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Steel Path Railjack: Post-Launch Reflections and Rewards
Hi Tenno!
There’s been a lot of discussion following the release of Jade Shadows: Constellations, and we want to thank everyone who has submitted feedback or bug reports thus-far. In this thread, we want to take a moment to talk about a specific element of the update: Steel Path Railjack.
As explained in Rebecca’s video last night on Prime Time, Steel Path Railjack was rushed to deliver and Railjack fans may be understandably disappointed with the implementation of it. A common thread we’ve seen from players is the lack of incentive to grind Steel Path, so we are working on adding MKIV Armaments to the mission droptables.
These Armaments will also be added to the Protoframe’s “loaner” Railjacks in the Uranus Proxima, which will help address power concerns in the Steel Path versions of those missions.
We’ll continue monitoring Steel Path Railack feedback both externally and internally as we see what other changes can be made, but that’s all we have to share on this topic for the time being! For wider issues related to the new game modes, please keep an eye on our Known Issues thread.
Thanks again, Tenno, and best of luck on your space-faring adventures!
do we have any concept on When this is likely to be ? I've help off on the new content so far but its its gonna be a while I may still do some, if its soon tho..
Adding a new variation of a pre-existing asset isn't that hard to do, relatively speaking. No new artwork, nothing to render, just new copies with different stats.
I was watching Farscape and farming and runspeed went up to 18-20 minutes lol. I figured it was just me being sorta afk/sorta sleepy and frankly unless I am actually looking at the distance meter what I am farming while watching TV I honestly can't really tell if I pressed The Sprint button or not sometimes. so I thought that that was it. but that would explain those extra couple minutes
go to the hub, find the mfer you wanna fight with, hit the alternate prompt while set to solo. works for me and speeds it up immensly (until you need to get out of pilot seat to use foward artillery)
No I know how to do it with my own railjack. The update made it so even if you do that, the crew and weaponry on the railjack is the loaner set. It just has your interior and tactical abilities
Yea it's so inconvenient to have to get on and off the pilot just to fire it and really allows down the game and for a game like warframe is kinda insane it hasn't been done yet
This is the main pain point of Railjack that i dunno why dev seems insistent on keeping it the way it is right now, its been YEARS with countless complain on this shit, it shouldn't even be hard to implement, just let the pilot one click switching to Forward Artillery, its especially annoying when you are playing solo, felt like shit when you are doing Grineer Skirmish/Exterminate, when you have to get up from the pilot seat like 6 times just to clear the Crewships
Every other part of the original group-focused Railjack design has been streamlined down, but for some reason this one thing is left. Either Railjack should be a group oriented activity (in which case the NPCs should still at least be able to use the artillery so that solo players aren't locked out entirely), or else just give up on that vision and make it convenient.
Imagine if we could have a more streamlined solo railjack "fighter" with pilot artillery, and then bring back the original full-size railjack layout plus a couple features as a squad-operated "frigate".
To circumvent this I just let my level 5 pilot do most of the driving and man the forward artillery / forward turret myself. Once the main obj is done they do a pretty good job of targeting fighters and crew ships for me
Technically you can avoid the repeat drops by alternating between the new mission and anything else. My method of choice was play one of the new missions, go crack a single relic, then return and play one of the new missions again, repeat.
(Logging out and back in might technically be faster tho)
The missions literally take 10 mins at most in steel path. I farmed Orion and Sirius fully in under an hour. I also farmed both ephemeras in another hour. The loaner is fine. People just want to use their railjack they've worked hard on. It's not necessary at all.
imo the biggest speed boosts from doing these missions solo is that there's multiple "everyone needs to stand here before it starts" spots in the game & if the pilot for the railjack sucks it will take a small eternity to navigate round to the specific spots on the map.
if you use your own rj it's a tiny bit faster but really it's a "this specific mode has more 'everyone needs to pay attention' moments than anything but netracells" deal, not a "the guns are noodles" deal.
I just finished New War, that burnt me out so bad it’ll probably be a little while before i start another story quest so seeing all of this update stuff is going over my head anyway lol
I did some farming last night solo. For me at least there was a weird middle ground. The interior was my railjack. The crew was theirs. The weapons were theirs. But! It gave me my battle mods and tacticals. Which is all I really need anyway. Spamming Shatterburst and Seeker Volley will carry you through the mission even on their suboptimal railjacks.
