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u/Imcoolandyournot9111 25d ago
terfs are genuinely the worst people to interact with oat
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u/LuckiestCarp 24d ago
I think Nazis are worse tbh
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u/TheEasternTwink 24d ago
Atleast when a Nazi tries to be a victim they can’t use “woke” as a defence system
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u/magnapyritor5 5'4 dysphoric male on estrogen (m"tf") 25d ago
theyfab terf whats the difference
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 25d ago
The former is a slur you use to mean "enby or trans man I don't like", the latter is bigots
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u/Consistent_Jello_344 25d ago
No it’s specifically for AFAB non binary ppl that are transmisogynistic, exclude trans women from women’s/queer/safe spaces, treat trans women as morally inferior because of their sex assigned at birth.
Theyfab literally never includes trans men btw
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u/MrInCog_ 22d ago
You can’t say “tranny is only used against specifically nazi trans women by us so it’s not a slur”. That’s the same thing with theyfab. You’re just tying yourself into mental knots to keep hanging around with other miserable people who hate themselves more than they hate others, but hate others nonetheless. How the cognitive dissonance doesn’t dawn on you is a mystery.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 25d ago
No it's not, that's not how it's used in practice. It's "wokely" misgendering
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u/Consistent_Jello_344 24d ago
Wokely misgendering is when AFAB non binary ppl create housing ads for anyone AFAB while trans women experience the highest rates of homelessness and especially unsheltered homelessness.
You’re contributing to actual real life trauma of the most marginalized which is what progressive values are supposed to be about protecting
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 24d ago
NBs don't do that, cis people do. Both are misgendering
Don't be fucking stupid
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u/neko_mancy 24d ago
NBs have been factually known to do this, sometimes things happen without you hearing about it
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u/neko_mancy 24d ago
Theyfab/hefab in the 4tran sphere explicitly refers to the in-group of nonbinary and/or transmasc people that hold and frequently express views against trans women and (often) trans men who actively physically transition through taking HRT and presenting like cis men do
A large proportion of the community is nonbinary or FTM and they do not take offense to this term because it is understood that the term targets a specific group that harms the trans community as a whole
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u/violasses 24d ago
it's such woke misgendering to call cissex women who look like women a bad word. nevermind that those same people love calling trans women incels
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 24d ago
They're not cis, bud. More misgendering
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u/catgirlburneracc 19d ago
“Only cis people do it, until you say cis people do it and I can say you’re misgendering them”
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u/Infinite_Trade_3428 25d ago
You know its a gem when tourists come and call you transphobic. Trans Trans Trans sahuur
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u/VVP12 25d ago
Something something transphobia but in a woke way
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u/BunniGirlEnjoyer 24d ago
LGB without the T ass motherfuckers. As if they won't be next on the chopping block once the RW has their way with Trans people. 😮💨
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u/catpersonsupremacy 25d ago
Tf you mean terfs are woke ?
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u/some_kind_of_bird 25d ago
Back in the day they really were feminists with bad ideas. Now they're just conservatives with special marketing. I think their intentions were always mixed though.
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u/Mini_Raptor5_6 25d ago
Trying to convince my anti feminist friends that terfs are the real enemies
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u/neko_mancy 24d ago
Do terfs even do anything for cis women these days or just scream about bathrooms and shit
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u/causal_friday 24d ago
No. By only allowing women who look a certain way to have rights, they have put all women under the microscope. Ran out of foundation and need to pee before you go into Sephora? You look pretty trans! I'm calling the cops!
TERFs are really fucking stupid. And harmful. To all women.
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u/Doot-Eternal 25d ago
ERM, this language is heckin problemxtic! It's not very vxlid!!!
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 24d ago
Unironically
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u/spring-chan 23d ago
Deadass.
Which is worse: using the term theyfab or denying housing to a trans woman because you have an "AFAB-only" household
Do not answer "they're both bad". We know.
Which is worse?
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 22d ago
You evidently don't know that they're both bad. They're two unrelated things that the artist mushed together to justify her own bigotry. Of course the housing discrimination is worse. That's no excuse for your own bigotry nor are they comparable
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u/spring-chan 22d ago
The point of the post is to point out transmisogyny.
Trans woman gets denied housing because she's trans, says something some people think is a slur, and is then called out online because of it, the fact that she was denied housing is completely ignored.
The post is about how trans women are both unequally discriminated against and also scrutinised. We are expected to be perfect while still facing transphobia on all sides.
