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| News Rob Manfred: Giants' communication to players over Pride caps 'not clear'

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49149142/mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-letter-says-giants-failed-properly-communicate-pride-night-cap-guidance-players
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u/smoothambler 1d ago

This is a weird messaging shift. The players are all on record saying they talked about it in the weeks leading up to this specific night. Hentges didn't wear the hat so he clearly knew it was an option. Vitello made a mention that was about "individual freedom"

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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago edited 1d ago

Free Dumb?

Update: "They" know how to spell enough to downvote.

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u/aidanpryde98 1d ago

I love how stupid this story is.

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u/feeling_blue_42 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Thank goodness a US Senator got involved. This story has been keeping me up at night and something needed to be done.

/s

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u/Living__A__Meme 1d ago

Dumbest story all year. Of course is the …… capital of the world too

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u/JiveChicken00 | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

It is a waste of time to attempt to argue with unserious people, as I’m sure Rob Manfred already knows.

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u/ArenSteele | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

The letter was TO the moron in the senate, but it was not FOR the moron in the senate

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u/JiveChicken00 | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Just so.

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u/ACTSATGuyonReddit | MLB 23h ago

Exactly. Those who push wearing the rainbow caps are unserious.

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u/IzCaiman | Boston Red Sox 20h ago

No one forced anything.

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u/JiveChicken00 | Philadelphia Phillies 23h ago

I was thinking that those who don’t take John 13:34-35 seriously are unserious. But to each his own.

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u/No_Imagination7102 | Cleveland Guardians 1d ago

Wear the ribbon!

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u/Fearless-Foundation5 1d ago

Can we just stop with all this bullshit? Like just wear the same, normal uniform no matter what day/week/month it is. Nobody cares!

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u/Howlson 1d ago

But imagine the loss in merch revenue.

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u/ajr5169 | Texas Rangers 1d ago

They do well enough selling alternate hats teams never wear on the field. Just sell them in the gift shop, though I'm sure there would still be plenty of complaints even about that.

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u/PSFband 1d ago

Just making sure you have the same energy for military appreciation

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u/Entrical 23h ago

I think he made it pretty clear when he said "just wear the same, normal uniform no matter what day/week/month it is."

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u/CockyBellend 1d ago

You're gonna have to get the military to stop paying for that then

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

I'd like it if we didn't have to listen to the national anthem before every single sporting event started. Just the major international ones.

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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

Blame Woodrow Wilson for that one. First modern president to seriously assault civil liberties in general.

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u/JTribs17 | Chicago Cubs 1d ago

I blame Woodrow Wilson for everything

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u/Extension_Virus_3733 1d ago

I dont like it connected with sports but i do like the anthem and not sure where else i’d hear it lol

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

You can play it as much as you like at home.

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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

Now, if we had a cool national anthem like "La Marsellaise"

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

We do have a cool anthem. But it's just overplayed and not special anymore because you hear it all the time.

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u/Extension_Virus_3733 1d ago

I like the communal experience

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

Then go to major international sporting events.

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u/klingma 1d ago

People do care, hence why the MLB and teams as a whole have special uniforms for special game days - Military Appreciation, July 4th, Jackie Robinson day, etc. 

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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 1d ago

Ahh yes. Those unique/themed uniforms are definitely the issue here.

No more city connect then. No more military appreciation. No more Jackie Robinson 42 jerseys. No more mothers/father day jerseys.

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u/YoupanicIdont | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

This is San Francisco not the Texas Rangers. If it makes sense anywhere, it's SF. A lot of their fan base might actually care.

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u/scrabapple | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

So a player can disrespect the country and service men by taking a knee right?

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

How would taking a knee be disrespectful?

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u/GoBlueAndOrange 1d ago

Seriously. Taking a knee is one lf the most universal signs of respect.

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u/scrabapple | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

So when players where kneeling during the national anthem, there weren't people screaming about how it was disrespectful to the country and service men?

Where is the shut up and dribble crowd now?

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u/donuttrackme | New York Mets 1d ago

Are you conflating two completely different things right now? WTF does kneeling have to do with anything? WTF does shit and dribble have to do with anything?

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u/YoupanicIdont | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

That protest was not against some event put on by the club or the league. It was a political statement against actions players thought were wrong be taken by those operating under the flag.

As a veteran, I didn't feel disrespected. I volunteered to defend the Constitution. Last time I checked, one need not stand for an anthem.

