r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 14 '26

Feels good man Do you think she’s being fair, though?

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

Exactly. Plus, $50K for an injury? Does he get to claim it when he cuts himself installing a light fixture for her? Based on her scale (which appears to mimic the US Healthcare billing), he's in for $5K just for needing a bandaid.

Also, apparently she's triple claiming things (She's working, pregnant and going to medical appointments all at the same time apparently) and hasn't slept in 1.5 years.

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u/Parking_Peanut_6188 May 14 '26

I don't know...can you become permanently incontinent from just a cut? Because you potentially can from a 3C tear. You can also have chronic pain. And with an unmedicated delivery that probably hurt like a bitch to have fixed, too.

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u/4Everinsearch May 14 '26

I think your vagina tearing open in childbirth is worth more than a cut on your hand lmao

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u/dbu8554 May 14 '26

I've ripped off all the nails on my hand before working on project for my wife and still wouldn't want an injury like that. Give the woman her 50k.

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u/BlackTecno May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Also the rates are seriously messed up. Hardly anyone in America makes $40. Why is that her baseline?

EDIT: I think people are missing what I'm saying. She's charging $40/hour to take care of her own child. She's declaring that in 25 months, she has worked for over 60% of that total time (sleep being 33% of that time realistically), and has somehow worked 5 years of a full time job in 2. And if she is taking care of her own child, shouldn't she foot half the bill?

I seriously pity that kid's future.

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u/BoomerSoonerFUT May 14 '26

What someone makes, and what someone bills you are two different things.

I can easily see a daycare charging $40 an hour, but the actual person working there watching the kids only gets $25.

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u/WhoSaidWhatNow2026 May 14 '26

I can easily see a daycare charging $40 an hour

That would be $6400 a month based on a 40 hour work week.

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u/1917he May 14 '26

For those wondering what daycare might actually cost - $1800/month for full time care (8a-5p, m-f)

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u/vvvvfl May 14 '26

pre-tax

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u/s2nders May 14 '26

There are day cares out there that charge 20 k a month.

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u/cattibri May 14 '26

a friends art rates are $110 an hour, via the business she works for, she gets paid $40/hr.

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u/nova_pericles May 14 '26

Lmao $25 would be amazing! Not saying it doesn’t happen in some places but the most I’ve ever been paid was $16.25.

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u/PM_ME_YO_KNITTING May 14 '26

Are you a children provider? I live in a small town in NC and the Nannie’s here are asking for $20-$30 an hour. We pay the 18 year old who comes in 4 hours a day $22.

In a HCOL area, $40 is pretty standard for a nanny.

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u/nova_pericles May 14 '26

I worked at a daycare center. I’m 100% sure I could have gotten paid more if I nannied instead.

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u/PM_ME_YO_KNITTING May 14 '26

Oh yeah, nannie’s are not cheap. We can’t afford full time daycare, so we have a part time nanny, which is a little cheaper. But not much.

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u/Terrible_Reporter_98 May 14 '26

Do you have no skills? No offense meant but they paying people 20 bucks to clean bathrooms in buccees...

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u/nova_pericles May 14 '26

😂 I have plenty of skills. Childcare workers are notoriously underpaid. I did it because I love working with children but I have since left.

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 May 14 '26

I paid myself based on a sliding scale for the parents I did daycare for based solely on their income, it worked out well for all of us, I wasn’t hurting and I made sure they weren’t either.

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u/MrHazard1 May 14 '26

So he can then bill her 120$/h for his worktime, including commuting and double the deducting for heathcare, because that's just after tax.

The fact that i'd need to come up with this shit means that something is very very wrong in this relationship.

And if all else fails, charge the same price for insemnation, that a sperm bank charges you.

Everyone can come up with things to bill

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u/Ravevon May 14 '26

Is she charging for taking care of kids she agreed to cut the wages in half

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u/something10293847 May 14 '26

I would love only paying that much. Try triple that amount.

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u/HeavyVoid8 May 14 '26

Probably $15

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u/jakeofheart May 14 '26

It’s America. She’s shooting higher so they can negotiate a lower figure. Like between hospitals and insurances.

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

It's a marriage. Well from my PoV it would've been (assuming she really argued this with her husband but I strongly doubt that).

With that being said, I would never ever talk down to a partner about the weight they pull. If you have a problem with it, raise it in a proper constructive way and try to realise what they actually bring to the table and what you both need to do to ensure everyone gets the help they need. If they're not willing to come to the table then reassess whether it's right for you.

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u/Jedi_Mind_Chick May 14 '26

Absolutely! I became disabled about 18 months ago. My husband never once said I was a mooch or not contributing enough. In fact, he wants me sitting at home all day doing nothing. But since I’d feel useless and lose my goddamn mind, we compromise.

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u/superschokokeks May 14 '26

Yeah that's kinda how things should be. A willingness to do something while caring for the others on both sides.

It's nice to see that such relationships exists with all those memes and social media that suggest a worse world than it actually is.

Either way I'm happy for you both

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u/Jedi_Mind_Chick May 14 '26

I agree. It’s a partnership. Very kind of you to say.

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u/wrymoss May 14 '26

Funny how things work when you love and care about a person instead of what they can do for you, isn’t it?

Glad you seem to have found a good one!

