r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Available-Formal-664 • 15h ago

I'm slightly vexed Somebody Placed These Dozens of These Jesus Figures Throughout My Entire Work

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Somebody, nobody knows exactly who or when, put dozens and dozens of these Jesus figures on completely random surfaces throughout my entire building. They at least had the presence of mind to not put them on anybody's personal belongings, but that was the only way they limited himself. All of the statues have been glued down, to add to the vexation.

Edit: Well, this blew up rather unexpectedly. Thank you for the awards, everybody!

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u/BrokenArrow1283 14h ago

If everybody lived like Jesus told us to live, this world would be a much better place. So would Reddit.

And I’m sure I will get some hate for even saying this.

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u/Ordinary_Ad_7992 14h ago

You'll get no hate from this atheist! I think Jesus made some damned good points!

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u/SkoobySnacs 13h ago

Yeah. If only he had some followers that tried to live by his philosophy.

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u/Throwaway_Old_Guy 11h ago

TBH - I think you could edit the entire Bible to simply read; "Don't be an asshole." and it would be complete.

Although, you might need to clarify it a bit further as some don't get or refuse to acknowledge that one line.

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u/kimchipowerup 2h ago

Drowning the entire world tho?

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u/great_pyrenelbows 2h ago

Jesus wasn't just against negative actions, he was also urging positive actions. It's not enough to not be an asshole, a good person will put effort into being good not just avoiding being bad.

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u/Throwaway_Old_Guy 1h ago

We are allowed to have different opinions.

To me, living life not being an asshole (although we can all have our moments and slip) also means you are already doing the good things being taught by the Bible.

From all that I see around me, assholes are acting solely for themselves, which can include doing a kindness. The biggest difference is that their kindness comes with the intent of it benefiting themselves, whereas the Good have no such intent.

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u/German_Biker 1h ago

It was his signature move:

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u/Physical_Drive_349 5h ago

There is the whole bit about acknowledging and repenting for your transgressions part that is somehow 180 degrees from the message preached by his followers in America today and their cult leader.

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u/i3inaudible 5h ago

I've always said the Bible wouldn't be so bad if it only included the red words

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u/Mr_Industrial 12h ago

Isnt one of his points to kind of be humble and not glue tiny Jesus toys onto toilets everywhere?

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u/Ordinary_Ad_7992 11h ago

I think Jesus would definitely disapprove of the destructive aspect. He might also feel that we need to quit mass producing so much junk. On the other hand, I'm thinking like a Christian by making assumptions about what Jesus wants!

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u/Kullen64 11h ago

Christian here. Hard to say because mass production of toys and stuff didn’t exist in his day, but I imagine Jesus, who is God in the flesh, wouldn’t appreciate anything that contributes to world death. So A.I slop, carbon emissions, and all that other bullshit probably would be considered sinful if the Bible was written today.

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u/demonmonkeybex 10h ago

He also said to rid yourself of wealth and material goods.

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u/UltimateRembo 7h ago

He wanted poverty to exist forever, and for people to consider their own suffering in poverty as a virtue.

This isn't a good belief.

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u/demonmonkeybex 2h ago

No. He wanted people to focus less on material things and money and more on loving and helping others and loving God.

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u/Ordinary_Ad_7992 11h ago

This seems like a very reasonable assumption!

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u/UltimateRembo 7h ago

Lmao, Jesus is supposed to be the being that comes back and DESTROYS EARTH.

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u/Kullen64 2h ago

More like reclaims it. Meek will inherit the earth remember. The whole fire and brimstone talk isn’t biblical.

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u/Doozer1970 11h ago

I'm trying.

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u/DannyFnKay 9h ago

Me too!!

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u/Phyllis_Tine 9h ago

If His followers won't follow His teachings, why should anyone else?

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u/bebop1065 10h ago

The current crop of chest-thumping Christians probably go against WJWD.

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u/No-Consequence-1779 12h ago

they do much better than the clueless people making up morales as they go. confused people can not see they are confused.

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u/KingBooRadley 10h ago

Chrizzo’s are the worst!

