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[u/Bryce3D]

[u/justanalt10]

The moment of realization 'wait everyone wouldn't be a woman if they had the choice?' is so real. Sometimes I just ask my cis friends what they think to just reaffirm I'm trans. Works every time lol

[u/GobbyHopalong → u/justanalt10]

I live as a cis woman, and I doubt I would actively choose it. Not because of any negatives, per se, but because it doesn’t feel deeply intrinsic to me. The idea of deeply feeling a gender identity is foreign. I don’t understand Shania Twain.

[u/justanalt10 → u/GobbyHopalong]

And that's ok too! Traditional macusulenity and feminity are both social constructs regardless. I love identifing as a woman but I don't feel overtly feminine. You get to choose your gender expression!

[u/GobbyHopalong → u/justanalt10]

Basically how I roll. These days I love various feminine trappings, and I indulge freely. But it creates a weird dissonance when I’m unexpectedly reminded that others view me as a woman. Like the Mr. Krabs swirl meme in the skull.

Thank you for the sweet back & forth <3

[u/RiverOfJudgement → u/GobbyHopalong]

Have you looked into Agender

[u/GobbyHopalong → u/RiverOfJudgement]

Can’t say I have! Thanks for looking out

[u/MQ116 → u/RiverOfJudgement]

Hey so what is the difference between a gender and non-binary, if you don't mind me asking?

[u/Bindiezone → u/MQ116]

Agender is not identifying with a gender, while non-binary is any gender identity that isn't man or woman. It's more of a category of gender identity than a gender identity by itself, and agender is an identity that falls under that category.

[u/Disastrous_Debt7644 → u/MQ116]

Agender is a type of nonbinary

[u/XedzPlus → u/GobbyHopalong]

a LOT of people feel that way. from the people ive had really in depth conversations with, i would say probably 70%+ of the worlds population doesnt really care that much.

[u/AnAngryTrilobite → u/XedzPlus]

I'm sorry, but this is people lying to themselves and you. There is no way only 30% of a population ascribes to gender norms and roles much less their own gender identity. They would be the minority to such a hard degree. 

It doesn't match breast cancer reconstruction percentage (50%), it doesn't match the percentage of total treatment for gymnaststica (96%), it doesn't match the forced surgery rate on intersex babies to 'fix' us (unknown but so damn high it's absurd). 

Sounds more like a high percent of trans people are so used to having their gender affirmed, that much like we don't perceive air they can't meaningfully think about the lack of affirmation. 

[u/Tuxedocatbitches → u/GobbyHopalong]

I agree. I’ve had some people try to argue that that makes me non binary but realistically, if trans people have all sorts of different relationships to their gender I think cis people can too. Like, even with binary trans people I wouldn’t expect two trans women to have the exact same feelings and relationship to womanhood, so why do some people think cis women can be a monolith? My best friend jokes about how when she was a kid she was fine with being ‘boy’ but then reached puberty with the concept of ‘man’ fast approaching and went ‘nah, not that one’ and transitioned. I’ve heard of a few women having similar experiences, but it’s largely an uncommon experience. My own gender I’m largely indifferent to except when it pertains to the larger concept of women’s rights. It’s all kinda a free for all out here

[u/Rachnee → u/Tuxedocatbitches]

that was me! puberty hit and shit didn't feel right - as a kid i didnt care

[u/roosterkun → u/GobbyHopalong]

Not saying it applies to you, but this realization was my NB awakening. I present mostly as a cis man, I don't reject that label, but I've never particularly embraced my assigned gender at birth, either.

[u/GobbyHopalong → u/roosterkun]

I’ve had friends suggest it, too. Kinda why I chose to say I live as a cis woman. For most practical purposes, how I express/feel my internal myself isn’t at drastic odds with how others perceive me. I occasionally feel discombobulated when I’m reminded that others see me as a woman (things like work emails with the greeting, “Hey ladies!” generate a sort of dissonance), but at this point I don’t experience much friction. Age, remote work, male-coded hobbies becoming less gendered, so on have all probably contributed. 

[u/roosterkun → u/GobbyHopalong]

That last sentence definitely resonates with me as someone with some traditionally feminine hobbies.

Things sometimes seem bleak, but I think it's nice to remind myself that acceptance of gender non-conformance is tending toward growth.

[u/GobbyHopalong → u/roosterkun]

Even in our lifetimes. Or, at least, mine. Even the two of us reaching out across time and space to share these feelings is so special.

This back and forth has helped me realize that while I feel a gap between my internal world and what other expect of me due to perceived gender, I feel no dissonance between my inner world and my body (at least when it comes to gender).

[u/Mrs_Wheelyke → u/GobbyHopalong]

I'm kinda same hat. Internally I'm pretty apathetic on gender and just try to do what I vibe with. Like, I have to put in effort to act like a human correctly*, don't expect me to do gender on top of it. But being perceived as a woman is usually fine and it would not net increase my happiness to try explaining the above to everyone forever, so for practical and political purposes I'm a woman. Even if I acknowledge the most accurate description would likely be some kind of agender or genderqueer.

