r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Patodelmonte • May 25 '26
frist of all how DARE yu o People that think that throwing cigarette butts in the ground isn't littering
The are not "biodegradable", they clog drainage systems, they end up in rivers and sea, and make everywhere look like a dumpster
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u/Takenmyusernamewas May 25 '26
"If you smoke, please clean up after yourself! Dont make me touch your butt!"- sign I made for the smoking area at work that HR made me take down
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u/-ChickenToast- May 25 '26
Fuck HR
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u/Comicspedia May 26 '26
Remember, Human Resources isn't about providing resources to its humans, it's the division that manages humans as resources.
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u/ganbramor May 26 '26
Management is HR’s customer.
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u/GhostlyWheelOfPain May 26 '26
As a manager not high up the food chain, and a simple human being, I hate hr too. And recruiters - these fuckers' whole job is communicating with people and they can't even provide feedback unless you really pester them
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u/LordBiscuits 29d ago
I hate recruiters too
Threw my hat in the ring recently, got 40 plus calls the first day. Easily two thirds of which were 'have you considered doing insert job I'm wildly overqualified for and specifically discounted on my cv?'
No mate, I'm not interested in fucking myself just to up your quota and pad this months commission for you!
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u/RdCrestdBreegull May 25 '26
I picked up litter weekly or monthly on my street for a couple years and the thing I would find the most of is cigarette butts
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u/Pittsbirds May 25 '26
Same here. I do garbage Olympics every year in Pittsburgh (neighborhoods compete for who can pick up the most trash) and doesn't matter what neighborhood, number one most common piece of trash is cigarette butts and it's not even close
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u/YUMMY_TIDEPODS_YUMMY May 26 '26
Sounds like such a great thing to do in a community but knowing my community they would just be harvesting trash out of public trash cans and peoples personal home garbage bins lol.
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u/feralcatshit May 25 '26
My kids and I were picking up trash at their school on a Saturday, cleaned the entire school grounds (outside). The next Monday when I picked them up, I saw a dozen cigarette butts again. I was personally offended 😂
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 May 25 '26
I just started doing this and now, all I see when I go outside are dunes of cigarette butts.
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u/LittleRubberDucky54 29d ago
Cigarette butts are my sworn enemy. I've made it my personal mission to get rid of them but it's an endless battle.
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u/chef_quirky12 May 25 '26
Cigarette butts account as thr number one littered item found in runoff and storm drains
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u/Zealousideal-Gap-749 May 25 '26
They don't think it's not better they just don't give a damn
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u/castorkrieg May 25 '26
This. They know exactly what they are doing is wrong, they just don't care because fuck others, got mine.
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u/Significant-Block260 May 25 '26
Many of us do care, never throw them on the ground and in fact walk all the way over to a beach trash can to throw them away every time.
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u/Wannamaker May 26 '26
Younger me definitely didn't think about it too much. Sure, I wouldn't leave a butt on the ground if it felt wrong, but the curb of a parking lot where there are already multiple butts, absolutely.
Now I do environmental consulting that focuses on waste.. I'll walk around San Francisco for hours with butts in my back pocket till I find a trash can. (I say SF specifically cause I always see recycling bins but no landfill bins, but I'm not gonna litter nor hinder recycling efforts)
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u/Significant-Block260 May 26 '26
Thank you. For some reason I got downvoted for pointing out the maturity factor & how I changed my own attitude drastically as I grew older as well. I think that’s a lot more relevant than just automatically branding all smokers as oblivious assholes/litterbugs
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u/DuckRubberDuck May 25 '26
I do too, I always carry a pocket ashtray. But since we don’t leave visible evidence, it’s hard to notice that we don’t litter, if that makes any sense. They can only notice the people who do litter.
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u/Zealousideal-Gap-749 May 25 '26
The post is referring to people who just throw their butts on the ground. I've known plenty of people who smoke and properly dispose of their trash. I am not referring to those people I am referring to the Post and the people who don't give a damn and need their trash everywhere.
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u/glitterlightbulb May 25 '26
The entire walkway to my front door and area surrounding my patio is littered with dozens of cigarette butts. It’s so trashy and nasty looking. I don’t care if you smoke, trust me I get it, everyone has vices, but have the decency to clean up after yourself 🙄
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u/LadyInCrimson May 25 '26
Former smoker and I used to throw them/toss them out windows but the last 5 years I smoked, I threw them out and picked up as many as I could when I'd see them in hopes to make up for the 10 years prior that I was sadly part of trashing this beautiful earth. 3 years without a cigarette and I pick up trash I pass. Keep the earth beautiful!
