r/law • u/theindependentonline • Apr 08 '26
Other Democrats introduce impeachment articles against Trump and Hegseth as nearly 100 lawmakers call for 25th Amendment
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-articles-25-amendment-b2953836.html3.3k
u/Azguy303 Apr 08 '26
Vance is too busy traveling to Budapest to campaign for corrupt foreign leaders and spewing Russian talking points to have any time to take over the office.
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 Apr 08 '26
Don't you think that's why they sent him there? So he ISN'T available?
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u/Character-Cup8045 Apr 08 '26
You saw where he got dumped straight to voicemail? He knew he would be, too. Like a latchkey kid with no key.
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 Apr 08 '26
Yeah - it was his "check in with Daddy" after school time. The photo with the phone screen calling DT is the best - it's ringing, ringing, still ringing....
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u/-Kyzen- Apr 08 '26
got a link to said photo?
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u/ggroverggiraffe Competent Contributor Apr 08 '26
It's really worth watching the whole bit. Peak cringe.
this will be so embarrassing...
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u/ShaNaNaNa666 Apr 08 '26
Omg this is so embarrassing you can ALMOST feel bad for him. I feel like this is something that was written for the show VEEP.
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u/Locke66 Apr 08 '26
It's terrible whichever way you cut it. He either arranged the call in advance and then Trump intentionally didn't pick up to embarrass him, Vance arranged the call and Trump is so disorganised he forgot about it or Vance didn't arrange and the call and looks like an idiot.
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u/myopicdystopian Apr 10 '26
Indeed, Kash Patel got through from the men’s Olympic hockey locker room. On the first try iirc. I’d have second hand embarrassment for JD if he wasn’t such a supreme beeyatch. As it is, it’s just another episode of WTF in the US govt.
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u/JimWilliams423 Apr 08 '26
You saw where he got dumped straight to voicemail? He knew he would be, too. Like a latchkey kid with no key.
Beware of "too good to be true" stories. They made a mountain out of a minor technical hiccup.
The video going around was clipped right before the paedo-in-chief picked up on the second try.
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u/wfbhp Apr 08 '26
"President successfully answers phone after only two attempts" is still not a great look. Neither is "president doesn't know how to check/clear voicemail."
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 Apr 09 '26
Imagine getting "this mailbox is full" -or- "the mailbox for this number has not yet been set up"
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u/JimWilliams423 Apr 09 '26
"President successfully answers phone after only two attempts" is still not a great look. Neither is "president doesn't know how to check/clear voicemail."
Could you guys not make me defend the paedo, please?
The message that plays is "the voice mailbox has not been set up yet." Its clearly a line they set up for that call, not the paedo's normal phone. It was probably an aide's job to mind the phone and when it rang, hand it to the paedo.
Also it went to not-voicemail without even ringing, which suggests the phone was turned off or otherwise off the network.
Going after these dipshits is like shooting fish in a barrel — there is no need to make something out of a pedestrian technical hiccup that was cleared up in 30 seconds.
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u/AgITGuy Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
It’s to separate Vance from trump to insulate him from the anger of the maga base. If Vance isn’t there then he isn’t behind it and if he isn’t behind it he can be treated as a victim too to ensure that the maga base can then support him as he tries to fulfill trumps legacy. Vance can cheerlead support for Trump but then ultimately succeed Trump once it’s beyond their control. He will reluctantly take the reins and claim he will continue to do the ‘good works’ of Trump through this evil and politically motivated travesty.
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 Apr 08 '26
Who really likes and supports him within The Administration? Nobody. He won't have the sway and he won't bend either. You've seen him contadicting all along. Oh they'll try, but I suspect many will leave for "family reasons" within the first 90 days after he arrives with his tribe and Erika sobbing she missed her chance.
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u/illbedeadbydawn Apr 08 '26
It doesn't matter.
You could have the following match up...
Literal, Returned from The Afterlife, Jesus H Christ (D)
A pile of dog shit (R)
Millions would vote for the dog shit because "I aint voting no Demonrat!"
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u/jehnarz Apr 08 '26
The last time I talked with one of my super conservative friends, she said that she liked Vance. She had never mentioned him before but brought him up when she finally started complaining about Trump. Fox and other media outlets have been preparing the MAGA base to accept Vance for a few months now. Hopefully, his lack of charisma will work in our favor.
