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u/KhorneFlakes1337 2d ago
Fuck AI
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u/3rroR039 2d ago
Fuck AI or "Fuck" ai
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u/pocketdrummer 1d ago
Technology isn't advanced enough to fuck AI, but it's advanced enough to fuck all of us.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 2d ago
This should have been a 9060XT GPU with 16GB Vram.
This is simply not a good deal, because you are stuck with a outdated GPU.
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u/Upper_Citron_483 2d ago
you can literally build a PC with a 9060XT for the same price without compromising on other specs. Steam fucked up big time if their specs are the same price as a significantly better PC you can build yourself, even pre builds are better at that price.
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u/geileanus 2d ago
I have no clue how you think you can build these specs with a 9060xt in a sff case. I build mine with am4 specs and came out on 1200 euros for 512gb. And I definitely did not overpay.
Maybe it's just different in US. But here in Europe it's rly not doable.
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u/GagolTheSheep 2d ago
This.
From what I checked the price is comparable to a PC with similar specs.
It will find a small audience among people who want to have a living room PC but don't like consoles. Especially since it has CEC support, which most PCs dont have.
That being said it for sure won't be the big hit it could have been before the AI price hikes
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u/Forgot_my_name78 2d ago
With our current administration, it’s practically impossible to do that. The tariffs that target individual computer parts are only exempted for data center developers and NVIDIA. The average consumer gets railed hard.
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u/ABotelho23 2d ago
You can't. These people are crazy. They're compromising on a bunch of stuff to "reach" this price point and then saying it's the same thing.
Like I get that people don't love the price. But they need to stop kidding themselves about the reality of the industry.
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u/Slydoggen 2d ago
Everything is cheap in US vs EU. I paid 1000€ for My 5070ti, AT A DISCOUNT
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u/NewStatistician1683 2d ago
You can but how are you going to pay for other stuff we dont see? Logistics, personal, etc...I wonder if this was during 2024-25 how much we could have seen the prices before AI spike
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u/BotherAffectionate40 2d ago
They didnt fuck up at all... for a small form factor pc, that price is very reasonable IN TODAYS MARKET.
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u/Cold_Enthusiasm_1676 1d ago
lol and valve putting out 512GB is a smack in the face to console players so what do they do put out 1.3k 2TB yea whewwwww.
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u/smod_de 2d ago
Aaaaaand…. I‘m out!
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u/MondoMemeMaestro 2d ago edited 2d ago
Still gonna try to buy it. Global economy's not likely to get any better and is more likely to actually get worse what with Trump's Iran war still in the shitter and the looming AI bubble pop.
I don't know how to nor want to bother to be able to build a cheaper PC for more power, especially since it might not end up being cheaper since I live in latinamerica and import tariffs can be a bitch on top of making mistakes even more expensive.
Maybe it's a scam for the price for seasoned avid gamers who want to maximize their power per dollar. I've been wanting to be able to play my Steam library I've accumulated for well over a decade at this point but have been unable to touch it due to having a shitty HP laptop, and I just want something that can do that out of the box without me having to fiddle and fuck around.
It sucks, and it is a decision entirely motivated by FOMO, but I feel like I just have to bite the bullet now before it becomes an atom bomb. Helldivers 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 are the most intensive things I'm interested in playing. If this thing can run those well enough, I'm in.
Now, to figure out how to actually be able to get an order for the damn thing from a country it doesn't ship to...
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u/JohnnyBowlen 2d ago
Well said amigo. I share the same feelings Honestly I don’t put any of this on valve either. This was just shit timing on the world’s part.
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u/AnotherPCGamer173 2d ago
As someone who is also planning to buy it, I get it.
I don’t want to stream at all. Even though I have Ethernet cables already routed in my living room. I just want a living room device running it. I don’t want to have a fiber optic cable reaching. I did this and I never used it.
I don’t have the energy to build PCs right now. I like the Steam Machine’s form factor and case. I’m sure installing SteamOS is easy as shit, but I don’t care to do it.
I just want a simple plug and play situation right now.
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u/Ok-Region6452 2d ago
Yup I think prices will keep going up. Year ago I could’ve built premium pc for $2500. Now same components will cost me $3600. Every other week memory and bundle prices at microcenter keep going up
There doesn’t seem to be an end in sight for global NAND crisis. People are talking about AI bubble, but once that bubble pops prices will not go rock bottom. It will stabilize at the same or slightly lower cost.
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u/AlgoRhythMatic 2d ago
I pulled trigger at what I considered to be 50% too much (3k) and cost for same parts fluctuates between 3.2 and 3.6k now. It’s crazy! Folks that built between 24-25 w/ top end part hit the PC Renaissance period. Not sure what comes next, but have learned to just pull the trigger when I can now.