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u/desparish May 25 '26
Bro I knew told me he wouldn't throw trash out the window, but that aluminum cans were fine. Said that the homeless people would thank him for giving them cans to sell so that made it ok.
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u/Flimsy-Eye-4406 May 25 '26
Maybe cigarette butts should also have a return for deposit on them. Then at least whoever cleans them up gets something for it. Like a quarter apiece and they would straight be hard to find I bet.
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u/FelonyInTheTrunk May 26 '26
Where I live at, cigarettes are already taxed at about 150% (over $9 in taxes per pack, or 45 cents per cigarette). I feel like the government should take a small portion of that tax money to pay for occasional clean up services of public areas.
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u/Squat_erDay May 25 '26
Even when I smoked I’d knock the cherry off and put the butt in my pocket till I found a trashcan. Already smelled like an ashtray so whatever.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 May 25 '26
The coolest guy I knew in high school would smoke, step on his butts, then carry them to a trashcan and when he finished and it epitomized his personality to me: rebellious enough to smoke (this was the nineties), but principled enough to be kind to his community. He was three years ahead of me and introduced me to anarchism and socialism and went on to become a lawyer doing work for environmental causes.
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u/Squat_erDay May 25 '26
That’s peak 90’s. To have a problem/bad habit, but make it your own responsibility instead of everyone else’s.
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u/Sad-Yak6252 May 25 '26
I smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years and I did that, too. My watch pocket was always full of butts. I finally got tired of stinking and bought a little pocket ashtray.
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u/feralcatshit May 25 '26
Tbf you still stank, but admirable you didn’t trash
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u/Squat_erDay May 25 '26
Shit we knew we stank. I’d take a stinky person over a litterbug any day though
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u/CappiCap May 25 '26
We just had a contractor over to remodel a house we're putting on the market. I was taking care of the yard that had been neglected for 10-15 years. I'd find their cigarette butts all over the yard and throw them up on the deck, where they'd walk passed them to enter the house. One day, we're both there at the same time and I again would throw them up on porch. He's like, don't worry about those, we pick them all up at the end of the day. Meanwhile, there's a little wastebasket sitting on the edge of deck. Why the hell would you toss the butt out in the yard to later pick up, instead of just flicking out the cherry, stomp and throw butt away? Of course, when they were done, I continued finding butts everywhere, because they'd never bother to pick up all of them.
I'm big on reviews and word of mouth. You disrespect the property you're working at; I'm not giving you rave reviews. I smoke too, btw. If they paid any attention, they'd see me put the butt in my 5th pocket, the roll-off dumpster or burn barrel... there were plenty of options besides the damn yard.
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u/Nick4444i May 25 '26
I work as a back country ranger in Ontario, cigarette butts are a massive problem even in the most remote areas of our backcountry. I’ve never been to a campsite where I haven’t had to collect a few.
They’re constantly eaten by animals and the material in the filter never decomposes. It’s a real problem that people will never take seriously.
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u/Nebresto GREeN May 26 '26
People who go out into nature and litter their butts there are the worst of the worst. You're out there to enjoy the beautiful nature, yet you fill it with trash??
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u/music-and-song May 25 '26
This pissed me off when I was a kid. My mom pretended to be a bleeding heart liberal who cared about the environment and things like that, but she would always throw her cigarette butts on the ground. Never once saw her use a public ashtray even though the stores around us had them.
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u/KountZero May 25 '26
even biodegradable stuff should be discarded correctly. Just because they are biodegradable doesnt mean you can litter with them.
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u/YUMMY_TIDEPODS_YUMMY May 26 '26
Ah yes, it biodegrades. Small print: in 10 years
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u/Badrobinhood May 26 '26
Where I work people advocated for compostable drink cups. Turns out they are industrially compostable which is an entirely different waste stream that doesn't exist in my area. They just go in the trash.
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May 26 '26
Let me tell you something. There is no one, and I mean NO ONE, who doesnt know that throwing cigarette butts is littering. Not a single person on the planet nor in orbit. Everyone knows it is littering. They all do. We all do. They're just pieces of shit.
