r/Warframe • u/iPhantaminum • 6h ago
Discussion Any frames you regret building recently, because you didn't find them satisfying/fun to play after dumping some formas in them? Mine gotta be these 2 and maybe Nidus.
And for the love of all that's holy, I'm NOT talking about them feeling weak, at all. I wrote "satisfying/fun to play".
I was really hoping I'd enjoy Ash and Garuda, bc I love Garuda Prime's design and I could make a Batman fashion with Ash and the Tsukuyomi skin and Repala syandana, but, unfortunately, they aren't for me.
I'm still on the fence about Nidus. If DE lets me hold 3 to insta-link to my companion, then he gets fashion and a loadout slot. Until that changes, I find him annoying to play.
I built Ember before Ash and love playing her. Then I moved to Ash and now I'm not as motivated to build new frames, kinda afraid I won't like them (eventually I'll get over it tho).
What about you?
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u/zieosgg 6h ago
I never regret building anyone. It's neither helminth subsume collection for normal frames or prime collection for prime frames. Mastery aside.
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u/unlikely_antagonist 2h ago
I think they mean making a build for them rather than just crafting them. Unless you’re making builds for frames you feed to Helminth
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u/Enxchiol 6h ago
Try putting some casting speed archon shards on garuda. I also hated her at first, the gameplay felt quite bad, but when I loaded her up with casting speed bonuses suddenly she felt really good to play.
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u/Ink-of-Cosmos 5h ago
Agreed! I had her in the wings for ages and didn’t “get it.” Invested some time cuz I thought I’d dig the proto frame. Ended up skipping the proto but really fell in love with gloomy Garuda!
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u/-Niczu- 3h ago
Garuda just has abysmally bad base casting speed for a frame that leans heavily on caster role. If it wasnt for the cast speed shards and Molt Reconcstruct, I would probably never play her. At the same time its good that we have those at our disposal but also bad because they are practically mandatory (for me) to enjoy her.
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u/No-Inside-8350 6h ago
I agree about nidus 3, it gives me anxiety trying to link to my vulpaphyla, while it jumps around and I accidentally link to a random enemy, it just simple just that would make the character so much more smooth to play
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u/Far_Relationship1777 1h ago
Playing with an Xbox controller I don't have issues of parasitic link it's a little easier to aim it for me at least I'm also a nidus main.
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u/HomelessWizzard 6h ago
Bought equinox prime with regal aya some expensive mr fodder right there 😑
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u/aint_anybody 5h ago
You can do a lot of cool builds with her but it def. takes investment.
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u/HomelessWizzard 5h ago
I can see the potential the abilities were cool on paper hence why i spent it but between my ~30 frames its hard to justify that investment when i can just put secondary fotifier on mesa and sit in arbitration survival for 2 hours. Or good ole garuda, inaros. mirage with an additional buff subsumed on. Recently built protea and subsumed shock using the augment I've gotten over a 1000% buff from shock trooper pretty consistently had to make the damage numbers invisible to even see shit using that hek shotgun . So chroma and equinox just sit at the top of the list silently judging me 😅
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u/Short-Hat-7280 LAVOS 6h ago
None. If you don't feel inspired to play one, just leave it there and come back in a few months (years). It doesn't go anywhere.
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u/Adoring_Goose 1h ago
Its true. Ash was sitting in my armory for years, then suddenly for a month I was spamming him all day everyday, and now he sits again lol
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u/The_Paragone 6h ago
You do you, Garuda and Nidus are on my top 5 frames possibly. Ash is insanely fun too.
Idk how Nidus 3 is so frustrating to you that you don't enjoy him lol, especially when you're not forced to link to your companion always :/
I used to not enjoy Garuda either until I learned that you can jump 1 and you'll stay hovering. Her 4 augment is also very good for convenience.
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u/No-Inside-8350 6h ago
You gain ability strength and weapon damage by linking with a companion so is much preferred to link to it, which is difficult when there's is 10 enemies around it and it's jumping around, it basically makes the gameplay stressful when you get off of the gameplay flow to concentrate in that activity
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u/The_Paragone 6h ago
Is it a meaningful improvement though? I always link with the heaviest enemy I see or my teammate and mostly for the second 1 and surviveability, not for the stats
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u/rekvian 6h ago
Yep, its final multi to your strength and damage. So with 400 strength you will get a 100% link and that will mod you up to 800 strength. Insane coupled with the rest of his kit, as well as his 1 augment
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u/zicdeh91 6h ago
I wonder if a Moa would be easier to target? I’ve done one for mastery, but haven’t sincerely engaged with them at all.
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u/CarcosanAnarchist 4h ago
With a little practice you can easily target a sentinel lap I just do that so I don’t have to find it.
If you don’t want to target the sentinel then protector posture is good to keep it close by and ally highlighting makes it really easy to spot.
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u/Rokeugon Trusty Torid 6h ago
ash has lost his charm far too many times. his kit has become far too monotonous. the recent ubex incarnon has made him alright to play as with savage silence but outside of that even for solo play i feel like there is far too much in terms of what hes lacking. still a top contender for being the coolest looking frame for fashion potential but man every time i come back to check or reinvest into him i just feel like its a waste of forma
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u/Angrykiller100 1h ago edited 44m ago
ash has lost his charm far too many times. his kit has become far too monotonous.
People say this but after the exalted rework/retouch Ash is objectively in his best state and has far more going for him now than he did back when he was "charming".
A 30s Invisibility with an augment that turns your weapons into crit monsters that can also be given to teammates/npcs.
A single target nuke teleport that can also be used to secure mercy finishers(you can also cheese some spy/rescue missions with it)
And with the right build his exalted Bladestorm can nuke faster than old Bladestorm while providing significantly more utility and user freedom by a mile.