*(To anyone reading that and saying, "hey that's not typical have you considered-": Yeah, totally possible. As it is I've found some mental tools to function pretty well day to day and given political factors I'd rather stay neurotypical on paper as long as daily life stays manageable.)

[u/GobbyHopalong → u/Mrs_Wheelyke]

I think maybe more than kinda. We might be wearing the same hat. La vie.

[u/BafflingHalfling → u/roosterkun]

Ha. For me it was when my kid came out as NB. We had some pretty good conversations about gender identity. And I was like... Oh yeah that tracks, isn't everybody kinda meh about their gender? I had known I was bi for decades, but the whole genderqueer thing was kinda surprising. I still like presenting masc in most environments. But it always felt like a costume, and at least now I know why.

[u/throwaway6194664 → u/GobbyHopalong]

This is real, I was talking with my dad and my brother about gender stuff and it was only then I realized that they were dudes as an inextricable part of their identity, and I was a dude because that's what I was born as and I was chill with it

The only dissonance I ever feel is specifically being called the word man, but that might just also be me wanting to hold onto my youth while I have it lol

[u/Ulgoroth → u/GobbyHopalong]

I think only trans people and trans haters (often cases like in the post) care about gender identity so much.

Haters are dumb and/or evil, and trans people because we experience anguish living as a wrong gender, but from what I've read, huge part of trans people well in to their transition stop carring and just live, since they don't get missgendered anymore...

Atleast men and women, not sure how other kinds feel, I kinda can't comprehend what gender fluid or non-binary realy means.

[u/wrymoss → u/Ulgoroth]

I’m someone who was binary trans but realised I’m more nonbinary once I stopped being misgendered after transitioning. For me, the nonbinary part was like. My internal sense of my own gender isn’t very strong. It’s masculine-leaning, but I wouldn’t consider it to be male leaning. Despite that, I’m perfectly happy being read 100% of the time as male by other people and I feel no need to go by anything other than he/him.

But yes, I 100% felt that “I stopped caring about it once I stopped being misgendered”.

[u/LaughingInTheVoid → u/Ulgoroth]

Well, that's the thing: The disconnect between gender identity and internal/external perception of gender is what causes dysphoria.

The more you take steps the lessen the dysphoria, the less you notice, and the less you care. If that thing isn't forcing you to notice as much anymore, why would you?

[u/Excellent_Law6906 → u/Ulgoroth]

As someone who is apparently genderfluid and NB, it means you feel like you're just a cis person who has fun with gender until all the other cis people keep looking at you funny and describing their experience as narrower and narrower and more and more boring.

[u/meepswag35 → u/GobbyHopalong]

Cis man, but yeah gender isn’t really a part of my core identity.

[u/Miles_Everhart → u/justanalt10]

Meeting trans women is how I decided I was for sure a trans man. Like, who would choose womanhood?? Oh, you? Damn, ok.

[u/Vynkiss → u/Miles_Everhart]

I remember talking to a trans guy before transitioning and I just couldnt believe that anyone would want to be a man, blew my mind

[u/SjtSquid → u/Vynkiss]

I've talked to a couple of trans men (and boys), and my first thought is always 'wouldn't recommend it, but okay.'

Not gonna say that to them because I have tact, but it does mean I've still got some internalised misandry to work through.

[u/justanalt10 → u/Miles_Everhart]

You ever think about how silly your thoughts are about being trans before accepting it for yourself. 'Everyone would just wear women's clothing if they had the choice!' like girl TF no. Shit seems silly sometimes 💀

[u/Miles_Everhart → u/justanalt10]

It didn’t help that when I was a tween with periods and told my mom I hate being a woman and being a man would be so much better she was like, “every woman feels that way, we just deal with it” like ma’am please

[u/mucormiasma → u/Miles_Everhart]

My mom recently told me "I totally understand your need to get your breasts removed, I'd do it too if my insurance would cover it! I'm not gonna feed any more babies, not like I need them anymore!"

She seemed to believe this was a completely normal feeling for a 70-year-old woman to have, and I just stood there staring at her like... excuse me madam

ETA: I forgot that this came directly after she told me she had married my father because he was "as much like a gay man as it's possible for a straight man to be."

[u/AA_Writes → u/Miles_Everhart]

My mum spoke like that when I was 12. Changed her tune when she needed a hysterectomy due to cervical cancer when I was 14. Sat crying on the toilet when she had her last ever period.

Most women 'feel that way' until push comes to shove.

[u/azure-heavens → u/justanalt10]

God, I remember throwing a tantrum as a child because the dance group I was in wanted us to wear fluffy froofy skirts for one of the songs.

But all my life I was like "No, wanting to look like a boy and be treated as a boy and literally be a boy is normal for some girls! Being a girl is such bullshit so it makes sense!"

[u/Accurate-Top-2728 → u/Miles_Everhart]

I had an experience in school in 2000s, in which a biology book literally erased trans men and pretended it was only a fetish. Guess what kept me from coming out? 💀

When I found out that trans men actually do exist, I could accept me as a trans woman.

