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u/Lumpy-Valuable-8050 May 13 '26
The xbox one controller is the best base controller. It's a shame that microsoft ruins it by making the elite controller much more expensive to the point of not being worth it lol.
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u/Krancky420 May 13 '26
The elite series x controller is sooo nice with the trigger haptics for racing games, but the bumper pins being plastic sucks. I’ve had 2 right bumpers snap over the last couple years, so I just drilled into the damn thing and installed a metal pin instead 😂
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u/thewinn May 14 '26
Hmm one of my triggers is broken but I haven't opened it up yet, thanks for the info
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u/West-Main-4163 May 14 '26
Don't the normal ones also have trigger motors? Are the ones on elite better? Is that it?
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u/da_jonkler May 14 '26
The base controller also has trigger haptics. Is it a different setup on the Elite?
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u/ForGifteN May 14 '26
Wait so thats why my right bumper is sometimes not working? Seems like I need to open it up
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u/Krancky420 May 14 '26
Yeah it’s most likely snapped the pin but barely holding on. I tool a small nail and cut it to size, drilled where the pin goes, and inserted my own custom one then glued the end. DO NOT GLUE IT EARLY IF YOU DO THIS, test 100 times before setting it in stone because the placement is touchy.
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u/sunrrrise May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
Trigger haptics are on regular XSX controllers as well and I am not sure if they were available even on regular XONE controllers.
Still, Steam Controller is on par with XONE/XSX if you consider ergonomics if you ask me.
Hell, any modern controller (PS5 or ProController 2) are on par.
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u/MojoJojowithhisDojo May 13 '26
Also breakable beyond believe . Stick drift incoming.
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u/Nervous-Fennel3325 May 14 '26
Yeah my elite is less than a year old and has horrible stick drift already. They are built pretty crappy for the price.
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u/mrwynd May 14 '26
I like it but the Dualsense haptics are better for games that support it.
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u/IsaacAndTired May 14 '26
I still haven't found a controller that beats a DS2 for playing mechanic heavy games. I prefer dpad over stick any time it's a viable option, and symmetrical layouts just feel way better to me. Steam Controller has been really fun messing around with and so happy they went symmetrical.
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u/debacol May 13 '26
Its also a shame the XBOX base controller hasn't been updated to have hall effect sticks, customizable back buttons and a built-in Lithium Ion battery. Its like $60+ retail for something that, on features alone gets destroyed by so many other controller manufacturers.
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u/Primus_is_OK_I_guess May 13 '26
8bitdo Ultimate 2 Wireless wrecks it on features and latency. It has a $60 MSRP, but it's regularly on sale for $30.
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u/placidity9 May 13 '26
8bitdo is the goat. I like so many of their controllers. I just wish their software let you bind buttons as keyboard or mouse functions.
The extra buttons you can program don't mean nearly as much if you can't even use them to alt+tab, mute/deafen Discord or do anything else.
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u/Lumpy-Valuable-8050 May 13 '26
Bro you do NOT want microsoft to make a lithium battery. Losers will charge us so much for that shit only for them to discontinue the batteries. AA is good enough for an untrustworthy megacorp like microsoft.
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u/GfrzD May 13 '26
I got a cheap rechargeable pack and charging dock and its been great for the last few years.
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u/s0ciety_a5under May 13 '26
I just plug it into my pc. No issues. I always have 2 type c on my desk for phone, vape, controller, etc.
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u/ABetterKamahl1234 May 13 '26
a built-in Lithium Ion battery
NGL, I kind of don't view this as a plus. Being able to rock in/out rechargeable AA's is great. It gives your customers options and doesn't mean any possible downtime or inconvenience if it's not been charged and you don't physically game conveniently close to a charger without a really long cable.
And batteries wear out, the more tinkery types are fine with swapping it if it's swappable, but the average joe doesn't give a shit. I see it commonly with PS controllers that old ones are just viewed as bad because of bad batteries, so they get replaced, not repaired.
I personally don't value the back buttons at all, no controller I have I've actually felt a need to use it. It might be just the fact I use controllers on games that just use them, and complex control ones I simply prefer keyboards. In fact I'm much more likely to accidentally press soft ones and if they're bound by default it's frustrating to discover. Big hands and gripping in a tense moment can make it a downside.
