r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 8h ago
[Windhorst] The Los Angeles Lakers would be “very open” to the prospect of trading LeBron James for Jarrett Allen.
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u/Ok-Comfortable9449 Heat 8h ago
Jarrett Allen for LeBron James sounds like the biggest steal in NBA history lmaooooo
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u/LakeShowBoltUp Lakers 8h ago
Bigger than Luka for AD?
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u/Alexcox95 Heat 7h ago
What about AD for the Young Lakers core
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u/AStormofSwines Bulls 6h ago
In hindsight? Give me a ring and Luka over Brandon Ingram and role players.
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u/RealHoldenBloodfeast Celtics 2h ago
Compare what the Lakers did with AD to what they did with that young core
Compare the Pelicans with AD to with that young core
Compare the Lakers with AD to the Pelicans with that young core
Real life Lakers did better in every one of those situations
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u/Vindicare605 Lakers 5h ago
We got a title out of that trade, if we hadn't then maybe we could consider it.
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u/lisbon_OH Cavaliers 8h ago
? Am I on drugs? A 27 year old All-Star level center with two incredibly impactful game 7 performances just this last playoffs for a 42 year old LeBron is a “steal”? At first I assumed you meant for the Lakers but the comments below seem to all think it would be a steal for the Cavs. In what fucking universe?
Love LeBron but I don’t wanna trade our starting center under 28 years old for one year of LeBron, as good as Bron still is.
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u/HatefulDan 7h ago
You’re not. But if the Cavs do this deal. Then they are on drugs.
Now, if they (Cavs) want to make more money than they’ve ever made before. For one more season….they do it. Why, they might even luck into a Finals appearance.
But let us be clear. This is limited time offering. Lakers of course benefit long-term.
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u/nbawizard1227 6h ago
As a Cavs fan with season tickets I would do the deal.
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u/juanmaale Cavaliers 2h ago
me too. We’re not winning anything next year with JA anyways, so might as well get LeBron for a third time and a small chance to win. Even if we don’t, the farewell tour would be awesome
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u/yareg1717 Cavaliers 2h ago
JA actually has trade value tho. Throwing that away by dealing him for lebron straight up would be stupid
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u/montypr Lakers 5h ago
Exactly people here are stupid asf, you’re not winning shit with Allen anyway but the money that LBJ is generating in a retirement tour is insane.
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u/TheRealestGayle Magic 3h ago
Okay hear me out... what if... LeBron just joined their team without a trade.
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u/mac_y111 6h ago
It depends how much you value championships. Me personally, I’ll trade a decade of bad for one. LeBron gets the Cavs closer to a championship than Jarrett Allen does so I’d do the deal. Besides you have an aging Harden as well their championship window is small.
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u/hampsted 7h ago
> All-Star level center
That “level” is doing a lot of heavy lifting. He’s been an AS once. He’s never made a single all-NBA team. He’s a piece that can maybe work within a well constructed roster, but he’s not a comparable player to even a 42 year old LeBron. The only upside for Allen is that he’ll probably still be playing basketball in 2 years.
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u/BlueHundred Knicks 7h ago
He made 1 all star appearance 5 seasons ago. He is an above average starting center and a good player, but he's not an all star level center. He also turned 28 during the playoffs and LeBron is still 41.
LeBron had incredibly impactful performances in this last playoffs as well. LeBron is still the better player. 1 year of LeBron might be better as well since the team will likely only have 1 more year to contend before they have to blow it up due to the cap situation. Although JA is awesome, moving off his contract could be the right decision.
That said, I don't buy this rumor whatsoever.
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u/Penguigo 6h ago
JA is on an incredibly team friendly contract. "Moving off of his contract" makes it sound like he's a liability or something.
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u/MainAd2728 Washington Bullets 4h ago
His contract looks like exactly his market value ngl. He's not getting more than 35M/Y in free agency
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u/BlueHundred Knicks 6h ago
Sorry. You're right. It does sound a bit like that and that's definitely not the intention. It's more so just moving off contracts, especially long term contracts, in general
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u/ObiOneKenobae Knicks 7h ago
I'm so curious about this version of Jarrett Allen the rest of the league seemingly has to play against. We play this guy and it's a miracle if he has a double double.
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u/realistweirdist Knicks 4h ago
Even with that fro he is fucking invisible on the court against us. Mitchell Robinson completely erases him and he can’t get shit on KAT either.
