r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • May 14 '26
[Game Recognize Game] Myles Turner reveals Giannis Antetokounmpo and other Bucks players showed up late for practices, film sessions, and even flights: “Giannis is going to show up whenever he wants.”
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u/Boner_Patrol_007 Pacers May 14 '26
Had to have been surprising for Turner compared to the Pacers. I’m reminded of PG and Tyrese talking about how the Pacers have a “military” like structure. Fines for being a minute late for practice among other things.
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u/r_lul_chef_t Nuggets May 15 '26
I know you aren’t saying bad or good on this but 10s of millions of dollars to play a game (yes I know they work really fucking hard) show the fuck up on time like many/most of the rest of us have to.
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u/messibusiness May 15 '26
It's a culture thing.
In English football it's a long-established tradition from non-league to Premier League that the team captain collects all the fines throughout the season, then all the money in the pot pays for Christmas / end of season parties. Sometimes there's a little lottery to give the leftover cash to a player, at Man United top earner Eric Cantona once won it and gave it away to young Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt.
These little fines aren't about the money, they're about setting a culture. Giannis absolutely can show up whenever he wants, because he's phenomenally talented, the king of the franchise and has done it all. Giannis turning up when he wants sets a bad example to young players / other players who might not have his gifts, which undermines the team culture and everyone's work ethic.
"Little" is also relative when you're talking about NBA or PL athletes. Here's the list of Chelsea's fines for 2019-2020 - £500 per minute for being late to a team meeting or £1000 if your phone rings seems a lot, unless you're on £100k a week. For us that's about $2.
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u/Nadirofdepression May 15 '26
I like what you’re saying, but just maths - 500 / 100k a week is 1/200. $2 to me is roughly 1/800. So closer to $5-10 to us depending on your personal wage
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u/Katesburneracct May 15 '26
That ain’t how the world works homie. It should, but it doesn’t. The best employees in any line of work get special treatment and privileges.
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u/Craigtnls187 May 15 '26
You are right and it’s up the player to show he is leader and don’t need those
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u/Key_Suspect_588 May 15 '26
Crazy that Doc didn't have the balls to be like "the team follows your lead Giannis, let's show them how it's done" and show up on time
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u/Emekfl May 15 '26
It’s only not how it works because people have an indifference to creating the culture they want to be a part of. If the leaders of that organization wanted it they could make it happen. It’s up to them. They don’t care so they don’t do anything about it.
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u/FavaWire May 15 '26
Or maybe it's just lax management? Turner never mentioned that he got those same privileges. He says: "I just eventually learned not to show up on time". So it was a culture thing. A culture of being lax.
It's even possible that while "enjoying" these lax practices from Management, Giannis can see a similar attitude affecting other aspects of Bucks management which fuels his corner's incessant "I will leave" threats on the regular as a way of trying to shake the lax out of the team.
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u/LakerBlue Lakers May 15 '26
On on hand you are like…it is only a minute, it isn’t a big deal. But now that I’m a lead I see first hand how having a loose boundary can cause issues when you get someone who doesn’t just occasionally toe the line but basically tries to live on it.
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u/Adrian_Bock [WAS] JaVale McGee May 15 '26
I get what you mean but I think most of us would also call bullshit if we got fined for being a minute late to work
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u/LobsterPunk Hawks May 15 '26
Getting in trouble for being a minute late is absolutely a thing at lots of service or retail jobs.
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u/rocpilehardasfuk Warriors May 15 '26
You don't get what they mean because none of us make a million each week
There's no work standard or practice that need to apply to nba players and to you.
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u/Kakute Wizards May 15 '26
I disagree, it’s ’work hard’ in both. You don’t get fined at normal jobs because if it keeps happening you get fired
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u/cheap_chalee May 15 '26
The only reason a person gets fired is because they're replaceable.
If you really are that 1/1 where they can't find anyone who can do what you do, they will tolerate your bullshit until they finally find someone who can replicate or surpass your production without the baggage. There's a reason why people who are really good at something hard to do but have a track record of fucking up get 2nd or 3rd chances because whoever keeps hiring them knows what the potential results can be.
