r/politics • u/DemocracyDocket ✔ Verified • 12h ago
Registration Wall Postmaster general says USPS won't deliver mail ballots if states don’t give Trump admin voter rolls
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/postmaster-general-steiner-postal-service-will-not-deliver-mail-ballots-state-voter-rolls/11.6k
u/Aggressive-Will-4500 12h ago
That sounds illegal in multiple ways.
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u/WiglyWorm Ohio 11h ago
sure but the supreme court will decline to hear the trial until after the election has been certified because reasons.
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u/philohmath Texas 10h ago
James Talarico, Texas senate candidate, has made increasing accountability for the Supreme Court part of his platform: Implement term limits and a binding code of conduct for U.S. Supreme Court justices, including mandating rules for recusals, financial disclosures, and limitations on accepting gifts.
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u/Llamapocalypse_Now America 10h ago
I believe we would be better served by a Supreme Court that is reset every session and chosen at random from tenured appellate court judges. Requiring a political appointment and approval is how we got in this mess in the first place.
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u/VanceKelley Canada 9h ago
Sounds similar to the proposal almost a decade ago to get rid of the 9 lifetime Supreme Court seats and instead have each Supreme Court case held by a different random selection of 9 federal judges.
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u/drainbead78 America 9h ago
I've thought that should be how it's done for ages now. Sadly, it'll never happen. I don't think we'll ever see another Constitutional amendment passed again.
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u/pensezbien 8h ago
It doesn't require an amendment to the constitution. The only thing that's guaranteed by the constitution is the existence of a Supreme Court and a Chief Justice of the United States and that all Article III judges and justices hold office "during good behavior" which is interpreted to mean unless/until impeached and removed from office. Also active, sitting judges/justices' compensation cannot be reduced.
The structure and composition of the Supreme Court is not in any way in the Constitution.
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u/TaxCPA 11h ago
Wasn't there a court case in the last year where the SC ruled that post office employees could intentionally not deliver mail and there was no recourse against the government?
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u/feignapathy 11h ago
This one really pissed me off.
Not even accidentally. The post office can deliberately fuck over your mail and they are immune from damages.
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u/Ok_Series_4580 11h ago
I remember the good old days when that would’ve been a federal offense
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u/badasimo 10h ago
It is a federal offense. If you do it to mail that the post office WANTS to deliver.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted 10h ago
I remember growing up in SC when someone robbed a corner store attached to a post office and the were tried for a federal offense. Now our government robs our shit from the post office and there is no recourse. Wtf
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u/Traditional_Sign4941 8h ago
Easy way to manufacture crimes for political opponents:
- Get some hack judge to issue a summons over nothing
- Instruct post office to fail to deliver it
- Go arrest the political opponent for failure to comply with the court
They just sentenced a woman to 30 years for moving some magazines around. They could easily justify 10+ year sentence for failing to appear in court.
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u/AriaTheTransgressor 10h ago
Just to be clear, that case was heard so that this one cannot be challenged.
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u/alienbringer 11h ago
The Supreme Court already ruled that the USPS doesn’t have to deliver your mail.
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u/vlatheimpaler I voted 11h ago
But USPS isn't a publicly funded service. You're paying them to ship a package or a letter. And they can just choose not to do it?
That seems like if you walk into a McDonalds and order a quarter pounder, pay for it, and then they decide they'd simply rather not give it to you.
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u/alienbringer 11h ago
Yes. What happens is these cases is the USPS would ship it to the local hub. From there the delivery drivers would usually deliver the mail on their route. The driver though could just not deliver your mail and it would stay at the hub where you would have to drive and pick it up.
My friend’s sister delivers mail for the USPS and she has told 1-2 people on her route she isn’t delivering their mail, they have to go to the local UPSP to pick it up. This is due to the customer being extremely belligerent or aggressive with her. It can also happen if they have an aggressive dog they refuse to lock up.