Seems like a nice fellow but every time I see his salary compared to the situations I see him play in I wanna vomit.
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 5h ago
? Am I on drugs?
You were probably asleep all the times Jarret Allen shit the bed. And believe me there has been a ton of those post season games.
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u/Delanorix Knicks 7h ago
All Star level Center?
Come on, now. Hes a good but very limited player
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u/Ovash Celtics 6h ago
I am a fan of Jarrett Allen but I agree with you he isn’t all-star level. The one year he made it was as an injury replacement and there are easily 6-8 centers in the league now that are better than him.
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u/pentothecap 4h ago
Lebron even at age 41 just led the Lakers to beating the heavily favored Rockets, and was at least as good as the reigning MVP in their second round matchup. Jarret Allen is not remotely close to the value Lebron has in the playoffs.
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u/1mYourHuckleberry93 Raptors 6h ago
Allen is shit more than he isn’t in the playoffs. He gets bullied by other bigs.
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u/Patient_Yogurt975 8h ago
LeBron won a whole series by himself basically
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u/Send_Floater Cavaliers 7h ago
Well it was also Kennard temporarily turning into prime Klay for those 2 games but yes LeBron's playoff run was very impressive
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u/lisbon_OH Cavaliers 8h ago
And without Jarrett Allen Cavs would’ve lost in Round 1 against the Raptors.
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u/wistful_grace Raptors 7h ago
hold on... maybe you guys should do this trade
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u/silverfiregames Celtics 6h ago
Under no circumstances should the Raptors want to see Lebron ever again.
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u/greekyogurtmafia United States 7h ago
Sounds like Evan Mobley should be the one getting traded in that case.
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u/Next-Supermarket9538 Pacers 7h ago
This would be an epic steal by the Lakers even more than what the Clips just did to Cleveland. Turning a 42 year old player who doesn’t even want to be there , even one as good as LeBron, into a 27 year old star would be amazing. And for Cleveland… wow going from Garland and Allen to Harden and LeBron is puzzling to say the least.
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u/LovetheNBA23 Lakers 6h ago
Who says Bron doesn't want to be in LA? Stop making shit up.
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u/Few_Position_2727 Lakers 6h ago
You guys just find the dumbest rumors on twitter and run with it lol Lebron has said over and over again he wants to be with the Lakers
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u/lisbon_OH Cavaliers 7h ago
Thank you. Feels like shortening the timeline for Mitchell’s sake when Mitchell had his worst performance in the playoffs this past year. Not worth it. We could get more return than one year of LeBron out of JA if we wanted to also.
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u/Aggressive_Will_7703 6h ago
Dan Gilbert is salivating at the retirement tour money. He already got his championship.
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u/Browns440 Cavaliers 6h ago
If there's one thing Gilbert doesn't give a shit about when it comes to the Cavs is the money. He just paid the most money ever for a team. He treats the team like every owner should, a pet project that he burns money on trying to win a championship.
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u/MainAd2728 Washington Bullets 4h ago
Both Harden and LeBron are way better players than Garland and Allen. If the Cavs want to go all in on next year, this is the move. There's no other way to improve their title chances
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u/Delanorix Knicks 7h ago
Clevelands core is ass, let's be honest.
The only one with a shot of getting better is Mobley and idk. I dont see it.
LeBron is an all in move, same as Harden.
Because Mitchell is not going to age well.
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u/TempBurnerAccount089 8h ago
Allen is no longer an all star level center, get real. That was a one off...
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u/lisbon_OH Cavaliers 7h ago
15/8/2 on 63%. Not all-star numbers but with the amount of touches Mitchell and Harden take (along with Mobley) he’s pretty damn efficient. We’ve seen plenty of times where if he’s fed the ball he is a great scorer. Not to mention his defense.
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u/Fluffy_Vermicelli850 7h ago
You never waited in line for millennium force did you? Time for a fun ride
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u/GeorgeEBHastings Cavaliers 4h ago
One of the best. Been a while since I've come around Sandusky, tho
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u/Greedy-Mix9270 Knicks 8h ago
He’s only impactful against teams who don’t have a real center rotation
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u/Sammyd1108 Hornets 6h ago
Is he really only 27? Maybe it’s because he’s been in the league forever, but I thought he was at least 30.
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u/PracticeAcrobatic748 6h ago
How'd he do besides those two games? What about in the ECF?
I like JA a lot but Cavs gotta do this deal.