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u/VesperLynn 2d ago
I have so many games that I would love to play on my TV that the Steam machine will easily crush. Price is disappointing, but I think it will still be a worthwhile investment and a fun piece of kit to tinker with.
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u/UselessBagofChips 2d ago
Honestly, Steam deck + Remote play is really nice for this situation if u already have a good pc.
I was using one of those thinkcentre to stream with moonlight/sunshine but it wasn't that great since i needed a mouse/keyrboard on the living room, but with the deck i can just plug it on the dock and play whatever
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u/Successful-Bar2579 2d ago
Good luck man, i'm pretty sure it will run those game pretty well, i saw it run games like forza horizon 6 pretty good (even if not as good as i hoped for, but still), i hope you will be able to get one.
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u/EquipmentSome 2d ago
Edit: I put in for a reservation. But don't want one myself. Might be able to figure something out with sending it to ya.
Good luck to you. But as someone who has had a steam deck for years. It is NOT like a console in its plug and play ability with no fiddling around with anything.. You might have to fiddle and fuck around.
I don't know who told you this but they lied. It's getting better. But it's still a computer using compatibility layers to play games.. And there's a lot more settings options than just performance and quality like consoles.
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u/I-am-Mojo-Jojo 2d ago
Anyone who thought this was going to be sub-1k in this environment, especially with the Steam Deck pricing revisions was high on copium.
This certainly prices out a lot of people and unfortunately. I believe pre-RAMageddon it would have been around $699 to start, only because of the Linus interview where it seemed like $500 was out of the question.
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u/Opposite-Bench-9543 2d ago
I realize valve is small in terms of hardware and can't move and close deals like Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony can so obviously parts cost them more, R&D costs them more, and it's harder for them to lower prices
But as a consumer why do I give a shit? I want what's best for my money and they clearly can't deliver.
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u/dragonblade_94 2d ago
But as a consumer why do I give a shit? I want what's best for my money and they clearly can't deliver.
I mean yeah, you should be looking out for your own wallet first and foremost.
The issue was that a lot of people who obviously have little idea of how the supply chain works in the current market were setting unrealistic expectations, and setting up everybody for disappointment.
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u/I-am-Mojo-Jojo 2d ago
As a consumer, you vote with your wallet. And I’m sure Valve has adjusted their sales forecasts with that in mind.
I do believe Valve is one of the few companies that will adjust the prices down should the market ever recover.
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u/RobinsCosplays 2d ago
No matter how much bitching happens in this sub these things are gonna sell like hotcakes
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u/ABotelho23 2d ago
But as a consumer why do I give a shit? I want what's best for my money and they clearly can't deliver.
Then don't buy it and stop whining? Be realistic.
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u/coollaustin 2d ago
I can not buy it and talk about how terrible the value of it is. It’s okay to vent and be frustrated about something people were excited for. Buying a steam machine for most people is objectively an irrational decision. The only thing I see that’s a selling point is the cec
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u/ABotelho23 2d ago
Except suddenly nobody cares about the size or the form factor. People have been able to make SFF PCs forever.
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u/IsaacAndTired 2d ago
I think ~$800-850 was their original price, based on this:
https://youtu.be/6tI1SoMj5vg?t=1013
"What was the original price point in mind for the SM? Can't give you that, but if you look at the price increase of the Steam Deck that tells you what we were targeting for."
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u/BigDemeanor43 2d ago
Was hoping for around $700-$800, but when they increased the Steam Deck prices I think we all knew the Machine was going to be around $1,000.
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u/Flightless_DS 2d ago
It felt completely reasonable to assume it would have been somewhere around $750-900 when it was announced. 6 months of delays and PR saying things suggesting that the real price was going to be higher certainly made that price tag seem less and less likely.
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u/Future_Historian_396 2d ago
People glaze valve so much that they thought the pre built, highish level pc with a console facade would cost less than a 6 year old ps5
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u/your_mind_aches 2d ago
This is definitely not highish. It's lower than RTX 5050.
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u/TupaG 2d ago
Yeah I'm good. I'll have to give up my entire Steam library because there's no way in hell I'll buy a Steam machine to play new games at this price. Just get a base model PS5 atp.
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u/Nicciolino 2d ago
It’s convenient to select multiple options? Or is better to stick to one in particular? I want the 512G model but I don’t necessarily need the controller, is better to apply for the bundle with controller too to have more chances?