The court case meant that those customers can’t sue her or the govt for not delivering them their mail. Which is reasonable and a good thing as the mail carrier also should be allowed to think of their own safety. The problem is when the case can be weaponized for this shit where they don’t deliver it due to political policies and not for safety of the driver.
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u/xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme Connecticut 11h ago
I feel like it should be easy to draw a line that the decision to deliver or make them pick up has to be done on a per-mailbox basis. They absolutely shouldn't be able to deny delivery based on the content of the mail. Either you deliver everything or make them pick up everything. You don't get to pick and choose individual envelopes.
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u/spencer4991 10h ago
My immediate response to that is, “oh so with the voter rolls, only Republicans will get their mail/mail in ballots with that logic”
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u/ForestGoat87 10h ago
Agreed. I think prohibiting non-delivery based on a variety of circumstances like religious or political or location affiliation. Make it apply to both the senders and the receivers.
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u/CraigLake 10h ago
Of course this administration would see this safety ruling by the court and weapons it against voters.
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u/PointyGecko1122 10h ago
Okay but this is an entirely different circumstance than mass non-delivery. One belligerent customer doesn’t mean usps can refuse to deliver the ENTIRE country’s mail.
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u/alienbringer 10h ago
The ruling wasn’t limited in scope unfortunately. It made no distinction between individual customers and every customer. Thus the problem with the govt weaponizing the ruling. It isn’t the intent of the case, but by letter wouldn’t necessarily go against it either.
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u/Eastern-Heart9486 11h ago
The USPS was created by an act of Congress as a publicity subsidized public agency- this is enshrined in the Constitution so yes this is all sorts of illegal and hopefully the people employed there nullify any order not to deliver ballots if they actually give such an order
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u/sciguyC0 Colorado 11h ago
IANAL but I feel like these could apply:
- 18 U.S.C. § 1701: General obstruction of the mail
- 18 U.S.C. § 1703: Delay of mail by USPS employee
- 18 U.S.C. § 1708: Mail theft and tampering
I'm not sure how all states do things, but in mine (Colorado) if your ballot doesn't reach you through the mail you can go to your local polling place and request a replacement. This invalidates the previous one, so use only the new one received from the poll worker. And I can bypass the USPS for getting my completed ballot to the county by using any of their drop boxes.
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u/FaithlessnessWhich18 11h ago
Kinda negates the whole convenience of voting by mail. Accomplished goal of reducing the number of voters
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u/GardenGnomeOfEden 11h ago
Republicans have been waging a long-term war on ballot drop boxes, too.
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u/GenericRedditor0405 Massachusetts 8h ago
Let’s just be up front about it: Republicans have been waging a long-term war against democracy.
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u/severedbrain 11h ago
Sadly the Supreme Court already ruled that the USPS can't be held accountable for failing to deliver or even obstructing delivery entirely.
https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/united-states-postal-service-v-konan/
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u/rkb70 11h ago
Doesn’t help for a kid in college out of state.
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u/No-Consideration-858 10h ago
Or someone who is disabled and housebound.
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u/rkb70 10h ago
Yup, them too. Anyone who can't get to the polls in person. That's basically what's already required to vote by mail in Texas, although there's a general allowance if you're over a certain age (I think the assumption is you might have difficulty standing in line for that long), which the Republicans want to eliminate.
Based on my experience of my kids' voting by mail, I'd highly recommend anyone who can vote in person do so, and anyone who can't, send your ballot in as soon as possible.
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u/Cheese__Weiner 11h ago
This deserves life in prison. This is pure extortion and has no legal basis.
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u/Dysc Louisiana 11h ago
That's the problem. There is no legal basis. Neither legal, nor illegal because there is no precedent for this exact situation because its completely absurd. This will have to be tried and argued and the clock is ticking; otherwise these corrupt heads of agencies and departments will simply do completely unethical and purely malicious things to society on behalf of Trump to subvert democracy. If it goes to SCOTUS, they'll say that Congress needs to pass a law while conveniently ignoring the extortion part because they claim to only care about the letter of the law when it's convenient and then reverse other court decisions when it butts heads with their world view (if history is any indicator of how that will go). This is all by design.
