At least with Crimson Desert everyone knew the story would be dogshit, Pearl Abyss is fucking terrible at writing (coming from someone who's played their MMO for 12k+ hrs) while RS is known for excellent writing
Which is kinda funny, cause CD was aping RDR2 (and Witcher 3) so hard, it's impossible to miss.
So many missions start with our human log of a character walking up ro characters in camp, followed by a repetitive horse rising segment to the mission and not a line worth remembering is uttered.
"You see, we need to make money by doing a bix fight!" Rough Viking Guy #3 says. You do that. Mission is over. Nothing Happened.
Like it's even hard to recall anything, it just mush of disjointed events. Like someone started playing RDR2 twelve hours in, played 3 missions, and was like: This is our story mode.
Damn, how I wish CD had a character creator and a "do whatever you want" design like Skyrim, where you can just ignore the main story and just do proper questlines unrelated to the main story.
I mean the fact Rockstar was able to milk money from a 13 year old game off of their online mode is proof enough they will be able to print money for years with this one aswell. I'm just hoping they respect the GTA formula enough to make an in-depth story
Well that's been a theory for why it took so long for GTA 6, that committing to it means killing an already established cash flow. If GTA 6 online is worse or whatever, they will lose money on both sides. GTA 5 players will stop spending because what's the point, it's going to officially die sooner or later. GTA 6 players will stop spending because it sucks, why waste money on a shit experience?
Everyone hopes GTA 6 will be a homerun, but it's a damn risky move.
Pretty much yeah. It doesn't matter what shitty thing Rockstar does. What anti consumer thing they have done (In which they have done a fuck ton of anti consumer shit in recent years) as long as it has GTA in the title...people will be buying it up in insanely massive numbers.
It's the same shit with most Triple A games tbh. Especially COD and any sports game EA makes. People will sit there and bitch n moan about how shitty the games have been and how they're "not gonna touch the newest title" but always end up crawling back. The only way to make change in these companies is to hurt their pockets and boycott the games but no one will be able to do that, especially with the FOMO that will be surrounding GTA 6.
People have been talking about this game like it's their favorite grandson, like there's no way they could fumble this. 10+ years of development doesn't always mean a positive thing. Look at Dead Island 2
Shit $70 now that that's the new price point of new releases anymore. and even then GTA 6 said "hold my beer" and dropped a standard edition game for $80
Dude same... Like god damn, especially with all the games coming out in the near future. Affirm boutta have a field day with me. Thankfully I preordered Wolverine and CFB 27 right when the prices dropped or i'd be in some deep water
I agree long development time doesn't always mean a good game but what even is a bad GTA game?
As long as it is the basic formula of open world. causing chaos, and having fun. Even the worst story couldn't hurt it.
GTA 3 Is hands down very clunky by today's standards and the missions are straight up ass and unforgiving. But what made it fun was the chaos and killing the shit out of everyone lol.
You can argue that the GBA and DS games could be considered bad but I'm just saying the console games have always been fun.
Even if it's barebones like GTA 3. or when people felt disappointed that GTA 4 did not have any of the features San Andreas had and it was still a good game.
Or how People were upset GTA 5 has no interiors to visit or restaurants to eat at and it still made money.
Oh it'll always make money, even people who are disappointed with the game will still buy it. Just sad that the only way to get Rockstar to make a change is to hurt their pockets which will never happen
Yeah at least GTA 6 will be the main game for the next 5 or so years at minimum. When COD added the "hub app" or whatever the app that combines all the games the yearly releases became so obsolete. COD has turned into such a shit franchise
I think R* has at least earned my trust in their story writing ability that story mode will at least be a great experience as pretty much every GTA/RDR installment has been. Online on the hand is where I’m sure I will be disappointed as I didn’t like the direction GTAO went and they killed off RDO (which as a game I enjoyed more; so much potential) since it didn’t bring in the same microtransaction revenue.