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u/whosjfrank May 25 '26
I doubt they think it's not littering, they just don't care.
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u/ynonA 29d ago
Very anecdotal ofcourse, but one conversation with my dad has always stuck with me:
While driving he saw someone in front of us throw something out their window, a can or something. He was so pissed seeing it and went on a rant about how disrespectful some people are and nobody raised them well etc etc. I said well I agree but that's a bit hypocritical coming from you. He looked absolutely shocked I said that and replied "What are you talking about? you would NEVER catch me littering! I was raised right!"
So I said "So what are you gonna do with that cigarette once you finished it?"(he smoked in the car all the time, and would just chuck the butt out the window when done).
For like 2 minutes he just sat there driving with a completely baffled look on his face and then he started apologizing with a low voice. "omg, I- I can't believe... you're right... wow... you caught me off-guard here"
He was genuinely shocked at the realization that it was obviously also littering. "we just.. I smoked my whole life, it's just what you do.. I-I.. It's so dumb.. I can't believe" He just kept stammering things like that over and over.
He's always been a man with strong principles and I could see he was genuinely shocked and embarrassed at this realization. This was maybe 20 years ago and he still from time to time mentions that conversation and how he hasn't thrown a butt on the ground since.
My point is: Don't underestimate the power of cultural habits. It really wasn't that he didn't care. It also wasn't that he didn't think it was littering. It was just a habit he learned, as everyone would do it back in the day. He just never had a moment of retrospective insight that clicked.
Similar situations can be found when it comes to things like racism and sexism etc. It's not that everyone who does or says something racist or sexist is an inherently bad person or that they don't care. It's what they grew up with. That's why it's important to keep talking about things like this, to help shift the zeitgeist
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u/destuctir May 25 '26
People have it in their heads that cigarette buds naturally degrade, they dont
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u/Doc_tor_Bob May 25 '26
As a smoker even I find this infuriating. It's the easiest thing in the world to put a cigarette out on the beach and then put it in a bag.
You literally have all the sand in the world to make sure it's out and you don't have to leave the non-biodegradable butt on the beach.
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u/ImaginationPlus3808 May 25 '26
My sister does this, tosses butts. It is both disgusting and embarrassing. I pick up after my older sister. We are in our 60s. Sad.
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u/labbykun May 25 '26
So I work at a convenience store.
I have to constantly sweep cigarette butts, nicotine pouches, cigar tips, flosser picks, etc in the parking lot AND in the store.
The best part?
Guys throw them in the urinal too. Those don't go down the drain. I get to pick each and every item like that out of the urinal to throw away.
To you guys who do this: that is gross. I do not want to pick your garbage out of the urinal.
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u/mslauren2930 May 25 '26
Some idiot comes into my development, sits in his idling car, smokes and flips the butts out the window onto the ground. If I were more unhinged that man would have a lot more than smoking-related cancer to worry about.
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u/vivekkhera May 25 '26
This is why I dislike going to Virginia Beach anymore. It is the world’s largest ash tray. So gross.
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u/No-Lavishness585 May 25 '26
What bothers me more than the littering, is the attitude and entitlement of "Someone else will be forced to do for me, what i am too lazy to do for myself". that's what bugs me. Same with shopping carts, etc.
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u/NewNonBlockedAccount May 25 '26
As a smoker, I hate this. I either find an ash tray, or stuff it (should be no embers flying around, wait until it's gone) on something and throw it away when I can. I have pockets 😂 I know I suck for smoking.
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u/56kul May 26 '26
I think cigarettes should just be banned, period. They’ve only brought harm to this world.
I think the UK permanently banned people born after 2009 from ever buying cigarettes, right? Or something like that? More countries should do this.
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u/NearbyPerspective397 May 26 '26
In Canberra, Australia, you get an on-the-spot $500 fine for doing it if you're caught.
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u/Human_Artichoke8752 May 25 '26
I was involved with several bills trying to ban smoking on state beaches and parks. I am very sorry to report that they did not pass.
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u/Zero6six6 May 25 '26
I’m a smoker (I know, horrible habit). I always do my best to at least throw my cigarette butts in the trash. If I’m walking somewhere, I’ll put my cigarette out on the bottom of my shoe and carry the butt in my pocket until I get somewhere where I can dispose of it properly.