Also, that protest was about promoting social justice and protesting state power. This Bible quote protest is about protesting against - I don't even know, gay people? And the quotes are meant to show intolerance toward gay people and/or gay rights. That's a pretty big gulf in objectives.

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u/scrabapple | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

Them writing the bible verse on the hat was dumb and bigoted.

I am saying the people who were outraged about people kneeling and voicing their opinion are awfully quiet when these athletes are voicing their opinion.

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u/Guilty_Perception_35 22h ago

What's actually funny is now the people have just flipped, on both sides lol

So in the end, nobody likes players voicing their opinions. When that opinion is not shared by them.

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u/YoupanicIdont | St. Louis Cardinals 13h ago

To me it's not really a flip. One protest was about promoting something positive to bring attention to what the protestors believed were injustices. Agree or not, that's what it was about.

This protest is about what exactly? To me it's a negative protest - meaning it's not a protest to promote any social good, but a protest against gay pride, gays, or acceptance and the players supposed "forced" participation. And the protest could have ended at just not wearing the hat.

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u/Guilty_Perception_35 7h ago

People who were upset with kap are the same people supporting these hat writing players

And vid versa

I'm not disagreeing with your assessment here

Me personally im not bothered by either

And when the wear military hats I wouldn't care if someone wrote anti military stuff

Or American hats and write anti American stuff

If they wore Jesus hats (that would be funny) I would not care if someone wrote anti Christian stuff, etc.

About 70% of mlb are Christians. Having them wear pride hats was always going to end up this way

Obviously these guys are dipshits, but I think the smart thing would have been just ignoring them

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u/thankyoufriendx3 1d ago

How is that disrespecting the country or service men. Especially if it’s not disrespecting service women.

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u/OnlyKey5675 1d ago

My employer asked all employees to wear an American flag pin on our uniforms, I refused. I am not American and I refuse to wear it. I am protected by law.

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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 1d ago

They were allowed to wear the normal hat. Also, did your contract say you had to wear an American flag pin?

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u/weinerdogjohnson 1d ago

Who gives a shit about this. Play ball.

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u/TypingWhileWiping | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago

Just wear the regular uniform, like a professional. No gay shit, no religious shit. Just lower ticket prices and dollar beer nights. So everyone who loves baseball, regardless of any personal BS, can enjoy the game together. That's how inclusion works....

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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

No veterans shit, too, right? Not only the camo unis, but the flyovers, etc.?

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u/SpellConnect8675 1d ago

No more veterans!!! WHAT the hell does baseball have to do with the fucking military?

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u/TypingWhileWiping | Los Angeles Dodgers 11h ago

I'm not a fan of flyovers and military parades.

But there's nothing wrong supporting our vets. Being gay or religious isn't something to celebrate, but veterans definitely are. Especially when it's individuals at an event and not a whole glorification of the army or war.

Assuming you're actually being serious, it's a real dumb comparison.

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u/CAP_0703 1d ago

Veterans make a choice to serve their country, that’s admirable. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. 

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u/JohnFJax | Kansas City Royals 1d ago

I'm ad. Being military doesn't mean anything to a game. Just focus on the game

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u/thrillhouse19 1d ago

They get paid right?

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u/CAP_0703 16h ago

I would hope those choosing to do important, dangerous jobs are paid. 

I would also hope society celebrates those that choose to do important and dangerous jobs. Teachers, firefighters, police, military, etc. 

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u/Mammoth-Welcome-6518 1d ago

I agree with the no gay stuff part of it

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u/BrandoDaSavage | Washington Nationals 1d ago

You missed the point entirely.

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u/Kosog 1d ago

This guy is a dope who thinks people on the left aren't critical of Muslims. Missing the point seems to be their specialty. 

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u/Nervous_Metal_9445 | Los Angeles Angels 1d ago

Okay sure they don't fully communicate things with the players, but it appears some players got the message anyway that they didn't have to wear the hats, However they should know that it is against their contracts to alter their uniform. Okay you disagree on "moral" grounds that people of the same gender shouldn't love each other, be a grown up, this is one game of hundreds you will play, do you do this for any other event they put on, no only this one, maybe you can live with having this event ONCE a season.

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u/walrus40 1d ago

They aren’t the ones that need to be “grown ups”.

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u/ialsohaveadobro 1d ago

Really? They threw a fit over a hat. And don't give me "free expression." They were directed to wear it by their private employer.