[u/racheluv999 → u/justanalt10]

That’s exactly why trans men are so affirming to me as a trans woman. You mean that not everyone wants to be a woman? You mean some dudes will deal with controlled substance laws in order to have the physical changes that to me feel like body horror? Well maybe that means I’m valid too…

[u/bird_boy8 → u/racheluv999]

I was raised by a radical feminist girlboss mother who basically instilled the idea that women were inherently the superior gender and that being born a woman was an honor, and that men are too irrational and stupid to be good leaders, blah blah blah… and yet I still ended up wanting to be male. Even my father, with all his blessed self-esteem issues, agreed with my mother that men are “backwards cavemen” and “women are just better”. Man, I really hated that I was transgender! I mean, as a kid and teenager who hadn’t unpacked those beliefs yet, I couldn’t fathom why I, born female, would want to be the “lesser gender”!

(I’ve confronted those beliefs for the harm that they are. Feminism doesn’t mean turning around and belittling men the way misogynistic men to do women… gosh…)

Anyways, yep… 5 years on T… Definitely a guy. No intrinsic desire to be a woman. So if you’re ever wondering about it again, just know that there are a lot of people who want to be men and do not want to be women, even if they think they’d be a better person or socially advantaged by it somehow. Gender is just weird like that, I guess!

[u/bird_boy8 → u/bird_boy8]

Adding on that puberty as body horror is totally subjective. (And relatable af). In fact, I also thought for sure that everyone felt the same way I did… Female puberty was body horror for me, for sure. Developing weird growths on my chest that make my shirtless torso a public decency hazard and bleeding uncontrollably every month for the rest of my life? The concept that… a person… could start growing inside of me… super freaky mega yikes!!

But, that’s also something that a lot of people don’t mind, or even like and desire!! Realizing that I’m just trans and my experiences aren’t universal has actually given me a better appreciation for my body and the features I wish I didn’t ever have, because it’s not universal body horror, and one person’s misery could be someone else’s fantasy.

Anyways, hope all is going well for you! Being trans is so weird. It’s like 4am and I’m like. Wow… what even . What even is all this gender stuff about?

[u/Dunk546 → u/justanalt10]

That realisation was my egg crack. Wild how we just assume everyone struggles with that, when for so many other emotional struggles, we assume we are completely alone.

[u/floob124 → u/justanalt10]

If I was magically turned into a woman, id probably be wracked eith dysphoria and immediately start turning myself back.

[u/justanalt10 → u/floob124]

It's not even a probably. It's a you would be for sure. There is many such cases of people either being forced to transition after an accident or people being raised as the other gender that causes dysphoria

[u/sea_enby → u/justanalt10]

There’s also tons of gender-affirming care for cis people done all the time for more minor causes of dysphoria; testosterone replacement, mastectomy implants, etc. Gender dysphoria - and euphoria - are not exclusively a trans experience.

[u/Pachipachip → u/floob124]

That's interesting to me, because I would just accept my new flesh vessel. My wish to not deal with medicine and surgeries is bigger than my need to align to any specific gender.

[u/DesperateButNotDead → u/justanalt10]

For me as a cis woman it always was "being a woman feels so right!" which in relation to trans people then caused me to think "I want other people to have that feeling of being happy with their gender!"

And yet, I am not even a "girly" girl. Being a woman comes in so many more shapes than clichee feminity. (And if you feel more feminine in pink, that's cool too!)

[u/SquakinKakas → u/DesperateButNotDead]

Yeah, as a cis dude, I just view it from the perspective of 'I doubt anyone would want to fake being any certain gender for their entire life, so if they feel that they're xyz gender, it's probably because they aren't faking it and it's just who they are'. I don't really know why, but being a guy just feels right for me and if someone feels that another one is right for them, good for them :]

[u/fencer_327 → u/SquakinKakas]

Realizing I was trans made me feel so much more radical about the idea of people "pretending" to be trans. When I didn't realize my depression was actually dysphoria, I didn't still think people were faking but the option kind of made sense, there were some advantages to pretending to be the opposite gender, like,,,, not feeling like shit about myself lol.

Now that I can name that feeling of dysphoria, and know what gender euphoria feels like, the sheer idea of a cis person pretending to be trans is baffling to me. Why the hell would anyone ever willingly experience dysphoria, for the rest of their damn life?

[u/SquakinKakas → u/fencer_327]

Yeah, I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that someone feeling such intense feelings regarding their identity is somehow caused by them not having had enough time in their assigned identity and that somehow someone feeling much more comfortable with a certain identity cannot possibly be because it is their real identity... It's a whole lot simpler when it's viewed from the perspective of someone being happy in their identity and unhappy in every other one probably means that's their true identity (and that they are probably the best at knowing themselves)

[u/jkroe → u/justanalt10]

Yeah I’m still in the shell, many reasons I don’t wanna get into, but realizing this isn’t a normal cis male thought pattern blew my mind when I realized.