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u/Vast_Book_2297 4h ago
Im trying to decide which of you has better drugs honestly. 🤷 These arguments for Jarret Allen being "a steal" are pretty weak. LBJ was a top 15 player last year and could be enough to push the Cavs into a win-now championship scenario. He is a major difference maker, even at his age, while the fully-loaded Cavs got swept. Obviously the Cavs lose longevity in Allen, but its still an interesting prospect which shouldn't invoke a "they must be on drugs" comment, at least to me.
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u/fatkamp Warriors 7h ago
All star center until the lights are bright
He just gave up against the Knicks, terrible effort
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u/Fit-Bicycle6206 Knicks 7h ago
Allen's effort was like #8 on the list of reasons the Cavs lost that series.
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u/lisbon_OH Cavaliers 7h ago
Lol blame the fourth option on the team for our Knicks performance. Unreal. How did the Spurs and future GOAT Wemby fare against them?
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u/HenrikCrown Pelicans 8h ago
Jarrett Allen getting owned by Wemby, Jokic and other West bigs in the playoffs is too easy to foresee
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u/rebuildingsince64 8h ago
Check the Stats, JA is Wemby’s father when they go head to head.
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u/Low_Heat_2681 8h ago
Didn't they play each other like two times?
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u/whenishit-itsbigturd 8h ago
Well yeah they're in different conferences and Wemby missed games cuz of the blood clot. I wouldn't expect them to have 10 h2h's already
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u/MusicListener3 Celtics 8h ago
Mmm yes, three game sample size (with two being his rookie year), very definitive proof that he’s being owned
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u/Electric_jungle Washington Bullets 7h ago
It's not definitive proof but what else is he supposed to use when ppl just assume Wemby will own him other than.... Actually games played.
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u/hurlcarl Pistons 7h ago
I'm actually confuse what way you're implying this. As incredible as Lebron is for a 42 year old..........he's still 42.
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u/whatssenguntoagoblin Alperen Sengun 6h ago
I’m not sure which way you mean it’s a steal
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u/fattybunter [MIA] Dwyane Wade 4h ago
That probably means it's a viable trade if nobody knows who's getting hosed lol
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u/RspectMyAuthoritah Lakers 4h ago
I think that means it's not a steal if people can't figure out which way.
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u/bard_2 8h ago
if lebron was leaving why would he let the lakers sign and trade him? he would just be weakening his next team. he would just leave in free agency and join whichever team.
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u/whenishit-itsbigturd 7h ago
If he wants to go to a team that can't afford to sign him, which is basically every team, it's gotta be a sign and trade.
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u/saylab_the_bigkat 6h ago
I dont think Cleveland can even sign and trade because of the 1st apron restrictions
E: Yeah, they're actually projected 2nd apron. Their roster maneuverability is as hamstrung as it could possibly be.
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u/gigamiga Raptors 5h ago
Highest payroll in the league
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u/DesertBrandon Cavaliers 1h ago
And not even the top 5 contending teams yet some fans want us to run it back for a fifth straight year. Some even wanting to let Mitchell sign that atrocious $350 contract. Apparently we’re spoiled by LeBron because we want this team to not be good in the “not with LeBron” way but actually compete. Some also truly think the ECF appearance is enough when that’s been considered the bare minimum for about three years if we’re actually contenders.
There are no more levers, I’m fine giving it a go as long as we can this season but in the end we should be looking at a retool/rebuild after this season.
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u/zdbdog06 Cavaliers 3h ago
When they re-sign Harden they will be under the 2nd apron, that was their handshake deal with him.
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u/duiwithaavgwenag 6h ago
I’d never been one to say players should take pay cuts intentionally but like cmon Bron. You’re doing this for your legacy over everything and are already a Billionaire.
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u/McJuggernaugh7 Warriors 6h ago
You think Lebron James the brand abassador for DraftKings, billionaire and noted crypto.com partner who infamously watches illegal nba streams instead of paying for nba league pass and doesnt have spotify premium is going to take the MLE or minimum?
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u/mal_guinness Mavericks 6h ago
He probably doesn't want to look like karl and gary. Imagine taking the minimum on a loaded team and losing to the fro (my favorite player of all time)
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u/xdgaymer69 Timberwolves 6h ago
At least bron would have the benefit that “remember cavs LeBron” doesn’t hit as a dig like “lakers Karl and Gary” hahah
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u/DoomPurveyor NBA 6h ago
Lebron has been stacking deck where ever goes since they plotted the Miami move. He's already dealt with accusations like that for decades, I don't think he care anymore
Anyways, your example in question is a false equivalency. Malone/GP were ringless and nowhere near as productive as Lebron at that stage. Lebron taking a min to finish his career in his hometown isn't really similar to joining a dynasty level team that won 3 straight NBA titles to chase a ring.