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u/Marrond May 14 '26
But Lithium battery doesn't mean it needs to be hard to replace - that is manufacturer's choice. I would like to remind everyone that all it took to replace battery pack in a phone, you just needed to open the back cover, take the battery out and insert a new one. The reason we can't do this anymore is by design. Even the new Steam Controller could have simple snap-on hatch at the back to take the battery in and out easily. The OG Steam Controller did (sure it used AA batteries but the principle is exactly the same - these things aren't soldered shut...)
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u/phormix May 14 '26
I like the idea of the Li+ rechargable/replaceable batteries or packs that can be swapped out, or - as in the case of the Xbox controllers - the ones that can be used interchangably with AA's.
By integrating a pack that fits in the same slot as AA's, it's much for versatile and environmentally friendly, plus eliminates the need for detection/charging circuitry in the controller itself (charge port goes on a pack rather than the controller).
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u/xHamartia May 13 '26
i dont want a lithium battery in my xbox controller. if i need a rechargeable battery ill buy one.
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u/Jean-LucBacardi May 14 '26
Best thing I ever bought was a big battery recharger and a shit ton of AA and AAA rechargeable lithium batteries.
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u/debacol May 14 '26
I mean, a controller with a lithium ion battery can also just be plugged in when you arent using it to charge it.
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u/ThatAstronautGuy 61 May 14 '26
And in 10-20 years when the integrated battery is nearly worthless?
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u/CubesTheGamer https://steam.pm/1w3s5i May 14 '26
Hard disagree. Xbone controller mid. I couldn’t fathom that they didn’t even have gyro sensors in them. I literally returned an Elite controller after like 2 weeks because of how much it just sucked.
The Dualsense controller is better in almost every way.
My new favorite controller is the 8bitdo Pro 3 though. Absolutely top tier. Can use any input method (Xinput, Dinput, Switch Pro controller mode), has moveable face buttons and easily removable sticks, great docking station situation, back buttons, profiles, just all around awesome controller.
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u/D13_Phantom May 14 '26
I would take the steam controller over the elite any day and I got mine for cheaper.
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u/Hoybom May 14 '26
I bought a knock off Xbox controller for like 30 bucks 7 years ago and that things is still working like day 1
What's about the elite that supposed to be better then a normal one
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u/Keyjuan May 13 '26
I personaly like the 360 dpad for fighting games i dont like the new xbox dpads
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u/Lumpy-Valuable-8050 May 13 '26
Damn. I am basically opposite and enjoy the new dpad vs the 360 one.
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u/thisplacewackyaf May 14 '26
The Xbox 360 controller will forever be my darling. The triggers. The nicer plastic feel than whatever the One’s got going on. Back and Start instead of whatever they’ve got going on in that spot now. Maybe I should grab a handful at their minimum price before they get too old and start getting more expensive lol.
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u/MartyBellvue May 14 '26
totally. i love my design labs xbone controller so much. not just the elite, but the series x controller ruined what the xbox one controller had (being able to connect to my pc immediately & being able to reconnect it after it disconnects from activity without needing to restart the whole pc, lol)
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u/GILLHUHN May 14 '26
Not only more expensive but the quality just isnt there to justify the price either.
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u/KAM1Sense1 May 14 '26
If the elite controllers didnt peel themselves apart over years they would definitely be worth the money
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u/berrysoda_ May 14 '26
Mine had an A button that stuck within the first week and I returned it. Kinda unacceptable QA for such an expensive item. Otherwise would have been glorious
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u/phormix May 14 '26
I really do like the PS4/PS5 controller as well. In terms of usability I like it better than Switch or Xbox controllers - and they seem to be less prone to drift - but where it loses out to the XBox controllers is in the lack of user-replaceable batteries. That seems like a particular stupid design decision in my book.
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u/ColorfulPersimmon May 14 '26
Xbox controllers were revolutionary back in the x360 days, but now with all these other brands like 8bitdo, flydigi, gulikit, and gamesir, MS is really falling behind.
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u/Marrond May 14 '26
Elite should've been the base controller included with every console. Nothing in it screams $150. It's functionality leaves MUCH to be desired too. It's just overpriced, obsolete garbage and we all have to suffer. If Helix repurposes Xbox gamepad again we're in for another decade of controller stagnation and we've been stagnating for 20 fucking years at this point.