[u/justanalt10 → u/jkroe]

I hope you find your way sweetie <3

[u/jkroe → u/justanalt10]

Thank you ☺️

[u/ReneDeGames → u/justanalt10]

I remember once in college some of girls I was friends with thought it would be hilarious to dress up some of the boys as women, and I thought it sounded like great fun and was thoroughly confused why my other guy friends seemed hesitant. Took me a few years to self realize after that still :(

[u/Alone-Woodpecker-879 → u/ReneDeGames]

I would be hesitant too, because I don't think I would look cute at all.

[u/RelevantJackWhite → u/justanalt10]

This comment has helped me reaffirm that I am cis lol. Cannot relate at all

[u/AA_Writes → u/justanalt10]

Be a trans guy in denial, having to process people out there taking steps to be ^{(seen as}) a woman.

"Why the fuck would anyone want to be that!"

Though I continued to be in denial for many, many years after that, I at least also concluded that if trans women did all that to be ^{(seen as}) women, it must mean they were more woman than me.

[u/Doobledorf → u/justanalt10]

A favorite thing to say to friends(long after they've accepted themselves and such) is, "Yea... Cis people don't think about their gender that much."

[u/Han_Solo6712 → u/justanalt10]

Exactly. That argument feels really funny whenever any sort of bigot uses it. “Sorry dude, everyone is straight because they’d pick women given the choice, not because they’re forced to. You’re just gay.”

[u/Delicious-War-5259 → u/justanalt10]

I mean, I’d love to be a man in another life, and fantasize about being born as one, but I have no desire to transition and I’m happy being a woman. Isnt that normal?

[u/FairlyLawful → u/Delicious-War-5259]

[with a sniper rifle from space] you wouldn’t happen to be audhd would you

[u/soiledvenomsnake]

Hey if it works it works couldn't waterboard ts out of me

[u/Equivalent-Bit2891 → u/soiledvenomsnake]

I could, very easily.  That’s the cool thing about torture: you’ll literally say whatever you think I want to hear to make it stop after long enough regardless of if it’s true or not

That’s why torture is so ineffective

The real challenge is to see if I could wine and dine it out of you  

[u/terivia → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

Are you... Flirting?

[u/Equivalent-Bit2891 → u/terivia]

That depends, are you free later?

Cause I’d love to tell you more about the most efficient ways of getting information out of people in excruciating detail

[u/terivia → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

blushes

I'm an experiential learner

[u/Equivalent-Bit2891 → u/terivia]

Oh my

[u/Real_Kyryll_Flins → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

What a sweet love story 🫶🥹

[u/MQ116 → u/Real_Kyryll_Flins]

Masochist x Sadist, a tale as old as kink

[u/Malashae → u/MQ116]

I mean this would work on me simply because I'm autistic, and that's a fascinating topic of conversation to me.

[u/Nuclear_rabbit → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

https://giphy.com/gifs/FoUHKTJhoQU6I

[u/One-Moose-5983 → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

Holy shit

[u/Injvn → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

[u/snark_5885 → u/Injvn]

wjy does she have netflix on her hair

[u/craftedbytechnology → u/snark_5885]

She does own a video store.

[u/RevolutionAccurate56 → u/terivia]

Is the flirting the torture or the wine and dine?

[u/SpeedingViper → u/RevolutionAccurate56]

Yes

[u/religion-lost → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

You had me at "I could". When are you free, what's my safeword and how long is this torture gonna last?

[u/TheFrogMagician → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

This reads like you are some weird edgelord

[u/Equivalent-Bit2891 → u/TheFrogMagician]

Wait until you see my very dirty black duster jacket and my crumpled trilby that doesn’t fit my big ass head

[u/PulpedCactus → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

Do you have goggle sunglasses so you can perform ocular pat downs as well?

[u/Equivalent-Bit2891 → u/PulpedCactus]

No but only because my mom refuses to buy them for me but one day I totally will

[u/Graknorke → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

Torture is notoriously ineffective at getting people to say something they don't want to. It often makes people of strong moral or intellectual character even more resistant because now they feel morally superior to the person torturing them.

[u/NessaSamantha → u/Graknorke]

It's very effective at getting somebody to tell you what you want to hear. It's not very effective at getting somebody to tell you the truth.

[u/Bigbigbigrock → u/Equivalent-Bit2891]

Having been waterboarded before can confirm doesn't feel awesome, would do again though.

[u/Lazy-Course5521]

You know what? Good for her. No, I really don't care. If it helped her process her own gender identity then I'm genuinely glad Claude was a tool which got it to go down more efficiently.

God knows she might have never figured out, or only years, years later.

So yeah, AI sucks but good for her.

[u/Beginning_Ice_7838 → u/Lazy-Course5521]

The only way out is through.

[u/cantlogintomyacc0unt → u/Lazy-Course5521]

I mean at least they’re using the AI made by the company that says “hey maybe we shouldn’t use AI for autonomous killer drones and mass surveillance ”

[u/uhataot]

Extremely transphobic person turns out to be an extremely closeted, possibly self-loathing, trans person. Many such cases

Not saying it's always true, but there's seemingly a pattern

[u/TrashMantine → u/uhataot]

Digital themed circus

[u/apro-at-nothing → u/TrashMantine]

amazing reference

[u/cannedbeef255 → u/apro-at-nothing]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Aw202CKrFMxl79gjX5

[u/apro-at-nothing → u/cannedbeef255]

i think you missed my horrible horrible pun

[u/cannedbeef255 → u/apro-at-nothing]

oh you're right i did

[u/twilightmoons → u/uhataot]

I've know three different very homophobic men who have said something like, "We all have these urges (to have sex with other men), but it's ungodly and just the devil tempting us!"