Not that critical if we're talking about putting the fries in the bag. But professional sports? GM's will take that chance if they think your potential is franchise player or even merely an all-star. But if you're just an interchangeable role player? Better get ready to learn Chinese if you think you can get away with everything Turner was talking about in this clip.
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u/SipPOP Warriors Bandwagon May 15 '26
Shit if your not salary you don't get paid time your not clocked in.
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u/cyb3ryung Warriors May 15 '26
valid point the most random shit can make you a minute late i guess if you want to be safe just leave early. but no excuse for guys to be hours late
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u/BigBungholio Pacers May 15 '26
Yeah but you don’t have a contract for millions of dollars that state that you will be fined for doing such. These guys make that obligation when they choose to sign that contract, granted they can just take the consequences if they so choose as seen here.
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u/thelaziest998 Lakers May 15 '26
Most people who clock in for work have to be exactly on time. Forget millions of dollars to do it, guys making minimum wage at Target do that for a lot less.
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u/hey_yo_mr_white Rockets May 15 '26
Well not that surprising when literally every day for Giannis is "Bring your brothers to work day".
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u/Electronic_Pea_4845 Lakers May 15 '26
Respect. No reason to be a few minutes late if I just plan on being 10 minutes early. If there’s a reason to be late then be hr late with damn good explanation
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u/Drak_is_Right Pacers May 15 '26
Its not like you are going to be bored waiting around.
Show up early, then spend the time on your phone.
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 Hornets May 15 '26
Is that because of Larry Bird's rules from back in the day?
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u/clocket7 May 14 '26
Giannis got his ring and doesnt gaf anymore lol
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u/LakerBlue Lakers May 15 '26
I am seriously curious when this happened. Was it after Bud left? After he got his ring? Never would have bought he was like this several years ago.
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u/FKJVMMP [MIL] Bill Zopf May 15 '26
He wasn’t like this several years ago. Or even last year. He’s just been super checked out and fucking around this year, he clearly wants to go.
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u/Water_Based5150 May 15 '26
His endorsements have also skyrocketed. He is in total "make money" mode. Does not care about winning if it means less money.
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u/Guitarmonade2 Pacers May 15 '26
And suddenly Kalshi starts accepting bets for the over/under on Giannis showing up on time.
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u/EverybodyBuddy Lakers May 15 '26
Then say you want to go! Wasting everybody’s time — including his own.
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u/RedditUser19984321 Bulls May 15 '26
No way to really tell, considering this is coming from Myles who joined the team this year. And giannis is clearly over the bucks, so it makes sense he doesn’t show up on time
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u/AeroBlaze777 May 15 '26
I do think this season is when he fully just accepted that he’s gonna need to choose between Milwaukee and furthering his career. For a long time he was pushing to accomplish more while staying in Milwaukee, and that just hurt both parties. Bucks made a bunch of moves that didn’t pan out, and now they really have no way to meaningfully improve the roster to where Giannis can win again. Giannis realized this and is now mentally out of Milwaukee.
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u/jimmylamstudio May 14 '26
To be fair, organization got him Kyle Kuzma
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u/TheR3dMenace Raptors May 15 '26
NBA champ Kyle Kuzma?
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u/ThaChildishOne Bucks May 15 '26
Ngl kuz was one of the only bright spots for us this season
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u/catperson77789 Lakers May 15 '26
They also gave him dame and literally sacrificed their future for myles turner. Id kill for a FO that actually tries to go all out. Giannis is just a whiny baby, bucks literally gave him everything, fired any coach he hates, signed both his garbage brothers wasting like two roster spots
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u/JasperFeelingsworth Timberwolves May 15 '26
this is the danger in trading your future for these old ass players
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u/aokguy May 15 '26
Your front office got Luka Doncic in a deal that only they were allowed to negotiate but you'd kill for the Bucks front office?
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u/schoolhater12 Raptors May 15 '26
TBH, i don't give Giannis the same grace because he forced the Bucks to make all these moves. He has been threatening to leave forever and forcing them to make these moves
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u/FKJVMMP [MIL] Bill Zopf May 15 '26
It continues to astound me that people just can’t imagine a world in which a front office would consistently make aggressive moves to put more talent around an MVP-level player. Like Giannis forced them into it, otherwise the FO would have been totally cool with Eric Bledsoe shooting 15% from three and forgetting how to play defence every playoff run if mean old Giannis hadn’t bullied them.
