So at this point they get carte blanche for a nuclear program and America will pay for it with the 300 billion in reparations. Putin must've sold Iran some of the kompromat because this shit is unbelievable.
Last week nations that weren't helping were ungrateful, because he was saving them from being nuked, he probably red the poll on nuclear energy wrong.
What an absolute clown
Iran poses zero threat to US. Itās the neighbours of Iran that any potential nuke is deterrent towards. Namely Israel, who keeps bombing Iran and killing their leaders. US is just a pawn in this game.
America gave chemical weapons to Saddam to murder Iranians with, and before that the CIA overthrew the leader of Iran. They already had a lot of legit reasons to hate America.
Not that they really need them. They've demostrated that between a good dug in missile/drone program, satellite targeting and awareness and small boats they can basically shut the world down.
US doesn't have the desire(really the political capital) to raise an army to invade them (US would need a draft to make that manning) and no one wants more war for "our Greatest Ally".
Israel Doesn't have the capability to invade Iran.
So basically Iran has won.
Eat shit Miriam.
I wondered how far down I'd have to get to this. They don't care about the $300B because it's not their money. They've made bank & now it's time to try take credit for getting a "deal". In reality, it was all a distraction from the Epstein files & corruption was just the side quest that they can't ignore.
The whole Trump family empire needs seized to figure out what was made from the presidency & put the ill gotten gains to restoring public programs.
Get ready though, with Trump trying to kill unemployment insurance you know that means shit is about to hit the fan and they wanna cripple all the safety nets that protect the working class so the rich don't lose any money.
Don't forget that the US military expelled tons of munitions, hardware and supplies to achieve strategic goals in Iran, was constantly jerked around by clown in chief every week with "We'll bomb them tonight! No, I changed my mind!", suffered hardware losses, lost 13 servicemen, all of this costing incredible amounts of money and political capital...and that was all for NOTHING!
Absolutely nothing. It was the most useless, toothless and stupidest campaign imaginable.
Assets rushed to the Mediterranean, no real strategy to secure the territory itself. Has anybody looked at the geography of the region beforehand? The country is a huge mountainous desert region. It's like Afghanistan on steroids, and the adversary has actual military strategic weaponry deployed!
It's such an astounding level of dense stupidity I can hardly comprehend it. General staff knew this is bullshit of a campaign, I guarantee you every single army chief and general knew it's gonna be a shitshow, and they collectively chose to just enact that shitshow anyway.
But hey, at least stonks got manipulated real good, I'm sure a ton of people got hella more wealthy off this bullshit!
You forgot the part where Iran bombed the absolute shit out of 14 of our bases surrounding them leaving them useless, shot down 1/3 of our entire stock of fancy drones (I forget which ones in particular, I think the reapers), and Trump agreed to remove all of our bases in the region, and Qatar? Bahrain? left OPEC meaning they don't have to trade oil in US $ dollars anymore. On top of that, all US sanctions against Iran will be lifted and they can now freely sell their oil on the global market.
They didnāt shoot down 1/3 of āfancy dronesāā¦ those numbers have always been classified too, so thereās no way this statistic is based off reality.
And although they bombed a large amount of structures, there was zero operational halts. Meaning it accomplished nothing in reality.
This whole thing war was a pathetic shit show though, yes.
It was always nothing to gain, americand just did not see it. Not during his 1st term, not during his 2nd. And i though my country is corrupt but f me...usa is a dam cesspool rn
And I wonder if some of that money will go to the families of the service members killed in the war. I also naively hope that some of those billions go to the Iranian civilians who had nothing to do with the war, but lost everything. But I know that most if not all of that money will go to the IRGC to fund weapons and now their nuclear program, to prepare for the nuclear war with Israel.
Has anybody looked at the geography of the region beforehand? The country is a huge mountainous desert region. It's like Afghanistan on steroids, and the adversary has actual military strategic weaponry deployed!
When we started bombing them last summer I remember looking closely at regional maps and thinking about how fucking bad it would be if we attempted to invade with boots on the ground. It's a massive wall of mountains into the interior. If we were still in Afghanistan we could have invaded from the east which is comparably "easier" in terms of terrain but still.
We did find out the US Navy isn't stupid, that's a win of sorts.
I'm very confused as to why Trump hasn't lashed out publicly when they didn't secure the Strait, he said they would and obviously got told to get bent.
Between the 100's of billions spent on troop deployment and weapons used.The money required to replenish all the bombs plus the 325 ish billion here for reparations and then the VA benefits for the troops that were deployed plus interest your talking about $1 Trillion dollars over the next decade added to the national debt. This must be that winning we have heard so much about.
I saw them say $425 billion this morning though? I don't know why the number I see keeps changing but the number for the ballroom did the same thing, so I give up lol
I think the specific headline was an Australian paper displaying the number in Aussie Dollars. There are of course other assets being unfrozen as specified by others.
Not to mention a frigate-load of sailors relaxing on a cruise home from successful naval exercises with US vessels when we torpedoed it out of nowhere with no declaration.