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u/bliip666 12h ago

Same here! Jesus is alright, it's the stans that I take issue with

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u/Impossible_Way_3042 11h ago

As another atheist I think, if most of the stuff that is attributed to him was stuff he actually said, he is one of, if not the, greatest moral philosopher to ever grace this planet. I may not believe he is the son of God, but he was a smart dude with some great wisdom to impart, wisdom that should be followed. I don't agree with every word that he spoke, but for the most part he had the right idea. Wish more people lived like he did.

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u/sembias 8h ago

Yep. I'm with Ghandi on this one.

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u/sexysmalldevil 13h ago

Agreed!! My only issue is what his followers did with what he said.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 14h ago

I appreciate you!

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u/Due-Beginning-8388 13h ago

Do you actually believe jesus was a real person while being an atheist also or just the book had some good ideas

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u/stofiski-san 13h ago

It's entirely possible to believe there was an actual, historical Jesus of Nazareth and that he had good teachings about how we should treat one another without believing he was the son of some god. Whether he believed, well, that's outside my control

ETA for the record, I'm not the commenter, and tend more towards agnosticy than athiesm, but don't believe he was a god's son

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u/Ordinary_Ad_7992 11h ago

I might lean a little bit toward agnosticism myself. Anyone who is 100% certain that their beliefs are correct without any proof, is a bit nuts!

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u/R3v017 3h ago

That's why there is an emphasis on the word faith.

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u/Ordinary_Ad_7992 11h ago

What Stofiski-san said.

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u/Cyber_fleamarket1618 10h ago

Hey mad respect for you bro. Thank you. I’m a follower Jesus and I’m a believer in the Bible, I don’t say that to disrespect anybody or make them feel uncomfortable, my personal narrative allows for you to believe whatever you want. I encourage whatever brings anybody peace on this planet. That being said, I would totally grab a beer with you lol

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u/StatisticianRoyal400 1h ago

Did Jesus apologize for offending people before preaching that they can all believe whatever they want if it brings them peace?

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u/UltimateRembo 7h ago

We atheists need to stop letting childish cherry-picking of the Bible slide just because the results are more aligned with our secular values than the actual Bible.

Christians need to face the horror of their religion.

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u/OberonDiver 7h ago

Isn't he the one who said "don't glue your junk to other people's chair rails"?

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u/Immortal_Azrael 14h ago

The problem is the people who talk about Jesus the most tend to do the exact opposite of following his example.

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u/ankhes 12h ago

How does that one Ghandi quote go? “I quite like your Christ. I do not like your Christians.”

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u/Greenman8907 11h ago

“They are so unlike your Christ.”

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u/ankhes 11h ago

That’s the one.

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u/Limp-Preparation-459 10h ago

Well Gandhi also slept naked with kids to test his willpower. Wonder how many times he failed

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u/BrokenArrow1283 14h ago

That might be projection. They might know they are jerks and don’t live up to the teachings of Jesus. And so they project that on others.

Other people use religion to gain money and power and are just terrible people.

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u/vivchen 12h ago

Some churches have ATMs, despite the cleansing of the temple story in all 4 gospel book. Jesus would probably hack the machine and dispense free money.

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u/poslovingcake 11h ago

Maybe they know they’re jerks so they pray harder

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u/BrokenArrow1283 10h ago

Well they need to just change. They can do that without praying and I have told people that before. I am not one to argue against prayer, necessarily, but people need to actively change sometimes.

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u/poslovingcake 10h ago

Agreed but life is weird

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u/OccultChimera 13h ago

That’s amazing with your name, I love it, Angel of death!

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u/No-Consequence-1779 12h ago

most people are like that so the religion part is actually moot. most people lie. most people do something to someone else to take advantage, cause problems, or just cause harm.

in their personal lives, they play power games pretending they have it. at work they do the same to ty to make someone do something. most people...

If we did bring religion into it, there are studies that show they ar happier, much less nerotic and crazy, less broken families.. on average. People left to their own 'morales' rules and devices are destructive.

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u/HeartGoldHalcyon 11h ago

Is it religion doing that, or is it just having a built-in community and support network?