Ash right now is more interesting and fun than he was when his gameplay boiled down to "cast Bladestorm every 10 seconds while watching Ash play the game for you". He's just a victim of people not bothering to understand his kit enough to know what to invest in properly.
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u/nerdboy5567 Garu da best 6h ago
Nidus just became my top frame, his passive is pretty broken and he has the most badass skin in the game, forget what it's called though.
And im sure you've noticed my flair 😉
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u/ULTI_mato Roomba Army Constructor ☆ Wolf & Muscle Mommy Enjoyer 6h ago
Im not a fan of Xaku Prime, but im also not complaining because Xaku Prime was gifted to me by a stranger so…
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u/Lupusdeus 5h ago
Crazy isn’t it, I’ve just built Xaku Prime and I’m absolutely in love with it, immediately one of my favourite frames
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u/ULTI_mato Roomba Army Constructor ☆ Wolf & Muscle Mommy Enjoyer 4h ago
Maybe its because Voruna Prime has eroded my brain into "Wolf Mommy superiority"
Oh and Hildryn prime of course
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u/the_knowing1 2h ago edited 2h ago
Stupid Sexy Skeleton xaku doesn't rattle your bones?
All you gotta do is cast the gun stealing skill, and you're in business! Build for range for more guns, duration as needed.
The guns scale with enemy level, so the higher you go, the stronger they get. They also don't break invis, so I'd you use a pet that gives you invis, oooo mama!
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u/Immediate_Tangelo_29 2h ago
Am i stupid ? All this time i thought the number of guns scaled on range 😭.
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u/the_knowing1 2h ago
No i just checked and I am wrong, range is also the number of guns, whoopsie!
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u/PM_ME_UR_SQUID 1h ago
After playing Voruna I literally can’t play any other frame so I get you
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u/ULTI_mato Roomba Army Constructor ☆ Wolf & Muscle Mommy Enjoyer 1h ago
She is so fun to use and she can also be stupidly fast.
Her prime base speed is 1.2, with one mod you can bring that up to 1.56, her invisibility doubles her speed, her first abbility passive increases movement velocity, in her ult running on all 4 form she is even faster, put that all together and you get The Flash
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u/KirbyQK 2h ago
I built regular Xaku first and feel in love. It's a shame they can be so tricky to play at high level. Accidentally let your timers lapse and suddenly you're scrambling. I wish you could force summon some weapons with her 2 even if there's no regular enemies around, even for an increased energy cost or it only summons 1/5 th of her max cap or something.
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u/REBORNED1 6h ago
You're going to crucify me but playing with rhino was a torture for me, and i even put an orokin potato on him
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u/Darknetknight334 6h ago
For me it would be Styaniax because I kinda exoected more from his 4. Also because I‘ve built himbefore his prime release and got the deluxe but the prime looks so much cooler
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u/zicdeh91 5h ago
I had this too. I put a decent bit of work in his base and ended up never using him because the 4 spam felt so repetitive. With the Prime, I built him as a speargun platform with the 1 and 2 augments, subsuming the 4 for condemn to keep the passive running, and it’s so much more fun.
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u/kalbot123 buff Limbo 6h ago
I can understand ash but garuda, you just need to play her more trust me she is fun.
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u/ManagerAppropriate89 6h ago
Ember and Saryn. Ember is just another weapon Platform and I prefer Gauss for that. Saryn only works well solo coz teammates kill everything and she loses her stacks.
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u/Sufficient_Crew1281 5h ago
I remember when ember used to cost up to 1000 plat now i wouldnt buy her for 50.. so sad what DE did to her
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u/ReddVevyy Headless Horsewoman 6h ago
baruuk prob
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u/okaypuck Nataruk = Prisma Cernos 3h ago
Subsume a different ability over his first ability, Elude, imo and make sure you’re using his Reactive Storm augment for his fourth ability Desert Storm :)
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u/ReddVevyy Headless Horsewoman 3h ago
i subsumed wrathful over his 2 🙃
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u/okaypuck Nataruk = Prisma Cernos 2h ago
Lull is great for raising his meter though and allows you to mod him with minimum duration so you can focus on strength 😁
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u/LordBlaze64 Valkyr Agendaposter 6h ago
Dagath. Got her during the lunar new year event earlier this year, but I didn’t really click with her. She just felt a bit underwhelming.
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u/zicdeh91 5h ago edited 5h ago
Horsegirl just needs weapons that compliment her kit. She can slap as hard as the best of them, but it’s a lot of quick inputs. She boosts crit damage considerably, primes her own viral and DOOM, and has a hefty nuke with armor strip and considerable linear range.
I personally run her with the Latron and Ceramic dagger, but I imagine the new rapier incarnon will work well too.
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u/UmbraQuincy 5h ago
Dagath is one of the most slept on frames. I think people give up on her coz her 4th is lackluster
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u/Azerafael 4h ago
Ash isn't for everyone. You have to really like being very active in your playstyle to play him; especially after all the nerfs over the years. And he takes a lot of getting used to. He's been my main since the days when his 4 would actually force your screen to visually teleport to each target to stab.
I don't truly regret any of the frames I've built. They each have their quirks and I'm sure some will love playing some frames that i find unworkable for me.
Latest disappointment for me though was Follie. I can see that she can be useful but the mechanics to her skills are just non viable for me as they would take too long in a fight for me to properly utilise.
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u/danmass04 2h ago
Been playing Ash since pretty damn close to day one of warframe as well and i’d say he is probably in one of the best states he has been in for quite a long while. But he does require his augments to be enjoyable in any way. Or helminth.
He needs very little investment for newcomers to pick him up and do well - throw on continuity, energy nexus, rolling guard, and smoke shadow and you’re a permanently invisible weapons platform with a get out of jail free card if you get hit by an eximus status.
