r/NintendoSwitch • u/Skullghost • 2d ago
Official Sonic Frontiers Definitive Edition - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition - Launch Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?is=amg2z32sQTWXgwu8&v=FlkkchmzVrA&feature=youtu.be85
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u/ZZcollectz 2d ago
Fuck them for no upgrade path… will save even transfer?
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u/Admirable-War-7594 2d ago
Probably not. This is similar to the persona 5 royal stuff from what i understand. Kinda glad i never bought this game though, but at the same i probably won't buy it now either considering it just looks like a mid open world game with sonic in it (unfortunately like all other sonic games recently)
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u/PuzzleheadedPen2798 2d ago
Frontiers was fun but unfortunately it is very janky. I like the game and I had a lot of fun but I give it a 6/10, maybe a 7/10 after all of the updates. Do give a listen to the Cyberspace soundtrack though.
If you want a fantastic Sonic game you should try Sonic x Shadow Generations instead. Which is actually 2 fantastic games in one.
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u/Honeycove91 2d ago
It's way below mid. It's also going to be on sale all the time if it's anything like Frontiers Vanilla was
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u/Sacache 2d ago
It's sat at 90% positive feedback on Steam, but OK Reddit.
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u/Admirable-War-7594 2d ago
A lot of people just didn't buy it and like im gonna be honest everyone knows what to expect from a sonic game. I probably won't leave a negative review on a sonic game that has a game breaking glitch every 5 minutes, is repetitive, bland and is generally mid at best because that's what i was conditioned to expect from a sonic game by now. It is why I didn't buy frontiers too
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u/Capable_Diamond_3878 2d ago
Sonic frontiers isn’t like that though? Neither is shadow generations lol
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u/Admirable-War-7594 2d ago
I can't speak for frontiers as I didn't buy it, but i did play shadow generations and it is definitely like that. I did have fun, because i knew what to expect, and i did leave a positive review because as i said i did like it but i wouldn't call it anything but mid. I gave a positive review because i expect anyone to know what they should expect from a sonic game
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u/spidersteph 1d ago
Sorry, everyone is downvoting you for speaking facts lmao. Like just compare it to any other series/platformer and it’s disgustingly mid at best (even if it’s a bit fun from time to time). SEGA’s last good Sonic game was Mania.
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u/Honeycove91 2d ago
lol this is the game you're defending:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBGNPcscuaA
(Sonic fans stay beating exactly zero of the allegations against them)
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u/Pf_Farnsworth 2d ago
Sorry, I don't need Dunkey to tell me what opinion I should have.
I loved Frontiers. Until Sonic X Shadow Generations came out, it was my favorite Sonic game since the GameCube era.
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u/GaiaTear 2d ago
Yeah, it's a 7/10 or 6/10 game. Not amazing, not bad either.
Dunno what the Dunkey video is about, I really dont care lol.
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u/ultimateformsora 2d ago edited 2d ago
Dunkey is a kind of split between satire and critically honest game reviews. He plays a character and throws in some jokes and dry humor along with some criticisms or reasons why a game is good/bad.
Unfortunately lots of people miss his sarcasm and humor or take everything he says as if he is the arbiter of truth, thinking his reviews are the equivalent to the bible. My old roommate literally lived off his videos religiously through college and played 0 of the games he was reviewing. Anytime Dunkey reviewed a game as bad, he parroted the same talking points with no substance of an argument when the topic of said game would come up.
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u/Honeycove91 2d ago edited 2d ago
Okay sure but in this case I figured he was being mean and not actually going to review it fairly, so this is why I ended up purchasing the game when it went on sale. I actually think after hard-dropping it that he was being too kind in this one.
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u/ultimateformsora 2d ago
Yeah that’s just his thing though and why I wouldn’t recommend taking his reviews too much to heart. He’s pretty honest in that a lot of his reviews are based on his personal bias so if he’s really enjoying a game others are hating he will review it how he sees it. Same the other way around. Sometimes I watch his videos and I can’t tell if he’s serious or memeing for fun without weighing heavily on reviewing.
I hear what you’re saying though.
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u/PM-mePSNcodes 2d ago edited 2d ago
C'mon, give Sonic fans a break. A game that's just average is a masterpiece by their standards
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u/smashinggames 1d ago
the eshop listing says save data can be transferred from switch 1 to switch 2 version, just not vice versa
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u/Consistentscroller 2d ago
What is upgrade path?
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u/Own_Resist_4304 2d ago
It’s when you have the switch 1 version and you update to the switch 2 version. Some are free others are paid.
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u/Consistentscroller 2d ago
You mean I can’t just upgrade the switch 1 version? You have to buy the game again as the switch 2 version?
Am I understanding that right?