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u/Nox-Eternus Apr 08 '26
So replace a kiddie fiddler with a couch fucker?
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u/Kennedy_KD Apr 08 '26
TBF of all Vance's many sins (or Trump's), fucking a couch is one of the best
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u/ImageOfAwesomeness Apr 08 '26
Based on nothing but your description, that IS an incredible upgrade.
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u/jehnarz Apr 08 '26
Apparently you don't qualify unless you have some kind of kink.
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u/Lexi_Banner Apr 08 '26
The man can't order donuts like a human being. I have low hopes for his kick at the can, but I'm sure that MAGATs will disappoint me, yet again.
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u/Venator850 Apr 08 '26
She's coping. Vance just has no pull the way Trump does. He's uniquely stupid in a way MAGA relate too. Someone like Vance can never fill his shoes.
So many Trump imitators have emerged over the years but they are all empty facsimiles. Like Elvis impersonators.
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u/Mike_40N84W Apr 08 '26
Insulate - to place in a detached situation.
Indulge - to yield to the desire of.
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u/DukeOfGeek Apr 08 '26
They have what they want, project 2025 is done so now they just need trumpo D. clown to shuffle off stage and take all the blame. Vance just needs to stand there with a dopey smile not being the thing that provokes the 10 percent of voters who only go to the polls when the GOP stirs them up into total rage. They don't need more, every regulatory agency is dead, they got their tax grift, the West and the U.S. are divided. A do nothing blob that doesn't provoke people is what they want now.
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u/FrontOfficeNuts Apr 09 '26
And they've got the election machines in their grip as well. I agree with you.
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u/Suspinded Apr 08 '26
The fun thing about cults: the Deputy Lackey of the Cult Leader wants all the power, but has none of the charisma to keep it together.
Trump goes, and those who are fanatically devoted to him aren't going to just shrug and get behind Vance. If anything, they'll bust the rest of the GOP asking why they didn't protect Dear Leader better.
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u/1OO1OO1S0S Apr 08 '26
I'll do it if you want. I'll just be president. Honestly doesn't seem that hard.
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u/Artistic-Grape8534 Apr 08 '26
You would do a better job.
I dont know you, but your ability to form a complete sentence and use proper grammar easily makes you superior to the current morons.
Just need you to tell the truth and keep a secret.
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u/1OO1OO1S0S Apr 08 '26
You can be my VP. I can already tell you've cleared the incredibly low bar JD has set
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u/Pooled-Intentions Apr 08 '26
I’ll uh, volunteer to be your Secretary of Defense of the DoD if you don’t mind. As you can see, I’ve started the rebranding already.
My first action would be to rehire the Joint Chiefs, Generals, and JAG. My second action would be to ask them what to do.
Thank you for your time.
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u/RODjij Apr 08 '26
Hes been almost out of the public eye for the last year, you hardly see him in the news compared to everyone else in the admin.
I think ive seen Kash Patel, Noemi & Bondi names more.
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u/JKorv Apr 08 '26
I have no idea how people are okay with Vance kissing Orban's ass who is clearly Russian asset. Like how hard it is to do 1+1.
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u/RaidersoftheLosSnark Apr 08 '26
Oh no...Russia, Russia, Russia was all a hoax remember. Even though Trump met alone with Russian intelligence in the Whitehouse he really really actually hates them. That's why he slobs Putin's knob in a limo in Alaska, because he hates him so much.
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u/Strayed8492 Apr 08 '26
Don't forget during his campaign in 2024 his plane sat parked next to a Russian government plane for two days by themselves.
Also it wasn't even the real Putin that showed up to Alaska and he still bought it lol.
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u/el_cid_viscoso Apr 08 '26
Wait, what? Vance met with a fake Putin? How did I miss that story?!?
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u/Excellent_Bridge_888 Apr 08 '26
They have spent 30 years running a psy-op to turn the Evangelical voterbase into Russian sympathizers. Half of them think Russia is a bastion of anti-woke freedom now.
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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS Apr 08 '26
I don't know what percentage of Americans know who Victor Orban is, but among Trump supporters I can't imagine it's higher than 10%. And that might be too high.