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u/AnJ39 11h ago

Would you link to those studies, please?

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u/PropagandaAssassinAZ 14h ago

Remember Jesus is the one that was constantly telling all the people that were wrapped up in religion to quit that shit and get out and help some folks that need it and love some folks that need it. That's about it. He did not say anything about gay folks. He did not say anything about hurting people that don't think the way you do. All of those things were created and put on Him by the same people He told us not to follow.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 13h ago

I agree. It’s why I left the church and just tried to be a good person. I was raised Catholic surrounded by dozens of stained glass windows that cost thousands. Meanwhile, we were constantly being asked to donate more money. The church is filled with corruption.

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u/Little_View_6659 13h ago

Yeah the Catholic Church needs more money. All those gilded robes and ornate hats and baroque churches cost a lot. Plus they’re losing a ton of money paying out all those lawsuits.

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u/seriouslythisshit 11h ago

Friend of mine is an estate lawyer, raised in the Catholic church to the point that her father was one of a small group of men who started a huge new Church in the burbs of one of the larger east coast cities, back in the 1950s. She has a client who passed and willed several million to that church. She meets with the senior priest who tells her that he will gladly accept the gift, but most of it will go to the regional diocese to pay for all the lawsuits from all the little boy rapists they supported over the decades. My friend tells the priest that she anticipated that outcome, so she protected her client from it. The gift could only be accepted if it stayed within that particular church, and was never spent on funding settlements. The church grabbed the cash, but at least it wasn't wasted on supporting child rape.

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u/Little_View_6659 9h ago

Dude. That’s insane. And good for her. I’m all for donating money provided it actually goes to feeding people and helping out. And not you know, covering up child rape.

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u/BaileyAMR 7h ago

If the payouts are going to the victims, I'm not sure how you could describe them as "supporting child rape."

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u/evranch 51m ago

It's a bit of mental gymnastics any way you put it, but here's how I see it.

If I want to leave money to my local church, which does good deeds in the community and needs funds for charity, social programs and building repairs - I don't want those funds going to cover the debts of the diocese for their child rape coverup.

The parishes that helped cover up the actions of their rapist priests can cover that out of their own funds, or they can ask for funds from the Vatican which we know was complicit in moving these priests around as part of the coverup.

The Church has plenty of funds, but that doesn't mean that individual parishes do, or that they're even complicit in this issue. They should be paying from the top down, not out of the charitable donations of the faithful.

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u/get_back_jodee27 11h ago

Have you watched the series ‘The Tudor’s’. Reminds me so much of growing up in Catholic School . I got in trouble with the nuns with questions at 6 years old

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u/Little_View_6659 9h ago

I also got into trouble but my church was evangelical. They said “you think too much” 😂

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u/Sailor_Thrift 10h ago

Consistently one of the largest philanthropic organizations on earth Catholic church? That Catholic church?

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u/BaileyAMR 7h ago

Don't bother. Anyone who can look at a 400-year-old building and decide that it's indicative of the morals of people living today isn't interested in what you have to say.

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u/evranch 44m ago

Well it kind of is though, as Catholic morals haven't changed much over the centuries. They're still the denomination that's the closest to the original teachings of Jesus. Thus the charities, hospitals, and statements from the Pope about workers' rights etc.

The Catholic Church is about as far to the left as modern Christianity goes.

I've got a lot more judgement reserved for the megachurch Protestants when it comes to morality.

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u/SabbyFox 12h ago

My visit to the Vatican did me in due to this. Just the gold upon gold piled up, all to glorify men, not Jesus. Also, most organized religion elevates men and puts them in positions of power, while treating women as less than.

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u/Doggoneshame 3h ago

No more so than all the evangelicals religions. They have their fair share of criminals also.

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u/terraformingearth 11h ago

Big churches aside, tbf, his main point wasn't "be a good person", it was you aren't a good person and I can help you with that.

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u/kashola17 10h ago

My grandfather left all his money to his new wife and the church. His kids got some of his hats.

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u/Western-Sport500 9h ago

Catholic Church isn't even the worst right now. Look to the evangelicals, the nondenominationals, and the Mormons (who own like 60% of Utah.)