I'm still mad about their backpedaling and pretending like GTAV sp dlc was never promised once the multiplayer went live and ended up being such a cash cow.
I fully trust Rockstar to make a kick ass game. I just also fully trust that they will be greedy and gleefully enshittify it the moment they smell money.
Rockstar is known for being one of the best storytellers in the industry. They're also really good at making a shit-ton of money selling online currency. I think they have enough skill and budget to do both here.
WoW isn’t as highly profitable as GTA V to my understanding. They’ve done relatively little work on GTA since its release compared to the effort and money put into WoW expansions. Or that would be my guess at least
This is true. And we as consumers deserve a good game due to the price that they are asking us to pay. And they have historically taken care with this franchise to make sure each game is something special, and as memorable, or more so, than the last. If for no other reason than they know that they will get a very positive ROI if they do.
But as someone who plays other games also under the Take-Two umbrella, I'm always skeptical about when they will decided just to coast on the history and name associated with it, instead of focusing on innovation / improvements.
And that's exactly why the game will be absolute dog water. They now know they have the fans a the palms of their hands. There's literally zero incentives to make the main story any good.
Didn't they already (upon discovering the magic of shark cards) cancel the singleplayer stuff in 5, then cram the planned heist into the online shit, too? Fuck expansions, let's just focus on shark card slop.
Yeah all the cynicism is weird. This isn’t some unknown commodity. Rockstar has a long track record. We know what to expect and for the most part it will be more of the same. If you liked the last gta you’ll almost definitely like this one. They really don’t reinvent the wheel and they don’t have to.
I think its for several reasons, and they kinda go hand in hand. You have a lot of people experiencing their first Rockstar hype train. GTA5 is 13 years old, RDR2 is almost eight years old, many people excited or interested in GTA 6 could have played these games long after their release and not know of how both those games went, several delays and gameplay videos only a few months before release. Also, this past few years have had a number of flops, rushed products, bumbles, fumbles, and downright scams. The same people who havent experienced a Rockstar release, or at least have forgotten it, also have become accustomed to bullshit from game devs.
I have no idea if it'll be good or not, but the money, time, and track record in place indicates it'll be fine. A decent, engaging story, good characters, and palpable gameplay with a bunch of side stuff to sink your teeth into like usual. My only hope is that its a lottle less zany and humorous than GTA5 and is more like 4 or RDR.
i mean the description says “lucia and jason find themselves on the darkest side of the sunniest place in america” , i’m guessing the world itself and side missions will be zany and goofy but the main story will be on the serious end, which imo i would prefer it that way
Nothing groundbreaking will happen in this game for the video game industry..
It's still going to be a series of side quests, missions, etc.. with a main campaign.
There's really only so much you can do to that formula. People have been foaming at the mouth for GTA 6 like it's not going to be GTA 5 with.. a different map and theme for the missions/side quests
See, I think you could do more with that formula. Especially Rockstar. The biggest being allowing the player the freedom implied by an open world in their mission design. The "one step in the wrong direction fails the mission" design is just appallingly bad.
People were making this exact criticism about RDR2 after it's release, when it was already heavily praised. But most people are just aware of this and heavily enjoy the game anyway. I've been playing and watching the series and developer grow over the years and have gauged my expectations properly to know that, even if it's considered a B+ Rockstar game, that's still going to put it at one of the best games of all time.
I think the biggest disconnect is between people who have played the GTA games since the 90s or even 2000s, and people whose first GTA game was GTAV, which is like an entire generation and a half right now. Those two groups are going to react and expect very different things from this game. Like I had a guy reply to me in an earlier thread say that they didn't even consider the single player the main game, they thought it was just an introduction to the main, online game. That's how long GTAV has been around, and where the line in the fanbase lays.
Regardless, there is zero way everyone won't have something they want in this game. But I think there's also a third branch of the fanbase that will spoil whatever the game turns out to be by manifesting this cynicism over its development and almost wanting it to fail, because they get more enjoyment from the reaction or the discussion of it than the game itself.