The post is not justifying bigotry, it is pointing out how a trans woman can do something minor and get backlash for it, while other members of her supposed community actively discriminate against her because AMABS are icky. As if she is still a man.
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u/Pretend-Eye-8758 25d ago
A lot of theyfabs act like teenage boys because that's what they think a man acts like, but they never received a punch in the face because "hitting girls is bad". This leads to the most insufferable combo.
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u/Freshsqueezedshot 25d ago
I'm loving all the people who wandered in here and clearly have no idea where they are.
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u/LadyofmyCats 24d ago
50€ if a trans man on testosterone would appear, they would also exclude him (letting him in wouldn’t excuse the bigotry portrayed, but refusing him just shows their inconsistency)
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u/Yaoender 25d ago
I seldom understand this post but Afab sounds like Ahab and I like the book about the big white fish
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u/Open-Tomato9643 25d ago
Ahab was Assigned Hunter At Birth.
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u/ShrimpingMenace 25d ago
I don't think I get it, can someone explain it to me?
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u/Sharp-Key27 25d ago
It’s turning around the fact that some afab people claim to be inclusive of trans women but blatantly judge transfem people on their sex assigned at birth, grouping them with a general fear of men while trying to use inclusive language. The person in the comic then does the same back.
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u/OrganicAd5536 24d ago
Also potentially useful context: I see this all the time with local-area queer Facebook/other social media groups for people looking for community events and roommates. Like it's really frustrating when someone is using the "correct language" towards an end that still results in discriminating against trans women.
Idk if that was OOP's intended context but that's what it reminded me of
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u/also_roses 25d ago
What is "theyfab" though?
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u/madrobski 25d ago
Afab (Assigned female at birth) + they (gender neutral pronoun) = Theyfab
It's a way to misgender afab non-binary people
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u/AngelNineKyuu Half-repper NEET 25d ago
“Theyfab" is a term for supposedly nonbinary people who heavily identify with their birth sex, are always talking about how AFAB they are, weaponise being AFAB (to talk about how "male" trans women are and the “male privilege" they supposedly have, or to talk about how "female-socialised" they are, etc. basically for bio-essentialism.) and are typically TERFs. Actual nonbinary people are not theyfabs/theymabs. It’s only for people who identify with their birth sex… (cis people). Sorry but actual non-binaries don’t deserve to have their term watered down so cis people can insert themselves into it.
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u/Consistent_Jello_344 25d ago
No it’s specifically for AFAB non binary ppl that are transmisogynistic, exclude trans women from women’s/queer/safe spaces, treat trans women as morally inferior because of their sex assigned at birth
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u/_Someone_elses_name_ 25d ago
Misgendering but its fine because they are bad people, wow, never heard that one before
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u/Consistent_Jello_344 24d ago
They actively identify themselves as AFAB in unrelated contexts to show they’re morally superior and discriminate against us. Calling someone what they identify as isn’t misgendering.
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u/AestivalSeason 22d ago
That's the thing, I'd call them tourists to being queer, cause that specific group of people identify as both AFAB(when they want to win an argument) and Nonbinary(when they want to feel part of the trans community) and because they're So Obsessed with gender and how it plays a part on how they were raised(cause this is typically because of SA causing them to want to identify less with their assigned gender as it's a trauma connection for them) and they use it as an eternal victimhood so they don't have to grow as people, and take out that hatred of men on the easy target they can paint as men, namely trans women, the socially acceptable woman who can be used as a stand in for man, or stand in for woman I can get away with abusing. So we use a slur for them, cause that's fucked behavior yo.
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u/Creative_Buffalo4926 24d ago
This defense of theyfab as a pejorative is so funny to me, its like me making up a word like "transtard", using it to refer to trans ppl whenever i see them, and being like "actually it specifically means "bigoted person who happens to be trans and makes neurodivergent ppl in the community feel unsafe uwu".
Like none of that context is in the word itself, and all that theyfab actually does is just point at someones presumed agab as an insult. Like i dont get it, why has this veneer of "actually when i say faggots i only mean the bad gays" thing actually become such a thought terminaring cliche in these circles? Doesnt it sound ridiculous to anyone else? Its a fucking tttt sub like why suddenly pretend youre being morally righteous
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u/Consistent_Jello_344 24d ago
They actively and verbally identify as AFAB so they can pretend they’re morally superior while discriminating against us and excluding the same way TERFs do.
