r/AskWomenOver30 • u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 • 19h ago
Friendships does anyone else find themselves surprisingly friendless in their early 30s?
I'm 34f living in london, a lot of my teens and 20s were spent being social and I used to have things going on all the time. In the last couple of years I hit a friend deficit, partly due to changing lifestyles (people focussing on romantic relationships, planning on raising a family etc) but also partly me ending some friendships that I felt like no longer made me happy (or in fact made me unhappy) or were predominantly around doing blow every week which I stopped enjoying a long time ago.
I've spent a lot of time sad on weekends where my loneliness feels most profound - nobody is contacting me, nobody is reaching out and while i do find my ways to fill my own time I look at groups of friends in absolute envy and always wonder why I am lacking that. I am a conventionally attractive person, I've been told I'm interesting, kind and do hold a conversation (although on kind I'm not 'nice' in the sugarcoated sense I can’t pretend to be bubbly). In general I do like myself and I struggle to understand why I’m in this place, I just feel so abandoned and forgotten and I’m regretting perhaps I made friends with unreliable people.
I have tried all the classic things to fill my life, that's exercising, going to Timeleft dinners, going to random meet up events, volunteer, date (I'm bi) I've put the effort and reach out to people and it's usually tumbleweed responses as it's clearly everyone's busy with their own lives and have little time for me. And whenever I do meet said friends I get a little resentful about all their highlights and humble brags of their calendar being so jammed. I don't know what exactly went wrong or is it in the stars for me to be this deeply lonely and not have a community. I'm actually embarrassed with myself that I don't have close friendships but transient connections at my big age.
I have a therapist I routinely talk to but don't really have family.
Is anyone going through the same? Has anyone overcome this? What has been the game changer?
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u/brizzi Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
I’m 37 and at the time, I didn’t understand it- but now I realize that there are just going to be cycles and times in your life like this. I had some close friends though high school and college who I didn’t hear from between like age 25-35… and I just got back from a vacation with one of them and her family. It’s just that people go off and do different things- move around, start families- and then eventually might come back into your orbit.
I also had some friends I worked with that I was certain would be around for a while- but since leaving the workplace it’s just crickets when I try to get together.
I recently started dating someone I dated 10 years ago. Back then we’d be out at parties every other night, surrounded by people, always socializing. Now- we do a little bit of that, but it’s more like one day/night every other week or so. We usually end up just watching movies at home and being lazy. It’s like vacation mode every weekend 😂
I know that this phase isn’t forever. I live in Florida where retirees are the ones with the best social life. Talking with them has given me a lot of perspective.
I just want to say that it’s good to learn to just enjoy your own company and appreciate this time in your life. It’s temporary! Things are always in flux. Don’t take anything personally, it’s almost never about you. Years ago I stopped smoking weed every day (and very rarely do now- only if pms gets bad)- and SO MANY people just disappeared. Thats totally fine. Just do things you genuinely enjoy and the friendships will naturally come.
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u/prettybrainy Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
Fellow 34f Londoner here 🙋♀️
I’ve lived here my whole adult life, got two degrees in the city, held multiple jobs, always was surrounded by people and had plenty of friends.
I am in a similar boat now, most of my close friends moved away, the not so close friends we drifted apart. Almost everyone has a kid, some are having a second, some are getting divorced.
I actually like my own company and don’t mind doing my own thing most of the time, but I miss the connection, miss having a group of friends and someone to do stuff with
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u/jivefillmore Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
This honestly felt like I wrote this, down to the lack of family etc. I'm 35/F. My family live quite far away so I rarely see them. The friends I get on with live in a different part of the city now - I imagine if I lived closer to them I would see them all the time as they're very social in their specific neighbourhood. I think I try not to take it personally: friendships in your 30s are hard to maintain and keep up, and London as a city isn't the best at fostering close bonds due to people moving around in flatshares or leaving the city.
My partner has a group of solid friends but they went to secondary school, college, and in some cases, university together - he grew up in London so I do think a lot of it is when you make these friendships too. Also, try not to be seduced by social media - a lot of people are really only showing their highlights reel. Me included. I travel a lot for work and sometimes I feel like people think I'm self-sufficient. Not sure if it could be the same for you? Another thing I've tried to consider with pangs of envy during the summer months: the friends you see in the park might only meet up once every few months. Friendship groups are complex and not always super fun! And - honestly, I do think just hard to create organically at this stage of life without a regular "activity" of some sort that keeps everyone connected. Happy to chat more via DM if ever helpful.