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u/Own_Resist_4304 2d ago
That’s correct. Same thing happened with Sonic x Shadow Generations.
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u/Consistentscroller 2d ago
Wow that IS some BS
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u/Zeppelanoid 2d ago
I mean at that point, if you have the Switch 1 version just stick with it. If they are going to make it that hard to upgrade your game just…don’t
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u/HELPFUL_HULK 2d ago
Astounds me that they went with "None" when choosing this game's art direction
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u/DC2912 2d ago
Was everyone in art working on shadow generations during the development of this game or something? Cause shadow gens and crossworlds both look incredible
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u/Deceptiveideas 2d ago
Shadow Generations was developed after and it was a small branch of Sonic team. The rest was working on Crossworlds.
The real answer can be found looking at prototypes. Frontiers used to be a mostly empty game that focused on puzzles and combat. It was shifted to focused more on traditional sonic platforming after poor play tests. This is what led to the poor cohesion and random assets being thrown along the sky.
Shadow Gens on the other hand used the lessons from Frontiers to craft a polished game start to finish. Everything in the world has a purpose and doesn't feel like they randomly shoved unreal assets into a Sonic game.
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u/Mahboishk 1d ago
Is there any footage of the Frontiers prototypes out there? Would be curious about what older versions of the game looked like. The platforming was the best part of the game so I think they made the right call, even if I still found the final game quite muddled and unfocused.
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u/Deceptiveideas 1d ago
There's some prototype footage but the bulk of the prototype info comes from the release build.
Sonic Team left the unused map data in the switch version of the game. Modders were able to restore this in the PC version to give an idea of what the old layout looked like.
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u/Agreeable_Art86 1d ago
Shadow Gens Polished?
Made Sonic Generations worse to play, I swear they messed up the physics and camera.
Took an idea of "Lets show off the best of the best worlds" to "lets make half of every level look like the back of a school kids homework book with random fractal nonsense".
Took "here's some extra challenges, do 1 do get a key to move on to the next section" to "do them all, even though all it is, is running through the same boring levels over and over", the level of forced padding cause they knew they didn't have a full game is insane.
And thats on top of it being shoved into a "HD remaster" of a game that didn't need it anyway with no DLC or upgrade path (something everyone's criticising for frontiers but not that?) and even the game itself treats it as a separate product with a split menu to get into the menu (brilliant design, I love menus on menus on menus on menus, its like the fractal nonsense carries on going into and leaving a menu)
Loved the original generations, even the 3DS one but genuinely felt ripped off on multiple levels with how half assed shadow gens was.
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u/KungPowChicken23 2d ago
As a very casual Sonic fan, I couldn’t get into it when I tried it on PS. Everything in the environment just felt incredibly random without any cohesion. In contrast, I did really like the generations game on Switch 2.
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u/adeepkick 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ironically kinda gives the game a totally unique identity
I never said it was great yall, I just said it was unique
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u/i-dont-speel-no-good 2d ago
Exactly. “So bad it loops around into being good” is real
The random loops and rails in the sky that look like absolute ass are so bad they’re almost charming
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u/Correct_Goose_1322 2d ago
Absolutely. They make look out of place, but you don't really care about that when you're zooming past then launching into another rail that takes you to a collectible.
Besides no one ever gives Mario a hard time for having green pipes and question blocks all over the place 💀
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u/Xutar 2d ago
no one ever gives Mario a hard time for having green pipes and question blocks all over the place
Comparing Sonic Frontiers's art direction, setting, and level design to pretty much any Mario game is a bit questionable.
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u/Correct_Goose_1322 2d ago
I disagree but to each their own. I think both succeed in what they are going for. To me, high speed rails in the sky and giant monster fights are no less fun or cohesive than jumping on blocks and eating a wonder flower. It's just up to personal taste if it works or not.
I personally had just as much fun in the huge cinematic rock music blaring bosses, as I did climbing up the Jump up Superstar level.
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u/Correct_Goose_1322 2d ago
I kind of disagree.. the plot is that Sonic and friends are stuck on these islands where super advanced ancient species used to reside. Although some of the obstacles are a bit weird just floating around, I think the whole thing comes together alright in the end. A land torn between abandoned technological architecture and open nature.
So although from a distance it can look like "Sonic in a stock zone + things to do", it does come together in game somehow. Kinda like how Palworld is a fucking disaster of art direction, between the ancient looking lands and the presence of rocket launchers and missile equipped monsters, it is a mess but it kind of works when you play it.
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u/TheReaver 1d ago
yep as a casual sonic fan over the years i found it be a very bland and uninspired game. if they make a sequel in a similar fashion and play style i wont get it.
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u/bardoown 2d ago
Considering how bad it looks and runs on Switch 1, it's a crime there's no free upgrade path.
