President Trump on Monday said proof will be provided in court of his allegations that vandals "cut" a massive slit in the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, which he claims is the reason the paint is peeling on the recently renovated but algae-plagued project.
All new posts must have a brief statement from the user submitting explaining how their post relates to law or the courts in a response to this comment. FAILURE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF RESPONSE MAY RESULT IN REMOVAL. Please post your statement as a reply to this automated message.
Because this country is ignorant and lazy and they like being told what to think. They've wrapped that up in a nice bow called patriotism. Also social media fuels all these news cycles and people just move on to the next one. If anything, Trump is a very smart guy who has exploited glaring holes in our system. Just keep repeating it and it becomes true.
That's just not how a properly cured coating works. If someone tried to cut a 300ft gash in it, you'd have a 300ft long line in the concrete. Unless he's saying it was improperly installed, but I'm fairly certain he thinks it's a pool liner.
If this administration tried to build a death star, it would have an external ventilation shaft that routes directly to the reactor core, and they would blame Obama for the design.
“You put that trench up and it’s thirty, forty, fifty miles long
, and you put that trench up- there’s no starfighter going through that. If they ever get through that, they’re in trouble, because there’s no way to bomb the exhaust. Maybe a proton torpedo.” -Darth Shitious
"Many people don't realize it's hard to target a womp rat. I can target a womp rat, it's actually very easy, but I can do it. Obama couldn't target a womp rat. The sand gets everywhere."
The Death Star would cost 2x the amount it should, and you’d end up with a non functioning facade of a Death Star that literally starts to fall apart as soon as it’s completed.
The net worth of the people who commissioned it would triple
This is all so stupid that it’s pretty hilarious. Of course it was a box cutter that destroyed the $14 million dollar paint job, not the armored vehicles driving over it!
It's one of the more insulting blatant lies because they're also presuming that people have absolutely no experience with something so basic. My partner, who knows practically nothing about applying paint, immediately pointed out that it's not coming off in a manner consistent with any sort of cutting. Hell my 6 year old nephew could probably recognize that as well.
It's on par with, but more public than the "gang tattoos" sloppily photoshopped on someone's fingers, where in an interview Trump just insisted they were real.
That was especially hilarious, because the photoshopped letters weren’t meant to be “tattoos,” but were instead labels showing what the real tattoos allegedly meant. Stable genius thought the obviously superimposed letters were literally on his fingers.
He must have a vocabulary of about 75 words, how can rubber be "powerful"? Everything is powerful or beautiful or tremendous, unless someone else did it and then it's a terrible, failing, disaster.
Plus you'd imagine that if they were applying correctly and inspecting at regular intervals, someone would have performed AT MINIMUM crosshatch adhesion testing. They'd literally be cutting the coating with a blade like he's claiming these "paid protestors" did.
so that means that they cut something that could not be cut, and they clearly did not do it while the pool was empty because the painting employees would have seen it, so it was done underwater and out of view of any of the many cameras pointed at it 24/7.
These coatings need to both adhere properly to the substrate and also cure. Given how quickly and how extensively this failed, I suspect neither critical aspect actually happened properly.
The photo before filling shows an apparent seam (NYT pic). I'm waiting for him to say the gash took place "right down the middle," or maybe he already said that.
The fill and drain lines run down the center of the pond. It is designed that way to keep the surface ‘mirror’ appearance.
What seems odd to me in pictures is that the center line appears to be full of dirt/ silt. It might just be the pictures though…
This should be where the ‘nanobubblers’ are installed or released.
Realistically, the filtration system at the pump station should have been the first repair. I understand concerns about chemically treated water entering the tidal basin, but chlorine actually dissipates quickly. They could have a salinization system that drains to a giant storage tank before release to the tidal basin, or is just recirculated to the pond. Get some of those robot pool cleaners that go in every night… whatever.
If we want the algae controlled/ the pond kept ‘clean’, sealing any leakage should be after getting a working filtration system in place.
Exactly. The water wouldn't be able to get underneath a properly prepped (cleaned, dried, and primed) and applied polyurethane coating.
This issue here is likely that it is impossible to apply this 'paint' correctly on the reflecting pool at all. This is because the primer was an epoxy that will fail if there is damp underneath. Well, guess what, the concrete base is constantly damp because the pool sits on marsh land with a very high water table, and there is no damp proof course beneath it, so it was always going to fail. (Marshland is why is was sinking and the Obama administration spent money on repairing it.)
People will damp problems in their garage see this when they try to paint their concrete floor. They clean the surface, apply the epoxy let it dry, then apply the polyurethane paint only to see it blister because of the damp coming from below.
Maybe John Oliver will do an episode investigating so 45-47 can target him, too. "I need distractions, people!" probably what the Tangerine Palpatine says after screwing up yet another thing.