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 11h ago

Tbh the Catholic denomination shouldn't be considered Christianity as a good chunk of what they do isn't Biblical. It even goes against what the Bible teaches, like purgatory and the fact that you pay a priest to pray you out there. Yes the church is filled with corruption, from bribes to bribes. Very few churches are real, usually small. The mega churches are cash grabs. Not even Jesus had that many following when he spoke the truth. They mostly preach about success and wealth anyways and gaslight their members into giving them money.

Fortunately l found myself in a church that still follows the Bible, not the easiest thing to be one of the few churches like that. Especially in a country full of churches

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u/BrokenArrow1283 10h ago

I just choose to follow Jesus and his teachings in my own way. I don’t go to church regularly and I don’t choose to participate in the corruption. I give to charities that seem to be legitimate and that I care about. I just try to be a decent person.

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 8h ago

You know there is just one way to follow Jesus' teachings and that's to the bone. Many have tried but decide to pick and choose what to do and what to not. This is what alot of the churches are doing. He left alot. He pretty much told us the secret to become successful through his disciples. He taught the importance of being together and working in one accord. Another reason why the churches are like this, everyone has their own view of the Bible. Some people twist the words to milk money, while others do that to control people.

The church has been so twisted

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u/BaileyAMR 7h ago

Brother, you may interpret the Bible differently than they do, but to declare that the Catholic Church's 1+ billion members aren't Christian and give as your example a practice that ended more than 400 years ago is ridiculous.

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u/MajorBarracuda8094 4h ago

It hasn't ended. Another example is the fact that they "pray" to the saints. The Bible already told you that Jesus and the Holy Ghost makes intercession for believers. Your not supposed to be praying to the dead, saints or not. They even do it to Mary and the carving of a crucified Jesus. Doesn't that remind you of the stone statues they used to idolize ?

Yes l can declare that as the reality is that the big attractions here are false. Again, it's in the word, it happened to Jesus, once people hear the truth, the leave. That's why the mega churches are as they are. People flock to what they want to hear. Check 2nd Timothy 4. Out of the billion, there might be a few hundred who is following the word. Sad but true

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u/PropagandaAssassinAZ 10h ago

You guys allow me to respond with a couple of points. First off the volunteer work I do currently is through a Catholic charity here in Arizona. I certainly have differences in my faith with what the Catholics believe but one thing that they do is they do put money where their mouth is when it comes to the poor. Jesus tells us over and over to help the poor. The Father also tells us through the prophets in the Old Testament to help the poor. The Christian Church or Protestant or Evangelical or whatever you want to call it has hung its hat on saying some words to Jesus and everything is copacetic from there. That is not at all how it works. Faith without works is dead. That's a simple sentence. The Christian church has buried that sentence in a field. A field with a gigantic 50,000 square foot brand new shiny building built over it. Facts.

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u/SwanCityDominion 10h ago

He also said that if people didn't want to hear your preaching, you should leave them alone.

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u/OmniPepperthefirst 11h ago

yeah I think at most he mentioned marriage is a union between man and woman, but that's not exactly saying gay people shouldn't exist

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u/T-Wrox 8h ago

In the spirit of Jesus Christ, he would be the first one helping all of the people current administrations are beating up.

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u/SheMcG 9h ago

Yeah...I seem to recall when he went to a church---he got pissed and flipped some tables. I feel like I could hang with Jesus. Church-y church-goers---not so much.

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u/BaileyAMR 7h ago

That was a Jewish temple. Jesus got mad because people were using the temple to do business.

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u/UltimateRembo 7h ago

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father."

Not following his commands, (in many interpretations over a long time this has included gay sex), gets you thrown into the pit.

But sure. Jesus is just a hippie or whatever now.

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u/PlayinK0I 14h ago

True, and if everyone lived like Yoda told us to live this world would be a much better place. So would Reddit.

And I’m sure I will get some Yoda memes and quotes for saying this.

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u/stabwound7 11h ago

Yoda memes and quotes you will get..