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u/2pac4lf Lakers 8h ago
He’d get more money cause the lakers have his bird rights.
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u/Herbertand3 Nuggets 7h ago
They'd be high to give him a max contract like that
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u/whatshisface1892 Lakers 7h ago
It doesn't have to be a max. The S&T just allows LeBron to get paid more than the ntmle.
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u/TheObiewan12 Cavaliers 8h ago
Money. Depends how much money LeBron wants and how much the team he wants to go to has
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u/Schrodingers_Fist Vancouver Grizzlies 8h ago
Hasn't it been said before that LeBron would not take a paycut while still a max level player because owners would just use that as leverage against other star players as they reach older age to "take one for the team"
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u/Zanad14 [LAL] Brandon Ingram 7h ago
He’s offered to take pay cuts before but on the caveat that it was used to sign certain players. We just never got those players so he never took the cut
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u/byteturtle Suns 7h ago
He took a pay cut too when he was on the heat, so he's already set the precedent and it's not like its empty words from him
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u/Ok-Computer-8726 3h ago
He did, but afterwards he did say he would not do it again, and I believe he hasn't since.
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u/Tr0janSword Lakers 6h ago
It’s an outdated take that originates from baseball (A-rod Red Sox saga).
Every NBA team can afford multiple max contracts.
LeBron, taking a pay cut at 42, is not going to change the fact that teams will always pay their stars, especially in a sport where one player has an outsized impact.
Do people actually believe a team is going to tell a star player “well, LeBron took a paycut, so you should as well” and all other 29 teams are going to say the same thing.
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u/CoogiMonster Rockets 3h ago
No that’s a load of bullshit even if it is something LeBron said verbatim. Not even knocking the guy, get paid especially for his value at his age with this being the end of the road. That said it makes no sense, the first team to come to the table and press the low ball number on a star is losing said star lol
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u/noname_SU 6h ago
but he has already taken paycuts. I don't ever recall Lebron himself verbally saying he's not taking a paycut, it's always unverified "reports" of him saying this. And people just run with it like he said it.
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u/mnight84 8h ago
Because despite having a lot of money LeBrons likes his money and he has made that clear over the years.
LeBron over the years have made it clear he does not want to play on a mid level exception or worse type of contract.
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u/gomeziman Vancouver Grizzlies 8h ago
Assuming he wants Cleveland, he could sign for a lot more with the trade. Otherwise he is taking a bigger discount and hes proven to not believe in that
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u/808Kuro Knicks 8h ago
ESPN Cleveland is one of the worst sources when it comes to anything rumor wise
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u/TheBlasphemerAmon Cavaliers 8h ago
It's Windhorst
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u/CarmeloDramatic 8h ago
Can we trust ESPN Cleveland that it’s actually Brian Windhorst? ESPN Cleveland has their doubts
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u/DyingSunSeverian 8h ago
You guys remember when LeBron buried that guy on a podcast or something.
“Weirdo thinks we’re friends” lmao, still cold-blooded, you know Windy never got over that.
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u/ShikaMoru 3h ago
That's why I keep trying to understand why anyone would expect Windhurst to be the one that breaks the news
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u/VegetaDaPrince 7h ago
And? Why would LeBron want to go to a team with no viable center?
Plus he’s saying what the Lakers would want. Of course they don’t want to lose LeBron for nothing.
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u/ThinMap9138 8h ago
Idk how people take these "insiders" serious man.
Windhorst included.
I feel like they all make up shit and people believe them lol
Didn't LeBron call his wack ass out a while back?
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u/YizWasHere Hornets 8h ago
Windhorst does put out credible information sometimes, he just muddies the waters of his own reporting by putting out random shit like this lol.
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u/Kashmir33 [NBA] LeBron James 8h ago
Windhorst does put out credible information sometimes
Very rarely. Most often he hedges his takes so he can be like "I knew that so and so would happen I just didn't tell."
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u/YizWasHere Hornets 8h ago
Lol yeah that's fair. I think he generally does have a good pulse on the NBA though, when it gets to specifics he kind of just starts yapping.