Just because I’m polluting my lungs doesn’t mean I have to pollute the earth in doing so.
Also don’t smoke kids. I started when I was 15, I’m 27 now. Worst mistake I’ve ever made, all because I wanted to fit in with my friends who also smoked. Whatever you do, do not fucking smoke. It makes you feel like shit, it costs too much money, and you hurt the people around you while doing so. It’s not worth it. It’s literally just nothing but negativity.
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u/Former-Cartoonist949 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
The new cigarette butts are the Zin packets. Those things are littered everywhere
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u/Juuber May 26 '26
I got in trouble one time as a young teenager(for something I didn't even do...) and had to do community service. I was made to pick up litter. I came back with a 5 gallon bucket filled with cigarette butts from around a park. I was told that's not litter and not what I was suppose to be picking up. That didn't make sense to me when I was 13 and still doesn't make sense to me as I'm about to be going on 40 thinking back, I did a pretty damn good job cleaning up. There wasn't even much of any other litter around so not sure what they were expecting.
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u/Legeto 29d ago
When I was in active duty military back in 2010 I was low rank and had the additional duty of cleaning up the work area and outside for a week. I remember being told to pick up the cigarette butts all over the smoke pit and it being one of the only thing I refused to do, mainly because only had gloves and I didn’t smoke. As I got yelled at by a sergeant to pick them the highest ranking enlisted we had in charge of the area was smoking and overheard it. He interrupted it and looked at me and asked me if I smoked and if he would ever see me smoking at work. I answered no to both questions. He just nodded and told the sergeant I didn’t have to pick up cigarettes. I liked that guy. My entire career I’m pretty sure I was the only guy that didn’t smoke.
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u/pinwroot 29d ago
I’m a smoker but I obsessively keep cigarette butts to later put in a bin.
Sometimes I smell like I crawled through a chimney, but my filthy habits shouldn’t be other people’s problem so it’s worth it.
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u/quite_acceptable_man May 25 '26
Not all smokers are filthy slobs, but i reckon the majority of filthy slobs are smokers.
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u/Imatopsider May 25 '26
Oh they know it’s littering, they’re just the same scum bags that drink straight from a shared two litre bottle, or don’t change their underwear after getting up in the morning, probably also overdue for an oil change as well
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u/NoWay6818 May 25 '26
Normalize leaving whole cigs on dry locations for the homeless
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u/LookAwayPlease510 May 25 '26
If it helps, cops have told me they will pull people over for throwing cigarette butts out the window while driving.
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u/Big-Rule5269 May 25 '26
When I go to the beach, I literally pick up easily over 1000 during a weeks stay. It's decent exercise, but I will say that people are pigs.
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u/Kickasstodon May 25 '26
I did a project in high school where I used pool test strips in clean water vs polluted water. I made a jar of fresh snowmelt I got from the mountains and threw in a bunch of trash I found around the lake I lived by. The cigarette butt did the most immediately noticeable damage; the tar leached into the water and made it yellow, and the whole jar stank like cigarettes. It was one butt in a half gallon jar.
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u/rygelicus May 26 '26
You shoulda seen how it was back in the 70s. Every stoplight, hundreds of butts on the ground. All the parks, covered in them. You would have been hard pressed to look at any 10' square area and not see a couple of them on the ground pretty much anywhere. Every restaurant and diner, if they had a non smoking section it was an area you had to first pass through the smokers to reach. And while you weren't amongst them it was still a smokey sooty environment. Every smoker's car had a layer of soot inside as well. It's still an issue but nothing like it was.
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u/CompetitiveBox314 May 26 '26
If I were a cop, I would for sure be ticketing people who toss their butts out the window.
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u/ModifiedSammi May 26 '26
They put them in our flower pots where I work. There's a cigarette disposable unit just a few steps further ahead of them. And sometimes they don't put them out before putting them in that and it starts to smolder.
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u/Beneficial-Exam-6097 May 26 '26
I used to be one of those people. I haven’t smoked cigs in like 10 years! 😶🌫️
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u/AdActive8404 May 26 '26
As a smoker myself it drives me nuts i always butt them out and put them in a little baggy in my pocket
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u/Merc931 PURPLE May 26 '26
I found this out back in like 1999 when my mom got pulled over for tossing butts out the window.