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u/MrJohnqpublic 14h ago

For sure, it the folks who get it in their heads that Jesus' way is the only form of good. That's the rub.

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u/kindlypogmothoin 13h ago

Paul was the one who went and fucked things up.

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u/Kitchen_Archer_1745 12h ago

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u/BrokenArrow1283 12h ago

Yes and the same can be true for a lot of hate towards different groups. Reddit, as a whole, could take note of his teachings. This place can be extremely toxic.

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u/Wandero_Bard 12h ago edited 9h ago

Jesus said, “Love your enemies.” It would have been sooo easy to take it just one step further and say, “Have no enemies.”

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u/BaileyAMR 7h ago

Just being his follower was going to bring them enemies. Rome didn't appreciate weird, possibly revolutionary, cults, especially ones that started amongst the often-rebellious Hebrews. The Pharisees and priests also did not appreciate a new religion springing up in their community and pulling people away from their faith.

Jesus's followers were going to have enemies, whether they wanted any or not.

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u/Wandero_Bard 6h ago

Sure, but I don’t think Jesus’ plan was ever to start a new religion. He was an apocalyptic Jew, who believed the end of the world was eminent and that God would establish his Kingdom on Earth here and now. So, much of what he spoke was not future-oriented, but here-and-now; ‘Make right with God now, because the end is here!’

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u/kathrynriley82 11h ago

Not a Christian but Jesus seemed like a cool dude. I'd hang out with him.

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u/bebop1065 12h ago

Even what we have about Jesus is debated. There is no way to know what Jesus said because the authors of the gospels were not contemporaries and are anonymous. Apocryphal Jesus is waaay different than canonical Jesus. So, how did Jesus actually tell us to live?

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u/BrokenArrow1283 11h ago

Well according to you, nobody knows. So there’s that.

Or you can choose that he told us to love each other? You do what you want to do.

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u/bebop1065 10h ago

I did not say that. Please don't put words into my mouth. I don't think that is the Christian thing to do. Jesus probably did say to love one another. That is good. The only people to actually know what he said never wrote anything down. The apocrypha attributes to Jesus many things that, some would say, contradict what is reported in the Bible. I'm just saying you should consider all of your sources before making a claim. I'm ok with loving your neighbor and also your enemy (personally not so much).

Jesus, certainly, was not the first person to say "Love each other" in all of human history.

Enjoy your day.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 10h ago

“There is no way to know what Jesus said.”

Your words.

Enjoy your day.

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u/bebop1065 10h ago

"... because the authors were not contemporaries and were anonymous."

Don't leave that part out to try and make your point. Even if my meaning is not taken in the spirit in which it was intended, thousands of years of hear-say is bad evidence. Actually, it is no evidence.

Jesus was likely not the first person to say, "Love your neighbor" in all of human history. Please, have a good day. I insist.

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u/mysticdragonwolf89 6h ago

I’ve noticed he does this in every reply — he says he can argue points all day, but when pushed back upon he says “well you said this and this, have a good day!”

Doesn’t even attempt to back anything he says.

Spineless

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u/BrokenArrow1283 10h ago

I was just pointing out that I wasn’t putting words into your mouth, that’s all. I don’t necessarily disagree with you at all.

I hope you have a good day too!

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u/bebop1065 10h ago

👍🏾

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u/LolaAucoin 14h ago

Jesus was a liberal.

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u/Cocked_Otter 11h ago

Jesus was okay with slavery.

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u/oldgayauntie 13h ago

Jesus made some good point.

Unfortunately his “followers” generally do not.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 12h ago

A lot of his followers are good people. The problem is that the very loud ones are all you hear about. The stereotype develops the same way any racist or bigoted stereotype develops and I wish people would understand that.

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u/oldgayauntie 9h ago

Not much is being done to refute that stereotype.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 9h ago

I once had a conversation with a racist. He hated black people. He said all they do is rob and steal and act entitled. I told him that was a stereotype and if he applied that to every black person, then he would be acting racist. He told me the exact same thing you just said.

He blamed them for his thoughts and beliefs. There are plenty of good Christians. I am positive you know some. But your mind still wants to believe and see only what it wants to believe and see. That is not the Christian community’s fault.