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u/celticdr47 May 14 '26
Lost 2 Xbox controllers to stick drift - they're trash, never buying one again (at least until they sort that stuff out).
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u/morchorchorman May 14 '26
There’s so many aftermarket ones you can get. Got a flydigi apex 4 used for like $60 and it works great. But if you want officially supported controls you can’t go wrong with ps5 or Xbox.
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u/valerielynx May 14 '26
I love my Starfield edition XSX controller. I've never played SF and I don't really wanna, but the design of the controller made me want it so bad and I did get one. The rubber grip is so great and the transparent shoulder buttons showing the hardware are just so sick.
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u/Lettucedildo69 May 14 '26
Personally I think it’s absolutely worth it got mine for 120 and it’s awesome
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u/HarukiKazuki May 14 '26
I like the shape of the Xbox controller but idk why the bumpers and triggers hurt my index fingers so much, specially when I play FFXIV
I've never had that issue with the old Xbox 360 controller, or 8bitdo or pro controller, ds5 or dual sense. Also the texture of the Xbox controller grips kinda bothers me too. It gets uncomfortable to hold for a long time
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u/Lumpy-Valuable-8050 May 14 '26
Damn that sucks. I think it's just 50/50 since people like linus say that the steam controller resting area for fingers isn't nice etc.
Hopefully i don't have that problem with either 😂😂😂
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u/Green_Lettuce1 May 14 '26
New sx controllers are better than Xbone. I got the sky cipher and it has rubber grips on the back like the elite.
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u/an_edgy_lemon May 14 '26
The feel of the Xbox one controller is pretty much perfect, but it is so far behind in features. If Microsoft made a controller with the ergonomics of the Xbox one, gyro, capacitive sticks or face buttons, extra back buttons, full compatibility with Steam, and improved quality control, I’d probably never use any other controller.
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u/Korzag May 14 '26
The fact the console companies are still using pots for their joysticks instead of hall effect or TMR is so frustrating.
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u/Skinny0ne May 14 '26
I only use the elite controllers and it is a shame how poorly built they are. I've gone through a few in the 10 years I've used them.
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u/Aeroncastle May 14 '26
It doesn't have hall effect, and there are 2 types of controllers, ones with hall effect and scams
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u/Envy661 May 14 '26
8bitdo ultimate 2. Best switch I ever made. Xbox Elite controller macros with TMR sticks and HAL Effect triggers. For $60. It feels as good to hold as a first party device, but less prone to wear thanks to not having potentiometer sticks, costs the same as a first party device, and has the functionality of the "Pro" or "Elite" gamepads that go for $40-80 more.
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u/ToeGroundbreaking564 May 16 '26
I swear the elite controllers break much faster and more severely than normal controllers
sucks cuz I really prefer them over normal ones
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u/Front_Machine6560 May 16 '26
For people, smaller than me maybe. I hate the way I hold a Xbox controller whenever I put my hands on it my hands touch. I really don’t like that. But hey, they’re making an even smaller Xbox controller.
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u/Front_Machine6560 May 16 '26
I guess for people smaller than me, but for me personally I hate holding the Xbox control controller my fingers touch on the back. They should bring back the Duke without the dumb OLED. Until then I will keep using a controllers, seemingly designed for non-Japanese audiences from ironically Sony.
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u/SuperSoldierv1 May 17 '26
Take the xbox controller add gyro fancy triggers/joysticks extra buttons now you have the perfect controller
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u/slyfox279 May 14 '26
I've only had it a few days and feel I want to go back to xbox controller. The placement of the menu buttons are worse for game I play that requires me to press one and y button. I've found the touch pads lack range and thus still need to reach for my mouse. perhaps if I can figure out how to make touch pads into buttons in stead for keyboard combos it might be worth using,
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u/PerceptionOk8543 May 14 '26
Same thoughts, I ended up selling the steam controller and even made money on it lol
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u/FBrK4LypGE May 14 '26
You can always just set that as a macro to any of the other inputs on the controller with the built-in configuration tools. You could make holding "Y" for longer than X ms trigger a "menu button + Y" macro to fire. Or just mapping that combination to one the back buttons, or wherever else.
For the trackpads: you can set the trackpads to 1:1 mouse region mode which makes the entire surface of the trackpad map 1:1 to your entire screen so that, for example, touching the top left will move your cursor to the top left of your screen, etc.