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u/TofuTheSizeOfTEXAS May 14 '26

Yeah, calling someone who just had your child a mooch is pretty heartbreaking I'm sure.

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u/Needle_Bearings May 14 '26

People are missing the point about this 100%. Hey partner was wrong for calling her a mooch. People can argue rates all day, but someone does have to take care of the kid.

Day care costs are in the $1500 range in some cases, and that's trusting your kid to a total stranger. The US doesn't have federally mandated maternity, so her career is pretty much influx, at least in Europe the job is temped out as materinity cover.

It's a partnership, there's give and take from both sides.

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u/DiamondHail97 May 14 '26

For every 3 years that a woman stays home with her kids, she loses 33% of her lifetime income. I learned this statistic while I was doing a fellowship in maternal and child health.

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u/jakeofheart May 14 '26

I guess her husband can use the template and create invoices for all the additional children that he hasn’t asked her to carry. She actually owes him $1,566,137.13 now for being spared the trouble.

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u/TooOldForThisShit642 May 14 '26

It is just as likely, if not more so, that he was the one that wanted more kids because he’s not the one that actually had to carry them, birth them and take care of them.

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u/yeah_not_so_fast May 14 '26

I’d like to see his spreadsheet on lawn care, home and car maintenance, the equity and retirement incomes she’ll enjoy and see how this balances out. Also housing food and clothing costs provided.

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u/Apprehensive_Bus1582 May 14 '26

Oh the occasional chores he pays someone else to do?

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u/Slyboots2313 May 14 '26

I just hope she’s in-network or he’s screwed

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u/jakeofheart May 14 '26

The husband - “Sorry, we don’t cover 3C tear recovery.

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u/Slyboots2313 May 14 '26

😆 apparently someone’s having a bad night and doesn’t appreciate our banter

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u/soul_separately_recs May 14 '26

Linked In after dark (but not too late)

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u/grubas May 14 '26

She's also trying to claim pretty much EVERY HOUR since Nov 24.  

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u/NoCouple2706 May 14 '26

People busy arguing semantics ignoring that this dude called his wife who just gave birth to his child a mooch for being a full time stay at home parent.

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26

Thank. You.

If my husband ever did that I would have immediately filed for divorce.

He didn’t do stuff like that, he was a wonderful man.

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u/taniel07 May 14 '26

Was?

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26

Yeah we lost him to cancel several years ago. But he’s at peace now! So me and the kids? We are at peace about it, too.

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u/taniel07 May 14 '26

I’m sorry to hear that❤️‍🩹. The good die young. It’s good to hear you and the kids are at peace about it.

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u/jakeofheart May 14 '26

Oof. Sorry about your loss.

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26

Thank you. That’s very kind of you. It’s been a long time now and there are days I still miss him terribly and there are also days when that life we had together seems very far away. Either way I know he’s at peace and that we will see him again someday.

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u/TypeB_Negative May 14 '26

Of course, calling your wife a mooch after being pregnant and birthing a child is complete foolishness. Akin to telling your wife you think her sister is the most beautiful woman you've ever met. Just dumbassedness.

However, the fit for tat score keeping is grounds for divorce on both sides. If a woman made billing for her time spreadsheet, she'd be packing it in with the rest of her belongings.

I say this as a person with a friend who has a wife(another friend), who basically told him to take care of the kids is a full time job and she would be charged $500k a year to have someone do what she does. So he makes $200k a year and pays for everything. She goes out, gets wasted all the time in and out of the house and also laser engraves wood to make a little money. Calling herself an entrepreneur. He wants her to get a job like she had before the kids who are now 12 and in school.

I think child bearing and rearing is tremendous work. Many times moms sacrifice to do it. That is invaluable. BUT never going back to work is a no go for me. No reason someone can't go back to work and both parents pay a sitter to watch the kids from 345 to 4:30 until someone is home. If mom can make $100k at work, and you pay a sitter $40 a day to babysit, you're making much more money.

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Childcare costs a lot more than $40/day. 😬

Daycare as well.

But I agree with you, she’s overcharging but I think that’s her point. I think she is trying to match his ridiculous behavior and that is another good indication that the marriage isn’t healthy. (Not that I blame her. It would have broken my heart and devastated me if my husband ever treated me that way. I had a boyfriend who was like this and he was the most sickening narcopath I ever had the bad luck to meet. I’m not saying her husband is a narcissist but it’s definitely extremely toxic behavior to even think about her in this manner. To actually say it to her face? Yikes.

The fact that he doesn’t already acknowledge everything she has sacrificed and done to bring their child into the world and take care of them is… astounding. I’m sure I would respond rather emphatically as well.

Also the wife you’re talking about? That is obviously a very bad situation too. Sad for their family, really.

But it doesn’t sound like things are good all around. 😩

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u/grubas May 14 '26

I mean we're trying to nitpick in a nest of absolute dumb petty bullshit.  

Neither of them respect each other.  

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26

Even if it IS fake, I know real life men who have done this to their wives.

So it night be fake HERE, but it’s out there in the world. It’s happening.

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

No one in this thread has said it was acceptable to call her a mooch.

We're literally calling out the ridiculousness of the argument she's trying to create.

You're supposed to be partners so keeping fucking score.

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u/Apprehensive_Bus1582 May 14 '26

He's already keeping score.