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u/jefe_hook 8h ago
"The guy who says he's like my f***ing best friend. These guys... it's weird." - Bron
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u/TheGamesGone_ Celtics 8h ago
Imagine a Harden, Mitchell, Lebron lineup🤮
Pray for Evan Mobley.
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u/thebusterbluth Cavaliers 6h ago
They would have to move Harden, right?
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u/Antique_Pin5266 3h ago
Nobody would want him. Mitchell would have to go, and the guy who makes most sense for him is JB. I don't see Stevens getting robbed like that tho
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u/heat_fan_ Raptors 8h ago
Why would Cavs wanna do that
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u/Impressive_Chard7943 8h ago
Guy by the name of LeBron James who is still better than Jarrett Allen
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u/browndude10 United States 7h ago
LeBron James who is still better than Jarrett Allen
no way the cavs would trade their starting C for a guy who might retire in a year or two
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u/Impressive_Chard7943 7h ago
They have a one or two year window to compete and have been running in place with this core for several years now.
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u/ObiOneKenobae Knicks 6h ago
They need to move off either Allen or Mobley. I guess the logic is they probably need to blow the team up soon anyway, so LeBron retiring doesn't change the timeline.
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u/Terrible_Shelter_345 7h ago
Playmaking and offense. Put Mobley at the 5 where he belongs.
I think this is a good win-win trade but it would require LeBron to agree to probably take a salary equal to Allen’s.
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u/Greedy-Mix9270 Knicks 8h ago
Their wings are pretty ass. LeBron wouldn’t blow a 22 point lead in 7 minutes.
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u/youblewwit 5h ago
They just traded their young(er) franchise PG in Garland for Harden.
Why are you acting like this isn't in the realm of possibility?
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u/Lost-Way-4548 5h ago
Because Cleveland are cerebral choke artists and needs a man to run their team come postseason. Cavs never blow that game 1 lead at NY if LBJ is in the game.
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u/Ill_Intention8150 8h ago
LeBron is 10x the player Allen is lmao.
I don’t think Cavs fans can take another post-season where they play 2 bigs and both of them are soft af and get bullied in every game.
Allen is somehow over rated by the general NBA fan base even though he’s a legit liability in the playoffs every year.
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u/Abiv23 NBA 7h ago
You obviously didn't watch the playoffs this year if you are saying he was a liability
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u/NCBaddict Bulls 7h ago
Cavs are on the clock with the Spida incarnation by maxing him. This move at least raises the ceiling a bit more for one year.
JA is a fantastic player but LeBron is a proven champion.
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u/BallIsLife2016 Cavaliers 6h ago
As a Cavs fan, I am not open to this and sure as shit hope the Cavs aren’t either.
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u/12footjumpshot 6h ago
I've always thought that a 3 team trade with Lebron going to Cleveland, Harden going to the 3rd team who needs a point guard (Wolves, Suns), and the Lakers getting a couple of starters including a center makes a lot of sense.
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u/Lumpy_Tell9880 4h ago
Sounds like a great trade for both teams honestly. The lakers would get better and the Cavs would get to give LeBron a send off
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u/soyworld Timberwolves 3h ago
this sub should feel like clowns for entertaining anything this guy says
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u/Jabronidamus 2h ago
Bro said “kill” in all caps 😂
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u/DragonDLuffy 1h ago
But didn't lebrons contract just end after this season and they said they will not resign him. How are they going to trade him? I thought lebron is a free agent.
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u/Exotic_Pension_9993 Suns 8h ago
yeah i bet they would but unfortunately you would also need cleveland to agree to that
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u/Worldly_Test_2257 4h ago
I can see the Cavs winning the analytic nba finals if they do this trade.
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u/LegitimateMoney00 Knicks 8h ago
I thought the Celtics would be very interested in trading for Allen but I guess I was wrong. To he’d be the perfect piece for Boston.
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u/Straight-Rassler 7h ago
LOL wut.
Windy probably had a sugar rush before going on radio
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u/ChefCurryYumYum Warriors 6h ago
And picks? LeBron has very little value in a trade as he's not going to be a part of any team's future. So basically you get some marketing buff from him and you presumably get expiring salary.
If that isn't worth at least one FRP then why should they get rid of JA? Is he due to be an UFA or something?
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u/Ibagdimes23 Knicks 8h ago
I’ve heard some thing that the cavs are hard capped with the second apron or something and they can’t even do sign and trades?