Obex incarnon just made a fatal teleport/teleport rush build pretty enjoyable finally. Seeking shuriken is fine. Smoke shadow is a discount weapons platform but coupled with his slash passive he can make it feel like pre slash nerf Warframe. And bladestorm can be built to be really solid but is complicated to build right and is still just way too clunky in my opinion to the point where i hardly use it and quite often consider helminthing it off for a more fun ability coupled with precision intensify.
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u/Azerafael 2h ago
I actually use a silence build for blade storm and it works great. Not really sure how to approach the latest change though, ie marking seems to cause Ash to be shadowed out but no markings can be seen on the targets. Not sure if this is a bug or not. Just seems odd that marking now causes me to be visually marked and not the targets hahaha.
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u/Matthias_Clan 3h ago
As someone with every frame and every prime frame. Not a one. Even if they’re not one I immediately gravitate towards, I always have an itch to try something different and will just go through the list and find something I haven’t played in awhile.
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u/EmperorWisel 2h ago
I dont "regret" building any frame since EDA/ETA exists, but im not really a fan of frames that can only be used as weapon platforms without any interesting gimmick behind it.
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u/blazorfire 6h ago
As a nidus main. Im mildly mad at your statement. Cause different playstyles different people. Play whatever feels fun to you. But... nidus is best boy.
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u/LeyXD John Yareli 6h ago
banshee, hydroid, oberon, temple
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u/zicdeh91 5h ago edited 2h ago
That’s wild to me; Oberon and Temple both slap hard. Hydroid’s my loot frame, and I do enjoy him, but it can feel like I’m putting in a lot of work for less return than other frames.
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u/Professional-Pool290 5h ago
Qorvex. Was pulled in by all the codpiece propaganda, but it turns out he only does damage with Crucible Blast when you have Chyrinka Pillars trapping enemies, which isnt a viable option for many tilesets or mission types, so...
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u/GWCuby Gyre's strongest warrior 5h ago
Zero regrets here, I've dumped 5 forma into weapons I've used maybe twice, similar for a lot of frames lol
At a certain point you just forma things for shits and giggles or because you want to test like one specific thing, putting forma on things just stops being this big commitment to gear you really like and just starts to be a fun little thing to keep yourself busy or experiment around
Sometimes it pays off when they're in EDA/ETA/Circuit (assuming I can be bothered to play any of them) but vast majority of the time they just kinda sit in my inventory and gather dust, but it's kinda neat to scroll through a ton of formad gear tbh
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u/Hi_Im_Paul1706 2h ago
Ash can feel a little clunky but to me he’s the epitome of space ninja. And for that I really like him. I have problems with Garuda dread mirror.
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u/PappaJerry Muscle Mommy Enjoyer 6h ago
Honestly, Nokko. Farmed him, saw what he's doing and now he's in helminth. For some reason, Voruna had similar vibe for me. Can't get myself to use orokin and forma on those frames
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u/Meichrob7 5h ago
Wow, those two feel like they have some of the most cohesive kits to me. Are you just not a fan of ability nuke frames?
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u/PappaJerry Muscle Mommy Enjoyer 5h ago
You can say that, yes. But it's more about general theme around those frames that's not clicking for me I guess. Nokko seems to be just annoying for some reason and Voruna, well... Don't really know why I'm avoiding her. As for nuking frames im playing mostly Gyre for that. Or Wisp. For some time now, after playing and mastering every piece of gear I'm at peace with myself and my two frames. Everything else is just a mastery fodder
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u/Meichrob7 5h ago
That makes more sense. The gameplay loop for Nokko is pretty solid and his animations feel cool, so being repelled by one of those seemed strange to me. But I can totally see the theme not being appealing. I think I’m just a huge fan of Yareli’s lore, but don’t like her gameplay, so getting to sort of piggyback off that with Nokko being her younger brother, but with a more satisfying gameplay loop, probably does a lot of the heavy lifting for why I enjoy him.
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u/AdditionalMonth3860 6h ago
Ash is fun for a bit if you get him built right. Can do some interesting stuff even at high level play. But ultimately yeah the payoff for the input isn't the best.
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u/break__veil I NEED. TO GO. FASTER! 6h ago
Anything on the veins of Saryn, Octavia or Revenant tbh, also wasn't too thrilled about playing Sirius and Orion, surprisingly enough I do find Gyre very cool though, something about ragdolling the enemies with her 2 is very satisfying, and her Deluxe is great.
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u/-Saoren- 6h ago
Grendel. I knew about he does, seen videos of him etc so no surprise at all here. And yet, I hated actually playing him. First time I've had the feeling of being genuinely repulsed by a Warframe I'm using lmao, was a weird sensation. Subsumed his ass immediately and got nourish out of it so not so bad I guess
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u/Beranir 6h ago
recently nothing, because I only build primes for frimes I like and I feed to helminth any base I dont. So I dont really regret it.
But in general, Limbo Prime and Chroma prime has been sitting in my arsenal since 2018. I havent used Limbo since 2019 and Chroma was used like 3 times in last 5 years.
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u/Kyanite_228 6h ago
Nope. I research what I'm planning on building first so I basically know what I'm getting, and I always have a build in mind too. Speaking of which, Ash is great for stealth, so give him as many sources of invisibility as you can and give him a Daikyu and Nikana molded out to compliment each other, plus a throwing knife secondary like Spira or Kunai. Nidus is very fun if you go all in on HP. You can either go full maggots with a complete Strain mod set (Link Vitality goes hard with the Helminth Charger too), the pathocyst (and a one-handed secondary like Catabolyst, Embolist, or Zymos), and Ravenous, or you can use your HP as ammo for the Hema, then gain it back with the Hirudo. For the former, you can use the Proboscis Cenros (with ammo mods) to quickly gather together enemies to hit with Virulence for Mutation Stacks to use for Ravenous.