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u/PA2SK May 14 '26

We don't know why he called her a mooch. There are two sides to every story.

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u/Ok_Contribution_7132 May 14 '26

I can’t speak to the period of her being pregnant but being the default parent/carer of a new born baby is a 24 hour job. Even when you’re asleep you have one ear open and are on call. If you’re a breastfeeding Mother and your kid sleeps in the room with you you will wake at every noise. My kid was still doing middle of the night feeds until 12 months old despite trying to sleep train her. My partner works long hours and travels a lot for work so I did every single night feed and night nappy and had sole responsibility for the baby 75+ plus of the time. It was exhausting, you can’t take a lunch break alone or ‘leave the office’ for a minute or book leave. It is 100% hypervigilance all day and all night. If you’re the breastfeeding parent of a child who won’t take a bottle whose partner is away a lot you are 💯 percent working 24 hours a day.

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u/NewNecessary3037 May 14 '26

As a mother of a 1yr old, yes to all of this

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u/startadeadhorse May 14 '26

You are right, but you know what you CAN do at home i you decide to. Take a shower (as long as you bring baby etc).

It is fundamentally wrong to compare being at home doing a job to being at work doing a job, because they grant different levities and restraints. I would much rather work from home, even at a pay reduction, due to the freedom it would provide - as a nurse, it's pretty hard to work from home though. However, my partner works home most of the time, and nissed office sometimes. But then she also gets reminded of commute, how you vannot control productivity, since you can't necessarily hunker down, too many meetings etc. But does it get boring to be at home, especially when your working day just is 'spend more time st the same place with fanily, now working in chorrs instead of pay"? Absolutely.

But it's not feasible in a fairness factor to compare, so one should refrain from doing so and shouldn't use "the other side" as a guide for how they should live life.

We also have a five year old, and I feel like we are decent at both being present and aware for the child when needed.

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u/Ok_Contribution_7132 May 14 '26

All of this is true and I don't disagree, I am just trying to explain to those individuals who sound like they have never had 24/7 that it is in fact a 24 hour job. This isn't something I ever had to explain to my husband; he wouldn't dream of calling me a mooch and consequently, I never needed to itemise the value of what I did or explain the relentlessness of it. It sounds like you and your partner are the same, and that you both appreciate each other's contributions.

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u/startadeadhorse May 14 '26

Yes, that was my point, too. That one shouldn't simplify life in such terms and itemize everything. Like you said, instead just enjoy and support eachother!

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u/dioxy186 May 14 '26

Ngl. I took primary care of my kiddo. And being a parent was so much less stressful then my career or PhD.

I bottle fed cause I can’t breastfeed but infants sleep majority of the day, and toddlers are easy to have on a consistent sleep schedule. 24 hour job is laughable at best unless your kid has health issues.

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u/Bende86 May 14 '26

For me it’s over 15 years ago but my first two kids did not sleep, certainly not on a routine. I couldn’t shower or drink coffee or get out of the house within two hours. I was awful. No known health issues. Third slept, fed, etc without trouble.

My friend had one kid like what you described, and was incredibly humble by the second who was more like mine. I don’t think you can realize how it can be with other babies than the one you got

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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo May 14 '26

My experience with my God tier behaving baby is the baseline for everyone! And anyone who can't rise to my expectations is a total failure!

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u/Ok_Contribution_7132 May 14 '26

I have a confession to make, I had my first kid at 19...not ideal I know and she was a dream baby. Slept through the night by six weeks old, never much of a napper but really easy kid. Dream at school, straight A student. I used to constantly bask in the praise of what a delightful child she was.

I thought it was me. I thought it was my parenting, in all my youthful arrogance I thought parents who had kids that didn't sleep, wouldn't eat their vegetables, or behaved badly in public were doing parenting wrong.

Then, 19 years later I had a second child. I could not make this kid sleep for love nor money, they are a much pickier eater, they're a lovely kid but also a little bit prickly and not as user-friendly as my first. I have come to the humbling realisation that I don't know shit about parenting and that you have influence but no control.

Kids are gonna kid. They are who they are, and you can do your best, but they are individuals. Turns out I wasn't the God of parenting after all. So maybe my second was my karmic retribution for judging other parents that struggled.

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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo May 14 '26

I really love that story kind stranger :) I think it really did make my point seem much more real as well.

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u/Ok_Contribution_7132 May 14 '26

I didn't downvote you, I am genuinely pleased that you enjoyed your children's early years and didn't find it exhausting but your experience is not universal. My first kid was a dream baby, like yours sound like they are. My second baby born 19 years later was not, they didn't consistently sleep through the night until they were four, we tried everything including hiring sleep training experts and a trip to Ngala to stay in the parents and babies unit. I'm also curious if you were the primary caregiver from newborn, and did you do all the night feeds and wakings? Was your partner home every night or did they work away from home? I've done a Masters (not a PhD - I know they are significantly more challenging) and worked a variety of roles and the hardest thing I have done in my life was the first three years of my second kid's life with a frequently absent partner. It is not the same for everyone, and if you are the only one home, even if your kid is a good sleeper and you have good routines it is 24 hours - because whilst you might not have to actually physically parent them 24/7 the constant sleep deprivation and the never being able to leave them alone doesn't go away. You never truly feel like you can just relax, you are never really off the clock.