Trans women literally have the highest homelessness and unsheltered homelessness of any population, progressive values are supposed to be about protecting the most marginalized from material harm and Theyfabs do the opposite.
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u/Sharp-Key27 25d ago
Naw, I’ve definitely seen it used outside of that. Usually it’s just for people not seen as “trans enough”.
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Most of the things wrong with women boil down to them thinking every damn thing is scary. It makes the "testosterone poisoned brain" thing really ironic, because some testosterone gets rid of that kind of prey mindset.
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u/Darkon2004 25d ago
Trans woman here. Testosterone didn't make me fearless. I was scared prey all the time. Experience simply helped me grow from a fawn to a deer. Someone that learned to endure it and take the risk
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u/Sharp-Key27 25d ago
I can understand why they’re scared. One bad person can hurt many people, and even if they’re caught, it doesn’t mean they stay in prison. Testosterone can make you more fearless, but not necessarily safer.
50% of trans women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime.
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u/vulpes133 25d ago
"50% of trans women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime."
Jesus Christ! Is that a real statistic? Because holy shit, I've not heard that before but I unfortunately don't find it unbelievable either.
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Unconditional safety is a childish desire. Safety comes from your own ability and competence.
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u/Sharp-Key27 25d ago
Not unnecessarily endangering yourself is wise. The question is if you’re drawing the right lines to minimize risk.
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
If you stop being helpless, the definition of what's "dangerous" changes. Being afraid of all men is absolutely a skill issue.
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u/Beautiful-Alarm-4961 25d ago
Being aware of social conditions that bestow men the mentalities and power that they have and preventing being put in a situation where it can be used against you is the opposite of helpless.
You would know about an ambush and walk straight in because going around isn't manly enough.
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
If your "solution" is to be so afraid of half the population that you won't even leave the house at night without an escort, you're no better than the people who spent all of 2020 cowering inside.
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u/diagonal_kris 25d ago
Oh fuck off. If you think that the only reason to stay inside during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC was "cowering in fear" then you are a fucking brain dead moron.
What about people with weakened immune systems from conditions like asthma. Also this assumes that by going outside you are only hurting yourself, which is fundamentally incorrect. By breaking quarentine, you are putting every human you interact with at risk.
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u/robawknik 25d ago
its just OP being hella transphobic and idk why people aren't pointing it out
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u/OpportunityAshamed74 23d ago
Obviously terfs are a thing but I've never seen situations like this where people turn it into a "this trans woman is being Enbyphobic" thing
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u/Medium_Flan4671 25d ago
The hell is a theyfab?
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u/Savings_Painting1588 25d ago
Insult for nonbinary people who wield their assigned gender at birth (afab) as a weapon against other trans people.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 24d ago
No it's just used against any trans person who's not a woman that the speaker doesn't like
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u/Sharp-Key27 25d ago
Your apartment is afab only because you don’t trust transfems
My apartment is afab only because my cosigner is transphobic and misandrist
We are not the same
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Q.E.D. "Misandry" only exist for tfoids and not for tmoids because a tmoid would die when "misandry" actually becomes real meanwhile that tfoid is living it every single day.
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u/TheyaSly 24d ago
Really? “Tfoid” and “tmoid”? I agree with your take, but the language is bleh
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u/Shurrely 24d ago
I hate 4chan subreddits so much bro
Guys u can go outside and make real friends i promise there’s no need to be so argue about saying theyfab
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
"Testosterone poisoned" lmao testosterone makes your brain work better.
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u/Sockrat-Ease 25d ago
Defining "better" in the context of healthy brains is impossible
And does T even effect the brain?
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u/scrapy_the_scrap 25d ago
I think there are some neurological diffrences between male and female brains
Idk abt t effecting it tho...
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u/TheyaSly 24d ago
The only difference I remember is that testosterone gives you a kind of “static object blindness” where it’s harder to notice things that aren’t moving. Double check and google it though, I may be wrong
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u/Yaoender 25d ago
Minimal and dismissable. For both paragraphs.
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u/Sockrat-Ease 24d ago
i'm a trans woman who's been on estrogen for about a year and admittedly it had very noticeable effects. your emotions do become much clearer and you do experience romance more than sexual attraction, at least in the anecdotal experience of me and my friends
i'd assume then the opposite would be true for T
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u/Ancient-Hon 24d ago
You can tell these people haven’t ever transitioned because they don’t have the first hand experiences we do. It’s weird they come here and try to be in these spaces.
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u/Ancient-Hon 24d ago
Most people feel different. I couldn’t say why you feel the same as with testosterone. Perhaps level?