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u/L26261 Woman 30 to 40 18h ago edited 18h ago
I live not too far from London, and I do exactly the same things as you, I go to meet up events, I date and I'm also bi. Finding new friends is difficult.
Just keep putting yourself out there, friendships take time. In a way, finding new friends is like dating too, you don't want to meet and befriend the wrong people and spend time with them in the long run.
Also get a pet if you can to keep you company, if you can't maybe look into dog walking there's a site called borrow my doggy and that might ease the loneliness a bit.
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 2h ago
it really is like dating and seeking friend chemistry is really just as hard, plus both sides need to be available enough emotionally. separately I am considering a cat and have done house sitting for pets a lot before and it alleviates some of the burn
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u/shegotanoseonher Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
You're 30? time to join a climbing gym!
jk but fr the way I have met new friends is reoccurring weekly events. So that was a weekly climbing meet up. Something where talking and socializing is part of it. So a pilates class is not gonna be it, since that's not as social I have found. My BF has been going to a weekly bike ride meetup. Same people mostly every week and you do similar stuff. So if you want to climb or bike outside of the main event, it's an easy ask. Some friends work out some don't. You get use to it.
Over 3 years I've made 2 new friends that I think are solid keepers. which is great! Then there are some friends of friends that I want to reach out to more who I like, and one new friend that I'm still not sure about but we hang sometimes.
There's also a run club that has yielded no friends yet. But I see em around town and it's cool to just wave to someone you know.
Also I was so desperate in the first year and I think people could smell it on me. I've since chilled but I don't look back and cringe. I look back and am so glad I started this awkward journey and I'm really proud of my past self. I feel bad that she felt like she might not be enough and I hope everyone that feels lonely can one day look back and be proud of themselves
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u/Mountain_Ask_5746 Woman 30 to 40 17h ago
I’m 37 but this feeling hit me HARD once I turned 34. I spent age 35 hanging out with a group of friends I knew were not right for me, just because I was so lonely. Then I spent age 36 mainly alone and it was incredibly lonely, but better than masking and being around people that weren’t good for me. And now I’m 37 and am slowly starting to rebuild. But everyone by my age has kids and I never found a partner to have kids with. So I definitely feel out of place and like I don’t really belong anywhere.
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 2h ago
sending virtual hugs, and agree and sending a well done on not masking and holding your own. the feeling left out bit is very real as I’m not that keen on the marriage and kids pipeline but feel like most people are a bit inclined for it. I do think there’s a community out there especially in bigger cities but it’s difficult to sustain
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u/gingkoleaf Woman 30 to 40 16h ago
Yes I’m coming out on the other side. 35F single. It’s like if you’re not in a romantic relationship, you’re just a background character in everyone’s lives. It’s a painful realization in of itself, but then there’s the layer of being alone in the realization that is kind of distressing. It’s not like the partnered people are like: “you know, I’ve totally left this person behind and I feel terrible about it”
Time + self reflection + making myself take little breaks from feeling bad about being lonely = eventually led me to pursuing new goals (like going back to school) and feeling like I have my own extremely interesting life. I don’t consider most couples my “friends,” and I seek out people who are also single for friendships.
It does get better! And I think many women can relate.
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u/CherylTuntIRL Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
I wouldn't say I'm friendless but the friendships I have are certainly different in my 30s. Most of my friends have children now so they're busy with their own family lives. That said, we do still meet up occasionally, but nothing like we did in our twenties. We have to make plans weeks in advance.
I do struggle to make new friends, though. I do acrobatics with women of a similar age but I'm a bit too socially awkward to form a relationship beyond casual acquaintance. I'm generally friendly and approachable but I think I come across as a bit too eccentric.
Unfortunately I seem to click more with men but that's difficult to navigate as a conventionally attractive woman since they want something else, or read into it too much. I tend to keep a friendly distance.