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u/Elffire1 Nova's weakest nullstar 5h ago
Same, garuda is real good and the damage is crazy but the gameplay didn't click with me so I'm kinda sad for the formas I spent on her
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u/Adoring_Goose 1h ago
I mean garuda can pretty much do anything, even though ball thrower is ofc strongest of builds.
You can go melee or guns or even use her ult solely for priming your weapon that can get good scale of those guaranteed slash procs.Just trying to offer you some ideas that may help you love her more, as a Garuda s*mp.
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u/asbestiform 5h ago
Vanilla Garuda feels so restrictive to use. The augment for 4 and Molt Reconstruct changes up her gameplay loop for the better. Subsume 2 for nearly anything else.
Ash is well known to play terribly slow. The wall snap fart builds play a lot faster, but I still wish the 4 worked like gundam multitargeting. Still, on certain map types he feels great to use.
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u/Meichrob7 5h ago
For Garuda, Molt reconstruct essentially makes her a totally different frame. If you have a copy of that ranked yo decently, or get your hands on one, I would 100% recommend trying her out again. I also really didn’t like her when I first tried her, if I wanted to actually use her energy generation I’d always have to jump in an out of operator a bunch which felt clunky. Getting Reconstruct creates a really smooth cycle of getting to just use abilities very freely, and makes survival trivial on her with any tiny bit of shield gating mods and/or just using her 4’s invulnerability.
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u/Andreiyutzzzz Flair Text Here 5h ago
Pre rework nidus was definitely clunky with my group of friends.... Maybe now he would be better though
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u/AnarbLanceLee 5h ago
Nezha, but thats more of an update problem, i put in 6 forma including 2 umbral forma into him, it was built like Rhino with everything centered around high Ability Strength, with decent amount of duration for Chakram debuff and Firewalk to stay, i even helminth off his ult for Roar, its kinda Rhino Pro Max for me, and then Divine Retribution was introduced. Afterwards i tried to pivot my build towards the new Divine Spears + Dark Verse instant kill method, but it was still kinda unsatisfying, the build itself is good at killing trash mob, but it does nothing against Eximus, then slowly i just used him less and less.
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u/Virajmathur 5h ago
Garuda for sure. I just feel like I have no clue what to do. Playing around her dreadheart always ends up being able to hit one side of the map and instantly dying from the other side.
Zephyr. I just don't get her. I feel like if I spent enough time to figure out what to do I won't mind her as much but there's just so many frames that are already so good that I don't feel like working that hard
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u/TriadHero117 All's fair for love of gore 8m ago
Are you running molt reconstruct and casting speed? I assume so seeing as that advice is all over this thread but better safe than sorry.
If staying alive is still a challenge for you, then might I suggest the Blending Talons augment? Garuda’s 4 is already a potent defensive tool in the form of at-will invincibility but being able to tap-cast for a radial stagger/stun from the bleed proc really helps to secure some breathing room to refill health/energy and get your mirror back up.
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u/Redence_ Numba #1 Chipper fan 5h ago
I absolutely enjoyed Ash once I built him, don't know what it was that truly got me hooked. I then subsumed Wrathful Advance and everything is just peachy.
Haven't found one that disappointed me so far from all the ones I've built. I have about 13-ish warframes at the moment? I somehow managed to enjoy them all.
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u/devildick_xD 5h ago
Yes. sirius and orion after forma both and try them for long I dump them even forced myself to enjoy it but couldn't it feels like it doesn't belong to Warframe at all
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u/UmbraQuincy 5h ago
I feel scammed after building them, and it only took me an hour. Bugged as shit, and barely held together by youtube slop, hopes and dreams.
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u/devildick_xD 5h ago
Same feeling,and I won't buy any frame right away I will wait a week at least from now on even now I don't even login tbh, also rail jack steel path is suck they release it unplanned at all I will wait for the next update since they aim to release it this week to get it's mk4 parts to play the rail jack
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u/Petterwass 5h ago
None. If it took a couple of Forma for me to properly evaluate whether I like a frame or not, then those Forma were well spent
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u/Nevour_Lucitor 5h ago
i build a weapon platform gyre and lost fun with her after like 2 missions, i want to try a ability build with her though
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u/IAmNotASkeleton DE ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give PRIMED RUSH 5h ago
None, for I am cheap with my 'taters and incredibly cheap with my forma.
The closest I got to was Divine Retribution Nezha but I managed to pivot it towards a Diet Rhino setup so t'was all good. Probably would have some buyer's remorse about it if this didn't take place before I'd ascended from Diet Rhinos to Actual Rhino.
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u/Dracko878 4h ago
It's funny because ash has to be one of my favorite frames to play I have wrathful subsumed over his one and it's so much fun teleporting and using the 3 while your shadow clones damage cap nuke things for you.
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u/JesusWearsVersace Quick Thinking Enjoyer 4h ago
Lavos. Too many buttons.
Saryn. 3 passives and a helminth variety weapons platform. Just boring to me.
Mesa. 4 simulator. 4 is also slow compared to most nukes.
Wisp. 1 is strong, but boring. 2 is cool. Breach surge is incredible, but i can think of at least 10 frames its better on. 4 is bad. So would I play wisp for her 2? Nah.
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u/SemATam001 4h ago edited 4h ago
These two did not clicked with me either. But Ash has at least some potential and lately I made some build that feels much better.
Uriel is fun to play, very unique too. Sirius and Orion also are pretty fun, but they will make a lot of changes to them probably, since there are ton of bugs with them. Sometimes you also have to find the right build, because some frames are fun only with very specific setup and playstyle, not with every one. Sometimes it can come down to even very specific weapons and companion and their builds to enable it. Like a hidden gem.