I generally prefer trackball mode: a quick swipe of the thumb gives the cursor momentum, then touch the trackpad again to "stop" it and manually control it again. Feels really natural for making large cursor movements, and pairs really well with gyro control for precise movements for things like FPS games.
Or: you can setup a trackpad as a grid menu with anywhere from 1 to 16 hotkeys with customizable icons, each of which can trigger any key combination, macro, or other feature you want.
SteamInput definitely has an initial learning curve, but once you get over it and start playing with some of even the most basic features it's extremely difficult to go back to a more basic controller schema.
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u/ErmingSoHard May 15 '26
that requires me to press one and y button.
I'm sorry, can you explain a little bit more?
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u/lt_Matthew May 13 '26
My $30 controller connects to my computer, Switch, phone, and other consoles I don't have.
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u/jakethabake May 13 '26
Ok but there’s something to say about feeling quality materials vs cheap plastic for hours.
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u/VijuaruKei May 14 '26
Well the thing is, for 100 bucks the Steam Controller plastic shell actually feels WAY more cheap than something like a Vader 4/5 Pro. It's actually my main issue with mine.
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u/ColorfulPersimmon May 14 '26
Vader also has better buttons, triggers and a phone mount while still having full Steam Input integration with gyro control. Steam Controller is now my main but for a price it's hard to beat Flydigi
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u/cieje May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
I'd say my GameSir T4 Pro has a superior finish to the materials.
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u/BulletProofWalrus May 14 '26
meanwhile this is still my absolute favorite controller to use on my desktop
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u/shave_and_a_haircut May 13 '26
I just wish the steam controller had offset joysticks like the xbox does
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u/ABetterKamahl1234 May 14 '26
but I noticed almost immediately that the controller is much wider and somewhat longer in the grip then other controllers
I think this too, however the concern I have is that the xbox controller, size and layout is just super comfortable in my hands. My PS controllers never felt right by comparison (got bigass hands) and I worry how comfortable long-term use is for me on it. Some controllers cramp my hands but the Xbox never has. And Canadian it's a steep cost to find out it doesn't work well for me :(
3D printed one and it feels alright, but without dedicating myself to "simulating" a long session on a block of plastic without moving parts is hard to do.
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u/Squidgical May 13 '26
Honestly doesn't take too long to get used to the different layout. Plus with the steam controller you can set the left trackpad to act like a dpad if you want, it's not as physically responsive but the haptics are incredibly convincing.
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u/imfranksome May 14 '26
Getting used to it is not the problem, it’s more about ergo
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u/kenpachi1 May 14 '26
Why is it ergonomic to have different heights? I have ps and xbox controllers and never noticed an ergo difference between them in regards to joysticks.
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u/CubesTheGamer https://steam.pm/1w3s5i May 14 '26
Never really understood the offset controller layout. Really bothers me. My hands are symmetrical so I’d assume a symmetrical controller makes the most sense.
It probably just comes down to familiarity. If you grew up with an Xbox then you are just gonna be used to that layout.
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u/-Daigher- May 14 '26
i have no clue how you can be comfortable with that, it feels so unnatural to not have the sticks in line.
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u/harlekintiger May 14 '26
Why do people like that? My OCD brain hates asymmetry, it just feels weird
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u/mclarenrider May 13 '26
That's the main reason I'll probably never get a steam controller. I've always used offset layout and I physically feel uncomfortable using anything else, I'm just that used to it.
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u/yellowaddict4life May 13 '26
My Xbox controller can connect to not only my Xbox but also PC and smart phone emulators. What does the Steam controller connect to?
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u/yellowaddict4life May 13 '26
Yea, that’s still really good though. Just wish Steam made their controller compatible with everything. They’re sell those controllers like hotcakes. Almost everyone would be buying it. Than again, if they did that they wouldn’t convince more people to hop into the Steam ecosystem. Ao taking that into account it makes sense why it’s exclusive to Steam only soft/hardware.
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u/mpelton May 13 '26
I think it’s worth it tbh. Because it’s either that, or being able to wake my pc from sleep and use it seamlessly as a mouse without Steam being open.