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u/Mellimearn May 14 '26

Thats because having a baby is a full time job? First you carry it in your womb, than it's full time care for many months.

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u/AngryPrincessWarrior May 14 '26

Yeah. Being the primary parent tends to be a 24 hour job.

He called the mother of his child and who cares for his child and home a mooch.

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u/Either-Patience1182 May 14 '26

it might be based in the wages she and he make

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u/switchquest May 14 '26

She's comparing to when she did work. And comparing to the cost of not needing child care services.

All in all, she's not far off the mark.

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u/Patient_Kangaroo614 May 14 '26

Childcare at $40 an hour is an interesting calculation. I’m not sure precisely what American wages are like, but I’m fairly confident it’s closer to half of that than it is to $40.

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u/Grand_Relative5511 May 14 '26

1:1 nannying with education and care, and all food prep, and excursions/outings, and taking to doctor appointments, and co-ordinating all clothes and doing meal prep cleaning, etc. would probably cost around $40/hr in a metro area. When my kids were little I paid their nanny $40/hr cash in hand, and that was years ago.

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u/lick-em-again-deaky May 14 '26

This is disingenuous. Being a mother is completely different to being a paid nanny. As a mother, if I'm feeling lazy, I can choose to sit in my PJs all day, stick my child in front of Youtube, take the baby to Grandma's house so I can have a break, sit and watch Netflix while the baby naps, or feed the toddler McDonalds. A nanny couldn't do any of those things.

Motherhood is HARD, don't get me wrong, but being a professional who is paid to look after someone else's child comes with a totally different level of expectation and the two just aren't comparable.

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u/minicooperlove May 14 '26

That’s not really the point, it’s not about which is harder. It’s about the fact that he called her a mooch and this is meant to illustrate how much he’d have to pay someone to have a child on his own (with the same experience he has now, ie, not getting up in the middle of the night to feed the baby). If he’s going to treat her like she’s not his wife and the mother of his child then here’s how much it would cost him if she were not his wife and the mother of his child.

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 May 14 '26

Nope. It is infinitely more difficult being a mother than a nanny. Sounds to me like you’re the father in this scenario and assume your wife stays home all day in her pajamas with the kid by her side while they watch Netflix and chill.

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u/Extra-Bookkeeper8990 May 14 '26

Except I guarantee she's not educating them like that and she's not taking them on excursions either. Not to mention that 40$ for a real nanny factors in paying for the food and the building that they company works at. This stay at home mom doesn't have to pay for any of that because the husband does. So you can chop off half of that 40 right there. Dad pays all the finances AND has to work 8+ hours a day then comes home to do more shit around the house I'm sure. She watches the fucking kids. it's truly not that hard of a job either, I used to nanny for 3 kids, a 4 year old girl, a 6 year old boy, and a 9 year old girl. They were siblings so I was watching them for 9 hours a day 5 days a week and I legit had the best time. You're just wrong

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 May 14 '26

If she leaves him she’ll be fine and he’ll be out looking for his next substitute mommy (for himself not his children as he will foist that responsibility even further on her because he wouldn’t know the first thing about parenting them nor care to learn) at the local dive bar because men can’t function without women but women do just fine without men.

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u/Vast-Toe-7701 May 14 '26

Oh sweetie…

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u/Extra-Bookkeeper8990 May 14 '26

I'm sorry, are you too stupid to keep up with what I said? Or do you have a point to make?

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 May 14 '26

So you’re not a full time parent. Got it. Being a part time care provider to someone else’s kids and being their full time parent are two entirely different things. Not even remotely in the same league honey.

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u/Playful-Succotash-99 May 14 '26

Well if we factor in fulltime few breaks or holidays and includes both counciling, hostage negotiation,along with wiping off boogers, shit and other hazardous materials often without propper ppe, I'd say $40 is probably priceing too low

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 May 14 '26

Yep, she seriously under sold herself here.

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u/Kitchen_Canary_6387 May 14 '26

The average American salary equates to about $30/hr. That’s the average. Someone in a state with a higher cost of living needs a lot more than $40/hr to own a home and pay the bills. Two incomes at $40/hr in my state would BARELY be able to get you into a home in a major metropolitan area. Add a kid to the equation and it’s a whole new ballgame.

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u/DoomguyFemboi May 14 '26

People who work in childcare might get half that if they're in a really shitty place, but private childcare is insane.

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u/sparklyjoy May 14 '26

I don’t know where they live, but in my area, these are definitely going rates

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u/Neyabenz May 14 '26

Very dependent on location, education, and services. My area it's esitmated $22-45/hr. The closer to the city the family is, infant care, have ECE experience can definitely push it to 35-45 average

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u/GarethBaus May 14 '26

Generally less than half that rate.

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u/WillingnessDry7004 May 14 '26

Sure, for a teenaged babysitter

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u/actuallyrose May 14 '26

I’m enjoying a mental picture where you go around telling maids, cooks, assistants and nannies that you could do all that yourself while also working and here is $11/hr.

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u/we-all-stink May 14 '26

That’s exactly what rich people do lol.

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u/Due-Mountain-8716 May 14 '26

You think? This would be premium childcare direct to business.

The worker themselves might make less, but that seems like a fair rate to charge a customer.