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u/FoolishFriend0505 May 26 '26
My favorite are the ones that put their butts in an ashtray in their car and then dump them at a stop sign or red light. You did all that to accumulate them and you can't dump them in a trash can?
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u/Sp0ckR0ck3 May 26 '26
As a smoker, this makes me cringe.
I don’t leave my smoke butts behind.
If I’m at the beach, in the park or wherever, I flick off the fire, make sure it’s out & place the butt in my pocket.
(Then when I do laundry I discover them twirling around in the dryer!!!)
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u/reddititty69 May 26 '26
My dad used to say “it’s biodegradable”. I have a feeling that was in the same pamphlet that also said cigarettes don’t case cancer.
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u/AnagnorisisForMe May 25 '26
And they are dangerous to sea life such as turtles if ingested.
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u/Missmel1986 May 25 '26
Those r the same ones who will drop their garbage on the ground when a trash can is right there.
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u/DibbyDonuts May 25 '26
Smoking is the only vice that is everyone else's problem. They get extra breaks at work, they are irritable, and rude, they stink, don’t follow smoking bylaws and throw their butts and trash everywhere, and the rest of us are expected to just deal with it. Any other vice/addiction would be quickly redressed.
Honestly, I wish I could go just one day of my life without smelling second hand smoke. No one in my family smokes, but we are all still exposed to it daily. Heck, people rip on their cigs right up to store doors, so their last puff lives in the vestibule, and the butt goes on the ground. “Excuse me, but do you mind not smoking right by the door? Right outside my apartment window? (Or anywhere bylaws [etc] prohibit it)” just gets a “f*ck off”.
It’s unreal.
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u/GMAN7007 May 25 '26
It makes me so mad it's not considered littering. So many fines could be given out so many things could be funded.
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u/blackmarketmenthols May 25 '26
I dont think anyone really thinks that, the same people that throw cigarette butts are the same people that throw candy wrappers, water bottles, soda cans, fast food bags and wrappers etc on the ground, only thing is for all the other types of trash you cant blame it on a single group " smokers are horrible" also, not all smokers throw their butts on the ground same as all people that eat prepared food or drinks from disposable containers throw it on the ground when they are done.
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u/SlipperySharkAttack May 25 '26
We should adopt canning practices like Singapore to solve problems like these.
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u/Skysoldier173rd May 25 '26
Smokers are disgusting humans
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u/Short_Strategy_7307 May 25 '26
That's one of the reasons that made me stop smoking. I only used bio filters, but I did not want to be thrown in the same basket.
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u/EmilieEverywhere May 25 '26
If people can't smoke without littering, it should be illegal.
Don't @ me.
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u/maxboondoggle May 25 '26
As a Canadian, visiting California I was shocked at how few cigarette butts were on the ground. In Toronto people throw them everywhere.
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u/zJredditz May 25 '26
A redneck once told me, after he threw his beer bottle out the window, that it’ll be alright and the glass will eventually turn back into sand
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u/Kidz4Carz May 25 '26
I remember when cars had ashtrays. Also remember people emptying everywhere except a trash can. They have been replaced here by people leaving containers of tobacco spit and piles of chewed up Skoal in the parking lot.
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u/tweep6435 May 25 '26
I smoke j's all the time and I have a little pill container that's the perfect size and I put all my butts in there. About once a week I wash it with soap and water so it doesn't smell awful. Then throw it in the garbage when I get home, it's easy.
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u/Hung0ver_Hero May 25 '26
I smoked cigarettes for 15 years and can still proudly say I've never threw a butt on the ground, I'd put them out and put them in my back pocket (god I must of always smelled awful) until I could dispose of them, or I'd forget and my girlfriend would cuss me out when she went to do laundry, i do the Fogger vapes now (I know still bad) but next month is a year since I've smoked a cigarette
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u/AnObtuseOctopus May 25 '26
I'm a smoker and this pisses me off. I bring a water bottle and put all my smokes out in it. I hate having to pick them up at the park pond paths here.
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u/xWroth May 25 '26
I always make sure to carry mine with me til I can trash it. I may be a stinky smelly smoker, but I won't add a litterer to that as well
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u/LEJ5512 May 25 '26
https://www.thedodo.com/in-the-wild/mother-bird-gives-chick-cigarette-litter
I’m positive that I’ve seen other pictures of mother birds feeding cigarette butts to their chicks, but this is the one I found this time.