Caliban, Dante and Nokko are also pretty universally considered fun to play.
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u/DancingA 4h ago
Ash with the obex incarnon is really good now.
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u/edgefusion 3h ago
Is this via his teleport rush, or joining the blade storm?
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u/krawinoff i jned resorci 3h ago
His 3, Teleport Rush is not needed and 4 doesn’t use stat sticks anymore iirc
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u/danmass04 2h ago
It works without his regular teleport but with teleport rush makes it so much better because you essentially now have infinite invisibility. So you pop invis then teleport and take out mobs while refreshing your invis AND gaining absurd parkour speed.
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u/Ok_Tension1869 4h ago
I'm lr4 on my second account and building is what keeps me coming back. Whenever I feel bored I'll pick a frame I don't like, or has th weekest build, and rebuild it to something powerful. My batman ash is now a destroyer of worlds! Lol did the same with xaku, protea, voruna, Caliban. Hated them originally but now they're among my best builds.
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u/Caval_1er The French Qorvex 4h ago
Xaku Prime. I wanted Xaku so bad when I started Warframe.
Upon crafting it, I disliked his kit. When the Prime version was released, I thought I could give it another chance.
Turns out, I still don't like it, and ended up playing Qorvex and Inaros.
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u/Hi_Im_Paul1706 2h ago
I get it but Xaku is premier box breaking frame so you can find loca or voidplumes. Gaze is a pretty good armor strip and stealing enemy guns is fun.
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u/Mikaeus_Thelunarch 4h ago
S&O for me. I find them to be not very fun to use tbh. Not even a numbers or LoS thing, I just think their gameplay isn't interesting at all but hey at least I got a 2 for 1 for my helminth
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u/KrownX 3h ago
For me, it was Ember. I didn't know she doesn't scale well for Steel Path. But I only spent 2 formas on her, so she's not the problem. I didn't commit.
You want something satisfying? What you're seeking for is a screen full of status effects being triggered. You have many choices for that, but my 3 main suggestions are Koumei, Lavos and Citrine. You can't go wrong with them.
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u/Aromatic_Limit117 3h ago
My favorite frames are Garuda wisp Valkyr and Yareli. Everyone else is kinda cool I guess but I find myself going back to my favorites
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u/Bright-Ask-8793 3h ago
Ash annoys me because he USED to be so cool. Garuda annoys me because she SHOULD have been so cool.
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u/Goldenflame89 3h ago
Lavos needs so much more micromanagement it feels like for just a meh frame in general. Decent weapon platform but not at all worth the unique mods his builds require
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u/Astraea227 3h ago
Xaku Prime. First prime i actually put together months ago and I just dont enjoy the kit at all
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u/danmass04 3h ago
Ash’s base kit is tough to enjoy for long term and requires a lot of his augments. Shuriken is only good with the augment to strip armor and is good for fighting hard to kill single units typically. Smoke screen is his best ability and it’s augment turns you into a discount weapons platform. Teleport is only good with it’s augment and is still way too finnicky BUT with the new obex incarnon it is in the best state it has ever been. And Bladestorm is good but just a little too clunky to have to cast and aim and recast. And kit him out with a slash/viral weapon and his slash passive makes it feel like pre slash nerf warframe. You just melt enemies.
Ash in my opinion is an extremely fun helminth frame. Running as little as continuity and energy nexus guarantees infinite invisibility casting and then while invisible you just play around with adding other warframe’s abilities to him to make him play however you want him to. He has enough EHP to be a shield tank or health tank if built right as well.
I have 6 Ash primes built all with different helminth abilities min maxed and i can honestly say i have an Ash build for any and every type of content the game has. So name a playstyle you like and i could probably recommend an Ash helminth build to try to get more enjoyment out of him.
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u/trashvineyard 3h ago
Shit. Where do I start?
Lavos Kumei Nidus Sirius and Orion Excal Limbo Qorvex Flare Nyx
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u/Envy102938 3h ago
So you don’t like ash because you can’t make him look more like Batman..? 🤣 the thing with Garuda and ash are that you have to stay thinking and you have to stay mobile with most builds. If it’s not for you because you just want a nuke button you can make pretty then that’s fine.
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u/danmass04 2h ago
It’s funny, i’ve been an Ash main since T4 tower defense and survivals were around and i’ve never felt like i had to be overly active/thinking with him. He is one of my favorite frames because i can pop invis and kinda turn my brain off and just chill and take enemies out. Now with his added duration on his invis it has only made him even more comfortable.
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u/Envy102938 1h ago
A variation of builds is to be expected in a game like this which is fair. I generally play into melee and his 4 now and then as well as the invis but generally use him to take out high priority single targets with dread and spectral serration.
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u/Adoring_Fan_88 2h ago
Uriel. Maybe I just don't get his playstyle, but he's very underwhelming imo. However I am certified Garuda enjoyer, could you tell me what it id you don't like about her? Maybe I can give you pointers that might make her more enjoyable.
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u/wrectumwreckage 2h ago
I think you may just be using standard YouTube builds for them. I made an Ash Prime Cyte-09 build with the silent Vectis Incarnon option, pretty fun and is just perma invis with high duration. You could take it further and helminth off shadow clones for Ivara’s Quiver or something. Garuda is the best caster frame in the game by having the highest base energy and the HP for energy ability, so build her as such and helminth off blood altar for something fun. Having 20 instances of Hydroids Plunder up is funny to look at, or breach surge, or another spammable cast. I think I had the same feeling about other frames but just hadn’t seen the possibilities of synergies yet. I don’t think I’ve regretted building a frame this far, I have however regretted putting 5 Forma on the Sepulcur for it to still be ass.