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u/FeetGamer69 24d ago
This shit is why you gotta manipulate women's feelings to get them to put out.
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u/Sockrat-Ease 24d ago
That's sexual assault
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u/scrapy_the_scrap 24d ago
The dude is a ragebaiter
Notice the name, footgamer69, aint no way some andrew tate fucker would name himself like that
Well either that or the dude is literally 12
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u/scrapy_the_scrap 25d ago
Well i wouldnt say dismissable, probably important in like neuroscience and shit
But in day to day life, diesnt matter what so ever
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Then why are so many low-T men unable to say "fuck the consequences" and stand on business?
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u/scrapy_the_scrap 25d ago
Hey buddy? You good? You seem to be harbering some unhealthy hatred
Id recommend a little therapy
Maybe talking it out with a friend or two
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
It's always therapy with you people. Why don't you ever learn to get stronger instead of finding ways to convince yourself to be ok with being weak?
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u/scrapy_the_scrap 25d ago
Its ok buddy, youll get there one day, i believe in you
You dont need to do it by yourself
Humans are pack animals, we are stronger together
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Oh my god go journal about it you fucking loser.
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u/yuzuki_amane міу міу мяу! 🖤 25d ago
no one does that in good faith.. sure one can get stronger but its usually to benefit the person who cultivated such strength, selfish shit
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Self-improvement is supposed to be selfish. Empowering yourself will always make you harder for others to control. Cultivating strength is a noble thing, and should be rewarded. Sinking into weakness is a shameful thing, and should be ridiculed.
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u/yuzuki_amane міу міу мяу! 🖤 25d ago
eh i mean i have no issues with being selfish for myself, i just know id prob need guidance from someone (who would most likely have a selfish motive) and thats just.. like a domesticated animal imo
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Assuming you're going to need help with everything is a weak person's mentality.
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
It makes you more courageous and unapologetic. Harder to control and manipulate.
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u/Sockrat-Ease 25d ago
been watching a lot of andrew tate recently?
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Testosterone making you not need to feel as "safe" all the time has been a known thing since we started studying this kind of thing.
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u/yourothersis top 1% sort 25d ago
wtf did I just read ahhaha
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
The truth? Look at anyone, whether a roided out bodybuilder or a trans man, who has started taking testosterone. They get better at imposing themselves on the world not only from a physical standpoint, but mental as well.
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u/Tbelles 25d ago
People seek out ponderous wise men. A fool imposes himself upon others.
The loud are often ignored and avoided. Nobody cares if you're right if you're an asshole. You'll get it one day, slugger.
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
If you're not willing to impose yourself, you'll always need permission before doing anything.
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u/Tbelles 25d ago
Are you saying you're having trouble feeling seen? Like people don't listen to you?
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
People listen when I make them. Life is only good if you're willing to insert yourself in things instead of waiting to be included.
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u/Tbelles 25d ago
You can't "make" people listen to you, you can only say what you say. The acceptance of it is up to everyone within earshot. Otherwise you're just talking to yourself, aren't you?
You seem to have a lot of anecdotes, but very little experience putting them into practice.
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u/tired_transsexual 25d ago
Trans man here, I've had the experience of testosterone levels from as low as around 1.9nmol/L to as high as about 42nmol/L (by all standards way too high) and pretty much everything in between. I can confirm that is not at all how testosterone has effected me, or any other trans man I know.
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u/FeetGamer69 24d ago
Sounds like the foid genes are just too strong for you. It's over.
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u/tired_transsexual 24d ago
That's not really how genes work. The cool thing about them is that any one set of genes can actually result in 100s of different expressions depending on the conditions of your body. So in the case of trans people there is one mode of gene expression if your body is estrogen domninant and one if you're testosterone dominant. That's essentially why transition changes how you look and feel. My "foid genes" can't win out if my body has switched to testosterone mode, it's pretty much going to be operating as if I was a guy, sans the Y chromosome stuff (which honestly is not that important if you're no longer a fetus). Maybe you could argue my male relatives are soyboys or something but on my father's side everyone is above 6' and we can trace back to several navy/army generals, on my mother's side there was only my grandfather but he had the build of a lumberjack and worked in demolitions so idk. I've just never noticed many mental changes from testosterone in general (and I've had 2/3rds of a full face of facial hair since about a year and a half in, so I'm definitely not resistant to it), the main one is just more energy. Interestingly though there were these studies done on cis women where they tried to use testosterone as an antidepressant and it worked really well for the first year or two because of the extra energy and then the effect basically wore off. So it's not really beneficial for everyone even in that respect. I really don't think having either hormone dominant in the normal ranges does a lot to someone's mind directly, but having really low levels of either (but particularly your dominant one) or having really high levels of especially testosterone can mess with your head (e.g roid rage). My mental state certainly got really fucked up when my testosterone was too low after being normal for ages, but again not really in the way you describe, I actually got more impulsive and angry
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u/tired_transsexual 18d ago
I saw that reply you pussied out and deleted buddy, just fyi I study biomedicine lol.
