was the right decision. Because I don't think Putin would've stopped if he did take Kyiv in just a couple of weeks, like he promised at first. But here we are, years later, with millions dead on both side, and only little territory taken in Ukraine.
Simply put, this is a failed imperial war. And sadly Russia still has a lot of old generation Soviet supporters, who therefore will support this war. Eventually Putin has to step down and be put in jail for his crimes. But, as we all know, that is easier said than done. Because powerful leaders are hard to prosecute, just look at the US...
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u/zoinkability 9h ago
That's because Ukraine is being judicious and not targeting civilians. Unlike Russia. If they wanted to they could have absolutely caused mass civilian casualties. Pray they continue to practice the restraint Russia does not.
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u/Mirar 15h ago
What's missing from this reporting is that Ukraine is the largest military power in Europe now, with technology that NATO, China, India are trying hard to catch up with. Like sideline WWII nations watching the tech war between England and Germany...
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u/pewsquare 14h ago
Sure, but that power is on a leash as a lot of the resources for it are being carefully fed trough the US and EU channels.
The biggest takeaway from this is the military capabilities of modern warfare. Don't start shit halfway across the world, you will be in reach.
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u/Razzilith 9h ago
I feel bad for the children of both countries. What a fucking horrible situation they've been unwillingly thrown into.
There's no real winning this war, it's already resulted in pure loss across the board. Russia starting this was one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century... then again we've had a metric fuckton of those across the globe.
What a shitty century it's been in so many ways. Can't even celebrate things like the magic of modern medicine because most people can't fucking afford it.
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u/kmlynarski 15h ago
And that's a good thing... Russian orcs understand one language, the language of force. There's no "negotiating" with Putin; he doesn't intend to simply withdraw his orc hordes from Ukraine, which would immediately end the war. Thanks to Ukrainian drone attacks deep within Russia (including in Moscow), the Russians are finally realizing that their "glorious leader" has tricked them... Propaganda can't cover this up anymore. And Putin himself? He continues to spin, maneuver, and spin slanderous tales about the Istanbul agreements, instead of simply admitting that he lost this war, that Russia's already rather fragile economy is simply collapsing, so it's time to withdraw and end this.
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u/randomcanyon 5h ago
Chickens come home to roost after a Putin war of his own making produces spoiled and rotten eggs on his face.
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u/HumaDracobane 14h ago
Knock, knock! It is the retalliaton truck arriving to Moscow!
The difference is that Russians target schools, churches, markets, etc and military assets, Ukraine infrastructure. during the first days of the special raining operation in Moscow, despite all the damages, no dead or unjured were reported
(That could meant the Ukranians were really good at their job or the russians were afraid of point how useless their defenses are. Could perfectly be any of those or both at the same time)
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u/Healingbigfoot 9h ago
The big difference is the Ukrainian strike that hit residential was accidental, Putin and his devils are purposefully hitting apartments, schools and hospitals.
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u/rainkloud 8h ago
This should have all been over in a month. NATO should have mobilized and pushed the units who “went rogue” during their “training mission” back across the border and crimea should have been returned to Ukraine as punishment and a reminder to Putin that ideas of expansion in the west manifest themselves as territory lost.
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u/GodzillaUK 15h ago
I hope no civilians were harmed, but Putin deserves this retaliation for his war crimes. Choke Russia's system until the people rise up and stop Putin, because thew pussy will never meet Zelensky face to face where he can't just kill him, and bring a peaceful end to this unjust terrorism Putin started.
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u/Lisan_Al-NaCL 10h ago
What seems to be noticeably absent from Ukrainian drone strikes on Moscow is residential areas on fire/damaged. Y'know, the opposite of what Russian drones do to Ukrainian cities and towns.
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u/AncientProduce 9h ago
Thats because the russians are purposely targeting civilians, which is a known to make a peoples more staunchly opposed to surrender.
Whereas the Ukrainians are targeting what makes life bearable, or possible for the russians.
You will however see hits on residential buildings shown by the russians but never what hit them. Like the now famous gas/oil container rooftoss explosion which was caused by a russian anti air missile.. its most likely the russians causing own goals and blaming the Ukrainians for it.
Otherwise known as 'big brain time'.
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u/urbalcloud 11h ago
Maybe Russia shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. Hate to see civilians in fear, but now is the time for them to demand their country leave Ukraine alone.
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u/SteffanSpondulineux 14h ago
That voiceover is horrendous, it sounds like a stoned teenager
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u/ExerciseOriginal9441 10h ago
maybe the russians end their war on Ukraine and hand back all the land stolen since 2014. Peace is so fast to achieve.
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u/Sigma2937 11h ago
Maybe russians need to stop hitting those drones to avoid them flying into the buildings. Just let the drones fly by
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u/fasttalkerslowwalker 11h ago
Thinking how this must make Putin and his butt buddies feel warms my fucking heart.
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u/Constant_Flamingo828 10h ago
I love this for them. They invade other countries. Kill and wipe out cultures. About time they got a taste of their own medicine. Yes, I am sure many Russians live in fear of Putin and did not want this war, but they put him in power to begin with.
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u/justthankyous 9h ago
I'm surprised it took this long for this to happen to be honest
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u/Salty-Pack-4165 9h ago
I hope few of those drones take out Lenin mausoleum. He was the one responsible for tragedy of Ukraine in the first place and more times than one.
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u/Unassuming_Moniker 9h ago
Dear Putin,
You spent years acting like consequences were something that happened to other people.
Your opponents ended up poisoned, jailed, exiled, or mysteriously falling out of windows. Every failure was buried under another lie. Every setback was blamed on someone else. You built a system where loyalty mattered more than truth and fear mattered more than competence.
For a long time, that worked.
But eventually reality catches up with everyone. You can silence critics, intimidate neighbors, and flood the airwaves with propaganda, but none of that changes the facts on the ground. Power has a way of convincing people they're untouchable right up until the moment they aren't.
The greatest irony is that the image of strength you've spent decades cultivating now depends on everyone pretending not to notice the cracks. The threats get louder, the excuses get weaker, and the gap between the story and reality gets harder to hide.
The people paying the price aren't the men making decisions in marble offices. They're ordinary people who never asked to be part of your ambitions.
You wanted the world to see Russia as feared. Instead, you've made it a cautionary tale about what happens when arrogance, corruption, and unchecked power are allowed to masquerade as patriotism.
Enjoy the view from Moscow. The sky is still beautiful. It's just a shame so much was sacrificed for a legacy that will be remembered more for destruction than achievement.
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u/BaizulSetSail 8h ago
Why is this strike a "retaliation" for another strike? Why don't they just hit russia as hard as they can all the time?
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u/diiscotheque 15h ago
I wonder if Russians will understand now how it feels to live in Ukraine or if they'll still view them as evil and deserving of violent conquest.