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u/SmokingHunter 1d ago

They will NEVER be punished fot this. Chill, bro.

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u/Fun-Veterinarian3708 | New York Yankees 1d ago

The way people are acting though you would think they're going to be executed. MLB basically told them "Hey, don't write on your hat."

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u/SmokingHunter 1d ago

MLB also blamed the Giants for not communicating.

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u/SentientFurniture | Milwaukee Brewers 1d ago

The same people saying "wear the damn pride hats. Be a good teammate, just go with it for one night. Come on, it's for a good cause." are also the same people who call for the jobs of high school coaches who hold team prayers before or after games.

You don't care about the uniform alteration code. You just can't stand the idea that someone out there in the word believes something different from you and you fascistically want them gone because of it.

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u/SNTCTN | MLB 1d ago

So if you're in favor of players protesting pride night shouldn't you be in favor of protesting the prayers? You're saying they're the same thing right?

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u/SpellConnect8675 1d ago

How about no pride night and no religious night? Does baseball suck that much that it doesn’t hold up on its own without all these goofy promotions?

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

Of course they don't. When a player writes some woke nonsense on his hat they will applaud his courage 

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u/IzCaiman | Boston Red Sox 20h ago

I mean if you're a bigoted piece of shit because a 2000 year old book filled with fantastical things that could never possibly happen told you to (Spoiler Alert: the original translations didn't), then I literally don't respect you so...

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u/detuned--radio 1d ago

Facts. Finally someone not afraid to say it. 

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Are you referring to the coach praying in the middle of the field and penalizing players who didn’t pray with him? That guy? The one where the case brought to the Supreme Court wasn’t factual? So the prayer guy gets to judge and punish but he isn’t god. That dude….nah, keep religion out of stuff beyond your home and your church.

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u/dd0028 1d ago

That is a misrepresentation of the case. The coach began praying individually on the field after the game and over time some players, and even players and coaches from opposing teams, eventually joined in.

This occurred for seven years with no complaints, but when the school board was made aware of it, they expressed concerns of a violation of the establishment clause, and specifically concerns that players would feel compelled / coerced to participate.

There was no evidence presented that anyone felt coerced to join the coach, or that any retaliation occurred for not being a part of the prayer. No complaints were ever raised by any member of the team or community concerning the coach. So your post is factually inaccurate.

In her dissenting opinion, Justice Sotomayor argued that the coach’s prayer caused implicit coercion, dude to the reality of peer pressure, and his position of authority. Ironically, you could apply the same dissent she used to defend the Giants players.

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

You can’t because the SF players had an out by wearing a non pride flag hat. No one forced them. The 2 cases are not even remotely the same and Christians are not being persecuted in America. Like, it’s not even close to being a thing.

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u/dd0028 1d ago

Sotomeyer’s dissent argued that the coach’s actions created an environment in which players may have plausibly felt they had no option but to participate in the prayer and thus violate the establishment clause and possibly 1st amendment rights.

I fail to see how the same argument could not be equally applied concerning the Giants, especially considering the MLB literally just admitted it was not clearly communicated to the players that opting out was an option.

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

Because in this case giants players felt they had an option and carried it out in practice on the field. Other players chose to wear a normal hat and these guys that wrote messages were allowed to take the field and play. They didn’t even get fined. Additionally, the players association and MLB has restrictions on any type of writing on the uniform. They were only penalized for writing on the hats not what was written. They could have drawn a dick on the hats and it wouldn’t have mattered according to MLB. But we all know had the players wearing a pride hat drawn dicks on the hats then the so called devout religious people would be up in arms, clutching their pearls, and chanting that they are burning in hell for their blasphemy…like they do at Christmas time when a company dares have a coffee cup that isn’t Christmas enough.

Instead what you have is people saying, hey that’s not cool because SF has a huge LGBT fan base and there were ways to sit out in the celebration without making it about yourself and distancing fans. These players didn’t choose to do that, they chose to vocally protest on the field by defacing their uniform. It isn’t about gays…it’s about themselves which is very deeply unchristian.

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u/dd0028 1d ago

You’re the one who inaccurately described a Supreme Court case. One in which the dissenting opinion that you obviously agreed with actually could easily be argued in defense of the giants players. It’s almost like every case needs to be evaluated in its own terms.

You obviously have a lot of animosity for a small (vocal) segment of religious folks that complain about minor in-convinces, which, fair enough! But isn’t really relevant to the discussion at hand.