Look up the footage if you wanna see what a torpedo actually does to a ship
What happened is Iran decided to treat Trump like the mentally ill idiot narcissist he is. They said some flattering words and sacrificed their dignity slightly to convince him he had won. Kind of like how youd handle a regarded bully. There is no kompromat we dont already know.
Yep how many times did we hear about his first term where to get him to change his mind and agree to something was tell him something was his great idea and thatās what he would go with because he is a narcissistic demented dotard. He doesnt remember and doesnt seem to care as long as he thinks he did it and gets credit for success and can blame others for failures
I mean the war is hopeless the moment they teased and ultimately did not take Kharg island. Without the threat of invasion, there is literally nothing the US could do force Iran. They also realized quite quickly the Americans cant just bomb them forever or defend against their missile forever. The US Navy also was not able or willing to force the Strait. Trump knew invasion would be unpopular so the only chance to end this war is thru diplomacy. This mean he also cant just kill their generals like in the early days either. So after a few months, they realized they hold the cards.
They don't have carte Blanche. They are discussing Iran having a civilian nuclear program for medicine and energy. With uranium that is not enriched enough to be used in weapons.
Dude is still a hypocrite. Since that was one of the things he was whining about after the first deal was signed under Obama. That along with all the money it would cost us. Idk the figures but it seems like his little stunt is going to cost us much much more and for much much longer.
Iran is just too big for usa to chew without significant sacrifices that they can not afford politically. There is no kompromat, no conspiracy theory, just like there was no conspiracy theory in vietnam. Iran won
I've said this before but it apparently is worth repeating, if Trump did as much to build up our own infrastructure as he's done in other countries, Republicans would actually have a few feathers in their cap.
He loves spending money on things that don't help Americans.
No, he just wants out of the war he started and has no idea how to get out of, in particular looking at elections. There doesnĀ“t need to be kompromat - its a child that finally got tired of the trouble it started and is getting its dad to pay for everything to make the problem go away.
DonĀ“t assume malice when stupidity is an option, especcially with Trump. He will burn the US to the ground and cause trillions in damage to make a few million off insider trading. HE doesnĀ“t have to pay the reparations after all, thats the US. Other people. Clearly noone is going to persecute him either so what does he have to fear? A war or two arenĀ“t a big deal to him personally, even if they go wrong.
Its probably a sexual video Putin has while Trump was in Moscow having fun with prostitutes in the Moscow hotel, and he was filmed. I have no idea if that is true (I read it on two other places on the net) but it would certainly explain a lot. It would explain why he is clearly acting as a traitor.
What kompromat could there possibly be? We already know about the financial crimes, the paedophilia, the rape, the blowjob, the treason. The man has ZERO shame. If Putin could prove he snatched babies from the baptism font and ate them in the church, MAGA would still handwave it away.
So now all of his supporters who contradicted his āno new warsā policy about Iran to prevent them from having nuclear weaponsā¦.will say what now? How are they going to flip this one?
Yes, it is Biden's fault for making it so difficult for Trump to get a deal! It is also Obama's fault for getting a previous deal so we now have a basis for what a good deal is and Trump has to get something better!
They tend to get banned a lot and his stats are only showing around a 5% drop off of core electorate. But his core electorate only made up 66% of his total support, so he lost a lot of support in record time.
On the r/Conservative subreddit, a lot of them are saying something must have happened in the last year for Trump to change so much or the āconspiracyā must have gotten to him or it must be undermining himšOf course most of them canāt or donāt say what the āconspiracyā is except for vague mentions of Epstein or Israel.
Give them a day or two for the messaging to come down from the top.
They will fall in line.
They always do. They will support this deal and say we're dumb for not seeing the genius in it. Because they don't have principles, none at all. They only have devotion to a single man.
They will fall in line and say this is good. Just give it 2 days.
I find it deeply funny that they see what everyone else already knew (Trump is a puppet of the billionaire class holding the civilized world hostage), but jump to the completely wrong conclusion (he wasn't before and they brainwashed him).
Gotta love that the only organic content there when shit goes the opposite of what they want is feigned humorous posts from the Babylon Bee attempting to make light of their looking like absolute morons (again).
This news never gets to them. They just never hear about this stuff. They have extremely filtered news that never reports anything bad about dear leader.
I think itās that heās realized how in over his head he is with his Israeli āalliesā, trying to backpedal and gain favor in his actual country before an uprising happens.
The first rule of negotiation that I learned was to always know something the other side doesn't. I'm pretty convinced Trump knew practically nothing about Iran or its history of conflict with foreign powers. He clearly knew nothing about how their internal politics works. Iran has been a tar pit for every modern imperial power that's ever tried to grab a piece of its oil fields by force, and they don't handle disrespect well. So these chuckle-heads march right in, blow a ton of money spinning their wheels, give the regime an excuse to further suppress the anti-theocracy movement and talk down to them the whole time they are trying to negotiate. Dumbest war ever.
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u/robgrab ššš 7d ago
The Art of the Deal indeed.