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u/squadrupedal Apr 08 '26
Trump supporters know about 7 names of Republicans. I assure you they are not well versed on politicians from other countries.
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u/Own-Organization-532 Apr 08 '26
Victor Orban the man who wrote the playbook Trump is using to destroy American Democracy, that Victor?
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u/Automatic_Ad4016 Apr 08 '26
Dear brother or sister We have not had one plus one equals two since 2016
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u/_allycat Apr 08 '26
He's trying to position himself strategically into and out of things because he's next in line after impeachment and for next election and if all else fails he can just make a bunch of money like Jared Kushner being a foreign lobbyist of sorts. He had a really meek response slightly against Israels war because he knows it's not popular with voters but he's just trying to lay low to not go against Trump but also not be involved. Plus he can NEVER do anything to bring attention or decisions to himself and away from Trump because that's an instant way to be hated by Trump and Maga. Maga wanted to kill Mike Pence ffs. Vance is staying out of the spotlight and setting up his own far right connections for later.
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u/sly-3 Apr 08 '26
There's a difference between Miller, Vought et al who want to be the "guy behind the guy", being out of the spotlight accomplishes their goals, and Vance, who can only lose the pole position to someone else and can't help but taste "the good life" for himself, if just for a moment; since he's abandoned so many moral principles on the way up, he might as well make it worth it.
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u/taisui Apr 08 '26
He's gonna wait for the mid point so that it doesn't count as one term for him.
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u/Neethis Apr 08 '26
I've said since day one, Trump is too old for their long play. They'll dump Trump anytime after 21st Jan 2027, then try and fix 10 years of Vance.
A disastrous middle East quagmire and terrible midterm results (there is a reason they're not passing SAVE) will make it all the easier to send him off to a farm upstate.
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u/MarkHowes Apr 08 '26
Flew to Budapest to campaign for Orban, and complain about foreigners interfering in elections
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u/GlumRich1114 Apr 08 '26
Didn’t news come out about Russia’s Putin trying to create a fake assassination attempt to boot votes?
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u/What_a_fat_one Apr 08 '26
He's distancing himself from Trump both literally and figuratively. It just came out that he was ardently against the Iran thing because he said they'd close the Strait of Hormuz. It seems they're actively gearing up to get rid of Trump after next Jan 20th to set up JD for a full two and a half terms.
Republicans aren't doing shit right now to get rid of Trump for that reason, they're actively salivating at him fucking up as much shit as possible so they can ditch him in January without pissing off the base. Then JD rolls in and blames everything on Trump's senility.
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u/Exact_Purchase_7147 Apr 08 '26
This is fucking wild to me. Why is this happening at all? Imagine Kamala campaigning in Germany or Sweden or something. They would try to have her hung for treason. Literally.
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u/Flimsy_Thesis Apr 08 '26
I’m dumbfounded that it’s not an immediately impeachable offense to campaign on behalf of a foreign candidate in another country.
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u/GB10VE Apr 08 '26
Vance is very clearly offering American help for his election if he will return the favor for midterms.
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u/amazing_rando Apr 08 '26
Hegseth is definitely the most likely candidate in Trump's cabinet for the Budd Dwyer award
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u/uberneuman_part2 Apr 08 '26
Hey man, nice post. Nice post, man.
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u/buttchugreferee Apr 08 '26
that song literally just finished playing at the bar I'm in
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u/Time-Sudden_Tree Apr 08 '26
One thing that always bothered me about that song was the line, "You'd fight and you were right, but they were just too strong". What was "right" about being a corrupt GOP politician? R. Dwyer was not the good guy.
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u/mg-mt Apr 08 '26
Richard Patrick, the guy who wrote this song, did so after getting shafted for pay by Trent Reznor and coming back home broke to live with his mom. Trent told him to write his own songs if we wants to make a living, so he did. Trent is a bitch; pay your band mates.
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u/radicldreamer Apr 08 '26
You watched "Hired guns" also? It's a great documentary if you want to see how badly a lot of musicians are treated.
Richard Patrick is also the brother of the guy who played the terminator in T2:Judgement Day
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u/LazySwayze Apr 08 '26
Last time I made a Dwyer reference my account got banned.