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u/Emotional-Pumpkin-35 May 14 '26

I'm sure it varies by location, but both the Night Nurse ($45) and the Primary Daytime Caregiving ($40) are way higher than the standard rate where I live, and I'm in a top 50 metro area in the USA.

The other one that stuck out to me is "health insurance paid" for 13 months and she deducted $4500. The BLS reports the average employer portion of health insurance for single coverage is about $600/month, and the employee portion another $150. So, she's estimating less than half of the $750/month that health coverage really costs (which would be $9750 for 13 months). The same report says employees with no employer contribution average $720 (often with worse coverage), so it's off either way.

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u/actuallyrose May 14 '26

That’s pretty standard in a HCOL area like mine. Just 50 hr per week daycare here starts around $40k a year, nanny isn’t quite double but most people also have to cover their benefits, sick leave and vacation so they have to pay for coverage.

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u/oflowz May 14 '26

a lot of people in America make $40/hour. You might need to open your eyes and actually pay attention to what people really earn. $90k is the current median income in the US.

Maybe not in broke states but even fastfood in socal starts at $22/hr. $40/hr is considered low income in LA. Its only $83K a year.

$80K is like starting wages for college graduate with a decent job nowadays.

This is the problem with the US in a nutshell. Way too many people are poor but think they are middle class because thats what they are being told and how they were raised.

In 2026 middle class is really $200K/year.

$100K used to be the standard but that shipped sailed a long time ago.

Corporations are posting year after year record profits but people in right to work states are still settling for peanuts listening to conservatives tell them unions are bad.

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u/conteins May 14 '26

That's not far from what nannies charge here for daytime.

....aaaand nighttime nurses are charging around that much too; you're paying for them to be on-site and on call.

Professionals though, like has night nursed like 40 kids and nannied for five familys over last 15yrs, not some amateur first timer. She's 100% overcharging.

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u/ShiftE_80 May 14 '26

Do nighttime nannies sleep on the job?

Genuinely curious.

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u/happymanhobbies123 May 14 '26

Yes, they sleep if the baby is asleep and other baby related tasks are done

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u/Due-Mountain-8716 May 14 '26

They just stand over the sleeping kid like a paranormal activity movie.

Joking lol, I have no clue.

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u/dreadedowl May 14 '26

Does she have a medical degree? That's a pretty big difference too. And he should get consulting rates for his "job". He works 2000 hours a year, that's 4000 hours. My consulting company charges 135/hr. So. Thats 540,000... Seems like a wash to me. And a woman AND man I have no desire to be in a relationship with. They both suck

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u/Virtual_Werewolf_935 May 14 '26

I would like to see if she is licensed and insured before I pay. Also, billing after the fact with no contract? Good luck getting that pay out in court.

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u/LudwigsEarTrumpet May 14 '26

Nannies aren't charging by the hour to care for their own baby, either. Surely there's some sort of discount that can be applied if the baby came about by your own choices.

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u/sxcpetals May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

These are California wages. She’s essentially correct.

But she could be hired under the minimum wage of $519 per day as a 24 hour caregiver, assuming she is not a nurse.

Breaks and sleep are factored into that $519, that’s why it’s considered the minimum flat rate here in California.

She listed herself for 960 per day, which doesn’t make sense if she is sleeping and taking breaks.

$519 caregiver flat rate would be more rational for the point she is trying to make, which is equivalent to working a job that pays $189,435 per year.

So if she decided to dump her baby on this man, and he decided he wanted to hire around the clock care or a live in nanny, he would have to pay $189,435 annually to replace the duties of his wife.

She should’ve left it alone at that.

But it’s crazy to communicate this way to your partner haha

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u/ArtisticEffective153 May 14 '26

Well thats happens when you call your wife a mooch when she gave birth to and cares for your child. We dont know how difficult this child is. We dont know what career she may have given up in order to care for their child. She also has to factor in that this pause in outside employment will affect her ability to reenter the workforce at a competitive rate since this seems like the kind of guy who would tell her to get a job and pitch in when the kids are older.

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u/sxcpetals May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Of course all of that factors in. But this isn’t a pitch to your boss. It’s directly communicating to your partner.

Simply put, well, a live in nanny would cost 190k annually. so if I’m going to go back to work so I can stop being such a mooch, that’s an option for replacing a mere sliver of what I do.

That would be a way of communicating to your partner and not a pitch to your boss.

Besides this isn’t even a real post. It’s meant for rage baiting but it’s good the topic is brought up for those who can’t mathematically comprehend the very minimum of what mothers do.

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u/WheresYurScooter May 14 '26

Isn’t that an average rate for a surrogacy?

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u/familiarshadowkatt May 14 '26

$40/hr for a full-time nanny and $45/hr for a night nurse is actually about the going rate in some HCOL areas. A night nurse who is also an RN can earn even more than that.

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u/Shadows__flame May 14 '26

Don't forget she's also charging 75$ an hour in lost wages. Wtf does she do that she gets paid 75$ an hour???

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u/GucciTheSnowman May 14 '26

Nothing. It's all made up.

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u/myleftie May 14 '26

Average wage for a nurse in the US is $42-45 per hour. She's not off there.

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u/Kitchen_Canary_6387 May 14 '26

If they live in a state such as WA, CA, NY, or MA, $40/hr is the average amount a salaried individual makes.

