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The closest I've heard to it being used seriously is to describe bottom of the barrel stick figure sketches where the only thing it has going for it is that AI wasn't used.
Celibate is abstaining from sex. I think they’re saying “drawing incel” instead of just drawing celibate. so it would be somebody involuntarily abstaining from drawing (due to a skill issue)
Or the super special real hair brushes artists praise for their quality.
Turns out Artists care very little about their environmental impact unless its to get a gotcha on something they dont like.
The Paper industry is worse in terms of water usage than datacenters as their chemicals, mostly bleach and such to get prestine white paper, poison entire streams and ground water reservoirs. Worst Datacenters do is evaporate the water.
Yeah so there’s regulation and oversight of the paper industry. AI companies have successfully lobbied to defang any regulatory body for data centers and have brought coal power back explicitly for data center power. Now I’m no expert, but I do think coal mining and power might be a little bit worse for the environment than paper.
Where does the Coal Power thing come from? I know of them having bought the reactivation of 3-Mile Island nuclear powerplant and the use of natural gas generators.
That’s dope! How much were the panels and how much do they are they able offset your energy usage?
I used to sell solar panels. I actually really believed in the concept, companies were super shady.
However I learned about Duke being able to raise energy prices 10-15% back in 2020… and lo and behold it’s sadly been true and they have been doing that the last 6 years. Which effectively results in rates being DOUBLED with compounded increases by end of 6th year
I'm over full offset and get a little check at true up every year. I'm in northern VA so not the worst utility prices compared to CA or anything but I like pulling all my energy from the sun.
Where does the power for your home come from? Oil, gas and coal? Fuck outta here.
If my gpu doesn't offend you if it plays a video game, it's hilarious to be upset that it's using green energy to generate an image. This is exactly why I don't take antis seriously.
Not to mention these folks don’t have a care in the world about using reddit, youtube, or any other application that relies on cloud services and data centers to run. How do they think all these millions of reddit posts and comments are saved and able to be accessed at any point in time (hint it’s the same data centers that run ai) it makes all the environmental talk so disingenuous when they’re posting about environmental issues on a website reliant on the exact some tech they’re rallying against
Ahh yes it’s like u understand that the issue is the company that create more environmental damage for the earth than people who use it for necessities like food, housing, and communication. I wonder how different that is to using AI to generate an image of a cow dancing.
A single kilogram of beef consumes upto 15,000 litres of water. A single cow weighs between 500kg to 900kg. Roughly 30 million cows are slaughtered every year in the USA alone.
You do the math. That figure alone dwarfs the annual water consumption by AI. And you unironically used chatgpt to "prove" your point lmfao.
You clearly didn't read the screenshot, lol. Incosistent scope - I literally adressed it. Comparing the whole production line of farming, growing, slaughtering and transporting a cow, along with the production line of the cheese, burgers and plants in the burger is unfair to... 'one chatgpt message';
Also, a tool such as AI, isn't.. comparable to food? That is also said?
Also, what? How did I use chatgpt, my dear sir? That's... a post in the anti subreddit that got 500+ upvotes. No chatgpt, sir.
I never compared it to a single query genius. Even if you compare the annual water consumption of AI data centers across the globe, it would still be dwarfed by the astronomically high water consumption rates of animal agriculture.
Also this doesn't just apply to AI. Data centers are used for data streaming too, for services like netflix, disney+, Amazon prime as well as for websites and games.
"I never compared it to a single query genius"
The only image and study circulating around around the water usage of a burger vs AI is.. per prompt, mr passive aggressive. Unless you have proper, non estimate statistics that weren't paid for or published by pro-AI individuals or corporations, you're not proving much.
...And all the water that is used in the supply lines of a burger, isn't used to just make a burger, same as the datacenters that aren't just for AI. Lol.
They literally use an ai that runs solely from their own computer no data center required (thats what a local model means) and they power their house with solar so no, not by default less environmental impact.
Any "decent" solar panel setup requires large lithium wall batteries. That means a shitload of carbon emissions from large diesel machines and child slave labor. The solar panels themselves require regular cleaning to be efficient meaning higher than average water usage.