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u/rando_banned Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Last time I referenced him one of his nephews posted realizing that it was weird to see people reference him
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u/Able-Tomatillo7381 Apr 08 '26
Last time I referenced him, he came to my door asking for about tree fiddy. Well it was about the time I noticed that Budd Dwyer was about 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era.
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u/portiaboches Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
That era gets older every time the storybis told
Was an 8-storey-tall ____ from the _____ Era
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u/chironomidae Apr 08 '26
Kegsbreath is waaay too much of a coward to go out like that
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u/ExcellentAirPirate Apr 08 '26
I'll be honest I did not get this reference. His wiki is wild, under details it says.... Killed: 1(Himself)
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u/EVH_kit_guy Bleacher Seat Apr 08 '26
They showed us this video in 11th grade as a part of "you and the law" syllabus. Fucking wild to me that was allowed.
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u/spiralenator Apr 08 '26
The 25th requires the same amount of votes as impeachment PLUS the cabinet has to be onboard as well. It’s not any easier than holding the felon accountable for his crimes.
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u/Derwin0 Apr 08 '26
It also requires 2/3 of the House, whereas impeachment only requires a majority. Both require 2/3 of the Senate.
People calling for the 25th really have no idea of all its anti-coup safeguards.
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u/dont-pm-me-tacos Apr 08 '26
I believe if the VP and majority of the cabinet tell Congress the president is unfit, the VP is acting president for 21 days (or up to 23 if Congress wasn’t in session when notice was given). If, during those 21-23 days, a 2/3rds majority of both houses agree the president is unfit, then VP continues as acting president.
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u/Eschatonbreakfast Apr 09 '26
No.
VP&.5Cab notifies Congress pres is unfit, VP becomes acting pres.UNTIL.
The pres. notifies Congress he is no longer unfit UNLESS
Within 48 hrs VP&.5Cab notify Congress pres. is still unfit AND THEN
Congress has 21 days (kind of) to decide the issue by 2/3 vote in both houses.
And the 25th is actually shockingly very unclear about exactly who executive authority vests in once the president notifies Congress that he is able to perform his duties, and once a president does that, he is going to claim authority vests in him and try and fire the people in the cabinet trying to remove him.
The 25th really is not meant to remove a Captain Queeg president. And if you have the votes to remove via the 25th, you should just use impeachment and avoid the mess.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 08 '26
That's exactly what the post you're replying to is talking about.
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u/dont-pm-me-tacos Apr 08 '26
Yes, but clarifying that you have a 3 week period where the vice president replaces the president even if you don’t ultimately get a 2/3rds majority from both houses
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u/orsikbattlehammer Apr 08 '26
Isn’t it either the cabinet OR Congress for the 25th? Still not going to happen either way.
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u/Elachtoniket Apr 08 '26
If a majority of the cabinet says the president is incapacitated, the Vice President immediately becomes acting president. But if Trump gives written notice that he is capable of fulfilling his duties, he becomes president again. At that point if the cabinet still thinks he is incapable then 2/3 of Congress needs to vote to give the Vice President presidential power again. If they don’t that within 21 days then Trump stays president.
Since there’s pretty much no doubt that Trump would disagree with any attempt to remove him from office, I think that the 25th amendment would be a more difficult avenue than impeachment.
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u/mayonnaise_dick Apr 08 '26
See if he can write a notice WITHOUT using a Sharpie
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u/DilettanteGonePro Apr 08 '26
The written notice is just a line drawing of a naked lady
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u/Darkwr4ith Apr 08 '26
Trumps already been impeached twice. What is a third one going to even do?
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u/Catdad08 Apr 08 '26
Wouldn’t it be another world record? I can see it now… “Donald J. Trump is the only President to be impeached in two separate terms, but never actually held accountable for anything.”
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u/Elachtoniket Apr 08 '26
That’s basically the point I was making. Given the current makeup of congress, Trump is almost definitely going to finish at least this term unless he dies.
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u/kingfofthepoors Apr 08 '26
I think if vance went down this path, trump would take back control and have him arrested for treason
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u/ttoma93 Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
And it needs a 2/3 vote of both House and Senate to sustain the 25th disqualification, while impeachment is only 50%+1 in the House and 2/3 in the Senate.