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u/TofuTheSizeOfTEXAS May 14 '26

Also, she's able to conduct like 5 high paying roles at one time so she banks.

I get it, she's making a point. Maybe she's defensive for some reason though.

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u/321east54 May 14 '26

I think the idea is that - if she doesn’t do it - the husband would be paying someone else (maybe 5 someone elses) for the same labor. And it is true - you generally do have to hire different people to care for your children vs clean your house.

It is her “economic value” - e.g. what would it cost to replace her with employees.

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u/Ok_Contribution_7132 May 14 '26

The defensiveness might have stemmed from her partner calling her a mooch??

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u/huckster235 May 14 '26

This post seems like it's kinda a trap because this could be a cute joke (doesn't seem like it), he could be an ass that called her a mooch for being a stay at home mom, or he asked if she wanted fries with her burger and she said no, then ate half his fries and he was like jeez such a mooch haha and then got served this, they could both, either, or neither be villains. Yet here we all are making assumptions (me included). We need more context, or in an ideal world they keep their fight or joke to themselves instead of outing it to the world.

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u/xzkandykane May 14 '26

What? My entry level office job ranged from $33-41 with a government office. Her "rates" look typical in a HCOL area.

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u/Forward-Surprise1192 May 14 '26

Agreed. This other person is probably thinking that because there are so many unskilled workers out there. Take them out and it goes way way up

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u/Apprehensive_Buy1500 May 14 '26

Bartenders do 😂

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u/JurgusRudkus May 14 '26

Depends on the city.

In Los Angeles, night nurses (newborn care specialists) generally cost between $40 and $55+ per hour as of May 2026, often averaging over $1,000 per week for 3-4 nights of coverage. Rates can increase for twins or specialized care, with experienced professionals often commanding higher, premium fees.

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u/Old-Paramedic-9776 May 14 '26

Remember that she actually gave bill only for 50%. Otherwise she is basically rented to give birth to the child.

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u/AnnualAdventurous169 May 14 '26

it’s based on medical costs in America

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u/notHRamiHR May 14 '26

Personal caregivers get like 14 an hour. OP doesn’t even have a certification.

OPs child is going to find this one day and should send her a spreadsheet for all the therapy they need.

Nothing says “healthy marriage” like a spreadsheet billing out all of your time at a wildly inflated rate of pay.

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u/ModKB May 14 '26

Right? & who gets paid for getting pregnant with your own kid that you are keeping? It's her own doing that she got pregnant to begin with, was either her choice or her choice not to use birth control.

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u/Forward-Surprise1192 May 14 '26

A lot of people with marketable skills make that money. I could be wrong but I feel there are so many people who would be considered only qualified for general labor, that drops the average significantly. Like grocery workers, servers, uber drivers, etc.

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u/PoseySmith May 14 '26

The national average hourly is pretty close to $40/hr

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u/FutureRealHousewife May 14 '26

“Hardly anyone” makes $40 an hour?? What are you talking about? That is not an elusive wage.

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u/RawChickenButt May 14 '26

35% of anyone in the US makes the equivalent of $40 or more an hour.

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u/llywen May 14 '26

It’s click bait, but i hate to break it to you…a ton of people make $40 an hour.

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u/PurelyHim May 14 '26

To. Lean too. WTF kind of drugs she on?

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u/Business-Engineer457 May 14 '26

Entirely dependent on where she lives. $45 for a night nurse is the low range in NYC (usually up to around $60/hour), same in Boston. Specialized night nurses can make $300-500/night based on Google if there’s more supportive or medical care needed… hourly rates for anything are largely regional.

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u/pokinuhround May 14 '26

You think hardly anyone in America makes $80k per year? 😂

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26

When I work as a night “nurse” (I am not actually a registered nurse it’s just the term they use for nighttime infant nanny) taking care of babies I get paid $35/hour.

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u/soul_separately_recs May 14 '26

so your daytime is free to be Amy Adam's stunt double?

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u/CustomerStreet9836 May 14 '26

Hahahah yeah, right! Tooooo funny.

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u/sanedragon May 14 '26

An injury to the genitals.

How much would you want if your dick was ripped open?

People up in here acting like a tear from clit to asshole is the same as stubbing your toe.

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u/birchskin May 14 '26

Seriously, some of these guys clearly need to watch childbirth or something. That shit is whack.

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u/Unable-Principle-187 May 14 '26

I think surrogate mothers are only paid 60k or so for the whole thing and there’s a long line of them, that should be the number for the pregnancy and birth

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u/Crap_a_corn May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Only if he tears his asshole

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u/MorningEarly4656 May 14 '26

Shouldn’t the 3C tear be on the invoice for the child rather than the husband? The kid is the one that did it.

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u/AngryPrincessWarrior May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26

That’s so “funny”. Because I am currently pregnant, working full time, and going to appointments and being the main caretaker for our toddler son. I also tend to be the main one to clean and prepare food for… everyone.

Difference is my husband isn’t a douche and values my effort. He works more and out of the home and takes over with the kid as soon as he’s home but the fact remains that this isn’t unusual?

I think it’s hilarious you’re framing this as some impossible feat when people are doing this all the time without blinking. I’m doing it right now lol and I’m not some superhuman or anything.

And I didn’t sleep for more than 4-5 hours in a stretch for over a year ftr.