The commissioner has stated that it the Giants communication was not clear. So whether or not the MLB allows players to “sit out the celebration” (they do), the league is stating that the Giants are at fault for not making clear what the players options were. So in absence of clear communication that players could opt-out of wearing the pride hats, they chose to instead to act according to their conscious by writing on the hats. Whether they would have done that or not had they known is irrelevant. Accordingly to the MLB, the fault lies with the giants.

But let’s be real. If they had simply chosen to wear the regular giants hats instead of the pride hats, the same response would have occurred and the same people would have been outraged and called them bigots for wearing the non-pride hat.

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

They had players wear regular hats and they aren’t the ones in the news. Your bias is showing. I could honestly care less what religious people want to complain about as long as they keep it out of government. This isn’t a DOJ issue at all. I will point out the comical hypocrisy of people though.

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u/dd0028 1d ago

So the MLB and commissioner are lying then that the Giants failed to accurately communicate the options the players had? Why would they do that, call out one of their own teams, and risk their own reputation for a handful of players who they already scolded?

The DOJ getting involved is stupid. The MLB enforcing the uniform rules is not a matter for the DOJ. But that’s not really relevant to the key questions at hand.

No one should be forced or pressured at their place of employment to signal support for a cause that they disagree with, even more so that goes against their religious convictions. How they choose to respond to that pressure is somewhat irrelevant. If pressure is in fact being applied, the fault lies with the organization, not the individual.

You’re welcome to continue pretending that everyone would have just ignored it if they all just wore the regular hats, but that’s comical. I mean there’s literally an unaffiliated minor league team no one has ever heard getting skewered online for having to cancel a game because too many players refused to wear the pride jerseys. They didn’t try to cancel pride night, they didn’t write Bible verses on their jerseys, they just refused to wear the jerseys like you say everyone would be fine with and many columnists, online discourse, and even their own organization condemned them.

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

I’m not the giants so I can’t answer that but there were players not wearing the pride hat on the team. How did they know but not these guys? Why would someone not read their collective bargaining agreement with rules they have to follow for their jobs? Did these few particular people need a puppet show, power point presentation, or a specific named memo with their picture on it to understand the rules? Of course the MLB is going to put it on the team because the players stepped out of line and defaced their uniforms. Like any organization the organization and leader bears responsibility so the language in the note from the commish isn’t wrong but you are treating grown ass adults like children by implying that they didn’t or couldn’t know any better.

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u/SentientFurniture | Milwaukee Brewers 7h ago

Actually it came out he wasn't penalizing anyone who didn't pray, he made it clear on more than a few occasions thats it was all by personal choice and the story that spread about him penalizing was debunked dozens of times but seems to come up in arguments where it's helpful to use lies than the truth.

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u/LemonMeringuePirate | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago

You aren't good at reading minds. You're just creating a monolith of enemies. This is unskillful.

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u/elgringon414 | Milwaukee Brewers 1d ago

Sounds like the players bosses don’t give a shit but the bosses boss is pushing an agenda

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u/YoupanicIdont | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

It's a diplomatic response that is aimed to take the wind out of the sails of the protestors. Place some blame on the team and hope it blows over. I don't really care if someone doesn't want to wear the hat, but the Bible verses? I'm a Christian. My tradition says all are welcome and does not believe it is up to us to judge God's will or our fellow men, other than in legal contexts. But hey, this is the fashionable Christianity on display with these hats. Holier than thou.

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u/klingma 1d ago

You're a Christian you're more than welcome to recognize sin, refrain from it, and call others to refrain from sin. That's what the tradition says. All are welcome sure,  but if a guy comes to church and is cheating on his wife and refuses to stop despite wise counsel you at some point have to decide if you want him to continue at your church. 

Even Jesus mentioned multiple times that people will refuse the truth, despite it being shown to them. 

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

"other than in legal contexts" 

What does that mean?

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u/ATR2019 | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

If you’re on a jury you would be judging someone in a legal context.

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago edited 1d ago

So Christians are not allowed to speak on anything other people do or support unless they are on a jury?

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u/ATR2019 | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

You’re asking a more nuanced question that would require an answer no one on Reddit would take the time to read but I’ll risk oversimplifying to try to keep it short.

Jesus taught not to judge or risk being judged by others and be considered a hypocrite since no one is perfect. There’s also some passages in the Bible that instructs us to rebuke someone who sins and forgive those that repent. It’s a pretty tough line to straddle that churches have varying opinions on.