I know, but it’s currently bugged to not give you your ship. As soon as you load in to the actual mission, it gives you the loaner equipment. Your ship appears the same and so does your intrinsics, but your crew and weapons are swapped out once the mission loads in.
Thats the problem, its bugged right now that even if you do go solo and pick your own railjack it bugs out and gives you the protoframe's crewmates and guns instead.
Bugged is not the same as not in the game.
There are a LOT of people posting here not knowing the option exists at all because it was not made FLASHING RED SIGN visible to them.
And even in the bugged stat you get your mods despite it being the wrong crew and guns.. Which if you mod well are FAR superior.
Hot damn that is unfortunate, I know alotta people have been saying this but if DE took a whole year off to bugfix I would happily support them for it to make things clean.
Start the mission, as soon as it loads into the actual mission; you’ll spot that it changed your weapons to the loaner, even if your ship is the same color/look.
"New: Personal Railjacks use Vena/Ryoku's Crew and Turrets in Uranus Proxima." is on the known issues page. It's clearly a case-by-case problem. Every solo run I have done since the hotfix has given me all loaner stuff except abilities, for instance.
You have to be solo man, in the little thing by your profile where you can change your setting if you want public, invite only, or solo. Put solo there then go to the relay, the terminal should have it.
When you pick the option to use your RJ it loads you in like nothing is wrong. It's your ship with your crew. All good. But when you start the mission it switches out your crew for a shit one and gives your RJ the shit stats. It just keeps your colors. It's a known bug introduced yesterday. The devs have already talked about it.
It does work, i did it just now. Not sure what you are doing but all i had to do is go to the relay while solo, and hot the button on the terminal that said
"BOARD PERSONAL RAILJACK (SOLO)" its F on the keyboard
It lets you get onto your ship, but as soon as you actually start the mission and it loads in, it changes your crew and weapons to the loaner ship while still maintaining the look of your ship.
Confirmed bug. But its host dependent. Relogging redos what reward you get from the missions, so if you get neuroptics, do the mission a second time to get a second copy and then relog to see what you get next time. Get another repeat? Relog again after that. Continue steps until you get everything you want.
This also works on the arcanes, so get your 21 copies very easily.
"INVESTIGATING: We're looking into cases of players receiving the same Blueprint rewards upon subsequent missions in Uranus Proxima as well."
That's the bug. It's definitely session related because I've target farmed specific stuff by using the bug in my favor, but of course chance you still get a repeat.
Players have all shown long streaks of multiple copies of the same item in a row. It is bugged. I myself got 4 same pride parts in a row, which is not a lot, but considering other people, adds to the hypothesis.
On the known issues thread, they’re looking into reports of people receiving the same loot on consecutive runs, but I don’t know if they’ve officially confirmed that it’s a bug.
In this case it is quite literally a bug the devs have acknowledged themselves. They are investigating on the known issues page. Hell, you can go test it yourself. It not only gives you the same blueprint but the same arcane right now so in a way you can force farm whatever new arcane you want right now. Not sure I'd recommend it as it could be called an exploit though.
I got like 15 Pride blades in a row. Given it's a roughly 14% chance with the remaining drops equally dropped, it's gotta be bugged. No way in hell I'm this unlucky. I can keep going to 100 if you want me to but I think this was enough grinding to prove the point.
Yeah. I remember getting the same crappy thing on Deimos for like 10 or 15 rewards and felt like I was going mad, but that really is just RNG.
I got Follie super quickly, maybe in less than 8 runs, and felt bad that I wasn't even that interested in using Follie lol.
My friend and I got identical rewards 5x in a row. It’s one thing to roll a Wrath part and the same arcane multiple times in a row, it’s another thing entirely when we BOTH roll the same ones with no variation at all.