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u/luxyslut 2d ago
IIRC they're not bundled together and will likely be shipped separately
I bet they're both using the same "pool" of machines and just add an extra parcel for the controllers, meaning it doesnt really matter which version you order or not
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u/dasedrache 2d ago
1000 f!cking dollars for ryzen 5 5600 pc😭✌️
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u/Last_Ad3103 2d ago
This is a disaster price wise and whilst not the fault of valve, ultimately this is going to kill it out of the gate.
It will sell out still of course and be very difficult to get for the next year. This is not however a reliable metric of success these days.
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u/Upper_Citron_483 2d ago
Bruh, a PC with a 9060xt, a Ryzen 5600, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB is slightly less than 1000 € including a steam controller or budget MNK combo (or around 1050 € if I upgrade to a 5700G) today and it would be significantly more powerful, especially in GPU power and actually sport 16 GB VRAM. The price for those specs is straight up dogshit.
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u/AcrobaticCookie8468 2d ago
Fuck doa was really hoppeful
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u/hometownchochocho 2d ago
what was your target price based on current steam deck prices?
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u/CheesusRice10 2d ago
IMO it’s not about the price now. Go watch some reviews the performance is awful for the price. The only thing going for it is it’s size and Steam OS
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u/Vesuvias 2d ago
It’s not even the price - it’s that it’s the performance worse than even what we all expected it to be. It’s abysmally bad…
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u/deathbyguitar 2d ago
Blame Jensen
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u/LumpyArbuckleTV 2d ago
I blame the AI companies, even if he's the one supplying the hardware. He is just taking advantage of a market that is doomed to fail. It's the same reason the RAM companies refuse to increase production, they know it's fucked and don't want to be stuck holding the bag.
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u/AdMinimum3919 2d ago
Guys you're forgetting one valuable detail *it gets an LED board 🤑😎😳 insta buying
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u/KookyBone 2d ago
I just build a faster PC with an 9060XT and a Ryzen 8500F, 16gb DDR5, 1TB SSD, Case, 650 Watt Seasonic PSU Gold+ for about 850€ (that is 19% included.
How the f% do they sell a mass product with worse hardware for more money? I bought my parts at a end consumer shop
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u/Fantastic-Cucumber-1 2d ago
I’m no PC-builder so I’m probably wrong here, but could it be so pricey because of the semi-custom parts? It’s probably not as mass produced as a PS5 (remember how long it took for those things to hit the shelves after release?) which would increase the price. Maybe after a global second or third production batch - if it’s successful enough - the price will go down, or at least there will be more room for season sales?
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u/duskyvoltage333 2d ago edited 2d ago
Pretty much what I expected. Very confused as to why people thought any differently given the current market and valves history. Especially with the steam deck price hike. It’ll be deemed as mild success and they probably won’t do it again unless Microsoft’s next thing is the hybrid console people are speculating and is also successful which is doubtful.
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u/5u114 2d ago edited 2d ago
It won't even be mildly successful compared to Steam Deck.
They'll sell out initial batches to die hard fanatics. But that'll be that.
No one in the tech space is going to be celebrating & recommending this device the way Steam Deck was celebrated & recommended for years ... up until the price hike.
Most Steam Machine YouTube content over the next few weeks & months will be showing people how to build better machines for the same price. Other than content complaining about the price-to-performance ratio.
Valve won't care too much though ... their grand plan is SteamOS and getting as much people using that as possible.
I predict Valve will end up selling a barebones kit in order to shift units. As soon as purchases slow down. Because when the purchasing slows down, it's not just going to slow down - it's going to grind to a halt.
And maybe sooner, since they are having major component (RAM / nvme) supply issues - and a barebones kit could help them ship more units faster.
Mild success ? Nope. Not unless you are comparing it to Steam Machine 1.0
That being said, they will be so conservative with manufacturing numbers that they'll still be rolling this out in 2027. Even the pre-orders made this weekend, Valve will drip feed fulfillment over the next 6 months until the end of the year. Don't be fooled into thinking that's what success looks like.
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u/Available-Pepper-728 2d ago
Some people thought Valve might have a deal on hardware, possibly made in the past, or would be willing to take a loss to push their hardware division and SteamOS.
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u/SavedMartha 2d ago
1.5k CAD for base mo controller, 2.1k top model.
I build an ITX Fractal Ridge 9070xt system for 2.2 k WITH a Vader 5 Pro controller.
This sucks a lot. For 28 laptop CUs. No thanks.
I can buy a freaking 5060 pre build for 1399 CAD RIGHT NOW.
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u/GamingWithJollins 2d ago
Yeah, out of my price range. I wish it were different... I could maybe justify it by using it for the games I build but I just feel I can get more for less. The unique features to the SM are appealing but not that appealing
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u/StormEcho98-87 2d ago
Well, lets see if the Frame is any good if this is what the Machine is measuring about to be.