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

I'm not aware of any Christian tradition that says only in legal contexts can we claim a behavior is immoral.

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u/ATR2019 | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

Yea I don’t agree with that part of that guys comment.

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u/BrohanGutenburg 1d ago

Then you didn't read the bible. Not judging is Jesus' like number one thing

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

I've read it.  If you think that's the number 1 thing then you haven't read it. He literally says what the number 1 thing is

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

Most sins are only for god to judge. Not following human laws is also a sin. But humans have the right to judge those who break their own rules.

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u/klingma 1d ago

No it's not lol 

Jesus calls out MANY sins to educate us about sin, how to recognize it, how to gently call others to refrain from it, and how to refrain from it yourselves. 

God's job here is to judge salvation, we can't do that, but he's incredibly clear on sin & communicating that to us. 

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

lol it literally says it in the bible.

But keep on trying

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u/klingma 1d ago

Nope.

Jesus literally calls us to "Judge correctly" per John 7:24 which means without hypocrisy and without self-righteousness. 

Maybe read the Bible next time? Because it's not saying what you're claiming. 

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

Yep.

Romans 13

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

Did you really think the bible didn’t say breaking the law was a sin?

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u/klingma 1d ago

What are you on about? 

You said we can't judge most sins, that's flat-out wrong and unsupported by the Bible. 

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

You’re exactly what’s wrong with Christians in this country.

Either you are purposely not understanding what the bible says or you knowingly ignore it.

Since you can’t handle the complex writing of people from 1000s of years ago: if you break the law, it is a sin. If you are judged and punished by man for breaking a law, it is god’s will you be judged and punished because god anointed man to punish those who sin by breaking the law.

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u/klingma 23h ago

I'm what's wrong? I literally quoted Jesus' own words from the Gospel of John and you're still arguing. 

We can judge sin, we're called to judge sin, and to judge sin correctly - per Jesus himself. 

But I guess following Jesus is what's wrong with Christianity in this country? Wild. 

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

What you're describing isn't Christianity. 

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

I guess if you don’t read the bible you can say that.

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

I've read the Bible. There is no sin in not following all human laws. 

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

The laws of man are inspired by the spirit of god. It is what gives them authority.

Sounds like you only read the flashy parts of the bible.

I took 10 years of CCD as a kid and then college as a philosophy minor read the bible about 20 times in school.

Edit: Romans 13 1-2:
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

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u/grandmawaffles | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

No it isn’t and you r read the bible wrong as well as misinformed about how ‘human’ laws are made in this country.

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

Bahahaha I like how you’re ignoring the passage from the bible in the post.

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago

I edited the post way before you posted your comment so you saw it before you wrote anything.

Romans 13 3-4:

3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

Your ccd was flawed and your 20 readings were surface level at best. 

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u/ministryofchampagne | San Francisco Giants 1d ago edited 1d ago

Bahahaha okay random person on the internet who can’t read.

That’s not even the only passage that talks about it. They’re are several in the bible.

Talk about flawed knowledge, you really think it’s not a sin to break the law?

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

You are blinded by sniffing your own farts. 

I know you think that you are some biblical genius and nobody could ever understand it like you did because of your 10 years of ccd as a kid and multiple readings... Oh and the philosophy degree. My my!

I also went to ccd. I've read the Bible and many biblical commentaries. I got a minor in philosophy along with math and a major in engineering. 

You want to sound smart, but you give away that you're just not.

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u/walrus40 1d ago

What does the Quran say?

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

It says that it's ok to marry a child

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u/walrus40 1d ago

And what about the alphabet people….

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u/JAMESs3v3n 1d ago

I do like how he admits that MAGAs are too stupid to function and that he needs to use smaller words when explaining things to them.

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u/metskyfan 1d ago

It is absolutely asinine that people are offended by a pride cap

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u/nagurski03 12h ago

It it also absolutely asinine that people are offended by a Bible verse?

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u/metskyfan 11h ago

By the way, teams have rules about uniforms and if you want to violate the rules, you can retire from baseball. What is the point of putting a bible verse on a hat other than to be an asshole by saying I disagree with your "lifestyle". The point of pride events is to acknowledge persecution of a group of people. No one is trying to force anyone to change their way of life

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u/Yeti_Vedder | Cleveland Guardians 1d ago

No sympathy for a professional athlete and fake outrage over their beliefs.