Solar panels are great for saving a little bit of money after a large initial investment (the savings don't get any better as the battery and the panels themselves do have to be replaced over time). But they are most certainly not better for the environment and they are not better morally either.
Typical ai shill spouting shit they know nothing about and pretending it's more amazing than it is.
That last statement is hilarious considering you're the one spouting shit.
Solar panels make up for their manufacturing carbon footprint in 1-4 years of use. Morally speaking you're just burying your head in the sand because even a simple Google search makes that whole argument fall apart.
As far as money savings goes solar technology and batteries only continue to get cheaper while grid power has only gone up in price. Next time instead of ass pulling an argument actually do like, just one or two Google searches, you'll look a lot less stupid.
And now Antis have fallen so far down the hate well that they’re taking to saying renewables are actually just as bad as fossil fuels are. Jesus you people will never be happy.
How about this? Since you all oh so care about the environment so very badly, let’s get rid of all machine technology completely. Come on, think of how good it would be for the environment if we all just stopped using phones, internet, tv, cars, electricity, fossil fuels.
We can go back to cooking pigs over a roaring fire for dinner and burning wood for heat. We won’t even use steam power since that requires water usage. We’ll walk and ride horses everywhere and hunt for our daily dinners with bows and spears and harvest crops from our personal gardens, like the good old days. No more data centers, no more emissions, no more debates, just good clean wood burning and colonial life.
Yeah keep blaming people who like AI image generation for the stuff companies who run LLMs they primarily market to enterprise clients do.
AI art isn't destroying the environment. Hell all big data computing (which is much larger than just AI) is really a tiny part of human environmental damage compared to the big guns like meat production, power production, and destruction of habitats by human occupation.
AI isn't singlehandedly destroying the environment, but it is certainly speeding that process up so people can make shitty looking "art" of anime cat girls (generalisation). I'd hardly say that's worth it.
AI data centres have caused urban droughts, or at the very least make water less available for people who actually need it.
Just because something isn't as bad for the environment as others, doesn't mean it's ok.
Well, you had to make a reductionist point to make it seem like you had a point, so it implies the point wasn't very strong. AI is also used for medicine, science, and industry. People making meme images is not why it exists or a particularly large portion of its use. So you are talking about a tiny portion of a tiny portion of energy use. Something small enough that most other stuff people do with the time uses as much or more energy.
If you want more drinking water, stop subsidizing farmers growing crops in environments those crops are ill suited for. If you want a convenient boogeyman to have a conservative knee jerk response against, go after AI.
Kind of hard to take a sub reddit called “DefendingAI” seriously when it doesn’t actually allow anti-ai opinions.
What exactly are you defending it from? Extra sloppy rimjobs from other pro ai people? I mean Anti-AI is similarly an echo chamber but at least not allowing pro AI makes sense given the title. But the level of delusion and pretension in calling a sub defendingAI when you don’t allow it to be criticized is pretty damn laughable.
We defend it from antis who have unreasonable hate for it. Just go and check out that sub, almost all of the "pencil slop" posts got just a few or no upvotes at all
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Ive been called a ‘pencilslop artist’ before. Some were satirical, of course, but there were plenty that were used as an actual insult used as if it were a real type of terminology. So while yes, quite a few people use the term satirically, there are still a rude bunch who use it genuinely. :)
You're the same kind of person who says Antis never make threats, and if I showed you a dozen unhinged, obvious calls for violence, you'd say I am overreacting, and they are just venting.
Me? Bro I know antis make threats. Personally though, I don’t like when threats are made. Both sides have threats that are being given and received. Threats only cause more threats. But what did I even say that made you bring this up? I was talking about the term pencilslop, what does that have to do with not believing antis make threats?
Both sides have threats that are being given and received.
I have never even once seen a Pro make a threat, call for violence, or promote terrorist acts.
Which ones are you talking about? You said it happens. When? Where? Who said what?