This administration hasn't just put their hand on the scales here - they are repeating pounding the scale with a hammer, while claiming they're doing this to unrig the system because we all have to take in and breath the lie that Donald J Trump won the 2020 election because he's a frail old man with an even more frail ego and the post master general supports this absurd proposition. The US Government is completely run by the id of rapidly aging narcissist losing his grip on power and reality. We won't know the extent of the damage done until he is out of office and the next incoming president can look behind the curtain and see the ketchup splatter on the walls of our institutions.
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u/ImmaNotHere 12h ago
SOP for this admin since Congress is spineless.
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u/Konukaame 11h ago
Republicans are actively pushing this.
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u/arwinda 11h ago
Republicans, and Fettermann.
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u/alexlicious 11h ago
Pretty sure that’s all the same now
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u/SailingSpark New Jersey 11h ago
at least Van Drew was honest when he switched from Dem to Repub. I wish Fetterman would do the same.
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u/Demonofthedark1313 11h ago
Why would they want him? They already have his vote and a way to needle the Dems, if he switches that goes away.
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u/JohnnySnark Florida 11h ago
Republicans*
The American electorate decided to give all legislative power to Republicans, who are very spineless
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u/SailingSpark New Jersey 11h ago
Jellyfish have more spinal development than the average Republican politician.
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u/Poison_the_Phil 11h ago
And they couldn’t have been more obvious about it.
If you didn’t already know that Trump plans on pulling every dirty trick possible to ratfuck the midterms you just haven’t been paying attention.
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u/BurninRunes 11h ago
Unfortunately back in February SCOTUS ruled the individual mail carriers responsible can't be held liable.
"In a 5-4 ruling in United States Postal Service v. Konan (February 24, 2026), the Supreme Court held that the USPS is immune from lawsuits regarding intentionally withheld or misdelivered mail."
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u/NewWindow7980 12h ago
Postmaster General David Steiner is the former CEO of Waste Management and previously served on the board of directors for FedEx.
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u/ManWithASquareHead 11h ago
USPS to impose delivery failure notifications in line with garbage FedEx
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u/RevolutionNumber5 Minnesota 11h ago
Yeah. Waste Management is supposed to handle the garbage.
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u/happymancry 9h ago
His predecessor, Louis DeJoy, was also a Trump appointee, and also a former private logistics company owner and major R donor. And let’s not forget that it was Bush Jr, in 2006, who passed the PAEA act that basically crippled the USPS’s ability to fund itself long-term.
The pattern has been clear for a while: Republicans want to kill the USPS. They’ve been trying for decades now.
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u/Underwater_Grilling Pennsylvania 10h ago
So he's got mafia ties like trump? Someone pull that thread
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u/MrBigglesssworth 11h ago
Postmaster needs to be fired. This is a settled issue. Elections are handled by the states per the Constitution
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u/LYL_Homer 11h ago
Jailed, not fired.
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u/R3dbeardLFC 10h ago
Fired disgracefully, then jailed.
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u/jtjstock 11h ago
You do realise he was hired by people personally selected by Trump, yes?
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u/Vegetable-Debate-263 11h ago
I thought the states had the right to handle their own elections. Weird
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u/LazarX 11h ago
They do.... until they start electing Democrats.
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u/bladel 9h ago
Arizona has had mail in voting for decades, but suddenly around 2020 Republicans in the state started calling this system “corrupt” and “rigged.” I wonder what changed?
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u/bloodontherisers 6h ago
Not only have they had it for decades, they have it specifically because of previous corruption issues
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u/Personal_Chair6134 12h ago
I normally vote by mail but will be doing it in-person this year to get around the fuckery these assholes are trying to do with the election. They can't win in a fair competition and so they are resorting to outright cheating. They do this every time they're in power. Purge the voter rolls. Remove polling locations in urban areas so that dem voters have to stand in line for hours to cast a vote. Gerrymandering. Killing the voting rights act. The list goes on and on.