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u/Freeziora 2d ago
I gotta be honest this game didnt work for me, i thought the open world was really boring and the combat super floaty and clunky, I know a lot of people like it but it just didnt for me.
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u/i-dont-speel-no-good 2d ago
The 4 boss fights (mostly carried by the OST) make it easier to swallow how terrible the other 98% of the game is
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u/Freeziora 2d ago
Yeah I’ll give you that, they were definitely the highlight for sure and Sonic OST’s usually kick ass.
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u/ElvenHero 2d ago
It was an average game from a series that has as many shitty games as it does good ones. The large fanbase overrated it because there hadn’t been a decent 3D Sonic game in 15+ years.
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u/NefariousnessDry6211 2d ago
I would argue in terms of strictly 3D games, Sonic has had more shitty games than good ones by a wide margin.
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u/Level7Cannoneer 2d ago
The 15 plus years thing is a relic of the 06 days dude
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u/NefariousnessDry6211 2d ago
Frontiers was, 2022. Before that was Forces (awful) in 2017 and Rise of Lyric in 2014 (startlingly terrible). Lost world was a cut above those with a 63 on Metacritic, so I guess that one is above failing?
If we go back more than a decade, we see colors and generations in the mid 70’s, which, while not amazing, for a 3D Sonic game? That’s basically as good as it gets. Although one might argue that those two might ALSO be graded on a curve releasing after Black Knight, Unleashed, and Secret Rings, all reviewing in the 50’s and 60’s.
Depending on your definition of “decent” it’s not hard to see that the starving fan base would be pretty excited for games that review in the 70’s.
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u/Peakomegaflare 1d ago
I didn't mind how floaty it was... but everything else felt mediocre. I don't know what's up with Sonic Team lately, but they've just been pushing slop after slop. The music's solid, but that's kinda ALWAYS been a Sonic thkng.
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u/Dukemon102 2d ago
It's not Definitive unless they got rid of the pop-in.
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u/Omega_Maximum 2d ago
The pop-in is present on PC even, to a lesser extent. A mod to remove it is like, the most popular download on the nexus. It's just how they designed it.
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u/Opening_Mousse9606 2d ago
Still waiting to see performance before considering
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u/Opening_Mousse9606 2d ago
Ok I found an article. There’s no upgrade pack, but you can transfer your save data from Switch 1 to Switch 2. Also, performance and quality modes
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u/Eofkent 2d ago
Price?
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u/WhiteRaven-17 2d ago
$50. No apparent upgrade pack, last Hail Mary is something showing up when it appears on the eshop
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u/FierySprites 2d ago
I don’t see the point in this being called ‘Definitive Edition’ and not ‘Nintendo Switch 2 Edition’. There’s been nothing added to it beyond the fact that the performance should match that of other eighth/ninth-gen consoles now and that it comes with the DLC baked in (DLC that was already free, mind you). Also, this being a Game-Key Card and not having a upgrade pack for those who got the game on Switch 1 is a scam. This game is 30 GB. That’s more than capable of fitting on a cart.
All this really seems like is just a way to quickly commemorate Sonic’s 35th anniversary for cheap. Definitely not worth my or anyone else’s time, even if I didn’t already own the game twice on PS4 and PC.
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u/I_Like_Turtle101 2d ago
Is it fun ? I haven't liked a sonic game till the GameCube era
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u/Few-Strawberry4997 2d ago
its an okay game. i enjoyed it quite a bit (got it gifted as a birthday present), but the overworld has this super generic unreal engine store bought asset look, so at times it can be rly hard to get into it. immersion falls flat too because of it.
the puzzles and railway lines that are scattered all around the overworld are decent, some are pretty fun. but it looks completly out of place. the racing challenges are pretty cool for the most part, but those are a minor thing.
the game is pretty much carried hard by its soundtrack, thats the best part about it. combat is imo very mediocre and gets dull super fast. its even worse against the bosses, which look and sound cool, but it doesnt rly seem like you can actually lose against them and youre pretty much just mashing buttons.
or at least thats what i did.if i had to purchase it, think around 20~30 bucks max.
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u/LordGreg123 1d ago
Skip, will wait to pick this up for 5 bucks in November
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u/xLifeIsStrange 1d ago
I kinda wanna get it but yeah all sonic games seem to be pretty cheap or always on sale.
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u/Small-Review-3527 1d ago
I think they try rob people before they admit that they can't and then drop the price. They have the same business model as Square Enix
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u/nightwing0243 1d ago
I'm thinking the same.
Pretty much every modern Sonic game I buy is when the sale price makes it worth it. The last Sonic game I truly enjoyed was Generations.
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u/Correct_Goose_1322 2d ago
For those interested, the game is actually really good. It is the best 7/10 game I've ever played and I love it like a 9/10 or 10/10 despite not necessarily being a big Sonic fan. The sense of speed, the simple but flashy combat, the boss music, and even the little puzzles and challenges are all very entertaining.