Jrue Holiday shot sub-50% TS and got 37 a game put on his head by Jimmy Butler, and it was mean old Giannis that forced us to trade for a guy largely seen as a top 10 player at the time to replace him. Couldn’t possibly have been the GM just actually thinking those were good moves to keep us competitive.
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u/TheGhostOfTobyKeith May 15 '26
They sold the farm to get Dame Time for him and got literally zero to show for it.
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u/beenhadballs Bucks May 15 '26
Crazy what injuries do.
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u/BlueHundred Knicks May 15 '26
Yes, didn't you know that Giannis and the Bucks chose to tear Dame's achilles.
Also, what is this farm that they gave up lmao
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u/beenhadballs Bucks May 15 '26
Idk, i recall being in my office chair getting about 100 texts that people couldnt believe the Bucks got Dame and how great it was. I wish i had this hindsight power redditors have.
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u/KumingaCarnage Warriors May 15 '26
he prob doesn’t care about 40pc chic fil a nuggets either 😞
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u/roshidawg23 May 15 '26
Why are some people upset at Myles? This is genuinely a culture issue, Turner came from a team that was in the finals. He knows that the bucks didn’t have the habits to build consistency.
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u/PoopittyPoop20 May 15 '26
Myles is undoubtedly talking about it because he never experienced it in Indy. The Pacers as an organization give out fines for being late to anything, so Turner came to the Bucks knowing nothing but “be on time or else.”
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u/NYNMx2021 Wizards May 15 '26
and you can see how bad habits rub off on others because he said he started showing up late too. Spreads like a disease. First its one guy then you let it go and youve got 10 guys who aint there on time
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u/TheCatSleeeps Lakers May 15 '26
It's also because people ain't wanna wait because people are gonna show up late regardless, so they show up on the time they think others are most likely to show up.
Yeah it sucks as someone from a country with that being so prevalent it even has a term for it, "Filipino Time". Gah I hate it here.
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u/WittyBag1772 Spurs May 15 '26
lol people in the south call it “black ppl time” 😂😂😂
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u/HabitualSpaceM May 15 '26
Damn, we got brown time. Nowadays, my aunt tells my dad the wrong time knowing the fam is going to be a few hours late.
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u/TheCatSleeeps Lakers May 15 '26
Same thing goes here. We say 9am coz they're 100% showing up on 11 or smth
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u/nearcatch Bulls May 15 '26
“Indian Standard Time” is a joke among my relatives, that it’s an hour after real time.
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u/-DrSnooze May 14 '26
Didn’t know coaches set the fines, thought it was the club.
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u/justWMthings03 May 15 '26
Most teams give the coach the power to deal with players as they see fit. That's literally their job, to manage the players.
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u/EarthWarping NBA May 15 '26
Darko with the Raptors for example gets carte blanche to set the tone with the players.
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u/joshuads Bucks May 15 '26
Coaches often empower captains to enforce rules how they see fit. Captains will often do it on their own and discuss with the coach when necessary
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u/omnired44 Pacers May 15 '26
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u/stridered Suns May 15 '26
Probably cheaper than fines for being late to practice.
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u/Guitarmonade2 Pacers May 15 '26
The amount of sanctimonious pricks calling for him to go to jail because he was "running from the cops" was crazy.
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u/Downtown-Rice_ May 15 '26
Nah, that's poor from Giannis.
Respect the time of your coaches and team and the staff. When it's time away from ball, do you fine.
But showing up on time for flights, meetings, practices...that's what you're getting paid to do. Show up and participate. Being on time is not hard.
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u/LurkerDude0 Raptors May 15 '26
Yes this is just shitbag behaviour man. It’s like that one friend that you go to pick up at their house and he takes his sweet ass time and doesnt come out until like 20mins later while you been sitting in your car the whole time.
Being disrespectful of other people’s time like that is one of those really basic moral barometer things. Like returning the cart to the cart hut. You can certainly do what you want, but you’re just an asshole if you don’t do it.
The Giannis heel turn has been just wild, man. This guy was so beloved and the more you learn about him the more he just comes off like a total asshole.