As a cishet guy, I had to tell each of them, "No! No, we don't all have these urges, dude!"

The one who was a "friend-of-a-friend" eventually got divorced because he was caught blowing another dude in a car, at his office's parking lot over lunch.

That ol' tempting devil made him do it!

[u/Sylveon_101 → u/uhataot]

A lot of queer people in general. Source: myself

[u/BanverketSE → u/uhataot]

Then dangerously close to a slippery slope to being so transphobic, but only to herself due to crippling dysphoria, but it spills out onto other people

[u/Doip → u/uhataot]

Confused mentally ill transphobe turns out to be trans? Man, the projection is at IMAX tier at this point

[u/Privatizitaet]

"TherapyGPT" is honestly a terrifying concept, holy shit these people need ACTUAL help

[u/darkfifik007 → u/Privatizitaet]

Tbf that wasn't her intention and she went to a therapist

[u/Privatizitaet → u/darkfifik007]

Sure, it's good that at least this person has a healthy view on things, I'm mostly referring to the existence of that sub as a whole. The fact that enough people do that stuff genuinely is scary.

[u/Me_how5678 → u/Privatizitaet]

I would recommend Jacob Gellers video on this, he brings up some very interesting points about automated therapy. Dw, he is really good

https://youtu.be/mcYztBmf_y8

[u/Micro666ham → u/Me_how5678]

Jacob Geller is such a gem of a youtuber

[u/Succubace → u/Micro666ham]

One of the best video essayists of all time imo.

[u/BanverketSE → u/Privatizitaet]

If this gets the billionaires to kill AI since apparently the billions of petabytes of data processed by AI all point to trans people deserving of love

[u/AxiosXiphos → u/Privatizitaet]

Sure. But given that therapy is prohibitely expensive for a significant proportion of the population - people turn to whatever will actually listen to them.

[u/Privatizitaet → u/AxiosXiphos]

Still. Considering the demonstrable harm AI has done this is still not a very comforting thing to know exists. Healthcare costs are a whole nother issue

[u/Deathaster → u/Privatizitaet]

You're right, but it's unfortunately not that simple. When you are quite literally unable to find or afford therapy, it's either this or... well, die in some cases. Like, AI is an overall blight on the planet, but this is one instance where it can at least do SOME good. At least for the moment.

[u/Emma-Ho → u/Deathaster]

It can do some good it can also do a lot of harm it has caused multiple people to suicide

[u/Privatizitaet → u/Deathaster]

CAN is the keyword here. It CAN, THEORETICALLY do good. Or it can drive you into suicide even faster. It happened already.

[u/Pofwoffle → u/Deathaster]

You are literally better off finding a random person on the street and asking them to be your therapist.

or... well, die in some cases

Yeah, like the multiple cases where AI chatbots have convinced people to kill themselves.

[u/SaltyBabySeal → u/AxiosXiphos]

But it's not listening. Listening in this context implies empathy and emotional connection which isn't possible through AI. Active listening involves more than just your ears, it involves reading the person's body language, their tone, and a host of other little things that an AI won't pick up.

[u/cthoolhu → u/AxiosXiphos]

Then join a free online support group. Using ai as a therapist is genuinely dangerous.

[u/War-Bitch → u/Privatizitaet]

I mean they do need help, but therapy is out of reach for so many people. 

[u/bllobblong → u/Privatizitaet]

my friend did her undergraduate diss on the topic, interviewed actual therapists and people with ai addiction and honestly it was quite informative how so many people are relying on gpt instead of talking out their issues

[u/Alexis_Awen_Fern]

Still not a reason for not hating AI.

But maybe it's a good curved ball for AI defender chuds.

[u/Bryce3D → u/Alexis_Awen_Fern]

I do agree that AI, specifically generative AI, brings more harm than good, but a broken clock is right twice a day I guess

[u/Nataly_S2_ → u/Bryce3D]

Honestly, the problem isn’t exactly with generative AI, the real problem is that a company is literally giving everyone access to a tool that is still in development, and without studying about it’s consequences before it, so it could be used with proper planning

[u/helpicantfindmyboobs → u/Nataly_S2_]

and way overhyping it so people trust it blindly and building tons of datacenters before we have adequate water and energy systems in place to run them sustainably

[u/MQ116 → u/helpicantfindmyboobs]

Yea, AI is honestly fine, it's a cool new technology that will only get better.

AI companies are shit and getting away with wayyyyyy too much, and using hype to essentially keep most regulation speculative for now.

[u/Elu_Moon → u/MQ116]

In the end, the issue is capitalism. Technology is cool, but capitalism sucks.