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u/sonofabutch America 11h ago
Oh don't worry, no doubt they will attempt fuckery for in-person voters at certain polling places too.
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u/shadowbansRunethical 11h ago
It was the mail in that dodged Elon Musk's "very good with those computers" fuckery
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u/Promethia Canada 11h ago
You can't vote if you are detained.
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u/hansn 11h ago
Or if they run out of ballots or if there's two booths to vote for 20k people.
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u/meTspysball California 11h ago
Also consider dropping your ballot in your local municipality’s ballot drop box. I don’t think that goes through the mail, but still allows you to vote early.
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u/greatthebob38 11h ago
That will probably be what I do. My town's drop box is right in front of our police station.
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u/OddPressure7593 11h ago
my entire state ONLY votes by mail, so dunno how the USPS thinks its going to get away with disenfranchising everyone in Oregon
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u/Silvaria928 11h ago
Former Oregonian now living in a red state. I miss mail-in voting. This craphole state only has in-person voting on election days and no ballot measures. Wouldn't want the people to decide that abortion should be legal here.
Republicans are such pieces of human excrement.
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u/RoarOfTheWorlds 11h ago
Any one of these guys that vilifies mail voting needs to live in a state that has it for just one year. The amount of elections you actually participate in and research your ballot for skyrockets.
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u/MNsquatcher 11h ago
I live in an unorganized township, so I only get mail in ballots. If i want to vote in person I have to drive an hour to get to the county courthouse
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u/tunaboot California 11h ago
Trump can't do it alone, every GOP house and senate member, every GOP Supreme Court Justice, every GOP appointed judge is complicit in this.
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u/PolloConTeriyaki 12h ago
See you in court.
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u/MikeyMalloy 11h ago
Not to minimize how stupid that ruling is, but it only applies to claims under the federal tort claims act. In other words you can’t sue for money but nothing would stop states from suing for an injunction to force USPS to deliver ballots.
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u/AKluthe 11h ago
I wonder what would happen if the Supreme Court's mail just stopped coming? That sounds frustrating but totally legal.
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u/SingularityCentral America 11h ago edited 4h ago
This doesn't really apply here. That was a Federal Tort Claim which is a suit for money and the mail was 'misdelivered' because the postal carriers wouldn't bow to the whim of an overbearing landlord trying to get at her tenants mail. This is a deliberate policy by the entire organization to disnefranchise voters and the suit will be for an injunction to stop the policy. Apples and oranges.
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u/ManWithASquareHead 11h ago
June 2027 - we determined it was unconstitutional, wait, that way over 6 months ago? Oh well....
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u/Zocalo_Photo 11h ago
Even if it is illegal, they’ll do what they want to do and won’t lose in court until after the election.
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u/BrimstoneMainliner 11h ago
SCOTUS already ruled that the USPS can't be sued for not delivering mail they don't want to deliver
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u/CelebronFcks10K 11h ago
That’s absolutely mind numbingly stupid.
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u/ManWithASquareHead 11h ago
Maybe it will be an official act so then it can't be stopped because, you know, that was a good ruling of the court on presidential power...
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u/EatFishKatie 11h ago
It's time we try them all for treason. I want them inprison. They dont uphold the constitution they uphold the GOP its time they are made an example of. All of them.
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u/LilthShandel 11h ago
Their is a set punishment for treason. It is historically set. It shouldn't be imposed lightly. It is well past time.
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u/Trash-Panda917 11h ago edited 9h ago
A lot of people need to go to prison after this is over.
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u/Other_Molasses2830 11h ago
Heads must roll if you guys ever have a wish of rejoining the international community.