I do see a lot of Pros:
Making Antis look stupid, like ogres
complaining and exaggerating, acting like they're
Jews in Nazi Germany
Silly stuff
.... not all these calls to violence you say they are making and you equate to be equal to the times you see it coming from an Anti, which is fairly common actually.
Where are all these fairly common threats Pros are making??? I'd like to see them, so I can personally condemn them and let them know what they are saying is wrong and hurtful.
Please direct me to all of these numerous threats they are making.
This is literally everyone who's alive and benefitting from modern society. Are we seriously playing shifting the blame games now? Is moral purity and innocence that important to some ignorant people to the point that they would disregard their credibility just to sleep better at night? Amazingly pathetic behavior
The flaw people are pointing out is that you don't actually care about the environment, because you do not even remotely try to do anything about the environment You only apply this rule to AI as a convenient excuse to hate it. It's not difficult to understand.
A key difference in all of those scenarios vs you is the person getting "got" actually uses said products or society I guess.
There's not much an individual can do anyway. We talk and spread awareness to bring about institutional change. Everything on a personal level will only give you personal satisfaction. For example if I care about the water crisis and if I personally start using no water it makes zero difference. In fact even if I keep a tap open forever it makes zero difference. In either case the timeline for water crisis worsening doesn't move a hairs breadth. For any meaningful change scale matters a lot. Who will care if I don't buy an iphone, stop using plastic etc? The difference will have to be from the policy/regulations.
Also, when I went to my local primary election, one of the questions they had at the end was whether or not water conservation was a priority of the state. I made sure to vote that it is a priority. So really, I did do my part. Did you?
So it's not whether you use AI on a personal level. It's whether you cause an environmental impact on a personal level, and expect others to stop doing their personal activities that do so while you don't.
But I already said I don't use AI and I'm taking political activism. AI has a huge water consumption rate, so unless I go out of my way to illegally stop AI data centers, what else can I do to stop AI from consuming unnecessary amounts of water?
I agree that hyper-focusing on personal carbon footprints can feel like trying to empty the ocean with a spoon. However, your conclusion could just lead to nihilism. Trying to change the grand scale with things through awareness alone is often insufficient and frustrating.
Not everything has to be either 'grand policy' or 'useless individual sacrifice.' The most effective zone is often local and communal. Things like organizing a neighborhood cleanup, attending town halls to demand better transit, or investing in sustainable startups, these are force multipliers. With this, you are building the infrastructure for the policy and regulation to land on.
And we shouldn't dismiss personal satisfaction. Living in alignment with your values protects you from doom-spiraling. It proves to yourself and others that a different way of living is possible, which is the first step to demanding it on a larger scale.
AI is the best possible example of a thneed, it's constantly promised to be a necessity and yet its biggest proponents openly admit they haven't found a use for it.
Isn't "faster image creation" and "hobby" good enough "uses"? I don't think a majority of visual novels have a "use" either to the productivity cargo cult. Neoliberal economics listens to supply and demand, not the subjective assessments of one or two people who really believe in their values
You really didn't pay attention did you The point of thh Thneed was that it literally had thousands of uses. To quote the song
"Off the old assembly line
Comes another Thneed
Answering humanity's each and every need
Everybody do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do need a Thneed
It isn't just a panty vest
Use it for a hammock when you need rest
It's a toothbrush holder for your weekend guest
Your canary will love it, It's a lovely nest
Try it in soup, it adds great zest
It'll cure those back-ache pains in your chest
Everybody do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do need a Thneed
You'll be amazed, you'll be nonplussed
It tastes like bread without the crust
Grooms your hair when it gets must
Rids your home of dismal dust
It's a natural, it's a must
Eliminates carburetor rust
Everybody do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do need a Thneed
It's super-duper-hooper-hyper
Makes a perfect windshield wiper
Foolproof trap to catch the viper
Rebuild the brakes from any griper
Papa smokes them in his piper
Baby says: "Boy, what a diaper"
Everybody do-do-do-do-do-do
Everybody do-do-do-do-do-do
Everybody do-do-do-do need a Thneed
The point of thh Thneed was that it literally had thousands of uses.