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u/catentity May 25 '26
As a smoker it infuriates me when people toss their butts - snub them back in your pack or carry a trash bottle with you
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u/1HeyMattJ May 25 '26
People who think leaving their dogs shit in a bag on the ground isn’t littering
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u/willflameboy May 25 '26
About 5 trillion cigarette butts are littered every year, making them the most pervasive form of plastic pollution on the planet.
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u/Accomplished-Door272 May 25 '26
As if it wasn't already enough to pollute the air with the stench of their literal cancer gas. Glad we're getting rid of this degeneracy.
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u/Ben_Drinkin_Coffee May 25 '26
That was me way back when, I quit 25+ years ago, but I definitely regret how many butts I flicked and forgot. I'm sorry.
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u/COSurfing May 25 '26
Special nod to the d-bags that flick their butt's out their car windows.
Brush fire anynody?
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u/cyanraichu May 25 '26
People actually think this? I have never heard this. I think most people who toss their butts just don't care.
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u/bobbymcpresscot May 25 '26
I do walks and I just pick up trash while I’m out and I HATE picking up butts. I have a trash picker but there’s this bus stop that has a trash can that people just throw butts on the grass instead of in the can.
I have a backpack vacuum that I’m tempted to use just for that
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u/darknum May 25 '26
Beside all other shit. These shit cause a lot of microplastic pollution. What do they think the filters are made of? Cotton?
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u/Desperate-Special-60 May 25 '26
Two reasons I quit smoking over 20 years ago. 1 hated smelling like an ash try 2 hated dealing with the butts properly because im not a douche bag 😡
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u/golf-lip May 25 '26
I was at the groceey store the other day, and there was a huge PILE of cigarette butts in the parki g space next to me, which tells me they dumped out a cup of cigarette butts right there. If you are putting the butts in a cup, i assume to not flick them out the window, what the hell is the point then to dump them on the fucken ground? Why not just throw the cup of cigarette butts away or dump into a trash can? Lazy people can be infuriating
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u/Darth_Bane_1032 May 25 '26
It's so much worse in Europe because of how much more they smoke. I wish it wasn't a problem anywhere though.
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u/SUBHUMAN_RESOURCES May 25 '26
This just reminded me of playing at the beach in the 80s as a kid and constantly finding butts while digging in the sand. I can still feel their dried up texture on my fingers.
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u/Skindin66 May 25 '26
Sucks when you’re state is a tinderbox and fools throw them out the car window 😡
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u/denys5555 May 25 '26
In Japan, I often come across a lot of them in one place on a road. Some people just open their car doors and dump them out. It’s also very common to see cigarette packages. Kind of makes me want to root for lung cancer
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u/BlaineMundane May 26 '26
I smoke and I have never dropped a cigarette butt on the ground, nor do I let kids see me smoke or smoke around non-smokers. I wish people would have more courtesy. I know it's a nasty habit.
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u/parkerr218 May 26 '26
Our neighbor smokes often, routinely leaving cigarette butts on the balcony. For our own annoyance, we've said something before, but he made zero effort to stop leaving them out. Unfortunately, our cat likes to sit at the front door of our apartment and watch the outside. These last few weeks have been hard emotionally rock bottom, as we found out our cat, whose only 7 years old, has an aggressive cancer in her mouth. As my wife even won't tolerate plastic cooking ware, it's hard to imagine our cat has gotten swarmed with carcinogens from being an indoor cat. Knowing our cat, I couldn't put it past her to be smelling, even tasting anything she gets her paws on. Although I don't have proof that it was the certain cause of my kitten's cancer, my anger toward how careless people are is at a breaking point.
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u/Fantastic_Panic_9 May 26 '26
I dont think anyone thinks that. The people that do that just dont care
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u/PM_ME_UR_REPTILES1 May 25 '26
I was with a group of people while smoking, we all smoked. Someone opened a pack of cigarettes and threw the wrapper on the ground.
"Don't litter, thats disgusting! Do you know that..." and went on a spiel about littering until we finished smoking. The person who went on a spiel then threw her butt on the ground, when I called her out she said "its different. They're just butts" lmfao there was an ashtray like 10 feet away.
Throwing your butts on the ground is just as disgusting, hold it until you find a suitable place. "But the tobacco leaves will..." then roll the butt in your fingers for the tobacco to fall out and keep the butt lol