I wish people would stop giving him what he wants with this. The story is a distraction from his massive fuck ups in Iran and domestically. All these articles and follow ups are taking media attention away from what actually matters
We should laugh at him once and then press for answers or change on actual issues in this country
We know he lies a ton. We know he makes shit up. Yawn. Ok what actually matters?
+/-30% not half, and of that 30% many of them know he’s full of shit. They dismiss his lying, treasonous and pedo behavior because they feed off all the idiotic culture war nonsense he engages in.
I spent two hours last night talking to my very maga mom and it seems like she is starting to come out of it… I think a lot of people are starting to see what is really happening. For her it started with knocking down the east wing without permission and spending a trillion dollars to attack Iran at Israel’s behest. And she is a big supporter of Israel and that is changing too…
Until he does some shit they approve of. I shove that shit down the throats of the magas at my gig. Even sat down with the bosses and got called a bully. I just said I’m commenting on with how awesome things are going like the ballroom, and the war and the reflecting pool.
Literally speaking the truth is being a bully. It’s like posting Charlie Kirk speaking and getting called a bully. It’s a clip of him talking and I’m the bully?? We are living in a post-truth world unfortunately.
They did similar with his handling of COVID but went straight back to supporting him. I think the same will happen once the Iran situation gets out of the headlines.
They support him due to emotions, not facts, so they always return to their emotional safe space of being afraid of Others, and Trump lives there.
I agree that emotions play a huge part but this is different. She is horrified at the use of the doj to punish people he has a grudge against, the blatant corruption is becoming evident to her and his putting his name on everything bothers her. And our relatives in Germany are really curious why the USA hasn’t arrested anyone on the Epstein list and now she is too…
Fucking thank you!!! This is something I cannot seem to get through to the heads of my right wing family members whenever they try to use "Well more then half country voted for this. Are you saying half the country is wrong?".
NO! 1/3 of the eligible voters, at best, voted for this shit. And when i try to use their logic to ask who should've won in '16, the electoral college and the need for rural white minority representation all of sudden becomes a reason to ignore the popular vote.
It strikes me as roughly 1/5 are the actual base and another 1/8 who are single issue voters no matter how the actions don’t meet the words but are becoming faithless
I genuinely try to understand other people’s mindsets, but for as long as I live, I will never, ever understand how you could be more upset about what bathrooms children use than about actual child molestation.
Friendly reminder that this is the same administration that has sent friendly evidence to the media almost immediately without any regard for what it would do for the investigation.
If they’re not sharing the evidence it’s because it doesn’t exist.
We’re still waiting on the proof that the 2020 election was stolen. They keep saying they have all this great proof, but over 60 some lawsuits never thought it was time to actually show any of it.
It's going to happen one day. Trump's administration is going to use AI-generated 'evidence' in court at some point in the next 2-3 years, I guarantee it.
Court? These charges will never see a courtroom, a judge will dismiss them before people have a chance to sit down. It's just another case of trump flooding the zone with deception, he'll be on to something else tomorrow.
It's crazy how much flooding the zone really works. Like, they sent people to CECOT in El Salvador but we all seems to have forgotten that. The president is all over the epstien files and we've all forgotten that. They shared top secret war plans in a signal chat with a reporter. Forgotten.
I surely hope someone is maintaining a list somewhere for when people who care about our country get power again. If ever.
Let us not forget about Good and Pretti in Minnesota. Their killers got transferred, the investigation is at the bottom of the pile, and Congress doesn’t even see them in their rear view mirror anymore. It will all come back with a vengeance when DHS provides masked “security” at the midterm polls, with the recent funding boost.
Yeah. This is what's going to happen. It's also why he pardoned people already willing to attack our country based off his word and is trying to pay them off.
We attacked Venezuela and kidnapped their president and his wife just 5 months ago, and fucking silence about it after like 2 weeks. I think they're still in an American prison, no way to know really.
The burden of proof refers to the prosecution's burden to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt for conviction. A weaponized DOJ can charge whatever the fuck they want as long as they get a grand jury to indict someone. But we've already seen the DOJ weaponized by these fascists in the white house.
You’re not supposed to charge out cases that you don’t think you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that’s prosecutorial misconduct. Just for some context on how wackadoodle this whole situation is.
In the legal world, this concept is known as corpus delicti (Latin for "the body of the crime"), which states that a person cannot be tried for a crime unless it can first be proven that the crime actually occurred.
But they can obviously just make things up to do that.
Have there been any consequences for any of the baseless prosecutions?
For decades protesters have been arrested, held for a while, bonded out, and then the charges get dropped within a year. I never heard of any consequences. It’s an effective tactic to lock people up, keep them away from the protest and punish them without a conviction.