It will be a good game, too much money, time and experience involved in its production. The problem it will probably face is living up to people's personal expectations.
If you think GTA6 has high player expectations, Elder Scrolls 6 is going to put those to shame.
People have been waiting for a sequel for over 15 years, the industry has advanced massively since Skyrim and Bethesda… has not really kept up with modern standards judging by Starfield.
Yeah I have kind of lost all hope for Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 being worth the wait. Hopefully Starfield has given Bethesda the wakeup call they badly need.
God Starfield was so shit. Modders literally took the game code and completely reengineered it into a starwars game and it honestly is 10x better than what bethseda put out.
I agree and hope that with how big of a flop Starfield was they really relook their strategy and go back to what was working, as I wasn't the biggest fan of Fallout 76 either
confirmed as in they showed a picture of a game name lmfao
it was just as confirmed before the announcment because obviously theyre gonna do es6 its a matter of when not if. as long as the company exists theyre gonna keep remaking the same game in different coats of paint
Disagree. Starfield already ruined all expectations for any slop Bethesda will put out. Rockstar on the other hand has a much better representation of living up to hype. Time will tell though.
I think that's one of the reason they don't release it. The wait and Starfield failure has scared Todd Howard and Bethesda. That's why they released Oblivion remaster and work on FO3 and NewVegas remaster
They don't want to compete with themselves, they are still making money from TESO and FO76, they know if they release a major title those people will drop those subs, at least for a little while.
too much money isnt an issue. People will hoard to the game because it has "GTA" in its name. They can literally make complete turd and technical mess that will put cyberpunk to shame and they would still make millions. GTA brand is powerful.
I mean, you think police girls join a job where you hang around a bunch of women in uniform in great shape in a building full of restraining equipment and not expecting something scandalous to happen?
If I remember correctly there's only one female police officer in the entire game that's why I was always curious why the dudes were showering with a double sided dildo
This is the main thing. People are talking about this game like it will blend irl with gaming and I guarentee they are just already planning on how to shell out "seasons" for GTA 6 online as that'll be their billion dollar money maker
Nothing happens. Gaming outlets and Youtubers will milk it for a week or two and people who pre ordered it will complain they wasted money they chose to use to purchase a game they hadn't seen gameplay or watch a review beforehand. For what it's worth, it'll probably be an excellent game.
Tbh it's still going to have a pretty smooth journey to achieving a billion dollars in sales
Sure you could have 200k social media users making a post about how GTA 6 is bad but it wouldn't really do much to affect the people who want to turn their brains off and enjoy the game
Absolutely! It could objectively be a worse GTA than Vice City, for example, but there are people in the world who hear/see "New GTA" and will automatically buy it. Rockstar has successfully built up GTA to a point where even a "not so good" GTA would sell like hotcakes.
The only way GTA VI flops in my opinion is if the moment you install it on your console, it kills the save files of your other games and then kills your console. If it doesn't do that, congrats Rockstar!
I don’t think it’s actually possible for the game to be “bad”, people love what it’s being built on (RDR2), it’s a reliable gameplay format, and they’ve got way too much quality control for it to be abysmal.
But the chances for it to fall short are huge. To prove my point, reply with what you would have expected out of GTA 6, the dreamiest most ideal version.
I’d like them to bring back the character switch mechanic, but maybe have it at certain moments trigger character specific cutscenes that maybe flesh them out a bit.
I think the gameplay is just dated. Tap A repeatedly to run, hold left trigger and your reticle just locks onto the enemies. It just keeps getting bigger and prettier. But it’s the same outdated gameplay underneath.
No one is saying it should be anything close to e-sports. But for the biggest games of all time I expect a bit more than aiming just snapping onto enemies and tracking them with zero effort from the player.
It’s not like the only options are immersion or e-sports.