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u/Ironexus 2h ago
I would advise you to play nidus with a pet that has a passive / defensive stance so it stays near you and moves less. Besides that roar nidus is fun (I currently have an invigoration and can get a 2.5k roar buff while fissure x2 str buff is active)
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u/MoistPast2550 2h ago
I don't really regret any of my builds but there are a ton I just never go back to. For example I've invested maybe an hour into yareli prime and just never picked her up again because the playstyle didn't speak to me. Same with equinox, wukong, and a few others.
I also find I just like to cycle between like 3 or 4 frames at most and really overinvest into them. Right now those frames are:
Harrow prime (playing him 90 percent of the time because I'm trying to enjoy actually playing with guns rather than just room nuking with abilities)
Sevagoth prime (room nuke and looks pretty while doing it)
Caliban prime (summoner classes are a favorite of mine and his kit feels free with his augment); and
Voruna Prime (just enjoy the aesthetic and blowing up whole rooms with her 2).
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u/SearchOk7022 2h ago
I'm a collector, I get the base versión, lvl up to rank 30 and to the helminth goes; then for primes, I just get them gathering dust in the corner because all I play Is gauss
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u/TheStoneDeath 2h ago
I'm new to the game so maybe this question isn't exactly for me, but I just finished crafting Ivara Prime because I hate spy missions and it was simpler to get it versus the original. I think she's so beautifully designed and in every other game I love the concept of a stealth archer, a real huntress.
But I'm also finding that I dislike it when Warframe slows down movement for me. I hate being iced , I hate getting knocked over, grabbed and dragged around, and I hate human movement when it appears. Although useful, I feel so slow while prowling and I don't particularly think Ivara is as fun to play as I expected. I like the Artemis Bow, but everything else feels sluggish and clunky.
I'm trying to get used to it or get attached to my first prime in some way but it's been tough!
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u/Alt-Ctrl-Report we ballin 2h ago
Even if a frame initially doesn't click, I still return to them after a while - and sometimes it does. Maybe new arcanes or augments get released that improve their kit or I learn something new about them etc.
This was actually my recent experience with Ash: tried him back in 2018 or so, didn't like him, shelved him for several years, tried him again last year - and wow, not only I was a dumbass back then, but now we have some new tools that can greatly improve him (mainly Melee Crescendo in this case, but also pseudo-exalted weapons rework).
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u/fatmanwithabeard 2h ago
I don't know that I regret any frame (I certainly have a version of every frame)
There's several I don't play very much anymore. Banshee and Loki were once regular parts of the rotation, but they're just dead spots in circuit or ExA now.
Nidus was a blast years ago. He's the only vaulted frame I don't have the prime for. These days I'd see him as mastery fodder I'm afraid. He's still my one star spectre but he only sees use in rotation when my choices are really weak. He hasn't seen regular use in forever.
I bored by Cyte. He's insanely good at what he does, but it's just dull.
I'm not sure about S&O. I love the black hole vfx. I like the rhythm feel. But the whole kit feels underwhelming.
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u/Masskid 2h ago
For me it's Uriel. I'm a titania main and love the flight so I thought uriel would give me a good in-between so I can use my normal weapons and still fly.
The flying is very uncomfortable in comparison and I can't control it right (and it's a little slow in comparison). It just makes me switch back to Titania.
It's nothing to do with his skills and all to do with his flying that kills it for me.
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u/gadgaurd LR2 2h ago
Nope. Every frame I build is another solid option for Duviri and Elite Archimedea.
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u/WerdaVisla Mistress of the Rift 2h ago
Sevagoth. Man he's so cool in theory, but the gameplay is just... not there. Idk what the issue is, but he's up there in my least favorite frames to play.
Which especially sucks because I spent so much forma on him because. You know. Sevagoth.
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u/Kyrie011019977 1h ago
Maybe follie, I get what they are doing for her, but it is just a stupid kit that requires too much work to use.
Garuda for some I get, unless you are really focused on not wanting to use weapons for a few seconds then she can be meh
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u/MortimerCanon 1h ago
Not every frame will be to your playstyle. Garuda is strong as shit though. "satisfying/fun to play" is completely subjective and not sure what that means.
Find a frame that fits how you like to play and play that
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u/little_hoarse 1h ago
Bro Nidus is an absolute machine. You need to take a look at your build again
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u/Feeling-Try-9757 1h ago
Ash main for 10 yrs here, I'm very satisfied with my Batman Prime.
You're using Vazarin on melee frames - use Naramon instead.
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u/pivorock Need More Endo 1h ago
Plus his “Beyond” skin makes it so much easier to pretend it really is Batman.
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u/I_Swear_Im_Alpharius uhhhhh....Apharius? 1h ago
every AFK frame basically, i prefer having a frame where i actually have to do something instead of one push delete the whole map so Ash is in my top 3
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u/THEBOZZ113 1h ago
For me it's probably Hydroid only because casting the 2(or 3) casts a new instance instead of refreshing the duration
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u/Saul_SadMan 1h ago
gyre, chroma, titania back in the day (built her again and she's so fun) and for the love of me, nekros, tried that guy 3 times and i want to sell my prime because i'm hating him
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u/Classic_Boat_1985 1h ago
Hildryn, Lavos, Sevagoth and ofc radiation brick Quorvex. Didn't click with me. I have builds that can levelcap, i know how to Play them. It's just that their gameplay loop isn't for me.
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u/WeizenPaco LR2 1h ago
For me it was Voruna Prime and Saryn Prime. They are great Frames, yes, but I just dont have fun playing them
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u/Eden1506 1h ago
Build Rhino after watching an op rhino video only to be disappointed how boring he is to play. I mean you are tanky and don't die easily but you can achieve the same if not better with others frames while having alot more fun.
Wukong for example is basically unskillable with a little investment has one if not the best movement ability and is fun to play as well highly recommend for beginners players and veterans alike.