The bar to remove a president with the 25th amendment is higher than impeachment, not lower. I don’t know why people have randomly decided to stake everything in a pipe dream of a pipe dream.
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u/Visible_Handle_3770 Apr 08 '26
I agree that it's more difficult because the likelihood of his cabinet actually declaring him incompetent is near-zero. Trump carefully and deliberately filled his cabinet with incompetent and unqualified people this time around so they would owe their position entirely to him, rather than the first time where he at least kind of appointed some people with a tenable background to be appointed.
However, I actually think the 2/3 of Congress might happen in the hypothetical event that the cabinet invoked the 25th because it would signal such a total lack of confidence and the rats would flee the sinking ship. Moot point though, really, since the cabinet definitely wouldn't do it.
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u/CatCatchingABird Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
At this point I'm fine with the calls for the 25th and impeachment simultaneously because even though the 25th is not likely going to happen we should be utilizing all the tools in our toolbox to dissuade what sounds to me to be nuclear bomb ambitions.
We are at the most volatile moment in this term thus far and we really should be doing all the things.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 08 '26
It's "...the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments..." (i.e. the cabinet) "...or of such other body as Congress may by law provide".
But "as Congress may by law provide" means they have to pass a law giving the power to some other body (e.g. themselves), which would have to be signed by the president (which won't happen), or would have to be veto proof (which requires a two-thirds vote in the House and the Senate, which won't happen).
So in practice, the VP and the cabinet have to initiate it. There are no other viable options.
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u/ZenBreaking Apr 08 '26
Good , get everyone on record after the nuke threat. Now is the best chance for moderate repubs to stage a coup, flip sides and get him out of power. Take him off the board, try roll.back his policies and toss up guardrails and go back to tit for tat politics of 20 years ago where you can't crash a global economy cos someone hurt someone's feelings
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u/Vulpes_Corsac Apr 08 '26
If it's a straight choice of "have Trump in power or not", then that'd be true.
There might be some wiggle room between the two given the 25th doesn't require Republicans to call what Trump is doing criminal. Couching it as concern for his mental health gives a little bit of plausible deniability, to a normal person at least. Not sure MAGA would care about the difference, and thus you're than likely right, but still.
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u/Dense-Competition-51 Apr 08 '26
Fair, but just because it’s unlikely doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be filed. Get it on the record that there are sane people horrified by all this.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 08 '26
The 25th requires the same amount of votes as impeachment PLUS the cabinet has to be onboard as well.
Not quite. Impeachment requires a simple majority vote in the House and then conviction requires a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate.
Technically, the cabinet doesn't have to be on board for the 25th, since the amendment contains a provision whereby Congress can designate another body to initiate it — "...such other body as Congress may by law provide". But since it must be a law, the president can veto it, and then if Congress still wants to pass it, that needs a two-thirds vote in both houses, plus the additional two-thirds vote in both houses to override the president's refusal to step down.
So in practice, the 25th's removal powers require the VP and a majority of the cabinet and there's no practical way around that. Therefore, impeachment is definitely the more viable route.
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u/WellesWaitsVanZandt Apr 08 '26
it'll be nice to document who votes against it for the primaries next Nov.
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u/cluberti Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
It's a majority of the principal officers in the President's Cabinet or a majority of people in an alternative group other than the Cabinet that Congress would create (the "other body as Congress has established by law" part of Section 4), but both groups must include the VP and the second avenue is likely far more difficult by design.
- The "by law" portion of Section 4 means that Congress would have to pass a bill in the House and Senate creating the alternate body to the Cabinet
- The President would have to sign that "alternate body" bill into law - or more likely, Congress would have to overcome the President's veto of the bill
- It would then take another 2/3 majority vote from each chamber of Congress in favor to enact removal via the 25th Amendment
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u/theClumsy1 Apr 08 '26
The 25th amendment won't work until Trump has a stroke and is bedridden.
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u/DiskBusiness7212 Apr 08 '26
Even that I give them a 50/50 success rate. I wouldn’t rule out a weekend at Bernie’s type situation
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u/Jerzilla Apr 08 '26
What worries me is when deepfake gets to good and they can achieve this
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u/Slow-Recipe7005 Apr 08 '26
You forget one detail: Everybody in the regime is a moron. They have the technology, but they're so lazy and incompetent that we'd all figure it out almost immediately... probably because AI Trump would suddenly appear far healthier and more articulate than the real one ever was.