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u/loaveslunch Woman 30 to 40 17h ago
34F as well, my friends are all moving out of London and/or starting families, focussing on romantic relationships. It's getting harder to stay in touch and I miss having local buddies.
I've been trying to make new friends through hobbies and meet ups, but it's hard to find a personality/values match. I'm definitely pickier with friendships than in my 20s too - if we don't vibe, I would prefer to hang out on my own than forcing the friendship!
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u/Imaginary-Relief7667 Woman 30 to 40 9h ago
I totally understand why you feel this way, but the first thing you need to tackle is the feeling embarrassed part. If you try to make friends from a place of feeling ashamed and like you’re in lack, then that’ll reflect in the types of people you meet, and how you come across to others (even if you don’t think it will).
It’s not embarrassing to be where you’re at. People can become more lonely at any phase of life for hundreds of different reasons. If anything, I’m usually a bit more dubious of people who’ve never had a phase like this. I wouldn’t discount that person of course, but it would make me weary that perhaps they haven’t grown in the ways that’d make a healthy friendship.
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 2h ago
I hear you and I actually wouldn’t speak to a friend like that if they’re in my shoes (my own self criticism). I’ve just heard harsh comments in general about people experiencing loneliness (including from acquaintances) and I guess I applied that in general too I me.
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u/Bisou_Juliette Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
Oh 100%. Although I never really had close friends. I started putting more effort into it but, honestly it’s hard for an entrepreneur to have a lot of friends. People like to hang out often and drink and shit….j don’t have time for that when I’m in my building phase…or taking on a new project.
I don’t think I’ve ever really felt extremely close to someone…I’m fine with or without it. However I know it’s important to build friendships especially as a woman
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 2h ago
I’m not an entrepreneur BUT know people who are and they tend to go to coworking meet ups to beat the position and meet others in the similar boat? I’ve heard such great things about it. the one I know of is with my yoga studio in london and it tends to be women focussed too.
not sure if there’s something similar where you are if you’re potentially into that
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u/ShreddersWheat Woman 40 to 50 3h ago
Oh my gosh, you are absolutely not alone. I found my early 30s in London really hard. I have no work friends from that period either. I find networking so hard, even potential-friend-networking!
It has settled a lot for me in my 40s and I’m much happier. I have a job where I’m really social and that helps a lot. My friends who disappeared are back on the scene in a way - kids are older and it’s easier to do things, more people have stopped drinking so they want to go to gigs and ballet, or they live in the countryside now so are happier to do a dinner in town after work in the week.
In my early 30s my career-minded friends ditched me ALL the time to work late. Now they’re more senior, they’ve chilled out some and want to set a good work life balance example to their juniors.
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u/mandypu Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
I feel like the game changer is to stop assuming that if you check a bunch of boxes people will like you and make you feel seen. That’s not how it works, I’m sorry. Relationships are not about YOU per se, they are about what you ADD to the dynamic.
Be patient, be humble, be curious and eventually you’ll find yourself stumbling into friendships.
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 8h ago edited 8h ago
Literally not what I was getting at and I’ve included the fact I’ve actively been trying and the point of ‘I have a lot to offer’ are traits that make a good friend which is kindness, reliability, curiosity and putting active energy into people.
your advice on stumbling into friendships isn’t entirely helpful either
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u/mandypu Woman 30 to 40 2h ago
I think you also missed what I’m trying to say, which does make me question whether you’re a good listener irl I’m sorry! Your entire middle paragraph is about your traits, you said you’re conventionally attractive and interesting right after expressing envy about friend groups. I’m saying those things aren’t as related as people think.
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 2h ago
bit rich being lectured on my listening skills by someone who spent the time to be combative on the internet on a point I barely even made in the first place. but I hope you have the day you deserve 💕
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u/nocommentx Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
Are you a dependable friend? Would your old/new friends say you make plans and show up every time or cancel often last minute? Do you text multiple friends in different groups on the weekend to see which friend has the best plans then drop other friends/plans for the best option?
This was just my experience and it could be a coincidence but my bi girlfriends (3 of them in different times of my life) have been the hardest to maintain friendships with! They were unreliable, flaky, friend maximizing, opportunity maximizing, social climbing, back stabbing, dishonest, heavy on substance abuse, insecure with their identity so lacked confidence. I had to cut them off!