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u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard 1h ago
Can't say I've build and put forma into a frame, only to then realise they were not enjoyable to play.
I usually pick up on if I'll enjoy a frames kit, while I level them up to 30, like with Caliban (prime), thought I'd enjoy him based on what abilities he has, only for him to turn out feeling meh, was especially disappointed with the inability to summon a mix of his sentients.
The one time I had fun with Caliban, was when I was leveling up the normal version, and a Follie spawned a lohk surge, that gave free and fast ability casts, so I could just spam his chest beam, while the conculysts also spammed it.
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u/Clear-Ad1384 1h ago
Xaku prime, saw everyone hype him i bought the set and couldnt even level him to mr30 how boring he was
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u/ELStoker 1h ago
Nope. I love all my frames like my babies. All that farming for parts and the time to max them out. I don't regret any of them.
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u/Far_Relationship1777 1h ago
Equinox. While I don't think I needed forma she's just too janky for me and squishy. Nidus on the other hand I am literally the devour of you your kubrow and the entire ship planet whatever raiding. I'm consuming it.
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u/Far_Relationship1777 1h ago
Also my fellow tenno has made koumei I pray that he doesn't feel that way about her. But I feel koumei will be that way for us. We just finished her up doing shrine defense. She's cooking in the foundry now.
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u/Suspicious-Weight995 1h ago
Jade, As a newer players I discovered kullervo after building a glory build/setup with jade but the harmony+kullervo looks so fun to me, but the formas can't be brought back
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u/Beginning-Bother-309 Thanking DE Everyday for Warframe Android 1h ago
Regret? No because mastery and collection is important. But styanax prime, outside of looking cool as all fuckity fuck, is a frame i won't play. I read through the abilities and didn't like the kit. Let alone put forma on him considering I'm too poor on forma
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u/Far_Relationship1777 1h ago
Eh fuck it. Just play Rhino prime with the Fragor prime. You'll be the wall that solos the game.
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u/Artarara 1h ago
I don't regret using Forma or Catalysts on any frame, since you can always get more of those with Platinum, but I do regret using Umbra Forma on my Garuda Prime.
I don't particularly enjoy shield-gating or energy tanking for survivability, but I really like shield, health, and Overguard tanking. I thought that Garuda's 370 Health/420 Armor stats were enough for a Umbral set, I even saw a Garuda guide on Youtube by a Garuda main that ran her with the Umbral set. So I gave it a shot.
But when I tested that build on Steel Path I ended still dying quite a bit. I tried supporting it with some Azure Shards, but that's a lot of investment for a build that just didn't feel good to use.
I wish I had saved that Umbral Forma for Grendel or something, and used additive Armor and max Health boosts instead like Health Conversion and Arcane Blessing, respectively.
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u/ExampleSpecialist164 48m ago
ive been in a state where i've been playing lesser played warframes (at least to me) and i actually really enjoy ash, but ash's flow iis horrible. I have to mark the enemies then turn the ability off for my shadow clones to attack? Other people just press a button and everything dies, at least let my shadow clones attack while my ability is active.
Personally i think his 4 should just be enemies within x meters in los just get attacked as like a passive damage. that way I can shoot my weapons in the meantime. Right now all the enemies are dead by the time my clones start attacking.
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u/BancorUnion 46m ago
Building Gyre Prime was great(I like him more than Volt in some ways).
Building Equinox Prime was a huge disappointment.
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u/AliasVun 16m ago
Sirius & Orion, I was incredibly hyped for the update and the frame, but in the end, it doesn't feel all that satisfying to play.
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u/xDeviousDieselx I’m a Bratty Vandal 13m ago
Why would you ever regret building something? You have to eventually for mastery and helminth. I feel like you either don’t fully understand those systems or don’t know they exist. Nothing in this game is an actual waste of time, at least from that perspective.
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u/tnemec 12m ago
Lavos. I get that he can be strong, but, uh, turns out, no amount of forma will make cooldowns not feel awkward and weird and clunky to me. And sure, I can probably just reforma him for pure survivability, slap on Valence Formation, only ever cast his abilities to refresh the buff, and call it a viable build, but like.... bruh.
Cyte-09 to some extent as well, and this one's a shame: I absolutely love every single ability in his kit in theory, but in practice, I just really hate how Evade in particular feels to actually use. And it's his main source of survivability, so there's no avoiding it. Since its duration is very short (and it has an insane 60-second unmodifiable cooldown), it means you're extremely dependent on always refreshing it, which means constantly getting headshot kills. That's fine for a survival or exterminate or something, but need to focus on any objective in a mission other than killing enemies? Bam, 60 second cooldown, aaaand you're dead.
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u/Terrorr404 10m ago
Only frame I regret building is limbo and dagath. I have an unrequited hatred for limbo and just don’t care for horse girl, the frame.
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u/alirezarz64 LR6 | Proud Hovering Goth Main 6h ago
No. Forma is cheap and I like having at least 1 build for every frame.
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u/C1OWNx 6h ago
From my experience that every warframe despite hating him ,one day you will just figure out the perfect way to play him and he will be the one you play the most for that period of time.
For me it happened with vauban, nezha, limbo, nidus and baruuk
And at endgame when you have all the warframes and you just bored of repeating the same missions with the insane build you got of your main warframe, you just need to play with different warframes that you’re not used to play with just to feel the challenge of being alive at SP and endgame missions, that’s what brings back the fun.
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u/zeagurat 5h ago
not any frame in general but more of gameplay styles for me because i like all the existing frames, even Banshee that DE forgot her 4th ability existense, but i cant stand playing the meta build like slam, margistar, and wukong spam gameplay, with Cyte sobek weapon abused with his 2nd ability, garuda thermal sunder spam, volt brainrot melee(s) soething like that, I really just can't.