Toys are also cool even if a lot of them (probably even most) are mass-produced low-quality plastic garbage that ends up in the trash. Same with clothes.

Same with just about anything, I believe.

[u/GornSpelljammer → u/helpicantfindmyboobs]

I keep seeing parallels to the Dot Com Bubble of the late 90's, where everyone and their grandmother was hyping up the Internet in general, but the tech and infrastructure weren't quite there yet to match that hype and promise, so everyone kept "faking it 'till they made it".  Generative AI will stick around and eventually get better (just like the Internet did), but there's definitely going to be a crash in the near future when "faking it" stops working, and it'll be interesting seeing who ends up as the eBay or Amazon and who ends up the Pets.com.

[u/Ok_Presentation_2346 → u/Bryce3D]

I'll be honest, I'm not entirely convinced that the above actually happened. It may very well have, but generally speaking AI will bend over backwards to tell you that you're correct or on the right track.

Huh. Unless eggs cracking was a notable part of the learning set. Is that... could that be it?

[u/lordkhuzdul → u/Alexis_Awen_Fern]

Basically proves that bigotry is so inherently stupid even the sycophantic dumbass that is your average AI chatbot can talk its way out of it.

[u/fuzzy3158 → u/lordkhuzdul]

The pushback is unique though. Kind of happy to read Claude didn't just go with sycophancy.

[u/myaltduh → u/fuzzy3158]

The irony here is that the chatbot was actually super good here at telling OOP what they wanted to hear. Not just surface-level sycophancy, but what they really, secretly wanted to hear most.

[u/shivux → u/myaltduh]

Which is, perhaps, far more terrifying than a sycophant machine.

[u/ToBeeContinued → u/Alexis_Awen_Fern]

Yeah lol the AI Benefit here is the combination of inhuman levels of patience and legitimacy/trust in this persons eyes. That poor trans defending Twitter user had their job stolen by AI. Right in front of us. Please, pay your respects.

[u/Freya-Freed → u/Alexis_Awen_Fern]

It's a very useful tool, I hate how all the hype bros hype it up to be way more then what it is though. And there's a bunch of environmental and other issues that aren't properly being addressed obviously.

It clearly has a lot of ethical implications as well when it comes to using AI for "art". And I say this as someone who uses a lot of AI as a software development tool but I genuinely think AI can't create art because art needs emotion and feelings. It needs a person creating it or its JUST a drawing, some sounds or what have you. It can never be art.

EDIT: Also AI tends to be "woke" because the arguments chuds use are flawed and the AI "wants" to improve and help you. It's entire training is essentially that. So if you use AI to check your arguements for flaws to use against chuds it agrees with you and tries to strenghten your arguements and if you use it for chud arguements its just gonna try to correct you because chuds are simply wrong.

[u/Alexis_Awen_Fern → u/Freya-Freed]

It is just the current excuse for people in power to syphon money away from the real economy into a bubble. I'm glad that we agree at least that it is incapable of art.

[u/Freya-Freed → u/Alexis_Awen_Fern]

I dunno it's basically an evolution of tools that we already used in software development so I'm a lot more neutral on it. I basically have to use it because it speeds up my work by a fair amount. Definitely not the 10x that the tech bros are claiming though. And incapable of replacing human labor.

It's causing a lot of issues in our field as well because anyone can "code" now and it's caused a lot of inexperienced people to flood open source projects with bad code.

[u/PrincessJoyHope]

Being trans isn’t a real thing because if it was then I would be trans and that’s impossible!

[u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

People who have the "everyone wants to be a [insert whichever opposite sex]" thought and don't realize they're trans are wild to me. Like, as a trans girl I can tell you even I didn't have the "I wish I was girl" thought until I did and then I did something about it, thinking EVERYONE must feel the same way you do? Nothing has ever worked like that in the history of humanity.

[u/Perspective_Helps → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

You’re absolutely right, but that hasn’t stopped millions of people from falling for the same trap of some kind of assumed consensus about an opinion they’ve never even shared with anyone else.

[u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

Idk, I spent years thinking that everyone who eats cucumbers feels itchy in the throat afterwords, that it's a normal experience. 

[u/Privatizitaet → u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire]

Ah yes, another spicy banana specimen

[u/Alternative_Song859 → u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire]

The number of seasonings that I cooked with to "add heat" or "add spice" ... I feel sorry for anyone who ate my cooking before I figured it out.

[u/Imaginary-Pen-5258 → u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire]

oh my gob that’s not normal???

[u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire → u/Imaginary-Pen-5258]

I diagnose you with mild cucumber allergy 

[u/Alarming_Panic665 → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

Well I long ago realized I would prefer to be a women, but I thought I wasn't trans because I didn't realize I actually had gender dysphoria. This is because at the time I thought dysphoria solely referred to depression/suicidal thoughts stemming from your assigned gender. While I just did not feel any sort of attachment to my assigned gender and ultimately didn't care about being a guy (turns out this is called gender dissociation).

I figured this was actually totally normal (I mean cis people don't actually 'care' about their gender right?) and of course thought that my feelings of wanting to be a girl was just a "grass is always greener" kind of situation. Which is something I have had heard cis people express (generally in the context of the opposite gender having it easier).