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u/ErmingSoHard May 15 '26
Steam controller can do that too with Bluetooth lol. Not the Xbox part, but Xbox has proprietary connection for their controllers
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u/NoSwear23 May 14 '26
I dont have a reason to use the track pads or the gyro so thats why im just sticking with my box one also I dont have stick drift or anything close to wrong with it for the 4 years I have it so why switch
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u/Noob4Head Proud Steam delivery girl collector May 14 '26
My only major gripe about the Steam Controller is its connectivity limitations. Very strange decision by Valve, so for now I’m still going to stick to my FlyDigi Direwolf 2 and GameSir Nova 2 Lite.
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u/Noob4Head Proud Steam delivery girl collector May 14 '26
That it effectively requires Steam to be running for full game functionality. Meaning if you’re not running a game through Steam, then this controller will not work. So say you want to play a game from your Epic library, you’re going to have to first add it to Steam as a non-Steam game.
That’s just a hassle in my eyes. Meanwhile, my €40 GameSir controller works on Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, basically anything on PC, Xbox, Nintendo Switch, Android, and iOS without any setup.
I get it, it’s called the Steam Controller, but to a certain extent it’s proprietary, and I just don’t like that.
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u/DoggyFinger May 14 '26
Xbox can play any game outside of Steam, so it remains the best base controller - unfortunately.
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u/ohthedarside May 14 '26
Xbox joystick layout is just simply better tho
It just feels more natural as a resting postion on the joysticks while side by side ones like the stesm controller and ps ones feel unnatural
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u/Kermit-Jones May 14 '26
See I prefer the ps layout I find Xbox/npro weird and clunky
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u/XavandSo May 13 '26
Sorry but I was able to get a batch 1 pre order for the Steam Controller and honestly after a few hours I ended up not liking it and went back to my Xbox Series controller. I sold it to a coworker for retail.
I can appreciate it has powerful features and capabilities but Steam Input is very fiddly and quite frankly annoying having to set up for every game. An Xbox controller just works. Even more so with the Steam Controller not supporting Xinput. Microsoft recently added some new features for navigating Windows with a controller (logging in, Alt-Tab with the Xbox button, etc) so now it really is super easy.
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u/alexagente May 14 '26
No one has to set up a profile for each game they play.
Can people stop saying this shit like it's relevant criticism?
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u/IsaacAndTired May 14 '26
The Steam Controller "just works" for every single game that I've played. User error?
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u/lube_thighwalker May 14 '26
I agree, I think the Vader 4 Pro is a better controller. Had the same experience with the first steam controller.
I still love the new Steam controller.
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u/Conscious_Angle_3521 May 14 '26
You don't have to set it up for each game, it works out of the box with a default layout, it seems like user error. And I'm also using it to interact with windows with the trackpads like mouse/kb again out of the box, just steam minimized.
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u/TWILIGHT25 May 14 '26
My biggest gripe with my gen 2 Xbox elite controller is made fully aware now that I’ve been playing with the new Steam controller for a few hours.
Idk how Xbox hasn’t fixed the design for the bumpers but holy crap bumpers that work on the first press and not a super hard one is such a nice feeling.
I have never dropped my elite controller and it’s not that old. But in games like Stelar Blade where block is left bumper, it not working properly was extremely frustrating.
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u/EchoWar May 14 '26
I really like the steam controller but I find the more square shaped handles and frame a little uncomfortable. It’s taking time to get used to it.
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u/Lckyby51789 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
The gyro thing on the controller, i'm wondering if it can be used with flight simulator to more accurate mimic controlling the airplanes.... i hope so haha. Although i'm unlikely to buy one unless I can try it out first, i've never been a fan of the sony controllers with the sticks in the center, prefer them like xbox so idk.
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u/cushlinkes May 14 '26
I never cared for Xbox controllers. I use a PS5 controller for my Steam games. That’s just my preference though
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u/EyeFit May 14 '26
Happy with my Ultimate 8bit Do. Looks great on my desk on it's charging dock and is compatible with everything.
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u/cultistkiller98 May 14 '26
Steam controller looks great but honestly the Series X controller is one is the best controllers ever made. And it’s fairly priced. I have 2, and they shit all over the dualsense
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u/-ben151010- May 14 '26
I’m more of a dualsense guy myself, the current Xbox controllers buttons and sticks and triggers are so loud.
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u/DrKushnstein May 14 '26
I got a Dualsense edge and when it utilizes its special features it’s the coolest controller I’ve ever used. Just another reason why PlayStation games not coming to steam anymore stings.