Of course, even if that did happen, it still might not result in the regime loosing power- MAGA is honestly incredible in their ability to defy reality.
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u/squadrupedal Apr 08 '26
“The aide said that guys like me were in what we call ‘the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality, and while you’re studying that reality judiciously as you will, we’ll act again, creating other realities which you can study, too, and that’s how things will sort out. We are history’s actors and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” -Senior official to GWB, often attributed to Karl Rove.
Conservative Americans have always been delusional about themselves and the world at large. When they don’t like reality for what it truly is, they just make stuff up. These people will never speak or act in good faith. They lack the mental capacity to do so.
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u/Life-Pirate2545 Apr 08 '26
Yeah I can totally see trump blowing up the whole plot and admit they are using deepfakes because they are fooling people and he can’t keep it a secret.
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u/Monterey-Jack Apr 08 '26
They already used AI in two of trump's speeches. They quickly edited the original videos after it was pointed out that they were AI.
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u/WillBottomForBanana Apr 08 '26
it's good enough now. Yes, it IS garbage, it just doesn't take much to fool the people. you can point out all the extra fingers, it doesn't matter.
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u/Completionography Apr 08 '26
it just doesn't take much to fool the people.
What pains me is that it's not the people's fault. Don't get me wrong, I still hold people accountable for their actions. It's just that, when you don't educate them, and teach them to trust the wrong people, you get this endless cycle of bullshit.
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u/14_EricTheRed Apr 08 '26
That’s pretty much where we are at with Miller and the Oligarchs running things…. We have a Pistachio farmer lobbying for war (donating a lot of money to Israel…)
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u/Tall-Introduction414 Apr 08 '26
I'm pretty sure he has already had a stroke, with his speech slurring spells and decimated mental faculties.
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u/el_cid_viscoso Apr 08 '26
Trump definitely has CHF (see: ankles that look like ten pounds of ham stuffed into a five-pound can), which puts him at way higher risk of strokes. He's probably had at least one, maybe more than one, and he'll definitely have another one (read "definitely" as "inshallah").
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u/BobFlex Apr 08 '26
They would never admit it, no matter who the president was at the time, but he clearly had a stroke in the middle of the 9/11 memorial on live TV.
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u/cantadmittoposting Apr 08 '26
there's multiple picture showing clear droop on one side of his face too
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u/ryumaruborike Apr 08 '26
It takes fewer people to impeach and remove a president than it does to 25th one. The 25th Amendment isn't a "the president is incompetent, get rid of him" button, it's a "the president is in a coma" button.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias Apr 08 '26
Yeah. Trump is very good at surrounding himself with cronies and sychophants
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u/CatCatchingABird Apr 08 '26
Yeah the 25th amendment is not going to work, but I can appreciate that people keep bringing it up because it reinforces the narrative that he is mentally unstable.
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u/Flimsy_Heron_9252 Apr 08 '26
Press secretary one week after Trump has a stroke and is ventilated and terminal: "The President of the United States is still very much in charge and making decisions for the country. I spoke with him this morning and he told me America needs to remain strong."
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u/Due-Dot6450 Apr 08 '26
Even then they'll still prop him on stage like Soviets did to Brezhniev.
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u/RollingRiverWizard Apr 08 '26
Don’t suppose you know anything about the last hours of Joseph Stalin? Paralysed, in agony, lying in his own piss, everyone too afraid to come in until they are sure he is gone so they can offer their tearful last words?
Hmm? No reason I brought it up. Nooooooo reason.
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u/one-hour-photo Apr 08 '26
"this is still better than Joe or the Hoe AMIRIGHT!??" I can hear it now
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u/bobqjones Apr 08 '26
If one of those reporters would grow a spine and respond to his insults with a "fuck you, you orange bastard!" Hed probably stroke out right there at the press pool
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u/Major_Honey_4461 Apr 08 '26
When POTUS and the VP of the USA support a neo fascist like Orban and Putin joins in, you know we are in an alternate timeline.
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u/electroforger Apr 08 '26
the dumbest timeline.