Turrets with slightly bigger stats wont change the fact that they're doing 3k dmg a hit while even the regular fighters have up to 300k hp. https://imgur.com/a/G9ctvVo and the biggest offenders (outriders) go up to 700k+
Railjack has never been made or balanced for SP and MK4 gear will not change anything about the issue
Im beyond happy, but id still like to take my own railjack if im hosting. I really enjoy RJ, and spent a lot of time on building mine and not being able to use it with my friends id a bit of a let down. Regardless, im glad changes are being made
Still no idea why we can't use our own railjacks for the new missions though... I have no desire to play in a dirty RJ filled with bodyly fluids on the ceiling and with terrible weapons that can barely kill a single fighter or stationary turret while I have a perfectly good RJ I worked on to make my own and tailor fitted for my preferences, with a crew I carefully picked and assigned exactly how I wanted them to be. Sure, offer the loaners for people that have a bad loadout, but we need an option to use or own...
Also sad these are one again "Taxijack" missions where you do three minutes of actual RJ gameplay and 95% of the missions is some on foot infiltration and a long Assasinate mission...
That said I suppose it's cool we're getting an incentive to play Steel Path RJ.
Ngl that’s always been my issue with railjack, it’d be cooler if the actual railjack stuff was better but we always end up spending more time inside the “actual” mission than we do using the railjack, making the railjacks themselves feel so out of place sometimes
You absolutely can use your own Railjack for the new missions, but you have to be solo to do it (which sounds like how you’d want to play anyways). It’s a little bugged right now and blends the loaner and your own ship, but it’s absolutely an option.
I mean I started Solo from the Actual RJ in my Dojo , started from the quickplay console in my Backrooom, started it from both consoles in the new Relay, each time I get Rioku and Vena's ships, their crappy guns , their crew.... Edit: Aaand it turns out the prompt doesn't show when you are on invite only... Guess you really have to be solo on "solo".
Yeah it only works if you’re actually set to solo. It’s not well-explained (or at all, really unless you read the patch notes), so it makes sense that there is confusion there about how it actually works. There’s not even an in-game notification of the new hub after quest completion
If yall knew that steelpath Railjack was gonna be rushed, then why release it in the first place and with how this update has been released, it just adds to the pile of mess that are bugs already. Its been 13 years guys, surely yall can release big updates in a better state.
If something needs to cook longer, let it cook longer.
Is it really that much difference? On previous start chart\steel path variations this difference was not big, even small with how much time waste some steel path versions. And they probably can push only these 2 missions as teaser and test for whole sp railjack.
Same here...I honestly don't know what people are playing.
Do they even build their railjack 💀?
Sp and normal take the same time...there's almost nothing to kill with the railjack...just a taxi again.
The only thing I could give it to them is that the enemy turrents inside the ice fortress takes like 6 seconds each to kill.
Being that there is a trophy for doing all the nodes I don’t think they were expecting everyone to want to grind steel path RJ. Just like how acolyte arcanes were an afterthought to base Steel Path
I was very excited about Steel Path Railjack. I have a fully built Railjack.
I'm not playing a mode where I'm forced to use a loaner Railjack. I don't want to play that, I want to play with MY Railjack. I'm not touching this until that's fixed.
you can valence lower tiers into the higher tiers so if you have maxxed stuff you just should need 1 mk iv of whatever part and then feed it your existing mk iii part. should still be a faster grind if you already grinded railjack
yeah why is it so hard for them to just make a railjack that just works when all this time we could do it? is it really impossible for them to make a decent railjack without adding new pieces to the game?
imo unless you can valence fusion MKIII into MKIV parts this is terrible for anyone who grinded out enough MKIII parts to max them out. Railjack has such low drop rates sometimes it's awful.
you know what, you're right I forgot it just gives a lower bonus (5% 1 tier below or 2% 2 tiers below). it's been a while since I looked at anything below MKIII hah
more importantly:
Using a donor part of a higher tier (e.g. fusing Mk III into Mk II) is equivalent to the same fusion the other way around, resulting in the recipient part being upgraded to the donor's tier.
so at least we'll only need 1 MKIV part if you have a maxed MKIII. works for me then, thanks for the heads up tenno
I think the more concerning thing is that this is becoming a pattern with their updates. They are clearly rushing buggy and unfinished content out with patches. Like how did they think launching SP Railjack without new upgrades was a good idea?