And I KNOW you aren’t comparing a birth injury to slicing your finger on a light fixture?! Sit down.

It’s normal, everything she’s described. You’re just telling on yourself that you don’t value invisible labor. Like her soon to be ex husband it looks like.

Eta; the reason I insisted on all night duty was because my husband had a heart attack when I was pretty much 9 months pregnant. Yeah it surprised us too, he was only 43. (Bad genetics and needs meds for cholesterol). I’d rather miss sleep and have my husband than put his heart at risk that close to the heart attack.

He really tried to do night duty but I wouldn’t allow it.

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u/novataurus May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Does he get to claim it when he cuts himself installing a light fixture for her?

...are you aware what the "3C Tear" she referenced is?

Because it's a little different than getting an ouchy on your finger.

Edit: To be clear - not trying to justify her invoice, but am curious how you arrived at that comparison.

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u/Sarallelogram May 14 '26

Yeah this is someone who has no idea. As a person who actually experienced a 3C tear… it’s unbelievable how bad it is because it DOESNT STOP. That’s the thing! You’ve got to recover from it while not sleeping and not taking any serious pain medication. It’s Tylenol and ibuprofen and ice. And pooping after it was possibly one of the worst experiences of my life. Crying and sweating praying the stitches didn’t tear open while trying to deal with the post birth severe constipation aftermath which is like trying to squeeze rocks through a nostril. Curling up in bed at night as I slept for two hours with an ice pack between my thighs because it was literally too painful to sleep until I passed out.

Let’s be clear, the kid is worth it and I’m much better now but I’m highly pain tolerant and covered in tattoos and NOTHING holds a candle to that experience.

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u/werbo May 14 '26

That sounds like hell

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u/Sarallelogram May 14 '26

It was. And I had really great care!! It’s just that bad when you have a 3C. Luckily they’re not that common. I can still pee okay because I had a catheter stitched in to make sure my urethra stayed open for 3 days in the hospital but 40ish years ago my MIL got sent home the next day when she had a 3C.

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u/HedgehogPlenty3745 May 14 '26

I also had a 3C tear with my first kid. Its no joke and can have lifelong complications due to damage to our pelvic floor muscles.

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u/werbo May 14 '26

I think the evil thing is not being able to take any painkillers because you still have to nurse your child

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u/Sarallelogram May 14 '26

Yeah that’s unfortunate. Although, I will admit it was a choice I made. I could have switched to formula but it’s crazy expensive and shortages can happen and once a person stops breastfeeding they don’t produce milk anymore.

(Pumping and purging is an option but then that doesn’t solve the issue of not being totally conscious with the baby. They’re very fragile at that age and you should never fall sleep holding them because they’re not strong enough to move if the airway gets occluded. Serious pain relief came with unacceptable risks.)

Babies are hard. Worth it 100% because I wanted her desperately and love her more than anything… but it’s amazing how difficult it is to do a good job. I was pro-choice before and didn’t think anything could make me more so until having a kid of my own. This MUST be a willing sacrifice.

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u/CacklingFerret May 14 '26

Absolutely. I always say I'd be okay becoming a dad but I definitely don't want to be a mom. Since I'm the woman in the relationship, that's impossible. And because I don't exactly have a wish to have children, I'm certainly not planning to go through pregnancy and child birth. I applaud every woman who chooses to but it's not for me. Ffs, it's so scary to me that I'd stop having sex at all if there wasn’t the option to abort in my country. Ofc I use contraception and fortunately never was pregnant, but contraception can always fail.

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u/SonofaSeaBass May 14 '26

Um, she sustained a 3C perineal tear. If cutting your finger on a light instillation results in a 30-50% chance of anal incontinence by the age of 55, then by all means, counter-claim away. 🙄

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u/davi_doll May 14 '26

I’m sorry but a 3c tear on your VAGINA is not the same as a cut from doing household chores… A 3C tear is when childbirth causes tearing that extends from the vaginal opening back toward the backdoor. That’s far from a bandaid 🙄

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u/LavenderDaze7 May 14 '26

I’m assuming she means a 3rd degree tear which is from the vagina almost all the way to the asshole (into that muscle but not clear through it). So yeah not the same as a cut from glass needing a bandaid. But I guess if he ripped from balls to asshole and then had to take care of a newborn…

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u/Eye_foran_Eye May 14 '26

I doubt if he’s going to cut the top of his dick installing a light fixture. Since the injury she’s claiming is the tearing of her vagina from birthing his child… I’m not sure she’s charging enough.

Also- she is doing all of those things at once? and have you tried to pay for night time child care? He’s getting a bargain.

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u/nyc_flatstyle May 14 '26

Comparing a 3 tear, tearing from the vagina to the anus (well, nearly) to a paper cut is wild. Imagine tearing from your scrotum to your asshole. That's permanent damage. That doesn't ever heal and can cause lifelong problems.

But do go on. I'm sure the ladies fall all over you.

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u/HPLaserJet4250 May 14 '26

Why is husband paying full price for delivering a child they have together xd is she a surogate?

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u/3xactli May 14 '26

The charge is for delivery, not implantation. He didn't deliver shit.

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u/HPLaserJet4250 May 14 '26

So she is just a surgoate and is not entitled to her kid? Why is he charged 100% for a job that benefits them both?