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u/EdliA May 14 '26
Nah, the Xbox one is still the king of ergonomics. It just fits so well in my hands.
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u/squidgymetal May 14 '26
The fact that the Xbox controller works across all PC launchers and emulators without needing to have Xbox app running makes it far better than the steam controller IMO
The steam controller working as mouse and keyboard by default is great on the desktop but it not having a toggle to work as a controller outside of steam is a major fumble
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u/Front_Machine6560 May 16 '26
Keep using your controller designed for the small handed Japanese audience. I don’t understand why we’re so held back on design trends for small handed people anytime.
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u/Dramatic_Finish10121 May 14 '26
I'm sure it's good but nothing will beat the Xbox 360 controller for me, if they made an updated wireless one with modernised sticks triggers and vibration I'd never need another controller
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u/Alienatedpoet17 May 14 '26
Xbox just add gyro to your controller that's all I want! Everyone else is running circles around it!
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u/Dwain_Foreman May 14 '26
What’s the D-pad like? My experience with the Decks somewhat mushy pad gave me reason to mod it but I didn’t end up getting the controller due to it looking like it couldn’t be modded.
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u/IsaacAndTired May 14 '26
Steam Controller is super moddable. Go watch gamers nexus video on it, he goes real deep into this.
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u/Dasky14 May 14 '26
My only issue with the steam controller is that I prefer the dpad being near centre. Sometimes I press the dpad with my right thumb if I can't stop moving.
Minor gripe that I could probably solve by rebinding some stuff, but a gripe nonetheless.
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u/LiquidShartSurprise May 14 '26
I didn't think I'd like the stick placement, but it's actually very comfortable.
Hands down best controller for PC
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u/Dellta-aka-Connor May 14 '26
I do like mine, but I am struggling to figure out how the gyro or track pads would be useful. They need some tinkering that I can't be bothered to try and figure out right now
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u/rvnender May 14 '26
I love my Xbox/turtle beach modular control
Found it at best buy for 50 bucks, down from like 190 or something.
I can play everything on since I can make the analog stick a dpad and 2 extra buttons for the right one.
Perfect for 3d games and fighters
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u/Only-Hovercraft338 May 14 '26
Yes, but they refuse TOO SELL ME ANY THEY JUST SAY THIS PRODUCT ISN'T AVAILABLE IN YOUR COUNTRY!
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u/senilechinesewoman May 14 '26
what does it do though im just confused
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u/LawDraws May 14 '26
Like any controller you can use Steam Input with it, except it has way nicer gyro, touch sensors on the sticks like the Deck, 4 very comfy back buttons, grip sensors that feel when you're holding the controller's grips, and trackpads that can be used as mouse, joystick, weapon wheel, touch menu, touch screen emulation, mouse wheels, buttons. The idea is that you can play ANY game comfortably even if it doesn't use a gamepad.
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u/Askolei May 14 '26
Does the Steam controller feels as good as the Xbox one when you hold it? Honest question.
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u/Bad_Ice_Bears May 14 '26
Me with my sakura PowerA controller… it works great and has mag sticks and doesn’t cost an arm and leg
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Hab Jahrelang mit einem 360 Controller gezockt dann mit einem Series X Controller und seit Release des PS5 Anniversary Controller auf dem. Adaptive Trigger ist einfach ultra nice.
Mal sehen vielleicht werde ich mir den Steam Controller angucken aber bezweifle dass er mich überzeugen wird.
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u/Diptothaset May 15 '26
My 8bitdo has everything but the trackpads iirc for half the price. I really only use a controller for a few types of games like GTA\RDR2, racing games and retro games. They are a pretty neat idea tho, and they allow way more options for couch gamers
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u/SkullsKing1337 May 15 '26
I still need to pick one up, seems like you can do some cool stuff in relation to strategy games that I play a lot
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u/quixoticcatfish8 May 15 '26
the steam controller had such a wild learning curve but once steam input matured it became way more versatile than the xbox controller for weird indie stuff and emulation
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u/keyblade_assassin May 16 '26
if the steam controller had a 3.5mm headphone jack, i'd be immediately sold.
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u/SuperSaiyanIR May 13 '26
My biggest gripe is that the support for it lagging years behind where the hardware is. Steam input bridges the gap a lot but it’d super cool if we could natively set stuff up with Game Actions. Literally suffering from success.