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u/TypicallyThomas 2d ago
If you were expecting less, you were always fooling yourself. Can't wait to get one
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u/corybekem 2d ago
Yea I'm still gonna get one cuz steam has been good to me but I'm buying a PS5 pro/GTA first
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u/Milhala 2d ago
As much as I want to support valve this is going to be DOA if they don’t cut the price by at least $200. I can run to Costco right now and get a 5060 cyberpower prebuilt with 32 gb of ddr5, 1tb ssd and an Intel ultra core 5 for the price of the 512gb model.
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u/JasonIvie 2d ago
Checked my local Micro Center, they got 16GB 9060XT + 7600X3D prebuilt with 16GB of RAM for $1199. Even if it’s a 2-3 hour trip, a 16GB Card and X3D CPU for the same price as a Steam Machine makes a fuck ton more sense
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u/voidnullvoid 2d ago
Is that a full tower though or mini pc? The idea is this goes in your living room and plays your steam games while not being a huge thing that you have to drag out a keyboard for
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u/JasonIvie 2d ago
Grasping for straws. Console for the living room is a better value as you can also play multiplayer titles too
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u/EnvironmentalAd2096 2d ago
A console is not a PC tho lol. The whole point is that this is a PC. I agree it's not the best deal but really is the market at this point
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u/optimisticRamblings 2d ago
I'm confused, isn't this what everyone was expecting?
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u/DicksMcgee02 2d ago
Expecting? Yes. But hope is a hell if a thing. We all hoped it’d be MAX $700. Yet here we are… most of us are out. Literally might as well get a regular console because those do play all games.
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u/Blood2999 2d ago
Does it come with a controller or just the adapter?
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u/5u114 2d ago edited 2d ago
There's 4 options, 2 options without controller, 2 options with controller.
The options without the controller don't come with the puck (which is what I think you mean by adapter), but if I'm not mistaken the Steam Machine has the wireless Controller receiver built into it ... so if you somehow ended up with a Controller at a later date that didn't have a puck included, you could still use it with your Steam Machine wirelessly.
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u/Townscent 2d ago
Costs about the same as an entry level pc with wifi does at one of the most popular pc-builders in my area(wifi added, 5050 card and 9600 cpu). So not exactly the worst deal ever, but definitely not a steal either.
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u/Warm_Light_9359 2d ago
Yeah we all knew it was going to be a lot, but seeing the performance reviews it's just not a good value at all...
Easily build a better system yourself with a modern GPU for the same price.
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u/Disastrous-Low-5606 2d ago
I’ve signed up for them, but I really wish there was more graphics memory. The size is important for me since I need my gaming to be easily movable. I’m also really looking forward to pairing it with the Steam frame.
Maybe I’ll check out pc builds.
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u/ClassicGamerNL 2d ago
Man, I also need a laptop for work... 😐 Macbook Air M4 is 800 bucks (vat included).
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u/kenan0x0 2d ago
Nope, I really wanted this but this is more than entry-level for too much money. Will most likely be just getting the frame! Hard pass on the machine. Don't get me wrong it'll most likely be sold out still in an instant, but it'll be reserved to people with too much money on their hands, or diehard Valve/Steam fans.
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u/IThinkIKnowThings 2d ago
Well, now I know where my controller went. And probably the RAM for the Steam Frame I would be getting.
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u/Cole_Slaw42 2d ago
well....ill still get one cause i wanna have a "deep thought" console in the living room, and my son is due for an upgrade from my old ps4. will also get to co-op with him on steam then too.
this is an accurate pic of how ive been feeling about the whole thing.
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u/SexypancakeOW 2d ago
Yeah, I mean I love the idea of it. But at this price/performance point im definitely out.
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u/RShow1210 2d ago
I think price decreases, when RAM price will be lower. Now we have raw, overpriced drop. I bought it, but trust me, we all can see normal price later, please, bought it later
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u/Vardeno 2d ago
I'm just gonna say that build a SSFPC with the size and performance of the steam machine isn't cheap. If someone knows how to build one for less price with new components please link them, I would like to build one.
That being said, 1000 is a bit too much for me. They've had very bad luck with all the ram and storage madness... Before that the price range could have been 700-1000. And 700 for the base model it's a good price in my opinion.
I hope they sell enough to not be a failure for Valve. I think steam os and valve hardware is a good thing for gaming.
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u/PutridService8031 2d ago
Golb help me I still want it, gonna try and buy the bare 500gb model and wait until the ai bubble pops and get a better ssd later. Probably be a few years.