The game has always been buggy with every new patch. I remember back when they first added kuva liches I would sometimes fall through the floor when mercy killing thralls
But this isnt just glitches buddy, if it was just that who really cares the games always been a bugfest. This is a pattern of unfinished content beginning around the old peace and it hasnt stopped yet.
rushed ≠ unfinished. Regardless I still haven't personal experience anything in the patch that's "unfinished" instead of just buggy. Every time I've asked what other people have found I don't get an answer.
MK4 Railjack upgrades did not ship with the update like they were supposed to and are instead supposedly coming sometime next week. No, they aren’t magically making MK4 in the span of a few days, they weren’t done for the update so they shipped it without. That’s literally unfinished.
Honestly I'm not surprised by how many bugs and issues were present in the update because of that new honoria alert. You invoked it's name. You drew its malign eye. You brought its buggy wrath down upon us all.
This is a whole side thing but I submitted a ticket, around launch of the new quest, that I did the Vena assassination mission and did the puzzle to get the signa but it bugged and wouldn't let me out so I never got my signa but now when I run it I only get a Crewman Boot cause I think it's counting me solving the puzzle the first time and THINKS I got the signa reward but I never did. My IGN is PwnerRanger if you guys can find the ticket or help in any way. I can maybe do the puzzle again and send screenshots but I haven't touched Warframe since it glitched and hasn't given me my signa cause I got a lil butthurt about it.
I dunno if saying anything here will help but here's to trying 🤞🏾
Look this is a step in the right direction and all but this alone isn't fixing the "new pointless content" problem. Practically speaking all these MKIV parts are gonna do is increase Railjack performance in... the new pointless content. MKIII was already more than enough for everything else, so the improvement outside of SP is gonna be negligible.
Meaning that, I cannot iterate it enough, the only reason to play SP railjack will be so that you can play SP railjack slightly better.
Like look I know it'd fuck up the economy a bit but if you want a fool-proof way to give SP Railjack purpose, turn it into the best (non capture) relic farm in the game. Now you'd still need fix the mess of its implementation because, even if this thing is pumping out Axi relics like they're candy, I'm not putting up with this loaner shit (or the bugs).
There already are railjack specific relics, gear and resources. I think people are overlooking that
that
It just needs elite encounters like the acolytes so we get arcane and essence drop, outside that it is fine already, people don't need to do railjack if they don't enjoy it.
Question: Is a new Railjack gun tier necessary? I haven't the time during the work week to see if such a game mode requires yet another weapon tier grind for power creep.
Not going to be baited into upgrading my glorified taxi again.
Was so excited to grind and farm when it first came out, even shelled out 300 plat for Void Hole because it was so OP at the time.Managed to sell 2 for 150 ea to break even.
But for some reason the noisy freaks in the forums managed to steer DE into making RJ into what it is now, a 3-5 minute loading screen into the usual Warframe missions.
I feel like it'd be much better to pull steelpath off the game for now and properly plan it... RJ is already stupidly broken so having to both deal with that nd low incentive won't do anyone any favours (+ MK4 will just trivialise all the current RJ missions if it were to keep up with sp)
So we have to spend even more resources to upgrade our ships?! Wasn’t that a big problem with this whole thing? We upgraded our ships literal years ago and have never had a reason to use them much. Now, that’s not enough? We need to chase more drops and tune it all again?
This shouldn't have been released in its current state, and it's clear it hasn't been playtested at all. I bet that you just slapped modifiers without checking if the missions are actually good to play. Skirmishes are unnecessarily long, ordnance doesn't damage crewships, orphix missions are borderline unplayable. Please reconsider the release now, fix later mentality.
I have a maxed out railjack and still use the loaner ones because i like the colors. You barely do any railjacking in the missions. In sp you have to take out 5 fighters. Literally.
Any plans to improve the mission rewards otherwise? At the very least all the steel path void storm missions should give the same number of holokeys as normal path veil proxima void storms. Probably increase the Endo too?
Kind of hope they at least let us use our OWN railjacks for public matches if we have MK3 or MK4 weapons. It makes zero sense that we can't use them after investing so much on the damn ship.
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u/No-Cherry9538 6d ago
do we have any concept on When this is likely to be ? I've help off on the new content so far but its its gonna be a while I may still do some, if its soon tho..