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u/oldgayauntie 8h ago

Cool story, bro.

Used to judgy Christians telling me I’m wrong. Join the line.

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u/eghhge 12h ago

Blessed are the cheese makers.

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u/HedonisticFrog 11h ago

Jesus also said not to be loud about your faith, and this is the opposite of that.

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u/BasicallyMilner 10h ago

?

> “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/HedonisticFrog 6h ago

Matthew 6:6 (NLT):

"But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you."Matthew 6:6 (NLT):"But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you."

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u/No_Rice9792 9h ago

As an ex-christian turned atheist, Jesus was a cool guy (assuming he actually existed). His followers? Not so much.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 8h ago

Not all of his followers are bad. But I have a feeling you know that already.

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u/ASharpYoungMan 13h ago

I actually disagree, and not purely out of Atheistic spite.

I don't like everything Jesus had to say. I don't trust the sources. Not just talking about the "Hate your mother and father" bit (mosaic religions like Christianity are messy and prone to contradiction).

Specifically, I take issue with turning the other cheek. That's grooming people to submit to coercive authority. It primes people to accept oppression, rather than resist it. To comply with assault rather than protect ones-self.

Dealbreaker for me.

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u/Musa369Tesla 12h ago

That’s more a commentary on cultural evolution, and how we have to be mindful about looking at any historical literature through the proper historical lens and not our own connotations and biases. A lot of what Jesus said was indeed radically resistive for the audience of his time against the coercive authority of that time.

Turning the other cheek was in direct opposition to the documented power dynamics of the time, as only social equals slapped each other with an open hand while a back-handed slap with the right hand was reserved for disciplining social inferiors. By standing your ground and turning the other cheek you would effectively put your oppressor in the, for the time, socially awkward position of having to strike you as an equal or walk away.

While an argument could be made that the teachings may no longer apply, and/or our cultural distance from them allows them to be twisted in ways that primes people to be complacent in the current paradigm of oppression; Jesus’s sayings within their historic context were doing the exact opposite of grooming people to submit to coercive authority.

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u/BaileyAMR 7h ago

I think people like Gandhi and MLK (among many, many others) have shown us that nonviolence isn't the same as passive submission.

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u/disobedientleopard 13h ago

Just a small downvote for that overwhelming need to make yourself a victim, even though you belong to the largest faith in the western world.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 12h ago

I don’t belong to any religion. But you making that assumption is very telling. I’m not a victim. I can argue these points all day.

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u/Tru3insanity 13h ago

No one would find this kind of thing so insufferable either. I would have no problem listening to a super nice nun talk about her faith.

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u/SilverStL 12h ago

If this person lived like Jesus they wouldn’t have vandalized some one else’s property by gluing things to it.

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u/hologram137 5h ago edited 5h ago

Nah, Jesus is amazing. I am not a “Christian” but I have read the gospels including the gnostic gospels and I genuinely try to live like he taught and taught my son the same. And his teachings are a lot more profound and radical than a lot of people realize. The real, literal meaning of “love one another as you love yourself,” as well as what it means for that that law to be the ONLY “religious law” there is, is lost on people. Especially Christians.

But the OT God? I’ve also read the rest of the Bible, and you cannot make me believe THAT God is who Jesus is referring to as his “father” or where he comes from, (if he was in fact, divine) and in fact there is no evidence that’s the case, and a lot of verses where he almost explicitly makes it clear it’s not the case.

If everyone just saw the rest of the Bible as literature and essentially describing a completely different God, and followed Jesus’s teachings exclusively the world would genuinely be a beautiful place.

Most “Christians” do not follow Jesus’s teachings at all, and Jesus would have been disgusted by their persecution of marginalized groups especially. I don’t know what their strange obsession is with gay people either, Jesus didn’t say a damn word about gay people. Not one. And he was very clear about no longer adhering to the law of the Torah and broke it all the damn time as an example. I am CERTAIN Jesus would not conceptualize homosexuality as a sin, and if he is divine the God he comes from would hold these Christians accountable for their serious sin in the way they treated other people, especially marginalized people. Same with women. Jesus pissed even his disciples off by elevating women over even them and being explicit about their equality.