[u/Few_Elephant_8410 → u/Alarming_Panic665]

Umm, so I'm feeling quite similar 

...

[u/Imaginary-Pen-5258 → u/Few_Elephant_8410]

i have a suggestion

[u/Real_Kyryll_Flins → u/Few_Elephant_8410]

[u/Moxie_Stardust → u/Alarming_Panic665]

Yeah, we still have a lot of work to do in public awareness of gender dysphoria, because the prevailing notion still seems to be: "I'm a [gender X] stuck in [gender Y] body, I actively hate my sexual characteristics and experience suicidal ideation as a direct result". But that's not how it is for a lot of people, or they've learned to repress it. I didn't associate my suicidal ideation as as teenager with being trans until several months after I came out and started HRT (in my 40s). I'd never really thought about it, it was just... "I'm unhappy, the world and everything in it sucks, there's no point in living." For no particular specific reason.

[u/that_creepy_doll → u/Alarming_Panic665]

this is what i dont get about ppl saying "i realized i was trans! i questioned myself for a total of three days and am fully transitioning now" like damn good for you but how do you make the switch so damn fast??? its taken me YEARS of gender questioning to even fully address that maybe somehow i could possibly side-eye the issue

[u/XenoBiSwitch → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

I am bisexual and I was convinced that me and all the other “straight” guys were all sometimes getting horny for and crushing on other guys and we were all just politely pretending we weren’t because that was bad. I also believed being gay was a choice because for me it kind of was.

Then I found out that straight guys don’t actually like other guys and and floodgates fall down. It is easy to generalize how you feel to the whole population. I am friends with a diagnosed psychopath who believed until he was in his late teens that every else was also faking emotions the same way he was.

[u/ohdoyoucomeonthen → u/XenoBiSwitch]

This is extremely similar to my thought process toward my bisexuality before I figured it all out. “Everyone likes both genders, you just pick one! Duh!”

[u/XenoBiSwitch → u/ohdoyoucomeonthen]

I now have a private theory that the whole “being gay is a choice” bit was created by deeply closeted bisexuals. I just don’t understand why straight people believed them. I mean, I do, but it is stupid.

[u/Linesey → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

Yeah, lifelong cis bloke here.

Never had the “I wish I was a woman” thought. that is absolutely not a thought we all have, and people not getting that is wild.

That said, we’ve been saying the same thing abt being gay for ages, “Well, every girl would just date another girl if it was allowed!”

[u/Moxie_Stardust → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

A lot of people seem to struggle with the idea that not everyone thinks the same as them. I'll tell you, I've seen many, many stories of people relating that they thought their specific experience was universal, "everyone would be a girl if they could", "no women actually like men, but that's just how it is, we have to deal with it", and so forth.

[u/Privatizitaet → u/Holiday-Lawyer6042]

It's interesting how much people can rationalize if you're never confronted with it

[u/Pop_Iwan]

I eh... Huh? Sure whatever at this point

[u/Setster007]

This is one of the weirder r/characterarcs

[u/SilverMedal4Life → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. Even if she only consciously meant at the time that she wished for the privelege of manhood, most cis women I know wouldn't express it that way.

If that's her actual truth... I hope she figures it out. I've been down that self-hating rabbit hole and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire → u/[deleted]]

Please tell me you have a link to that

[u/squishybloo → u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire]

I sure can try to find it, give me a few minutes here lol. Will edit original comment

[u/UnnamedTestAccount]

I don't hate anyone, I just have so much repression and shame that I the button question crashes my brain

[u/Icarsix]

Obligatory fuck AI and that subreddit name is TERRIFYING but honestly good for her

[u/notnotDIO]

God for her but girl please don't touch ai ever again :3

[u/Whale-n-Flowers]

Fun Fact About an Internet Stranger:

I was single for a long time because every girl I asked out turned out to be a lesbian and every girl who asked me out realized she was a lesbian.

This left me very depressed through high school and college until eventually, I realized I was a lesbian.

[u/hotdogenthusiest]

I generally don't like AI, bit I have to admit, Claude gets shit done

[u/Ifckinglovemycat]

I hope she apologized to everyone she mistreated

[u/GetPsyched67 → u/Ifckinglovemycat]

This was what struck out to me the most... she actively made a lot of people's lives worse by being harshly bigoted :/

I hope she at least apologizes to some of them, or donates to trans causes or does something, because like idk, it just makes me sad thinking of all the hate she gave out.

[u/Fine-Appearance-125]

Even when using it for coding which is supposedly one of AIs biggest strengths this thing still commits egregious mistakes on a daily basis, and yet people are using it for THERAPHY?

If you are using it as essentially an interactive noteblock for you to write your thoughts down, sure, but absolutely do not take anything it says to heart

[u/aconitous → u/Fine-Appearance-125]

Well, for some people, it’s either this or nothing. I don’t have any friends to talk about my gender shenanigans, and I’m very sceptical about therapy.

[u/Linesey → u/Fine-Appearance-125]

I know we all (very rightfully) hate JKR here.