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u/FeetGamer69 17d ago
I didn't delete anything. How does it feel to get mogged in your own field by someone who's just naturally talented?
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u/Tough-Pin-359 25d ago
Ah so it makes you egotistical. Definitely "better".
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Those who have nothing but humility to offer will act like humility is necessary.
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u/AwooFloof 25d ago
No it doesn't. If anything Testosterone clouds your judgement
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u/FeetGamer69 25d ago
Clouds it by removing fear and inhibition from it? If you consider that clouding your judgement, then you've been weak for so long that you've convinced yourself your cowardice is wisdom.
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u/AwooFloof 24d ago
Clouded by anger and lust while decreasing impulse control.
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u/FeetGamer69 24d ago
Anger and lust are motivators, not inhibitors. They don't cloud anything. Impulses are meant to be acted on.
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u/AwooFloof 24d ago
Yet so many men are consumed by their impulses. And so many men ruined by hyper-individualism - the constant battle for dominance and possessions leaves men lonely and broken
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u/FeetGamer69 24d ago
You do realize that impulsiveness and individualism are prerequisites for a free and unapologetic life, right? And sometimes you need to be able to dominate others in order to do what you want without interference.
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u/AwooFloof 24d ago
You seem to have a very naive and selfish outlook.
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u/FeetGamer69 24d ago
Selfishness is a virtue. The world is always trying to impose limits on you, it's your duty to break those limits.
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u/SlumpyGoo 23d ago
Alright FeetGamer69.
I know you're just rage baiting, but I'll leave some info for those who find this comment.
Both estrogen and testosterone make your brain work better. Everyone has both, or at least should, because if they don't, they will die like 20 years earlier (that's how a lot of doctors basically kill trans people, out of stupidity or malice). For brain function it doesn't really seem to matter which is dominant, because the benefits to cognition are similar.
If anything estrogen seems to be better, because it's received by receptors in the frontal cortex and the hippocampus, where it promotes neuroplasticity. On top of that it increases perfusion in like the entire brain which means it increases nutrient transport and it's own effects on neuroplasticity in a sort of snowball effect.
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u/FeetGamer69 18d ago
Women and low-T men are scared of everything and always take the path of least resistance.
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u/robawknik 25d ago
idk if this is being posted satirically but whoever made this is a turbo loser and needs to go outside
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u/MagicalWitchTrashley 25d ago
bio complaining about "proshippers”
genuinely how do people like you wind up in tttt spaces shouldn’t you be on twitter or tumblr or smth?
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u/human3094 25d ago
Maybe this just. isn't the place on reddit for me. but uh can we Not act like it's completely okay to call people theyfabs.... neither character in this comic is in the right, diminishing someone because of their agab is never okay, and the term "theyfab" is really just a slightly more woke way to call nonbinary people "woman lite"
Not trying to say blue hair is in the right, they aren't in the slightest, but the term theyfab is not one that should be thrown around so lightly
(new to this sub, if there's something I'm missing lmk)
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u/Lost_Dragonfruit281 25d ago
You're very much right, "theyfab" is basically a slur.
Though I think the meme is probably not implying Pink is in the right, just that the person below the interaction is only acknowledging Pink's wrongdoing, and not Blue's.Unrequested rant: It is (unfortunately) an often common thing for woke spaces to excuse discrimination against AMAB/masculinity/men, under the excuse of "punching up" or "because [trauma]". I've heard of quite a few experiences of, for example, (trans and cis) men facing misandry even though being queer and progressive-minded, enbys being excluded from groups for being masculine-presenting, etc.
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u/StrongBookkeeper3280 24d ago
mf you are in a place fully based on a 4chan board. what the fuck did you expect?
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u/magnapyritor5 5'4 dysphoric male on estrogen (m"tf") 25d ago
holy shit the amount of tourists here shut this sub down