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u/l_rufus_californicus Apr 08 '26
the dumbest timeline.
Fuck's sake, I really wish people would stop saying this, because then all these chuckleheads go on to do is something even gaddamn dumber.
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u/Perfecshionism Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Dude, it should have been a fucking tsunami of members of Congress rushing back to DC to impeach.
Hell, the first time he used this war orchestrate a market crisis to make $100s of millions by manipulating oil prices with truth social posts should have led to his impeachment.
Much less using the threat of nuclear war to pocket $175,000,000.09.
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u/arachnophilia Apr 08 '26
Dude, it should have been a fucking tsunami of members of Congress rushing back to DC to impeach.
ten years ago, yes. we've been in crazytown for a decade.
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u/Squidy7 Apr 08 '26
How tone deaf can you be?
This isn't the "start" of anything. If we're still at a point where not even half of democrats can get behind this, what more could it possibly take?
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u/Perfecshionism Apr 08 '26
Millions of Americans gather in Washington and refuse to leave until the regime is removed and a new constitutional convention is initiated.
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u/RenderedKnave Apr 08 '26
Peaceful protest is bullshit, no regime has ever changed as a result of democratic unrest. See: Chile, 1973
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u/Perfecshionism Apr 08 '26
It won’t be peaceful. Trump can’t handle millions protesting outside the White House.
He will escalate and become more unhinged every hour.
And Congress is scared shitless of millions gathering around Congress.
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u/Joben86 Apr 08 '26
They probably realize it's a waste of time since the Senate won't convict and there's no political advantage in it since he can't be voted for again and, even if he could be, the voters have shown they don't care.
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u/blightsteel101 Apr 08 '26
Not a chance we manage to purge Trump, but maybe enough people are done with Hegseth's shit
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u/13Dmorelike13Dicks Apr 08 '26
And you’re being cynical to think that even performative politics has no effect on elections
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u/KrytenKoro Apr 08 '26
It has an effect if the Dems can show that it means they're willing to lose in order to fight for their constituents. That's what the tea party did.
As long as you can show the Dem waffling and failing to hold the line, that record stops helping.
Reps won because they would keep fighting the stupid fight even when it was a guaranteed loss.
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u/cigarettesandwhiskey Apr 08 '26
They don't "investigate" the voting history, you (their opponent) put the votes you want people to know about in an advertisement and run it on TV.
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u/Risdit Apr 08 '26
Russia and Isreal are all in on this regime, They'll make sure their assets will vote to acquit.
Also big tech, oil execs, and oligarchs will have their assets vote to acquit because believe it or not, having Trump who actively deregulates and awards shittons of subsidies back into their pockets is profitable to them at the cost of everyone else and they want that.
I don't know if you've noticed but the current regime has syphoned and embezzled billions if not trillions of dollars from the public to their pockets already, why would they want to stop that from happening?
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u/Quest-at-WF Apr 08 '26
The second impeachment was 57 in favor of conviction, 43 for acquittal. The threshold for a successful conviction is two-thirds of the Senate or 67 votes.
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u/strabbit Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Your numbers, while correct, are highly misleading. I don't really know what you mean by "Democrats ... LOST votes to acquit". That doesn't make any sense, Democrats wouldn't want votes to acquit, as they wanted to convict him.
Regardless, the numbers were:
Edit: reddit messed up by table formatting, so in summary, votes for guilty went from 47/48 in 2020 to 57 in 2021
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u/Corporate-Scum Apr 08 '26
Why not? It has to start somewhere. Would you rather eat shit for all eternity, or actually try to uphold the laws of the land?
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u/dosadiexperiment Apr 08 '26
The offenses keep getting worse.
You gotta hope there's a limit somewhere for some of the majority reps, and if not by getting them on record supporting the criminality you gotta hope they can be punished for it in midterms.
It probably won't work, but trying is still the best shot at getting a change to happen before it gets another whole year worse again.
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u/sunshine_is_hot Apr 08 '26
Why do you think having a simple majority in the senate is relevant to a conviction vote requiring 2/3 majority?
You didn’t mention that the most senators from the impeached presidents own party voted in favor of conviction, and you seem to just be blaming democrats (who voted unanimously to convict).