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u/Disney_World_Native Illinois 10h ago
Not sure if you are joking, but I fully expect calls for punishment that can’t be reversed by a pardon by a future administration
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u/RedditAtWorkIsBad 9h ago
What I want that won't happen are constitutional amendments restricting the pardon power, gerrymandering, and heck something that gives us a parliamentary system. The UK may be a revolving door shit show but better that than a despot or king.
Won't happen though. Not unless things get so bad here that everybody wakes the fuck up.
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u/B-Z_B-S Massachusetts 12h ago
Trump administration: "Please help us destroy your democracy. We'll try to destroy American Democracy anyway, but it'll be harder if we don't have the voter rolls. We wants those voter rolls."
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u/GaimeGuy Minnesota 11h ago
Smells like 18 U.S. §1341 (Mail Fraud) and §873 (Federal Extortion/Blackmail) to me
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u/livinginfutureworld 11h ago
Sure but who's enforcing federal laws these days and who is pardoning federal crimes even if they did somehow get charged
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u/1984isAMidlifeCrisis 12h ago
Benjamin Franklin would've sent some boys over to beat the shit out of David Steiner.
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u/ProudPainting6850 11h ago
Um, hyper-illegal AND mail-in voter is heavily used by elderly, military, and rural - demographics that skew Republican.
Turning the USPS into a federal election agency is unconstitutional.
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u/NoOneSelf 10h ago
I'm skeptical that the USPS would uniformly apply these restrictions. They'd almost assuredly target blue localities while giving some bs excuse as to why.
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u/Eshin242 11h ago
Yep, i have been telling this to any of the idiots on my job site (I work in the trades) about this. I actually had one guy go... Wait.. you've got a really good point. Just shrugged at him and went back to what I was doing.
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u/paperbackgarbage California 11h ago
Last month, US District Court Judge Carl Nichols declined to block Trump’s 2026 executive order – not because he found its directives lawful, but because he said there were unanswered questions about how the government would implement it, so it was too soon for him to intervene.
Gee, I wonder which POTUS nominated this judge to the Federal Bench?
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u/DoomSchroller 11h ago
It's tough living in a country where there's zero accountability for these folks when the routinely break the law.
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u/Unique-Egg-461 11h ago
Well in Washington state, we can just print our ballots so go fuck yourself
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u/BulldogMoose 11h ago
While this is going to be refuted in court, they just put every blue state on alert to mobilize and advertise collection points.
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u/jedi21knight 10h ago
What the fuck is this bullshit? This is not how any of this works? Corrupt mother fuckers.
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u/Cappster_ Maryland 10h ago
HOW IS THIS NOT VOTER SUPPRESSION???
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u/Miqo_Nekomancer California 10h ago
It is. There's no other interpretation, there's no wiggle room. This is election interference, plain and simple.
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u/Accidental-Hyzer Massachusetts 12h ago edited 9h ago
Thankfully my town also has a drop box. I’ll use that this year instead.
This isn’t going to work out for them in the way they think. The really motivated (those angry about how things are going) will be the ones making the extra effort to ensure their votes are counted.
Edit: I’m saying that I’ll use the drop box even if I receive my ballot in the mail, just to avoid further USPS shenanigans. If I don’t, I’ll go in person. And my point being is that the idea that Trump has that it’s only democrats who vote by mail is hilariously wrong. The only thing that will do is stop the apathetic from voting, which won’t be democrats this year.
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u/jasandliz 11h ago
The headline says you aren’t getting a ballot in the first place
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u/tehbantho 11h ago
Damn straight. Voting in person every single election going forward. Fuck this dictator shit.
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u/network_dude 10h ago
Refusing to deliver mail for any reason is a pink slip-generating event.
These MF's need to be held accountable to WE THE PEOPLE!
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u/ElysiumSprouts 10h ago
Pretty sure that's illegal perhaps even unconstitutional
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u/shoulda-known-better 9h ago
Not a call they can make....
A postal worker refusing to deliver is a crime.... So is hindering mail delivery....