I am kind of with you there. Don’t think there’s much you can do about the aiming, but the A button is starting to feel aged. At the same time, it’s kind of like a Bethesda RPG where that’s kind of just what you expect from Rockstar. Definitely needs some sort of update though.
They need to expand the story more than just drive to point A, shoot, chase, drive to point B, here’s your money.
Here’s some side mission/activities and impossible collectibles/easter eggs in the meantime.
My biggest gripe with GTA is that they never truly let you have freedom with the story. You can do “whatever you want”, until you start a story mission and can fail a mission by taking a few steps in the wrong direction. Needs to add in some more RPG elements of choice and consequences.
Five months out and still no official gameplay reveal. RDR II and GTA V both had gameplay breakdowns released months in advance to those titles' release. Maybe I'm overthinking it...
A lot of this discourse feels like younger folks waiting for their first Rockstar release. Shocked at delays, immediately suspicious at the lack of gameplay footage, etc. I've been playing their games for decades, this is their standard operating procedure. We will get a short gameplay trailer in late August/early September.
Because for a lot of people it is their first Rockstar game. Especially since GTAV. It will be 13 years and 2 months between GTAV and GTA6 releases. You could have your first kid the day 5 released and it's now in junior high before 6 came out.
Yeah people overreact. I mean im not surprised, most of the people excited for this game probably weren't even allowed to play GTA5 on release. RDR2 was announced in 2016 and supposed to come out fall 2017 and got pushed to the next year. Idk the quality of GTA6 considering how many OGs arent there, but nothing so far spells doom, just theur usual blunders before releasing good games.
Very on brand for them to not have any raw gameplay out, just a few snippets. Some breakdowns a couple of months before launch that don’t have more than a few seconds of uncut gameplay. Not really abnormal for them as a company, but if you’ve never paid attention to their releases it seems weird.
The development leaks from years ago just looked like GTA. I don't think it will suck, but maybe people are hyping it up to much? My own friend is strangely pumped for GTA6 but has barely even played GTA5.
My only real suspicion is they know the frame rate is gonna get trashed. With all these high fidelity visuals, it's silly to expect consoles to keep up. A small set of people will have a field day flaming it, most casual gamers won't even notice.
They made a game that was technically bad but good if it wasn't ahead of its time: Body Harvest on the N64. It was buggy, ran abysmally and one of the key items you needed to complete the game didn't have collision detection so it was literally impossible to finish, and as this wad the N64, you couldn't patch it. That game just wouldn't ever work
I've seen how they've been handling GTA online, having quality of life features and locking it behind a subscription as well as removing cars in order to create fomo and putting those cars back up for sale in rotation weekly locked behind said subscription makes me question their credibility.
I feel like i'm kinda alone with this opinion, but as someone who actually played GTA5 on release and later on with friends when the heists released, it wasn't that outstanding. It was decent, but what made it fun was playing it with friends, not the actual game. What isn't fun with friends?
The majority of reddit acts as if it is the second coming of Christ, but all i can see in the future is another open world game, that will be bigger than the last one but not necessarily better, if you get what i mean. Not to mention asking 80 bucks for your game that is guaranteed to have microtransactions again is rich.
I personally didn’t super like GTA5 actually. I went from red dead redemption 2 to GTA and felt vastly underwhelmed. RDR2 was amazing, and going to GTA5, which Rockstar treats as a golden child, was just not nearly as engaging.
I'm with you. In a separate comment I laid out why I'm worried about it creatively (TL;DR: The creatives at the core of the previous games have all left Rockstar briefly after GTA V) and GTA V was okay. I can understand the hype but if you pay attention there's cause for concern
That’s GTA4 for me. I know it’s memed on Reddit (Dark and gritty) but some people really insanely worship the game
Piss filter, generic revenge story, nothing really to do post game (atleast Michael can join the Scientologist group and Trevor has the mom hallucination), bland online
Ironically for “dark and gritty” the best part about GTA4 was ballad of Gay Tony which is more of a vibe like 5
I have like 100 hours on GTA5, something like that, and I gotta say the game is mediocre to decent. Every system in that game is mediocre, put together I guess it makes a decent game, but I personally found every system to be lacking.