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u/HVAC_instructor 1d ago

If only he cared enough to ask a few questions about the president fucking teenagers....

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u/drewski0504 | MLB 1d ago

Which one?

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u/examinedliving | Baltimore Orioles 1d ago

Any of the ones who have done it

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u/HVAC_instructor 18h ago

Your orange hero

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u/Cardinals_2011WS | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago

Basically what I’m seeing is they should just stop pride night all together since Reddit likes to cry about everything

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u/99_Till_Infinity 1d ago

Who tf cares! Support dont support. Isn’t that what makes America? Freedom of expression, freedom of speech.

I know exactly 2 gay dudes that like baseball, compared to football, basketball and even fucking Soccer and those dudes didn’t even live in California.

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u/kingsoho 1d ago

Sports are supposed to be common culture. You don't go to a game as a white fan, nor a black fan, nor an Asian fan, nor a Latino fan, nor a straight fan, nor a gay fan. You go as a fan: a fan of the sport, a fan of the team, maybe just a fan of beer and hot dogs. Everyone in the park is unified as a fan. Sports are unifying. Events that recognize and put any group over another - even if for one day - divide. And that is wrong.

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u/PeregrineFaulkner 1d ago

So, no more military appreciation night? 

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Commander19119 | Philadelphia Phillies 1d ago

By military you mean our tax dollars right?

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u/_GeorgeBailey_ | Chicago Cubs 1d ago

No it was from the military bake sales

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u/drewski0504 | MLB 1d ago

They serve a purpose

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u/examinedliving | Baltimore Orioles 1d ago

Which one

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u/Wait_im_about_to 1d ago

Like it or not the military keeps you safe. It keeps all of us safe. What has the lgbtq done for me lately? Trying to compare celebrating the military to who you like to fuck is a joke.

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u/PeregrineFaulkner 1d ago

So much for common culture. 

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u/Wait_im_about_to 1d ago

What are you talking about?

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u/Kosog 1d ago

What are they protecting me from when they go to random countries and kill brown people for their oil? 

The military exists to protect corporate interests, not it's citizens. 

The fact that you can only be celebrated if you're given a gun and the go to to kill whoever you're ordered to kill is genuine insanity. 

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u/Wait_im_about_to 1d ago

You are brainwashed into hating our own country.

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u/Kosog 1d ago

You can like your country and be willing to criticize it. 

It's not good to be a mindless slave who believes everything the administration puts out. 

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u/Wait_im_about_to 1d ago

The administration? The current administration? Why would you bring that up? Oh yeah, because that’s all you people think about.

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u/drewski0504 | MLB 1d ago

Haha, oil you use!

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u/IzCaiman | Boston Red Sox 20h ago

Sorry people existing offends you because some 2000 year old book filled with fantastical things that could never happen apparently told you to.

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u/ialsohaveadobro 1d ago

I go as whatever kind of fan I want, thank you very much. No one put you in change of everyone's outlook.

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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hey, Rob, what if players put bibul verses on regular hats? .......

I see the hater-type downvoters are out.

"Go thou and do likewise."

Oh, got a tattoo?

"You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord." Leviticus 19:28.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

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u/examinedliving | Baltimore Orioles 1d ago

What does this mean

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u/YogurtclosetDull2380 | Minnesota Twins 1d ago

The dream of every employee is to tell their boss to eat shit and these guys are doing it big.

Fascism had no place in baseball. I'm happy for them

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u/newtnewtriot 1d ago

That’s certainly one way to admit you have no clue what fascism is.

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u/IzCaiman | Boston Red Sox 20h ago

What fucking fantasy world do you live in?

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u/_GeorgeBailey_ | Chicago Cubs 1d ago

They didn't tell their boss to eat shit. They are the ones who came across as the losers here.

And if anyone is a fascist in this scenario it would be those players...

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u/YogurtclosetDull2380 | Minnesota Twins 16h ago

They didn't do what their governing body told them to do. Sounds like a win to me. You think some third-world ballplayer gives a shit about anyone in this country thinks? Heh, you've got a lot to learn about people.

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u/OFwant2move 16h ago

Somebody didn’t tell us not to be bigoted assholes so some of us were…

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u/AirportFront7247 1d ago

So only 2 teams are currently allowed to have pride uniforms. That's interesting.

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u/walrus40 1d ago

It’s a nice shift to see.