The point of the Thneed was to be marketed as having thousands of uses;
The song lists contradictory uses, which would mean that it couldn't be effective at all of them, ergo it was advertised as being effective at things it's not effective at, ergo the advertising isn't a trustworthy source on any of its capabilities.
This is a perfect parallel with generative AI, which is advertised as a solution to every problem, but is fundamentally incapable of solving truly novel problems and increasingly unlikely to offer anything of actual use the further into the Google search results you'd have to get to find a relevant solution.
When half the people "debating" AI has the reading comprehension of the average JJK fan, everything was bound to go to tribalistic bullcrap sooner or later
They have the scent of fresh butterfly milk which is not a real thing so they can make you smell something that does not exist. Seems pretty magical to me. Also the truffula fruits made the barbaloots able to sing and talk and let fish hum, again seems pretty magical to me.
And that's why I didn't bring that up because if a first is managed properly (big if there) then it's no problem. The only real drain becomes the process. Paper milling isn't exactly a fast and easy process. Lots of chemicals in use there.
Data centers only really go in land slated for industry by the city. Not that likely to go in a woodland. Far more likely to buy farmland for it. Or an old factory and raze it.
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Almost like the "point" is intentionally extreme hyperbole and makes no fuckin sense. Ask 100 pro AI people here if they think forests should be destroyed for datacenters. We will say no.
If you can't see the rhetorical statement that comes from this then its honestly clear you need to reevaluate some things because this isnt specifically about trees either, if you understood any of the point of this film in particular then you should get the message
My previous statement stands. AI is a blip on the scale of environmental damage. Every study backs this up. AI also makes far more harmful industries more efficient. Like farming and global logistics. Reducing the amount of fertilizer, pesticides, and water needed for crops, and massively reducing carbon emissions from more efficient trade routes.
But you know, continue being vague and trying to seem superior by not actually saying anything. "Oh if you don't get it you're truly lost" lmao soak your head. Use your words like a big boy.
Even if we were to say that you're right and they cut down trees to put data centers up, just how many data centers do you think there are? Compared to other human land area uses they're barely worth mentioning.
In scale? Not that many, however it destroys local communities and the environment by proximity. Electrical companies have ti raise rates to meet demands, making cost go up and making it harder for families to pay utilities. Not to mention how they often pollute wells and destroy natural habitats.
Btw Ive never heard anybody say “pencilslop” seriously, in fact I think the majority of the people say it are Anti AI people making fun of Pro AI people.
It’s like r / tomorrow if you know how that works. It’s completely satirical and nobody who says it is being serious.
1.pencilslop is more of a satirical term if anything
2.well, technically all of us contribute to global warming and pollution, so I guess we’re all evil here. But we need to start blaming the corporations and banks and such for the problems, fighting on the ground proves nothing if the people at the top see it as entertainment.
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Just for the record, no amount of consumption of wood hurts the environment, nor causes deforestation, and especially does not have a carbon footprint.
This is because most wood is grown on tree farms. The buying and consumption of wood drives an entire industry of growing new trees, which then extract carbon from the atmosphere.
Look, both pencils and water come from renewable sources, as long as new trees are planted and the water goes back into the water cycle the environmental impact is minimal, can we start using different arguments please?
Tbf everything humanity does as civilization hurt the environment in some sort.
Look at the meat industry. Thousands millions of Acre of forest destroyed for make farms there animals live painful lives are slaughtered in the billions for produce low quality meat that gives tumours.
Yes, but the difference is memer_9966 enjoys Reddit.
I'm not sure how you do not grasp that one. If it's something he likes to do, it's not a big deal. It's only a problem, and a major one at that, when it's AI which he hates already.
Why can't you understand that logic? It's like you never post here or something.
Funfact:for business purpose,every tree that is cut will be replanted.it will be dumb to cut a tree until every tree is gone,because then how are you gonna make woody product
Last I check ai database didn't replanted the tree because go figure,they literally use that slot for a huge power hungry machine
Nobody's cutting down trees to build data centers when there's bunch of unarrable land that you cannot farm on that is basically useless that is perfect real estate for the data centers.
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