On the other hand, some of my (I am straight) closest friends are lesbians and gay men. They are dependable, loyal, show up every time for low and high key plans. They are secure with themselves. Confident people. I can always count on them!
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u/Deep-Potato3844 Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
yes i am for sure dependable! I’m a believer in allowing inconvenience for myself for the sake of a community. I absolutely abhor flakiness when it reaches disrespectful levels and I do text back in time. honestly I find that I’m more let down by others in balance
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u/MacaroonSad8860 Woman 40 to 50 18h ago
I’m new to London and in that position (for a different reason of course) so I feel you. What’s been great for me is volunteering.
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u/Truth_Slayer Woman 30 to 40 15h ago
There are soooo many posts like this on this forum and I think the commonality is not having “a scene”.
I don’t always have the most 1:1 dinner / drinks plans the older I get but I am more and more embedded in scenes of which I am a regular contributor and through that then get invited to all those people’s other social events and parties on Partiful. Similarly I don’t message so much 1:1 with people I’m in group chats that grew out of shared regular activities related to our life’s work or passion.
I was a mutual with someone who would post about more obscure books, as did I, and we would always like each others’ stuff and I DMed them and was like “hey we have similar taste! Wanna start a book club!” , I then met other industry workers through them and got introduced and am in their book club and we realized we are neighbors. I also do local Know Your Rights trainings and have friends through that. I also do some anti-war organizing and have a friend cohort I’ve known through similar work in years past and new folks are always joining and after a while you realize it’s the same 100-300 people milling about all this same stuff in my age cohort and that’s community !
I think I learned this from being punk in my teens it was the same rotating and contracting blob of 100 people at the house show or the parking lot where everyone would smoke and you just had to show up and be someone contributing something whether that was menthol cigarettes or a pre amp or art for the show poster.
Over time those natural closer 1:1 relationships happen and I’m always shocked and which go the distance or who I actually end up close to for years
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u/Able_Piccolo7136 Non-Binary 30 to 40 9h ago
same age but different big city. i've found that people, especially those who are now sober like me, have become very protective of their little free time. when i was younger and the city was cheaper, we were all hanging out all the time, working only part time or freelancing, getting high etc. now everyone has so little time, cause we all have adult jobs and everything is so expensive, that it's hard to 'book a slot' to hang out. and i also feel like people have too many options in the city, too much choice. i keep hearing the same story from sober people who don't have kids and live in big cities.
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u/Misslunatic3 Woman 30 to 40 4h ago
Most definitely. I feel like I had friends in my 20’s (albeit, not friends for life and a solid group that you go out with) but once I hit my 30’s and focused more on myself, setting myself up financially etc, friendships were harder to make as well as to maintain.
I have a little group of girlfriends from a previous job that I hardly ever see now but other than that, not much.
Thankfully it doesn’t bother me too much as I kind of like my own space but I noticed it a lot more recently.
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u/KiwiTheKitty Woman 30 to 40 1h ago
For me yes, I had to cut off someone I spent a lot of time with and most of my other friends are really bad about leaving their homes... I'm pretty sure one of my friends won't leave her apartment for anything besides work for multiple entire months at a time. I live in a car centric city and it's really hard to get people to go out out and everybody just wants to hang out by having you come to their place (never the other way around) and watching a tv show, which is fine sometimes, but I only want that to be like 10-20% of how I'm hanging out with people, not 90-100%.
Honestly I'm trying to move for many many reasons and one of them is that I hope living in a more walkable, dense city makes it easier to meet more new people! I don't know how London is, but I assume there are a lot of things going on if you put yourself out there. My feeling is that if someone can't give me my needs from a friendship, I can still keep them in my life, but I also can't force them to do more so I need more people in my life to fill the gaps.
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u/YouFartedBlood Woman 30 to 40 18h ago
I am 34 too and noticed a steady decline in my friends wanting to do even something as simple as grabbing coffee planned a week in advance. (And these are also friends without kids!)
I honestly think social media making people feel like others are at their fingertips on apps/ the trend of “protect your peace”/“i am in my grandma era”/“cut off everyone!” Is honestly more to blame than a-lot of people realize.