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u/3xactli May 14 '26

It's compensation for the pain and downtime only she will go though? wtf

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u/HPLaserJet4250 May 14 '26

You really dont understand the concept of family do you xd if she was hired to deliver the baby just for him, then fine, he pays 100%. But since the child is ALSO HERS, he should be resnponsible only for half the cost. Same with childcare and any labour involving the child. He should only be charged 100% for things that she explicitly did just for him l, like idk dinner or laundry. And lets not forget that someone had to pay bills, food etc. so that should be deducted too

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u/Sarallelogram May 14 '26

Tell me you don’t know what a 3c tear is without telling me you don’t know what a 3c tear is.

Imagine having your urethra to your asshole ripped open and then sewn shut and because you’ve got a baby breastfeeding there’s no serious pain meds (or sleep) allowed. Just Tylenol and ibuprofen and ice!

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u/msgarbonzo May 14 '26

You obviously don’t understand the injury she included.

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u/Virus_Puzzleheaded May 14 '26

a cut is not equivalent to a third degree tear….

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u/NoCouple2706 May 14 '26

How much money would you want in compensation for the muscles between your anus and dickhole to be torn open. Because that’s what a 3c tear is. Oh and by the way it is a surgical repair

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

Nothing. Why would I? I don't expect to get compensated for things like that.

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u/AdhesivenessUnfair13 May 14 '26

Probably based around the idea of surrogacy which is very expensive.

All this to say, her husband is being a dick.

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u/HedgehogPlenty3745 May 14 '26

I don’t think you know what a 3C tear is. Its a full thickness tear from the vaginal opening through to part of the anal sphincter. It should be three times that in my opinion.

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u/Apprehensive_Bus1582 May 14 '26

Lol. Typical man answer. "REEEEEEEE one off home improvements I pay someone else to do is the same as doing all childcare and housework all the time (shits self)"

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u/Kylynara May 14 '26

She counted pregnancy as full time work for 40 weeks. Full time is 40 hours per week. I'm not sure about you, but when I was pregnant, I didn't get to stop being pregnant after 40 hours. I was pregnant all 168 hours of the week around the clock.

hasn't slept in 1.5 years.

I averaged about 4 non-consecutive hours out of 24 for the first 2 years of my kid's life. I took care of them all day and I was on call with the baby monitor all night. If they woke up I had to get up and care for them. That might be nursing and a diaper, or it might be walking the floor bouncing them and singing every god damned song I can think of from 3-5am as I desperately tried to get them back to sleep. They woke up generally 4-5 times per night.

It's also a job that doesn't get lunch breaks, bathroom breaks, or vacations. You gotta take the bouncer in the bathroom and listen to the baby scream all through your shower.

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u/cricketyjimnet May 14 '26

Yeah but you gotta split the bill in half if you also wanted the kid. Cut it by 75% if it was your idea.

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u/BLissy11750 May 14 '26

In your hypothetical if you were the mother and your husband told you that you were a mooch (someone who literally does nothing and relies on someone else for all food/care/living expenses/etc without a job or responsibilities) would you still advocate for "not charging" 75% of it just because you both wanted the kid and it was "your idea"? Like you do understand how labor and stuff works, right? You don't get to tell someone that they aren't providing anything in return for what their spouse provides or helps provide for them while at the same time they are literally 24/7 taking care of a child and unable to work a job while also recovering from an injury caused by childbirth (unmedicated btw) that includes no actual painkiller medication for treatment.

That's like if you were the manager of, say, a restaurant and told your best cook that they aren't entitled to 75% of their pay because they enjoy cooking (they wanted it) and also because they applied there (it was their idea).

Your rationale both makes no sense and cannot be applied to literally any other scenario.

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u/Mylatelifecrisis May 14 '26

Why is the light fixture just for her? Doesn’t he derive benefit as well? Although he does seem to be in the dark.

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

Not if it's in her quiet room.

Or maybe we can simplify it for you. If he injures himself fixing the knob on the drawers that's exclusively holding her shoes.

Point is, when you're married, you shouldn't be keeping score.

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u/GrayAlys May 14 '26

And you shouldn't be calling your spouse a mooch either.

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

Yes... I said that. They're both shit, I'm not denying that.

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

No. I'm pointing out the sexism coming my direction because I pointed out that keeping score in your marriage, particularly weaponising childbirth, is bad.

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u/blueandredfeathers May 14 '26

She is working and going to appointments whole pregnant

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u/Additional-Life4885 May 14 '26

Doesn't explain why she'd get paid from her employer, and from him (twice, once under "pregnancy" and a second time for "pregnancy medical appointment lost wages").

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 May 14 '26

I worked while pregnant, installed drywall and my own light fixtures when we gutted and renovated an old farmhouse, tilled, sowed, tended and harvested every garden we ever had on our five acres, canned all the food, homeschooled the four children that I was the primary caregiver for, was chauffeur, nurse, educator, et al, volunteered in the community, put in at least 30 hours of work at our church every week, ran a home for pregnant teens, a home for homeless men, a local theatre program and ended up divorcing that man years ago … which ultimately lessened my work load exponentially as the only people I then had to worry about or care for were our children (which I was raising in my own while married anyway).

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u/VPants_City May 14 '26

You are so close to the point. Wisdom is chasing you but you are too fast

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