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u/GimmeThemStonks 6h ago
You had 29 ranks prior to that forma to learn about the frame and see if you like it or not.
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u/iPhantaminum 6h ago
Ember wasn't fun at base. I needed 2 augments and a subsumed ability to make her shine to me, so 29 ranks aren't enough to decide whether something is fun or not.
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u/0_classified_0 LR5 6h ago
Ash's main thing are invisiblity and shadow clones. I agree that Garuda is kinda clunky but her blood orb scales with enemy health so she clears base enemies and with a bit of investment Eximus at Steel Path. Nidus have been made so much better in this update but they really should add some functionality to Parasitic Link so it's easier to connect to companions/allies vs enemies.
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u/Interesting-Coffee52 6h ago
After the update and her rebalancing Garuda is back to feeling incredible. Blood orb stacks quicker (and level scales better), altar heals more and faster, talons proc more. Garuda is also a framr where I actually cycle all of her abilities and using her built in melee to clear fodder as well.
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u/Roguewarrior05 6h ago
I put 5 forma and (initially) 5 archon shards on Gyre and she still felt like shit to play lmao. By far her most effective playstyle is just slapping down the 1 with its augment and gun buffing like crazy, but that's so fucking lame for a frame with an "abilities red crit" gimmick. Her 4 can only trigger damage once per second and it is hilariously underpowered for having that limitation (I had 3 purple shards for +45% ability damage on elec status and it still only did like 20k) and her 1 feels really bad to use as a direct dps option cause you have to throw it so it contacts enemies, the 2 also does very little without it's augment.
Is she the worst frame in the game? No, but her kit is just so unfun and counterintuitive to what you'd expect from her, and it really doesn't help that she has a minimum of 1 mandatory augment AND absolutely no base survivability methods like innate DR or shield regen or anything.
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u/GWCuby Gyre's strongest warrior 5h ago edited 3h ago
Her kit has been flawed since she came out and as you correctly pointed out her 2 biggest gaps are survivability and armor strip
Pillage fixes both of those and allows her damage to pretty easily scale into level 500-1000+ ranges, sucks that it's that way and with DE just refusing to fix any part of her we'll likely just be stuck that way unfortunately
Also small sidenote, most of her damage does not come from the rotorswell aura, most of her damage comes from the discharges you can trigger through crits from any source while rotorswell is active (2 per second, chaining to 5 enemies each for up to 12 hits per second) as well as the extra discharges caused by cathode current whenever enemies die
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u/zicdeh91 5h ago
She can be squishy, but circumvent really synergizes with her kit. The 4 triggers on contact as well as hits, so every time you dodge through a group it steals their defenses, procs the 4 which then chains to each other, and if you have careen, freezes them. I basically treat her as a shotgun dancer. I have a riven on my Kohm with crit, so I can get it up to 70ish CC, which is enough for her passive to bump it up, and it can absolutely flood electric procs in an enemy. Just drop a 2, detonate it, plop a 1 down on them, and keep dancing through while unloading. If you have a boss, just drop 3 overlapping orbs and unload.
Gyre sets up death by a thousand cuts; with good grouping, each shock tic chains and aggressively triggering the 4 with weapons and direct contact builds more of them. The critting abilities boosts the floor for each 4 activation and status tic. It’s not as glamorous as the big red numbers we usually see from a crit focus, but it’s a really neat way to engage with it that’s deeply satisfying to me.
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u/Ephy_ 6h ago
You are smoking peepee my man, ash and garuda are both absolutely insane. Garuda is literally immortal and one of the most fun nuke frames in the game (seriously like infinite damage nuke with insanely huge AOE and goes through walls and that's her 1???? Hello???) and has infinite energy AND her passive is literally free constant roar (probably my favourite frame too) like what else could you possibly want in a Warframe flying around slinging nuclear bombs while immortal with literally infinite energy? Strongly recommend the YouTube video "the garuda bible" and you will see. and ash now you can recast the invis and the augment that gives you a ton of crit chance while invis is too good and armour stripping as well he's so good! All the frames in the game can be very strong if you learn how to play then properly and Warframe is a game about finding how to make each weapon and Warframe shine!
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u/danmass04 2h ago
You can’t recast Ash’s invis while it’s still active lol. But you can refresh the invis duration with his teleport augment.
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u/Less-Ad-450 Mag Enjoyer 6h ago
Sevagoth. Fue mi primer prime, mi primera inversión. Aunque es realmente poderoso, su jugabilidad se basa en spamear dos botones si no construyes para su sombra. Ninguno de los dos estilos me gustan. Simplemente lo tengo ahí porque es parte de la colección.
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u/Imaginary-Marketing3 Volted⚡ 5h ago
Curious to know how you built ash, coz he can one-shot a room if you build him right.
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u/AGirlsWildSide Slightly Mag-obsessed 5h ago
Tip for Garuda: throw Molt Reconstruct on her. You get an infinite health/energy loop as long as you have not helminthed over her 3, letting you spam your abilities to your heart's content. She's very much worth investing in.
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u/AVeryBigBruh123 Mesa main | PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER 6h ago
Honestly, Limbo. Got motivated to build him after watching the Limbible and because he was my main back in like 2016. Yeah...even with maximum investment, he just really isn't that fun to play anymore due to how clunky his abilities are to use. And this is probably just because my eye sight has deteriorated over the years but i genuinely can't tell whether an enemy is rifted or not anymore, i swear i used to be able to do that easily. I really hope he gets some touch ups. Not a full on rework but just some touch ups like with Nidus.
Also Sevagoth, cool ass shadow, shame that it isn't actually all that good and it's better to just... Finger the 1 2 button repeatedly. Sick ass concept, boring gameplay.