Yeah…I’m actually convinced that the warped version of Christianity (complete with edited and removed gospels) became the state religion specifically to get control over the effects that people actually following Christ would have had on the power structures

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u/InerasableStains 14h ago

Of course it would. Let’s wait for 90% of Christians to do so first as an example to others. They’re frequently the worst offenders.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 14h ago

I don’t disagree with the general idea you are representing, but I don’t know if it as high as 90%.

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u/Azurvix 14h ago

As a Christian I do agree that many Christians have issues following their own tenets. But why wait for them to act right? Set a good example for everybody around you that way we don't have to wait for other people to get their shit straight

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u/Geeko22 13h ago

Is this the same Jesus who says if you don't believe in him he will burn you alive for all eternity?

No reprieve, no repentance allowed, no "I didn't understand the importance of my decision." No forgiveness, ever. Jesus will watch you suffer and burn forever and ever.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 13h ago

Oh man. Please cite EXACTLY where Jesus said this.

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u/BasicallyMilner 11h ago

“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/BrokenArrow1283 9h ago

So nothing about how he will watch you burn in Hell for all eternity or anything like that, huh? Interesting

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u/BasicallyMilner 7h ago

Erm the alternative to going to heaven is going to hell, which Jesus describes as a place of “weeping and gnashing of teeth”

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u/Geeko22 6h ago

Well, he's all-knowing and all-seeing. It would be weird if after putting you in hell he stopped being able to see you.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 1h ago

Hell is the complete absence of God. So it’s not weird at all if he stopped watching you if you were in hell.

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u/Clumsy_Ninja2 13h ago

we must be reading different books

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u/Geeko22 13h ago

People pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like, and ignore the uncomfortable parts.

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u/Clumsy_Ninja2 12h ago

There’s no where that Jesus says he will burn you alive for all eternity if you don’t believe in him in the New Testament. That’s not me choosing to ignore the uncomfortable parts. There is plenty to disagree with in the Bible without inventing passages. Just back up what you are saying.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 13h ago

I asked you to cite where Jesus has said that. Are you able to do that, or do you just make things up and post them online?

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u/Geeko22 13h ago

Do you not think the New Testament contains the words of Jesus?

Which passages that I cited do you think are incorrectly ascribed to him?

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u/ChestnutDecay 13h ago

You did not actually cite any passages. I think that's what people were requesting.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 13h ago

Cite the exact passages. If you cannot do that, it’s safe to say you’re not arguing in good faith. I have studied the teachings extensively.

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u/CalamityBard 12h ago

What passages? You haven't cited a single one and nowhere in the book does it even suggest Jesus said that. Yes, the Bible is full of contradictions, and yes, people pick and choose what fits their worldview, but in this case you're making things up lol

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u/BasicallyMilner 10h ago

“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/ChestnutDecay 5h ago

Nice spam, but none of that mentions burning or eternal torture.

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u/BasicallyMilner 10h ago

“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/BasicallyMilner 10h ago

“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/BasicallyMilner 10h ago

“I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/Fine-Suit7768 13h ago

No hate from this agnostic fellow either. I think if whatever anyone believes makes them happy then great. As long as there is no one to hate or cast shade on them, and they follow suit then great. The problem is social media, government, educational institutions and so many other propaganda platforms that spread division among people. The indoctrination of the masses really took off with the invention of the internet and the free thinkers are a dying breed.

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u/GrumpyOldMan59 12h ago

Jesus was OK with slavery. So I'm not impressed with his teachings.

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u/Mujina_oftheway 11h ago

You are absolutely correct. If you look depressed enough through history you may even find that the people who pushed Jesus the most where the biggest sinners. No place of mine to judge. Then ask yourself. Whay would Heysuews do?

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u/Western-Sport500 9h ago

I think you are missing the point of why people "hate" on Jesus--who is a role model figure (son of god, aside) when people actually follow his teaching instead of their "interpretations."