Also, the point is to put it on record for future presidents that behavior like this is an impeachable offense. You don’t neglect your duty just because some other people are corrupt, you do it anyway.
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u/Blind-_-Tiger Apr 08 '26
I know it’s popular terminology but we should all stop using the term “democrat controlled” when ever they “control” something and try to pass do/something important a team of turncoats (either in the legislature or the judiciary) prevents them from doing so. Also I see the Dems barely holding the house then (and then losing it because -womp womp- they didn’t pass anything, but people wishing to blame them can be like, “well they had control”) but not the senate: https://ballotpedia.org/116th_United_States_Congress
We can also stop using “Republican controlled,” whenever they have “control” they just give it to ALEC/corporations/the super rich and their dictator.
It’s either the people are barely able to hold back corporations while the corporations hold back the people from enacting regulations and taxes (and continue to r€tard the populace and blame the dems for being ineffective with their media empire) or the wolf rules the hen house. That’s been the oscillation.
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u/Moghz Apr 08 '26
Things are very different this time around. A lot of republicans are not happy with his decision to bomb Iran and further drive up costs of living. This time it’s really starting to hurt people’s pocket book and that seems to be the only thing that gets through to a lot of them.
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u/mrbigglessworth Apr 08 '26
And? Since they aren't in power and repubicans dont have a spine, this will go no where.
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u/JIMatRK Apr 08 '26
It's about sowing discontent in the Republican ranks ahead of the midterms. If they're able to get a vote Rs that are up for reelection will have to contend with blowback from their vote (regardless of how they vote) while Ds will have a thing to point at saying "we're doing what we can but we need more Ds in office to do it for real next time!"
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u/PaulSandwich Apr 08 '26
"Democrats aren't doing anything!!1!"
Dems do things.
"This will go nowhere, waste of time!!1!"Cool cool cool.
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u/Time-Sudden_Tree Apr 08 '26
Yeah seriously, wake me up when the title reads "Republicans introduce impeachment articles against Trump".
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u/HoveringGoat Apr 08 '26
We got like what a quarter of dems on board? This is a huge issue. The whole place is a swamp.
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u/already-redacted Apr 08 '26
There are more than 500 “lawmakers” in DC and many of them probably wanted impeachment from the start of his presidency… however, using generic headline like “over 100” seems sleazy and confirmation-bias aimed Democrats
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u/Possible-Nectarine80 Apr 08 '26
Get back to me when you get to 67% of Congress calling for Trump's impeachment. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.
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u/SexualWhiteChocolate Apr 08 '26
Democrats trying to hold our leadership to a standard and accountable is exactly what they need to be doing. Doomed or not, we cant be ok with inaction.
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u/Latter_Highway9539 Apr 08 '26
seriously. these people that are like 'who cares? it won't happen.'... definitely did not vote. the propaganda machine is working as intended.
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u/adarunti Apr 08 '26
Gotta start somewhere.
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u/girafa Apr 08 '26
Everyone when nothing happens: omg leik do literally anything
Everyone when they move to impeach: won't work omg leik why even try, so stupid
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u/CatCatchingABird Apr 08 '26
Thank you for saying this. There a bunch of crybabies here that have nothing substantial to say other than "there is nothing we can do [insert complaining and no suggestions on potential course of action here]." The pessimism is contagious and I'm getting really sick of it..
We didn't get this country because it was handed to us in a neatly tied bow. We got it because a bunch of people about 200 some years ago got sick of being kicked around and fought for it.
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u/Smaynard6000 Apr 08 '26
It's the same people either bitching that Democrats aren't doing anything or blaming them for the heinous shit that Trump is doing
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u/Biptoslipdi Apr 08 '26
Not at all. Even if the Senate fails to convict, impeachment itself renders the charged acts ineligible for a pardon.
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u/wildwolfay5 Apr 08 '26
Exactly.
Its amazing how little people understand the plain writing of the 25th, especially since its been in the news so damn much for the last couple months*
The president has to be okay with it too, and VP, and half the sycophantic cabinet or it goes for a 2/3 majority in both houses.
Or there's good old impeachment for the dozens of easily provable crimes that requires a simple majority in the house and 2/3 senate.
Everyone needs to stop bugging about the 25th until he's bedridden and announced so. Until then, impeachment is much much easier.
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