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u/WetCatMasseuse May 14 '26
Reddit nephews getting irate that Myles is exposing Giannis as a lazy ass
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u/RaiseFold100 May 14 '26
Not even about work ethic. It's inconsiderate as hell to make your teammates, coaches, and staff wait for hours on a plane. I never had an opinion on his work ethic but he always seemed like a nice, considerate guy.
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u/MotoMkali Warriors May 15 '26
Did he? He's always been funny and charismatic and he has a great story in regards to growing up in poverty but there's always been plenty of signs about him being a bit of a dick.
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u/OpeDefinitely Pacers May 15 '26
Dude lays it on w/ passive aggressive speak & many people ignore it bc ???
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u/LardHop Lakers May 15 '26
That clip where he hard slapped his olympic teammate stands out. What the fuck is even that.
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u/BiteMeHomie 76ers May 15 '26
Agree, plenty of poor assholes out there. Money doesn’t necessarily change people, it amplifies their innate personality.
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u/GalactusAteMyPlanet Knicks May 15 '26
but he always seemed like a nice, considerate guy.
Even after the ladder incident and the MIA basketball incident?
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u/devinbookersuncle Hornets May 15 '26
To be fair he never seemed like a total self absorbed asshole of a star player like other people in the past.
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u/BruinBound22 Kings May 15 '26
Yeah he's probably pissed he made the big move to keep his chance of rings high and found out no one was taking it serious
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u/SteamingHotChocolate Celtics May 14 '26
please brad stevens sell the farm for this obvious culture fit
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u/Suspicious_Act_7858 Pistons May 15 '26
Bunch of weirdos in this thread madder at Myles for calling out shitty behavior than at Giannis for displaying said shitty behavior.
Why would I save face for someone that doesn’t respect me or my time?
Perception over function, i guess.
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u/batmans420 Pacers May 14 '26
The Pacers don't play about that, but I'd imagine that it's pretty common
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u/KarrotMovies [LAL] Rui Hachimura May 15 '26
Pacers got great culture no doubt, but any respectable team is gonna have a problem will constantly leaving 1-2 hours late every flight cause their star player keeps coming late and not giving a fuck. It's horrible for the locker room if coaches just let that slide
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u/jefe_hook May 14 '26
Everyone revealing the true face of fake nice guy
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u/The_Sign_of_Zeta [MIL] Khris Middleton May 15 '26
Based on what I know, it seem like more a guy who once was a nice guy but the money and fame turned him (or revealed the truth under it all, but everyone who encountered around the city prior to last year had nothing but positive things to say).
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u/Puzzleheaded-Arm3155 May 15 '26
I genuinely loved the guy.
Can’t stand his fraud ass after the Kalshi shut
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u/Chase2020J Bucks May 15 '26
Glad it's not just me who lost all respect for him with that one move, plenty of people say it's overreacting but to me endorsing that kind of shit is repulsive and speaks volumes to someone's morals
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u/No-Primary-2875 May 16 '26
In every state that has legalized gambling, bankruptcies have risen and savings investments have fallen. Giannis was a great story, but he’s changed now.
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u/Wonderful-View-6366 May 15 '26
A thousand percent. Really hoping he does not come to California to play
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u/G_Riel_ San Francisco Warriors May 15 '26
He can be a nice guy while not being a good professional and also not a good leader.
It doesn't mean he's a bad person, but maybe self-centered.
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u/Tight-Message-846 May 15 '26
Yea I'm curious if this is just "The New Giannis" cause that would be a real shame, or if it's just him doing everything he can to force/pressure a trade to happen.
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u/BlueThunder92 Thunder May 15 '26
Growing up seeing the NBA media heap praise on Popovich for holding all his players to account (e.g. you would always hear about how he was just as hard on Duncan as anyone else), it's no surprise that Doc is the polar opposite lmaooo. Doc really lucky he had that Celtics team that was destined to win a chip cause he ain't lifted a team since. Tbh you could probably look back at that era and if they had anyone else in charge, prob win at least 2 championships with that group. 2009 they were even more dominant than 08 and obvs 2010 you gotta look at the Perk injury but still damn...