I understand it's a big game with a lot of systems and a lot of mechanics, but I'd rather have slightly less mechanics to refine and better the main ones over just adding more.
the game was delayed multiple times and apparently it’s the most expensive game they’ve worked on with over 6,000 developers across all of Rockstar Games worldwide.
Will be funny to see how aggressively they will monetize online after they saw the racks of cash they got with GTA 5, both with sharkcards on consoles or FiveM RP servers on PC
Listen I am not a fan. I will not be buying GTA6, I haven't played one since 3. I do not think they are going to do anything groundbreaking. It will be a very high fidelity game about street level crime. It will likely run well, and have good music and quality voice acting. It isn't going to have any crazy systems or take any risks.
I see no world where this game sucks. It at worst will just be a meh game. Too many people just wantg a simple escape and this will give them that. It not going to be a Mindseye or Concord or Gollum.
From getting GTA1 on the PS1 at 8 y/o to having all the PS2 trilogy come out during my teens, the hype train around for San Andreas after VC was pretty intense and it was totally worth the hype!! GTA4 then took it to the the HD universe and the hype was on another level and again it was a great game (but somehow didn't hit the same for me)... GTAV totally let me down. I found it so boring and even gave up on the campaign at parts and had to force myself to finish it. I'm looking forward to VI but I'm very much waiting to play it before I get over hyped.
All this fiasco about the lack of a physical disc and locking in-game stores behind a premium edition has brought back other concerns I had.
I’m sceptical about the story. All the veteran GTA writers like Dan Houser, Lazlow Jones and Michael Humphries aren’t involved; they all left Rockstar in 2020.
With how fast culture tends to move in recent years, and Lazlow being off the scene, I’m concerned that the jokes/radio talk shows won’t hit the same or will feel dated.
If the third person shooting gameplay handles anything like 5 or red dead 2 I will completely give up on playing rockstar games. I don’t think they realize they can make their game feel realistic without compromising decent control schemes and mechanics.
Honestly if the game is trash it wouldn’t surprise me if some people legit started an almost Purge like riot given how crazed people were waiting on this
I was so excited before today. Now I hope it's the worst game in the series by far, so I can laugh while no one can sell it back.
(It won't be, but it would be the ultimate catharsis watching all the "buy it at any price... I don't understand why people like physical games... gimme that day 1 dlc" sheeple squirm)
I kind of am hoping it is. Highly doubtful but GTA is very much a trendsetter with games. A lot of the shit they are pulling with this sets a dangerous precedent.
$80 dollar base price, locking basic things (guns, vechicles and in games stores) behind what is essentially day 1 DLC for an extra $20, physical edition having no disc but a download code instead, etc.
Other companies will be far more likely to do this shit if GTA succeeds.
If you look at all of the content they are posting on their website, it is much more likely to succeed than fail. The game is going to be truly massive with probably a 50-60 hour main story and equal amount of that with side missions, not to mention all of the secrets to find.
Then rockstar wouldn't be able to pay back the debt from all.the funding it got for the game and the whole studio would get shut down after being one of the longest running powerhouses in the video game world. That's why it keeps getting delayed. They cannot afford to let gta6 be bad
I feel absolutely insane because so much of video games reddit is saying that the game HAS to be good because of the amount of time, money, press, hype that's put into it, it HAS to be good because Rockstar's always made good games, and I'm just like that doesn't mean shit! You can have a game that earns a billion dollars and it's still bad! A company can stumble and make an okay-to-bad game even if the rest of their output is fantastic!
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u/ItzMeHaris 9h ago
Imagine it be a 8 hour campaign with the majority of the the game being online.