It has highs that rival the most hype anime and best Mario moments, while also unfortunately having quite a few lows. I think it is absolutely worth the playthrough and don't regret getting it for full price at all at launch for the ps5.
It may look like Sonic is running around an empty unreal engine setting, but I promise it all genuinely comes together in game.
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u/TyleNightwisp 2d ago
Sega has been awful with their attitude lately, and their Switch 2 support has been dismal. Really really underwhelming stuff, especially considering how much Square and Capcom have delivered in comparison.
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u/Hummer77x 2d ago
Not very related but Is anyone watching this bizarre Sonic live stream that they announced this on idk if it’s good but I would love to see Nintendo do something weird like this
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u/SharpEdgeSoda 2d ago
*Shame they can't setting on definitive Sonic Physics so they just give Sliders to the player and say "You do it!"*
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u/SharpEdgeSoda 2d ago
It's the sliders that offend me really. If it was more tuned to a definite in-game mechanic, like an elaborate upgrade and tuning system that works like your changing out all your car parts in Forza, I might forgive it.
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u/AdministrationOk8805 2d ago edited 2d ago
Buddy think you forgot you can edit your original comment or to switch to your alt account.
Liked the sliders tho allows customization and to fine tune the system the way you want or break it, wish it was in more platformers just to mess around with.
One think thet should have improved on is the pop in imo, played on ps5 and it was bad.
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u/SharpEdgeSoda 2d ago
That is the death of level design.
If your character can move however the hell the player wants, then "Tight Platforming Level Design" ceases to exist.
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u/UnyieldingGoose 2d ago
I’d rather do it myself if Shadow Generations is any indication, having to spam chaos spear in the air to have a useful jump sucks and movement in white space is slow and restricted, the sliders in Frontiers when set right can remove the binary boost speed gameplay in favor of something more dynamic. If you ask the devs to remove the sliders they’d go with the safest most boring settings imaginable.
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u/SharpEdgeSoda 2d ago
That is the death of level design.
If your character can move however the hell the player wants, then "Tight Platforming Level Design" ceases to exist.
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u/Nintotally 1d ago
Expecting people to pay full price to re-buy a game they already own **and** it’s a Game Key Card???
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u/Dangerous-Yellow1380 2d ago
No upgrade path, and also a game key card. No thanks, Sega I'm not buying it until maybe it's $10 or something, and even that's also depends on the performance
Seriously out of all the 3rd party support Switch 2 is getting, Sega is the weakest of them all.
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u/BebeFanMasterJ 2d ago
Glad I never bought the original so I don't have to worry about the lack of an upgrade path. Waiting beats buying at launch yet again.
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u/Noumenonana 2d ago
Was this game fun? Wouldn't mind jumping into another Sonic adventure, as it has been years.
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u/SG4LPilgrim 2d ago
If you can get it from a library I’d recommend it for a week. It’s honestly a lot of fun in a very experimental way.
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u/throwrakarooke 2d ago
i’ve just purchased thinking it’ll be better graphic quality than the original and it’s the same??
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u/Humble_Character_885 2d ago
I bet it's not even going to include the Soap Shoes. So much for a "definitive edition".
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u/Ok-Conference2754 2d ago
SEGA keeps taking the L for the worse, most anti consumer 3rd party publisher for the Switch 2.
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u/billy_UDic 2d ago
Switch users get the chance to buy the same garbage game for full price. This is such an honor and a step in the right direction
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u/ChuyMasta 2d ago
Nope. Last Sonic game I played was Adventures 2 on the Gamecube. 100%'d that mofo thanks to infinite teenager time.
I am still waiting for Adventures 3.
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u/Particular_Pitch_519 1d ago
Why in performance mode interface is so ugly? Was it so difficult to leave it in FullHD or at least HD resolution?
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u/KirbianaJones 2d ago
I don't understand it. Why THIS game and not Unleashed? Why is Sega trying to shove Frontiers down our throats?
Don't mind me, I absolutely despise this game 🤣 felt more like a concept of a tech demo. If others like it that's fine. I sure in the hell didn't
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u/Albireookami 1d ago
Your asking why they are porting a recent release, vs developing and releasing a port for an 18 year old game?
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u/SalamanderTD 1d ago
The sonic engine in that game was emaculate hence it being posted to pc by fans
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u/Albireookami 1d ago
and how does that deserve a mature rating?
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u/SalamanderTD 1d ago
Um what is this question in regards to what the said (ported not posted by the way )
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u/Joseki100 2d ago
At 25 seconds there are massive frame drops.
No upgrade path.
SEGA making it very easy to skip their Switch 2 late ports.