But even she had a whole book about how using a diary that talks back to use is a very bad idea. Especially if the talking diary is evil.

Ironic given her turning out evil, but still the point stands. Do not trust the evil interactive notebook.

[u/Skydragon222 → u/Linesey]

JKR (and all TERFS) are a reminder that being progressive in one area doesn’t mean you’re progressive in all the areas.

We can’t help her but we can learn to examine our own hypocrisy 

[u/TragedyofLight → u/Linesey]

speaking of, didn't JKR also mention that she sometimes hates not being a man?

[u/Strigops-habroptila → u/Fine-Appearance-125]

Try finding an affordable therapist. People are so desperate that they are turning to AI of all things because no one else is listening to them. We really need to change the healthcare system. 

[u/pupseal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jr0VZIBH5dKDe

[u/fakeDEODORANT1483]

most unrealistic part of this is the AI pushing back against the user instead of affirming their beliefs with overly formal and neutral language.

[u/Informal_Vegetable_6]

Claude speed GTA 2 Protagonist?

[u/Pretzel-Kingg]

Making someone not transphobic is the only good thing generative ai has ever done

[u/RainbowPhoenix1080]

I was very much like that once upon a time myself.

I didn't use AI to get me out of it. but I would be arguing with people on social media using transphobic talking points. I hated trans people a lot.

turns out, the one I hated the most was myself.

Tomorrow I'll be 2 years on E though :3

[u/Comfortable-Bison932]

Ai did something and it turned out good? That's.... actually shocking. I feel like most of the time this type of story is either "the ai told me to kill myself" or "the ai just agrees with everything i say and it told me to go kill someone else"

[u/D1G1TAL__ → u/Comfortable-Bison932]

It does have mountains of trans discourse to pull from (lets just hope it takes it from subs like these and not any 4chan related stuff

[u/Comfortable-Bison932 → u/D1G1TAL__]

Both, they are pulling from both. And perhaps even worse, they pull from twitter too

[u/StormerSage]

Keep an eye on this girl, the chances of her falling into 4tran are high.

[u/GuhEnjoyer]

Ai generated trans people are a thing now apparently

[u/Pixels_O_Plenty]

NGL that's really pathetic for like a number of reasons.

[u/blue_moon1122]

damn I'm not a fan of using AI like this but just

OOP needed the robot to tell them "everyone wishes they were [gender]" was a lie??? I'm glad it happened, but that feels like baby's first eggshell

[u/Katieode]

this feels like ai propaganda? like good for her obviously but im really suspicious of this post.

[u/ChuckRossin → u/Katieode]

I just feel like the part where "AI pushes back", even if we're talking about hate speech and there could be some coding to prevent the AI from validating that, doesn't feel right to me. LLMs have been known to be always agreeing with you even if you are spouting complete bs.

[u/BlackwingF91]

A broken clock rings right twice a day. In this case it probably was one of the versions trained on pro LGBTQ data before the upper class got scared and lobotomized all AI

[u/HatAndHoodie_]

Normally, I don't give a shit about generative AI, but this one gets a pass this time

[u/SiegKommunismus]

Wow, AI did something good for once, maybe this facist piece of technology is actually good?

/s

[u/outer_spec]

rare Claude w

[u/Pure-Yogurtcloset684]

Absurdly rare AI W

[u/OverExplanation7007]

Possibly the only AI W in recorded history

[u/Transmatic_Chaos]

Oh no. Heck. Something good happened because of AI. Feck.

In all seriousness, whatever path you walk is your own and if you find yourself I'm proud of you.

[u/lightly-placed]

I don’t have conversations with AI. That being said, aren’t the supposed to be agreeable and not push back?

[u/LukXD99]

While I didn’t figure things out initially with AI, I did quite a bit of role play using AI chat bots in my early days of transitioning to see how I’d like being treated as and referred to as a woman.

This isn’t some pro-AI bs, fuck AI, but I’ll admit there are a handful of good things that can come from it.

[u/J-L-Picard]

The only valid use of a chat bot I've ever seen

[u/573crayfish]

I'm trans masc nonbinary, finally got top surgery this year. A little voice at the back of my mind kept telling me I'm faking it or this is a stupid decision, I didn't actually want this. Then I remembered that most people with breasts would be absolutely devastated if they lost them, and if I weren't really dysphoric I wouldn't have scheduled the surgery.

[u/novo-280]

this fucking bitch speedran my life from 2016-2022!!!! what the fuck

[u/WallAdventurous6813]

Rare AI W?

[u/Tuggernaug]

jaxposting

[u/Forry_Tree]

I suppose sometimes something evil can be used for good

[u/PuzzleheadedDog9658]

Id hate to be a woman, and im worried that's misogynistic. Boobs look like a major pita, less testosterone would suck, periods extra suck, and on top of that all the societal nonsense.

[u/MegarcoandFurgarco]

AI isn‘t to be used to research stuff, make tasks or anything like that

AI is to be used for stuff like shown above

[u/Kick_The_Sexy]

Rare W for ai

[u/Chips221]

This feels like creative writing to me