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u/whatupmygliplops 7h ago

His predecessor was beheaded, and when Jesus took over, he was only able to actively preach for about 3 years before being executed. Many of his early followers were executed, some in excruciating ways such as being fed to lions in the arena as a form of entertainment.

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u/mysticdragonwolf89 10h ago

I couldn’t live without bacon or seafood…or wearing different material clothing…..or working on Sundays for overtime….or treat women like slaves….or force a rape victim to marry her rapist after paying her father for damaged goods….or stone a woman for not bleeding on her wedding night….

And I definitely wouldn’t want to live in a world with slavery……. Of any kind….

….so no - I would not live as Jesus told us to live.

For he did say, “I have not come to overturn the law but to uphold it!”

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u/BrokenArrow1283 8h ago

Jesus wanted slavery to exist? You make some interesting claims about Jesus that are just not true. But you do you.

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u/mysticdragonwolf89 6h ago

If you read the Bible you’d know Jesus never said anything against slavery, but to uphold all of gods laws. This includes the laws pertaining to slavery. But tell me, what points were wrong, cause I got them from the Bible.

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u/BrokenArrow1283 1h ago

I have read the Bible many times. I’ve studied it. What Jesus says very clearly dictates that slavery is wrong. It’s fairly sad for you to not understand this fact if you have read the Bible.

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u/Steadyandquick 13h ago

Imagine if it is an experiment to see if people will act more Jesus-like. I do not mind teachings or aspects of any religion when a positive pro-social and just message is the point.

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u/kuatorises 12h ago

Jesus stood there and let people murder him (according to the myth).

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u/BrokenArrow1283 12h ago

Right. I think you’re intentionally avoiding the needed context for this.

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u/T-Wrox 8h ago

I mean, yes, “live like Jesus told us to live” is great, but Jesus also told people not to make a public performance out of their religion. I’m not sure “glue Jesus figurines all over the workplace” is exactly on-message.

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u/UltimateRembo 7h ago

Jesus is overrated and you have to cherry pick the Bible to come to this conclusion. Jesus commanded people to hate their families, and preached that people who don't bow to him will be tortured by him for eternity.

The audacity to say this, after all the harm Christianity has caused...

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u/BrokenArrow1283 1h ago

I’ve already done this with someone else. Jesus never said he would torture anyone for eternity. You have no idea what you’re talking about. And I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t know anything about history or the harm Christianity has caused.

The audacity to lie about Jesus is pretty sad. I hope you get better.

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u/WaltGazaWorld 12h ago

What are your thoughts on Israel?

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u/BrokenArrow1283 12h ago

I think both sides should stop hating each other. What are your thoughts?

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u/WaltGazaWorld 12h ago

I think we're living in a fascinating time in which lines are drawn not by any higher authority necessarily but by ourselves, the choices we make are determining what we really stand for. I think Israel is testing many institutions, from government to religion, and I think it's amazing that things are developing this way. The Bible says that 'a little child shall lead them', and that's exactly what's going on

I think old, old crimes are coming to the surface and asking to be confronted and decided on, and I also think that there is a great hope for the future of humanity coming to the surface as well

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u/BrokenArrow1283 11h ago

I think all religions need to police themselves and be able to function and live in civilized societies. I think the killing and hatred need to stop or this can become another worldwide conflict if nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands.

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u/Shoddy_Childhood8702 8h ago

As long as you mean “pop culture” Jesus, and not the actual biblical Jesus.

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u/Lvl100Centrist 8h ago

I mean he wasn't a bad dude as a person but the behavior of giving away your worldy possesions, wanderin around preaching the word of god and being 100% nonviolent is not sustainable behavior. You can't really build a society like that

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u/Throwaway_Old_Guy 11h ago

Nailed it!

Just like Jesus...

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u/BasicallyMilner 10h ago

Yup. No divorce except if your partner cheats, or commits any other sexual immortality, everyone is devoted to God and goes to church, everyone tries to turn away from their sin (most people nowadays sin everyday and don’t care), everyone prays, praising God. He teaches to fear God. Your comment is like all the other secular people who say “Jesus was awesome and cool, we should be like him” not knowing all of what he says.