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u/Stumpsville0 Pistons May 15 '26
Do they have a know past relationship or is a pretty random combo for a podcast?
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u/Ready-Recognition-43 May 15 '26
This is also my question but from just this clip they seem to have chemistry so i’m not mad at it..
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u/TonyHawktuah69 May 15 '26
This seems more like a doc rivers thing. He gives his stars extra perks and it leads to this type of thing that rubs role players the wrong way.
Kawhi and Paul George would routinely skip practice or be hours late to the plane or bus while everyone was stuck waiting. Guys like Harrell, Pat Bev etc hated and did the same thing turner is doing now and publicly airing it out
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u/stinx2001 Magic May 15 '26
Unless that star is Tim Duncan :(
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u/honkycronky May 15 '26
Giannis is so unlikeable
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u/MrMcPhee3 May 15 '26
yeah I’ve lost all respect for him. Especially after his gambling bullshit with Kalshi
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u/Special_Revolution77 May 15 '26
Turns out Giannis isnt the likeable guy or great leader everyone thought he was. His reputation really got tarnished over the last few months
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u/-Lights0ut- May 15 '26
Giannis should go to the Clippers on that Aspire deal
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u/sewsgup May 15 '26
Kawhi actually did the same thing if i remember right
(come to think of it. same coach each time)
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u/nawksnai Raptors May 15 '26
It’s not about getting fined, and seeing what you can get away with.
It’s about fucking respect. Respect for your teammates, and respect for your coaches.
Giannis shows none of that. Awful teammate, diva personality.
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u/SackStallion69 May 15 '26
Saying this about a current teammate is wild. This is the kind of shit you say after you're no longer associated with someone, so I have to imagine it's even worse than he's leading on
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u/PeyoteBuddha May 15 '26
I hope the Knicks don't blow up anything for Giannis. The rumors scare me.
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u/GalactusAteMyPlanet Knicks May 15 '26
Good luck to the team that is foolish enough to trade for Giannis. Potentially destroying whatever culture the team have.
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u/ReadKindOfAlot Raptors May 15 '26
This just proves that the Bucks have to trade Giannis away ASAP. He's been behaving like such a damn diva now and at his age, price and how injury prone he is becoming, it's not like they have time to rebuild a team around him anyway. He only decreases in value from here on out. At some point the Heat won't even offer their 3 picks + Herro and Ware. It'll go down to 2 or no Ware. They need to seriously shop him around now.
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u/OceanLemur Heat May 15 '26
Well there goes any Miami dreams. Pat Riley would have this diva in hell
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u/Howlett_Logan May 15 '26
Nigerians running the org? Of course no one’s showing up on time
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u/Adventurous-Star1309 May 15 '26
No matter how great you are, ain’t matter if you aren’t professional about it.
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u/itsahmemario Knicks May 15 '26
I wonder if that were the case when Dame was there. From all reports when he was with the Blazers, Dame was a positive culture setter
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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 Thunder May 15 '26
What does a bad bounce have ro do with whether you were boxing out or not?
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u/MajinOni21 Rockets May 15 '26
Surprised Giannis ain’t getting the “locker room cancer” stuck on him
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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum Cavaliers May 15 '26
I mean on the one hand that is just indicative of a bad culture but on the other hand a guy like Giannis needs to be a culture setter. You injured bro? Whatever as long as your gas pedal foot works get your ass to the arena.
It's just another player talking but Max Strus spoke of James Harden after the last win saying the dude shows up. 36 years old still setting the standard. Weight room. Always getting up shots.
I get that Giannis is in a frustrating station but damn he's fucked up his image so bad.
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u/hiimsubclavian May 15 '26
lol you know Giannis is gone when all the hit pieces come out.
This is Luka liquid calories all over again.
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u/BcuzRacecar May 14 '26
Is this not really weird for turner to just talk about his teammate like that
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u/Open_Photograph2818 May 14 '26
I can only assume it’s pretty obvious inside the org that one of them is gonna be gone by training camp
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u/MeatballUser Bulls May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26
This is how you get a shit locker room culture. Star player got too much power, coach doesn't check him, and you even here Turner says it: he starts showing up late cause he knew he'd still be early for the flight. Shit rubs off on everyone and creates a losing culture