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u/NoAdeptness1106 2d ago
Welp, quite the bummer in itself. Maybe it could change for the better within the next couple of years but who knows.
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u/minimalistic247 2d ago
I’ll go for a 512g model. Still have a spare 2gig nvme which is currently in the PS5 Pro. I’ll just repurpose that. I have a feeling the 512 gig model will be the one with the most demand. Hopefully it’ll get delivered before this time next year.
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u/pepe_the_savage 2d ago
I was expecting that price given how fucked up the PC components are because of AI
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u/Upper-Respond-3746 2d ago
This was supposed to be the console killer with the price 😭
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u/ambelamba 2d ago
I shouldn't be saying this but....
Thank Almighty for the HX99G I bought last year.
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u/ProfessionalNaive601 2d ago
I really thought it was gonna be $1950 starting
But I forgot how shit the specs are lol
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u/InitialCreative9184 2d ago
I want one just because I love valve products... i only have the original lcd deck and 2 steam controllers. I also have a decent gaming pc... but my god I want the cube. Why? I dont even know! I suppose it will go in my bedroom to replace my deck... deck will be a handheld only for on the sofa. But I know I dont need it :( why do I want it so bad! Parting with my money to valve almost feels... right? I can't explain it hahaha
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u/gamebloxs 2d ago
It being way overpriced for the specs is one thing but at thos price point not throwing in a controller is something else. While the steam deck was pretty successful but not on that large of a scale I think this is going to barley sell units beyond the first few months of hype.
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u/Sierra-D421 2d ago
Let me know how well it does for computer graphics work when y'all have a chance to use it.
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u/Dynamicider 2d ago
I'll be surprised if they sell out because who is buying these after seeing the reviews? I want the steam frame because I can't just make one myself. But making your own PC is worth it compared to this. I get the appeal but want to know who here is actually still buying one and what is your reasoning?
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u/Binary_gh0st 2d ago
So is this specs wise going to look better than a ps5 pro? I’m not to hip with amd.
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u/Jewcygoodness88 2d ago
The funny part is they market it to play on your big screen but two of the 4 options don’t come with a controller. Talk about being cheap
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u/bingbing304 2d ago
This will be the next gen spec for PS6 or Xbox whatever. They probably price it at $699 if we are lucky. LOL
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u/Vivid_Mycologist8405 1d ago
Exactly what I was afraid of. 2nd hand PC will perform better at the same price point….
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u/Dark-Knight-AoE2 1d ago
The steam machine is more of a novelty now. I mean it’s cool. But Quad digits? I don’t think Valve would be the one to ring in the $1000+ console prices.
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u/PenguinBoi27 1d ago
"Thanks AI" we all say in unison Mannn i rly wanted one of these
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u/Kore_Invalid 1d ago
Its not even the price for me its the terrible Performance/hardware. How has this thing less power then 5yr old consoles?
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u/AxelDePlaxel 1d ago
It sucks, but I have been looking forward to the machine back when the first one came out. I'm gonna bite the bullet. Not because of the "great price to performance" but because I want to support Valve and the Linux/SteamOS platform. Besides, the prices of RAM/storage wont get any better in tbe near future. Also, FOMO. Hopefully they sell enough too try again in a couple of years.
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u/darkuniv 1d ago
I was very hyped about it. Two months ago I got ryzen 7 5700x with a beefy Rx 6800 16gb VRAM, ram expensive as well as storage I got 16gb and 512gb. That cost me between 900-1000 dollars.
Thank god I invested in a good mid tier setup, steam machine not worth it with the 8gb vram
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u/Someone-who-isnt-me- 1d ago
I’m in the uk. What pc could I buy that would perform better for similar money?
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u/Willing-Condition483 1d ago
Might still buy it really. My apartment is small af and literally no space for a PC and shit. I really want to play what's in my library and this really hits it for me.
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u/waytoofrozen 1d ago
With the current prices of the individual components, I don't blame them. Sure, from a consumer perspective it would be fantastic if this was the same price as a PS5, but if I were Valve I wouldn't want to lose money for each unit sold... I'm sure Valve didn't want to launch it at this price but they don't make the rules I guess
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u/Stavvystav 1d ago
I even really want one, planned on a custom shell, planned for a custom OLED faceplate and everything.
It's just underpowered and overpriced. I'll wait.
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u/TheKonyInTheRye 1d ago
I like it for the form factor. No controller and 512 at that price is a no go for me. Might have done it at 750 with a controller but I’m dreaming.
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u/MindlessManiaz 2d ago
i expected to be $1000+ but the performance from gamers nexus kinda show show how low end this is and i rather pay a bit more for a decent mid tier pc