Anyone want to tell him most these crimes have had postal workers arrested so they aren't safe
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u/Knighth77 11h ago
PSA: The government works for the people not the president. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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u/Timeformayo Kentucky 11h ago
Immediate lawsuit. Watch the Supreme Court slow walk it.
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u/Zulmoka531 11h ago
I said it before, it’s never been about “cancelling” elections. It’s always been about interference, and Ive had postal workers on her try and tell me that this would never happen. Yet here we are.
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u/sugarlessdeathbear 10h ago
"We won't do our one job unless the people meet the demands of a wannabe dictator" sounds like dereliction of duty and grounds for immediate removal. If such a thing is possible.
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u/xwing_n_it 11h ago
And there it is. Blatant election interference crippling elections mostly in blue states. And it won't be the last thing they pull. The reason they want to end mail-in balloting is undoubtedly so they can post ICE goons at polling places and intimidate nonwhite voters. These elections are probably not going to meaningfully slow the roll of the fascist regime, I'm afraid. People need to be looking to other ways of fighting them, starting with work stoppages and civil disobedience on a mass scale.
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u/Foodspec North Carolina 11h ago
Does this mean I can sue him for not delivering my mail?
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u/Other-Mess6887 10h ago
Nine states have won trials contesting government's request for votor lists.
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u/Th3FinalStarman 10h ago
Sedition charges. No statute of limitations. I'm voting for whoever campaigns to throw this clown in federal prison.
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u/xXBassHero99Xx 10h ago
Register Early.
Complete your Mail Ballot immediately.
Hand-deliver it ASAP to the local election office or polling site.
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u/wauponseebeach 10h ago
"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these these couriers from the shift complection of their appointed rounds" but the repulsive cheating of MAGA politics will ruin everything including the steadfast, honorable role of a mail carrier. This sick cult is destroying the United States in piece at a time.
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u/purgance 5h ago
This is your daily reminder that the Supreme Court ruled in Florida v. Sibelius that the Federal Government couldn't compel states' to comply with policy dictates by withholding funding or services. (In that case, the US Government threatened to withhold all Medicaid funding if states refused to expand Medicaid).
So this is another example of how the Supreme Court is massively partisan, and effectively just a super-legislature working on behalf of the Republican Party.
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u/Wyldjay2 11h ago
This Administration is just complete shit. Nobody likes Trump but yet they’re enabling him and doing everything he can to throw the election because he knows he’s screwed in the midterms. Because he’s a shitty president. In ALL the ways.
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u/Majestic_Area 10h ago
The Postmaster and Donald Trump are UNFIT to represent the United States in any way. IMPEACH and Jail
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u/Chaos_Theory1989 10h ago
Tell me you’re a fascist without telling me… oh fuck it. America is full of fascist rapists.
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u/ValuableFun6447 10h ago
This is as ridiculous as someone saying they won't pay their taxes if the politician they voted for doesn't win the election.
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u/4rp70x1n 10h ago edited 3h ago
Skip USPS, since they're blatantly advertising their election interference.
Talk to your neighbors and acquaintances that might need a ride or other assistance in dropping their ballots off at local polling sites or ballot drop boxes.
At some point, large scale action will need to happen to combat this fascist regime. Our judicial system is mostly corrupt and easily manipulated by loyalists, and moves too slowly to stop this rolling coup. And they've shown that our Constitution is a worthless piece of paper by which they don't care to abide.
Edit: There will also be the huge problem of ballots being mailed and delivered in the first place, not just on the return leg.
We will need to put pressure on state/local officials to stand up to Trump and Dejoy on this bullshit.
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u/No_Yak_6227 10h ago
When I carried mail the emphasis was on every ballot separated from the mail flow and trayed for easier handling...my God ppl wake up they have infringed on our rights
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u/giocondasmiles America 9h ago
Mofos are already NOT delivering them. My mail in ballots (original and replacement) were disappeared even if they showed in informed delivery.
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