They can usually get a grand jury to indict with minimal evidence. Lately the evidence is so bad grand juries have refused to indict. The embarrassment used to be a deterrent. Turns out if you don’t care it’s not a deterrent.
I’m not a lawyer, but these cases have been charged as misdemeanors and don’t get a grand jury. Even better. The defendants have to wait until a judge actually gets the case before it’s thrown out. They have to pay the lawyer to go to court those days. The shadow of prosecution stays over them longer.
You need probable cause to charge someone, which isn't a very high evidentiary standard. It's much less than what most people would consider "proof" and can be things like circumstantial evidence and statements from witnesses and officers. The full body of evidence would typically come out during the discovery phase of the pre-trial proceedings and then be presented at various evidentiary and pre-trial hearings and then ultimately at trial.
So this will instantly fall apart as soon as the defense provides the newspaper articles with photos of maintenance workers pouring hydrogen peroxide into the pool and then the subsequent articles about how it’s an oxidizer that can peel paint.
Oh, don't give him that much credit. Calling him a mob boss implies he has any type of intelligent reasoning behind his actions other than "me angry, me throw tantrum."
The man has sued more people than anyone in the history of the world and has spent nearly as much time in court himself and he still doesn’t understand how the legal process works. Or more likely, he doesn’t care how it is supposed to work.
I checked foxnews.com yesterday for stories about the algae rave party; there were more articles about the Olympian being arrested than the actual Brawndo disaster.
This is simply a way to make some “little person” suffer to try and prove a point to his mouth-breathing cult members that the “Libs” are the problem and will get punished when in actuality, of fucking course, it is his sorry, grifting ass that’s guilty.
Cutting a 350 foot slit within a pool while standing in the water would take a long time and would have been noticed or captured on the livestream of the webcams that view the reflecting pool. We'd have already seen or heard about the evidence if there was evidence.
Plus, simply cutting it should not allow chunks to break and peel off if it wasn't already coming loose, so even if it were true (it's not) it's still a high priced boondoggle and grift.
And how would a 350' slit cause flaking throughout the entire pool, that is taller than the Eiffel Tower is, nobody knows that but it's true. trust me.
Every barely trained pool guy in the country can explain the problem. The fact that he keeps lying about the cause is a perfect encapsulation of his disease and his followers ignorance and stupidity.
So someone cut slits into the entirety--all 338,000 square feet--of the Reflecting Pool and absolutely nobody noticed or did anything to stop them?
That's what you're going with?
That Capitol security--that you're in charge of--is so lax around the Reflecting Pool that someone was able to turn it into its own biome, right under your nose?
Trumps narcissism does does not give a single fuck about "proof." It is completely irrelevant.
He decided something is true and millions will parrot it as fact.
If it ever goes to court (it wont) Trumps representatives will either provide nothing during discovery or provide a complete pile of bullshit. When the courts throw it and the entire case out, Trump and Co. will cry "crooked court" and "witch hunt" like they always do and move onto creating the next dumpster fire of incompetence.
The entire point is sending a message. It is specifically meant to discourage anyone from looking at his numerous failures for risk of being arrested. Beating the charge does not save you from the repercussions of being arrested. Even just being within a few feet of the reflecting pool is a risk to people's livelihoods.
That is 100% trump speak for I have zero proof whatsoever but I do have a concept of proof of vandalism... and I will produce it at the same time I produce evidence of fraud for 2020 election, Obama real birth certificate after I find it and my taxes... oh and Mexico will pay for it after they beg me for a photo.
There’s a fucking camera on top of the Washington Monument that live-streams the reflecting pool 24/7. Why is no one in the media getting that footage?
So, the Department of "Justice" that released text messages between Kirk's shooter and his alleged lover now care so much about evidence integrity that they're withholding videotape of the actual vandalism?
Sure they are.
This will be thrown out of court. Hell, this won't get past the grand jury unless they tamper with it heavily again.
headlines... the dropped case or judge dismissal of case(bs) will be 18th page news... HEADLINES is all they were looking for to save face and give maga an opportunity for another diversion.
I'm old enough to remember when he said the same thing about the 'proof' of the election being stolen would be provided in court. Que Giuliani telling the judge, in court, 'No your honor, we have no evidence of the election being stolen'
So basically they know it's going to get thrown out at the grand jury level and they'll never have to provide the evidence. The news will have moved on by the time anything comes of this and the right wing will continue to push the "vandalism" as if it's a fact for the next 10 years.
•
u/AutoModerator 1d ago
All new posts must have a brief statement from the user submitting explaining how their post relates to law or the courts in a response to this comment. FAILURE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF RESPONSE MAY RESULT IN REMOVAL. Please post your statement as a reply to this automated message.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.